Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?

[Mamoon]

impact? India lost to SA. What impact are you talking about

Do you blame him for that loss? If you do, then you should have no problem admitting that Misbah was a match-loser and had no impact considering the fact that he scored countless half-centuries in losing causes.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

impact? India lost to SA. What impact are you talking about

He will not lose as many matches as your favourite cricketer though

 

[Major]

Do you blame him for that loss? If you do, then you should have no problem admitting that Misbah was a match-loser and had no impact considering the fact that he scored countless half-centuries in losing causes.

Regarding Misbah, he might be, I dont know. He is irrelevant here as this thread isn't about him is it?

The posters called Surya an impact player, the impact didnt result in a loss, unless we focus on minnows like Netherlands.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Do you blame him for that loss? If you do, then you should have no problem admitting that Misbah was a match-loser and had no impact considering the fact that he scored countless half-centuries in losing causes.

Misbah World T20 2007 final loser, Mohali loser, 2013 CT vs WI loser, lost a test match in Zimbabwe by failing to chase, lost again vs India in 2015 CWC.

Has there even been a serial loser like Misbah in white ball cricket?

 

[Mamoon]

Regarding Misbah, he might be, I dont know. He is irrelevant here as this thread isn't about him is it?

The posters called Surya an impact player, the impact didnt result in a loss, unless we focus on minnows like Netherlands.

You can’t judge one player’s performance based on the team result. SKY was the reason India was able to take South Africa to the last over. You can play a great innings in a losing cause and a poor innings in a winning cause.

Thread isn’t about Misbah but we should have consistency in our logic and how we apply it.

SKY is fantastic, the best middle-order batsman in the format these days.

 

[Mamoon]

Misbah World T20 2007 final loser, Mohali loser, 2013 CT vs WI loser, lost a test match in Zimbabwe by failing to chase, lost again vs India in 2015 CWC.

Has there even been a serial loser like Misbah in white ball cricket?

I won’t call him a serial loser. He was a good player with limitations and he saved Pakistan many times. However, if Major wants to be consistent with his logic and the application of his logic then he should have no problem stating that Misbah was a massive serial loser.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I won’t call him a serial loser. He was a good player with limitations and he saved Pakistan many times. However, if Major wants to be consistent with his logic and the application of his logic then he should have no problem stating that Misbah was a massive serial loser.

I'm going by the criteria he has set himself. Going by that I can't think of a single player who has lost as much as Misbah.

And came back and started losing as coach as well .

 

[topspin]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

You're a good poster when you think outside the lens of Misbah. It's just unfortunate that your judgement is clouded by his cricketing vision.

If you're going to call out SKY for being overrated and belittle his innings because it was in a "losing cause" then at the very least you should be consistent.

You should have no problem admitting that Misbah was a serial bottler with bat and as captain.

 

[Smbhayi]

Filters applied :-

1. It should be a World Cup match.
2. It should be against test playing nations.
3. It should be against one of the top 6 teams.
4. It should be in a winning cause.

Next filter would be :-

5. It should be a World Cup knockout

All these five filters should be applied and then if he succeeds, he is not overrated/overhyped.

You missed one..
6. It should be against Pakistan in a ___ (the circumstances keep changing everytime he does that)....

 

[Mp812]

Even if SkY does play the match winning innings in next 4 consecutive games in this T20 worldcup, he will be overrated/overhyped player because he did not play it in UAE conditions or when when Mitchell Johnson and Steyn were not retired.

 

[MenInG]

Former India coach Ravi Shastri believes the remarkable rise of Suryakumar Yadav to become the No.1 T20I batter ranking is just the tip of the iceberg and the dashing right-hander can thrive in all three formats of the game.

Yadav capped off an incredible recent run on Wednesday when he overtook Pakistan opener Mohammad Rizwan to become just the second India player to hold the top T20I batter ranking.

What makes Yadav's feat so amazing is that he didn't play a T20I for India until March last year and has quickly amassed one century and 11 half centuries from 37 appearances for his country in the shortest format.

Yadav has also played 13 ODI matches for India - with mixed success - and Shastri thinks it's only a matter of time before the 32-year-old gets the chance to show his wares in Test cricket.

"He can play all three formats of the game and the reason I say that is that he is different," Shastri said in Adelaide ahead of India's clash against Bangladesh at the ICC T20 World Cup.

SKY’s top five T20I innings – The new World No.1’s best knocks for India
"You don’t get too many players who can hit spots the way he does.

"He hits it into unusual areas he gets into unusual positions and it is literally a challenge to the bowler as to where he can bowl.

"His great ability is to read what length the bowler is bowling, he anticipates early and he backs himself and very few players go out with that kind of mindset."

Yadav's rise to the top ranking comes on the back of an outstanding start to the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup, where the aggressive right-hander has hit consecutive half centuries against the Netherlands and South Africa.

Shastri was impressed with the way Yadav adapted to the conditions India faced against South Africa in Perth and was full of praise with the way he nullified the Proteas' powerful fast-bowling attack.

"He is lighting up this World Cup and he is playing shots which 10 years ago no one would have imagined," Shastri noted.

"The way he used that pace and bounce in Perth. He sussed the conditions, and it suited his game and I think his eyes will light up every time he goes to play in Australia as there is pace, there is bounce, and he likes to use the pace and bounce."

And while the likes of former skipper Virat Kohli and current captain Rohit Sharma remain two of India's biggest names, Shastri thinks it won't be long before Yadav joins them.

"There will be a lot of youngsters wanting to emulate him," Shastri said.

"Just watching the way he moves and the areas he tries to hit...he is a proper 360 degree player.

"He is someone who can puncture any part of the ground."

ICC

 

[WengerOut]

Ravi as usual going over the top

 

[Rana]

ICC rankings updated?

 

[Major]

Aand the overated surya could only score 30 that too with 2 to 3 chances missm couldnt even score a 50 against bangla bowlers

 

[cricketjoshila]

Aand the overated surya could only score 30 that too with 2 to 3 chances missm couldnt even score a 50 against bangla bowlers

SR was nearly 190, he did his job.

 

[Rana]

SR was nearly 190, he did his job.

Bhai 30 of 15 is not on ATG/Bradmanesque level of Rizwan 50 off 45!

Samjha karo

 

[GreenBee]

This guy is 32, not chasing any legacy, just playing selfless Cricket for the team. Love it.

 

[shamaan]

He can play both sides of the wicket and plays for the team top player.

 

[charlie007]

Aand the overated surya could only score 30 that too with 2 to 3 chances missm couldnt even score a 50 against bangla bowlers

That is still 4 times more than Babar scored in 3 matches combined and at 400% greater strike rate.

 

[Major]

That is still 4 times more than Babar scored in 3 matches combined and at 400% greater strike rate. Now go back to that corner again and cry

ok so you are competing with Babar, thats good to know.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

excellent thread, good going. let's see where else this leads.

 

[Zerotohero]

Even if SkY does play the match winning innings in next 4 consecutive games in this T20 worldcup, he will be overrated/overhyped player because he did not play it in UAE conditions or when when Mitchell Johnson and Steyn were not retired.

He will always be over rated as per some people until he does it against Andy Roberts MC grath Joel Garner Wasim Akram and Shaun pollock

 

[charlie007]

ok so you are competing with Babar, thats good to know.

There’s no comparison there, mate. Babar is a class act, but you can’t compare him with SKY in the T20 format where he’s in this kind of form. I mean, really.

 

[Mamoon]

What a special, special player. Wow.

 

[jnaveen1980]

There’s no comparison there, mate. Babar is a class act, but you can’t compare him with SKY in the T20 format where he’s in this kind of form. I mean, really.

Major has a Major nationalism lol So he is not going to give any quarter. Appreciating an opposition player is a sin in his book lol A thread will pop up somewhere telling "He couldn't hit 3rd ball of 4th over for six so I don't rate him" It is futile to debate.

 

[IAJ]

Excellent player, peaked too ealy, due a bad innings soon

 

[jnaveen1980]

Excellent player, peaked too ealy, due a bad innings soon

He himself is aware of that. He has told 7 out of 10 innings. This is where other guys have to step up. Kohli did his bit in a crunch game. Rohit is yet to prove his worth in any of the match. Even against Netherlands he was dropped before he got to a 50. The day SKY goes early India will have their job cut out.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Excellent player, peaked too ealy, due a bad innings soon

Hope he already had one against Pakistan in the 1st game. But, considering his style of cricket he is bound to fail in 2 of 10 matches.

 

[the Great Khan]

Looks a good player but the hype is a bit over the top..

 

[Advaith]

Looks a good player but the hype is a bit over the top..

It looks like he is a cat among pigeons whenever he comes to bat ..He will take a lot of space in opposition bowling plan..That's where player attains greatness..

 

[jnaveen1980]

Looks a good player but the hype is a bit over the top..

.
What hype

He has scored 1026 runs in 2022 at a strike rate of 186.54 and average of 44.60
He has hit 59 sixes in 28 innings

Most Runs
Most sixes
Best strike rate

All these things he did mostly as a no.4 batsman

His next competition is Rizwan

924 runs 46.20 avge 122.70 Strike rate 21 sixes

 

[IccKnockout]

Looks a good player but the hype is a bit over the top..

Show me a player who can avg 40 all the while striking at 180.
I will wait.

 

[the Great Khan]

Show me a player who can avg 40 all the while striking at 180.
I will wait.

Didn't say he didn't gave a good record. But some of the hype is way way over..I don't remeber this sort of hype for rizwan. But I get it. He's Indian so you automatically have a big social media and hype machine ready..

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Rightly hyped up. There was a time Ishan Kishan was grabbing all the headlines rather than SKY. He wasn't this good last year. A lot of improvement on his part. Makes batting look very easy.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I don't remeber this sort of hype for rizwan. But I get it. He's Indian so you automatically have a big social media and hype machine ready..

Rizwan scored at a strike rate of 180?

 

[ex-q-zit]

Didn't say he didn't gave a good record. But some of the hype is way way over..I don't remeber this sort of hype for rizwan. But I get it. He's Indian so you automatically have a big social media and hype machine ready..

Has Rizwan ever scored even 1 innings of 26 ball 60? Especially when he comes to bat in PP. Forget against top teams has he done this with teams like Zim, Ned, HongKong etc? Can Rizwan hit a scoop for 6? There is just no comparison between the 2. Rizwan cant play in offside leave alone 360 degree.

 

[Savak]

Thank goodness this guy has never fired against us. On song all our bowlers will be clueless on how to bowl to him with his unpredictable 360 degree stroke play.

 

[Savak]

India should play this guy in the ODI format as well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India should play this guy in the ODI format as well.

He will. Right now his high risk game suits T20s. In ODIs you have to build methodically. Right now Shreyas Iyer is the master of it. Which bowler to see off which bowler to target. In ODI lot more common sense is needed. But eventually india will find a place for him in ODI. For ODIs competition is very stiff.

 

[ex-q-zit]

He will. Right now his high risk game suits T20s. In ODIs you have to build methodically. Right now Shreyas Iyer is the master of it. Which bowler to see off which bowler to target. In ODI lot more common sense is needed. But eventually india will find a place for him in ODI. For ODIs competition is very stiff.

He is not bad in ODIs so far having scored 340 at a s/r of 98 with an avg in 30s

 

[rhony]

Didn't say he didn't gave a good record. But some of the hype is way way over..I don't remeber this sort of hype for rizwan. But I get it. He's Indian so you automatically have a big social media and hype machine ready..

People see Rizwan's off side play and they don't want to talk about him. It's almost embarrassing for an opener to be a leg side hack. Riz can't put bat to ball if the ball is sliding across him. Even his leg side hacks are tough with the ball bouncing a bit more in AUS.

I never rated SKY until I saw the game vs SA in Perth. The bowlers were steaming in and he was toying around with 360 play. Just incredible to watch him pulling short balls in front of the wicket on that Perth pitch.

 

[IccKnockout]

Didn't say he didn't gave a good record. But some of the hype is way way over..I don't remeber this sort of hype for rizwan. But I get it. He's Indian so you automatically have a big social media and hype machine ready..

How is he comparable to Rizwan?
It's chalk and cheese.
SKY is the ultimate T20 player.
Rizwan is a stat padder. Maybe you can compare Rizwan to Manish Pandey. Pandey avgs 44 with a SR of 126 after 39 games.
If he opens every game like Rizwan he will also avg 50+

SKY is a different beast and the best t20 batter in the world.

 

[Saj]

Suryakumar Yadav at the T20 World Cup 2022:

61* off 25
30 off 16
68 off 40
51* off 25
15 off 10

215 runs
75.00 average
193.96 strike-rate

Incredible numbers.

 

[the Great Khan]

How is he comparable to Rizwan?
It's chalk and cheese.
SKY is the ultimate T20 player.
Rizwan is a stat padder. Maybe you can compare Rizwan to Manish Pandey. Pandey avgs 44 with a SR of 126 after 39 games.
If he opens every game like Rizwan he will also avg 50+

SKY is a different beast and the best t20 batter in the world.

I've been watching cricket for 40 years. And every few years we hear of an Indian player who is the second coming or the chosen one. Yes theybger crazy numbers. They do crazy batsman stuff. We hear little 15 Yr old Indian fans coming onto forums like this and putting up posts like the above. Denigrating Pakistanis or Pakistanis players..you puff your tiny chests out and shout scream create posters of your new gods..

Good for you. Hype him all you want. But as of now. At this moment he has great numbers buts that's it. Good player but he's not the chosen one. He is human like everyone else and teams will combat him.so in summary yes the numbers are amazing..Great to watch but the hype is way too over..I prefer some humility frankly..but that's too much to expect from Indians these days.

 

[ex-q-zit]

I've been watching cricket for 40 years. And every few years we hear of an Indian player who is the second coming or the chosen one. Yes theybger crazy numbers. They do crazy batsman stuff. We hear little 15 Yr old Indian fans coming onto forums like this and putting up posts like the above. Denigrating Pakistanis or Pakistanis players..you puff your tiny chests out and shout scream create posters of your new gods..

Good for you. Hype him all you want. But as of now. At this moment he has great numbers buts that's it. Good player but he's not the chosen one. He is human like everyone else and teams will combat him.so in summary yes the numbers are amazing..Great to watch but the hype is way too over..I prefer some humility frankly..but that's too much to expect from Indians these days.

I've also been watching cricket for 40 years. I have watched Gavaskar in his twight years, 16 year old Sachin debut in Pakistan. MS Dhoni take India to 3 WC victories and then Sachin pass the baton on to Kohli.

The reason fans not just in India but also in Pakistan (yes Pakistan, look at the umpteen public reaction videos where Pak public are also praising SKY) is because of his unique is average coupled with his phenomenal s/r. We have players like Kohli and Rizwan who avg over 50 with a s/r of 120s or 130s. then we have players like Shahid Afridi and Glen Maxwell who strike at 150 but avg 17 and 28 respectively. I remember clearly Afridi getting the world record of fastest 100. Was he overhyped at that time. No because he went on to deliver several such stunning performances though he lost confidence at the fag end of huis career and went to lower middle order. I am a RCB supporter (as i am from Bengaluru) and just adore ABD. But even ABD has a avg of 26 with s/r of 135. SKY numbers just cant be true.

What separates SKY from the rest is he strikes at 180 with an avg of 40+ scoring a 50+ knock once in every 3 matches. In this World Cup he is averaging 75 with a s/r of 190+. Any team would take a player if he can average 75 or strike at 190 and here we have a player who can do both. SKy doesn't play safe shots like Rizwan or Babar nor does he take time before going full throttle like Kohli. He is able to hit the ball from ball 1. In fact he started of his international t20 career with a 6 of Joffra Archer.

SKY is nowhere near Kohli or Babar as far a orthodox technique is concerned. But he plays insane shots that other curent players would not even consider playing. Even Wasim Akram in the Pavillion today said SKY is from another planet.

 

[Mamoon]

SKY plays like he is in a hurry. As if he is running out of time.

Maybe it is true - he is running out of time. He is 32 and in a country like India, it will not be long before someone takes his place.

I am as old as he is, and if you ask me, the last 10 years have flown by faster than a SKY innings. It is only yesterday that I was 22, and maybe it is the same for SKY.

2 years earlier, when he became 30, he probably felt he will never get a chance to wear the blue shirt. India has more cricketers than any other country, and a batting culture that produced technically astute, hungry run machines on a conveyor belt.

Yet amidst all of this, he finds himself on top of the T20 world and under a spotlight that he has never been in his life before.

He will not make or break any records, he will not score 10,000 runs, he will not become a captain, he does not have to worry about major endorsements and sponsorships.

He is purely living in the moment and having the time of his life before the dream ends for him.

He is not just fascinating because of his taking T20 batting to a whole new level but also because of what he represents and because of the circumstances that have shaped him.

Although history books will not remember him, he is probably already inspiring young Indian kids to become the next SKY.

 

[RexRex]

It is rare to see a player blossom and get his chance after the age of 30, the only other player I can remember is Mike Hussey. He should have got his chance four years ago when he was racking up cameo after cameo at the IPL with MI.

 

[JaDed]

It is rare to see a player blossom and get his chance after the age of 30, the only other player I can remember is Mike Hussey. He should have got his chance four years ago when he was racking up cameo after cameo at the IPL with MI.

Hayden as well at 29-30.. from 2001 scoring 1k runs every damn year.
Aus has such examples..

 

[charlie007]

I've been watching cricket for 40 years. And every few years we hear of an Indian player who is the second coming or the chosen one. Yes theybger crazy numbers. They do crazy batsman stuff. We hear little 15 Yr old Indian fans coming onto forums like this and putting up posts like the above. Denigrating Pakistanis or Pakistanis players..you puff your tiny chests out and shout scream create posters of your new gods..

Good for you. Hype him all you want. But as of now. At this moment he has great numbers buts that's it. Good player but he's not the chosen one. He is human like everyone else and teams will combat him.so in summary yes the numbers are amazing..Great to watch but the hype is way too over..I prefer some humility frankly..but that's too much to expect from Indians these days.

I hear you. Isn’t it the same everywhere though? Pakistan including. Have you not seen threads touting Naseem to be the second coming of Waqar, then Shaheen as the next Amir, then Rauf as the saviour of Pakistani fast bowling tradition once Naseem faded away in Australia Tests. Then raising them back again from the dead the next time they took 2 wickets.
Have you not seen Rizwan - a performing, yet highly limited batsman in terms of scoring options and technique in my opinion - being put on a pedestal as the next coming of Miandad? I know you got offended as someone called Rizwan out, but you’d see several similar posts denigrating Indian players.
That’s how fans are. But as experienced, appreciative, and unbiased fans of cricket, I’m hoping people like yourself with 40 years of watching cricket can rise up the nationalistic jingoism and see talent at a higher level regardless of nationality. Yes, a “common” fan, especially one from India or Pakistan will perhaps try to underplay the opposing team’s performing player - we see that everyday here. But ask yourself if you’re that common fan who only appreciates any performance in his favorite colored jersey or a connoisseur who appreciates exceptional talent and extraordinary performance coming from anywhere in the world?
As far as performance in a brief period goes, just enjoy what you see! Why worry about if it’s temporary or continuing? Or argue against 15 year olds! Definition of greatness changes on a daily basis on a cricket forum, they’ll all be judged on their arguable greatness after they hang their boots!
Cheers!

PS: Isn’t it good to see a tiny chest puffed up after seeing a performance from their team’s player - regardless of whether that chest is under a green or blue jersey.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is a high impact player. Let us say 60 balls from SKy vs 60 balls from Rizwan or babar which one you will choose?

 

[GreenBee]

SKY plays like he is in a hurry. As if he is running out of time.

Maybe it is true - he is running out of time. He is 32 and in a country like India, it will not be long before someone takes his place.

I am as old as he is, and if you ask me, the last 10 years have flown by faster than a SKY innings. It is only yesterday that I was 22, and maybe it is the same for SKY.

2 years earlier, when he became 30, he probably felt he will never get a chance to wear the blue shirt. India has more cricketers than any other country, and a batting culture that produced technically astute, hungry run machines on a conveyor belt.

Yet amidst all of this, he finds himself on top of the T20 world and under a spotlight that he has never been in his life before.

He will not make or break any records, he will not score 10,000 runs, he will not become a captain, he does not have to worry about major endorsements and sponsorships.

He is purely living in the moment and having the time of his life before the dream ends for him.

He is not just fascinating because of his taking T20 batting to a whole new level but also because of what he represents and because of the circumstances that have shaped him.

Although history books will not remember him, he is probably already inspiring young Indian kids to become the next SKY.

Beautifully written. It's a good thing because this guy won't be chasing records and numbers. Only legacy he can leave behind is leaving an impact in matches he plays, and that's awesome.

 

[rhony]

Suryakumar Yadav at the T20 World Cup 2022:

61* off 25
30 off 16
68 off 40
51* off 25
15 off 10

215 runs
75.00 average
193.96 strike-rate

Incredible numbers.

That 68 off 40 against SA in Perth was outstanding. Too bad India lost a close game because of fielding. He not only scores where others failed, he actually dominated the bowlers. Exhilarating stuff

 

[giri26]

He is a high impact player. Let us say 60 balls from SKy vs 60 balls from Rizwan or babar which one you will choose?

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Has Surya played 60 balls in any of the games in his career? . His 117 was of 55 balls.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Has Surya played 60 balls in any of the games in his career? . His 117 was of 55 balls.

Good point. yes. If he stays that long that will be utter destruction. India misses a guy like peak Yuvi/Raina in the backend to complement SKY.

 

[DRsohail]

He is once in a generation talent.

 

[IccKnockout]

I've been watching cricket for 40 years. And every few years we hear of an Indian player who is the second coming or the chosen one. Yes theybger crazy numbers. They do crazy batsman stuff. We hear little 15 Yr old Indian fans coming onto forums like this and putting up posts like the above. Denigrating Pakistanis or Pakistanis players..you puff your tiny chests out and shout scream create posters of your new gods..

Good for you. Hype him all you want. But as of now. At this moment he has great numbers buts that's it. Good player but he's not the chosen one. He is human like everyone else and teams will combat him.so in summary yes the numbers are amazing..Great to watch but the hype is way too over..I prefer some humility frankly..but that's too much to expect from Indians these days.

It’s natural when you don’t have point to make, you resort to personal insults. 15 year old? Tiny chests,
I have been watching cricket since 1994 and I don’t need to give your my chest measurements on a cricket forum

On topic, what humility ? Whatever is being said are plain facts. You know, opinions backed by stats- they are called facts.

Rather than coming up with blanket statements like “xyz is the best batsman coz i think so” , prove it.

What humility? Where was this humility when every other thread was talking about Babar being the no 1 batsman when he clearly was nothing much than a stat padding batter in t20?

Yes we tend to hype a lot of players, sometimes they click sometimes they done. and SKY is the former.

 

[RexRex]

Hayden as well at 29-30.. from 2001 scoring 1k runs every damn year.
Aus has such examples..

Yep, Hayden is the numero uno example. His 2001 to 2006 was the greatest run-scoring spree from a
late-bloomer. Very inspirational.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It is rare to see a player blossom and get his chance after the age of 30, the only other player I can remember is Mike Hussey. He should have got his chance four years ago when he was racking up cameo after cameo at the IPL with MI.

Australia's bench strength was pretty good at that time. Even Damien Martyn found it tough to break it into Australian squad. What a GOAT team Australia was. No team can come close to it.

 

[giri26]

Australia were the only team who could actually play 2 unbeatable teams at the same time during their peak. Remember in the 90's they used to play tri-series with Australia A as the third team and the A team made the finals with the main side ahead of the international team. They were phenomenal.

 

[Saj]

The range of shots is the key.

He has such a wide array of shots at his disposal and that makes life very tough for the bowlers.

Also shows that you don't have to be 6 foot 4 and 15 stone to be able to smash the bowlers around.

 

[Smbhayi]

Australia were the only team who could actually play 2 unbeatable teams at the same time during their peak. Remember in the 90's they used to play tri-series with Australia A as the third team and the A team made the finals with the main side ahead of the international team. They were phenomenal.

That's a great idea.. india shoul arrange like that for home series..

 

[Hitman]

This is why you should not make premature threads that has the potential to bite your backside in the future.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Has Surya played 60 balls in any of the games in his career? . His 117 was of 55 balls.

I pray SKY plays 60+ more balls in this tournament.

 

[Msd_7]

I pray SKY plays 60+ more balls in this tournament.

2 times

 

[the Great Khan]

I've also been watching cricket for 40 years. I have watched Gavaskar in his twight years, 16 year old Sachin debut in Pakistan. MS Dhoni take India to 3 WC victories and then Sachin pass the baton on to Kohli.

The reason fans not just in India but also in Pakistan (yes Pakistan, look at the umpteen public reaction videos where Pak public are also praising SKY) is because of his unique is average coupled with his phenomenal s/r. We have players like Kohli and Rizwan who avg over 50 with a s/r of 120s or 130s. then we have players like Shahid Afridi and Glen Maxwell who strike at 150 but avg 17 and 28 respectively. I remember clearly Afridi getting the world record of fastest 100. Was he overhyped at that time. No because he went on to deliver several such stunning performances though he lost confidence at the fag end of huis career and went to lower middle order. I am a RCB supporter (as i am from Bengaluru) and just adore ABD. But even ABD has a avg of 26 with s/r of 135. SKY numbers just cant be true.

What separates SKY from the rest is he strikes at 180 with an avg of 40+ scoring a 50+ knock once in every 3 matches. In this World Cup he is averaging 75 with a s/r of 190+. Any team would take a player if he can average 75 or strike at 190 and here we have a player who can do both. SKy doesn't play safe shots like Rizwan or Babar nor does he take time before going full throttle like Kohli. He is able to hit the ball from ball 1. In fact he started of his international t20 career with a 6 of Joffra Archer.

SKY is nowhere near Kohli or Babar as far a orthodox technique is concerned. But he plays insane shots that other curent players would not even consider playing. Even Wasim Akram in the Pavillion today said SKY is from another planet.

Didn't realise Dhoni was around in 1983?

But coming onto your post. Yes he is a good hard working player who seems to have found his niche late on in his career.

The hype is way over. I expect it from Indians. I get it..he's your player you should hype him. But the issue I have is this. On every cricket handle site social network its SKY thus SKY that..abay theek hay bhai sumuj aa gay hay ...and thats because alot of these sites are dominated by either overseas Indians or home Indians.

We saw the whole "fab four" hype and then these cheap ways of creating more hype..

Frankly im tired of it.. I'm sure he may thrash us if he gets to the final and then they'll build statues of him and the net would be insufferable for years.

 

[Ab Fan]

That's a great idea.. india shoul arrange like that for home series..

Problem is fitness and injury though in India's case.

If everyone if fit, India can make two XI's in ODIs:-

Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Pant, KL, Pandya, Jadeja

Gill, Shaw, Ruturaj/Kishan, Shreyas, Samson, SKY, Axar

 

[RexRex]

That's why I don't go on Indian forums because I'm not interested in Indian cricket. .

But you are .. otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on this thread and bothered to post on it.

I can understand if you think he's overhyped. Indian fans have been watching him for about five years now in the IPL where he's played numerous high-octane knocks, whereas you've only heard about him recently when he made his international debut.

Personally, I think he'll fall early in semis to a well-directed bouncer by Mark Wood but you never know ..

 

[Major]

Didn't realise Dhoni was around in 1983?

But coming onto your post. Yes he is a good hard working player who seems to have found his niche late on in his career.

The hype is way over. I expect it from Indians. I get it..he's your player you should hype him. But the issue I have is this. On every cricket handle site social network its SKY thus SKY that..abay theek hay bhai sumuj aa gay hay ...and thats because alot of these sites are dominated by either overseas Indians or home Indians.

We saw the whole "fab four" hype and then these cheap ways of creating more hype..

Frankly im tired of it.. I'm sure he may thrash us if he gets to the final and then they'll build statues of him and the net would be insufferable for years.

exactly this.

No one says he is bad, its just the hype machine as if this guy is the next best thing. Just here for a few years 2-3 like Jonathan Trott. But Indians have a habit of going gaga.

They think calling someone over rated is an insult and than go crazy.

 

[the Great Khan]

But you are .. otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on this thread and bothered to post on it.

I can understand if you think he's overhyped. Indian fans have been watching him for about five years now in the IPL where he's played numerous high-octane knocks, whereas you've only heard about him recently when he made his international debut.

Personally, I think he'll fall early in semis to a well-directed bouncer by Mark Wood but you never know ..

Which is true. I don't watch the IPL since have limited exposure to him other than things that drop on my timelines..and no I'm not that interested in Indian cricket but this topic is one that interests me. It highlights the issues we have these days around sensationalism hype and the influence of large social media users.

 

[Ab Fan]

One of the reasons why Surya Kumar Yadav didn't got his chances earlier than 2021 was that there was no T20 World Cup between 2016-2021 and hence there was no major focus on finding T20 specialist players.

Earlier whoever performed in ODIs was backed in T20s and if they produce decent output, that would be enough to retain their spot. Some examples were Shikhar Dhawan,Rahane, Manish Pandey, Shreyas Iyer and Ravindra Jadeja. Because they did well in ODIs, they were backed in T20s and some decent output inspite of relatively lesser strike rate was enough for them to retain the spot.

Suryakumar unfortunately had to wait this long for the same reason. It was only in late 2020s( post COVID) that Indian TM realised that a full fledged focus should be given on this format and they need to play T20I specialists rather than those who play T20 as extended version of ODIs,i.e., you score run a ball for first 25 runs and then accelerate to get to 50(38).

 

[the Great Khan]

exactly this.

No one says he is bad, its just the hype machine as if this guy is the next best thing. Just here for a few years 2-3 like Jonathan Trott. But Indians have a habit of going gaga.

They think calling someone over rated is an insult and than go crazy.

Exactly..we may not agree on politics but i think we both agree on most things cricket. What really gets ne is how tge English hype these Indian players too..I can understand Indians hyping Indians. Why not..

But these English commentators who suddenly forget other cricketers and hype hype.. Everything IPL etc..theek hay bhai..acha ub bus kuro..Aur be cricketers hain

 

[Major]

Exactly..we may not agree on politics but i think we both agree on most things cricket. What really gets ne is how tge English hype these Indian players too..I can understand Indians hyping Indians. Why not..

But these English commentators who suddenly forget other cricketers and hype hype.. Everything IPL etc..theek hay bhai..acha ub bus kuro..Aur be cricketers hain

Shadab Khan is a very good example. The guy is scoring runs in PSL and takes wickets. But what annoys me is that our very own people doubt Shadabs batting.

Meanwhile you have people like Hardik Pandya that also get hyped due to IPL. Forget English fans, I remember on this forum, our own Pakistani fans were hyping up Varun Chakrawarthy of all people.

Shadab Khan is soo under rated that people would talk about rashid Khan but not him.

I get it Indians will hype there players, but Pakistani and other nations? I actually blame our ex cricketer, you see the kind of opinion our ex cricketer hold, thats the opinion that the local population will have.

The ex cricketers used to bash Tendulkar for being a selfish player, and thats how Pakistani fans saw Tendulkar, but now ex cricketers of pakistan kiss up to Indian players alot that our fans also start hyping those players.

 

[SamNJ]

The reason of Rizwan being not rated in the same breath as SKY despite good numbers, is same as Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is not mentioned by anyone in comparison to Haris Rauf, although Bhuvaneshar has better economy than Haris.
Even most of the Indian analysts sing praises of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf and make fun of their own bowlers.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Exactly..we may not agree on politics but i think we both agree on most things cricket. What really gets ne is how tge English hype these Indian players too..I can understand Indians hyping Indians. Why not..

But these English commentators who suddenly forget other cricketers and hype hype.. Everything IPL etc..theek hay bhai..acha ub bus kuro..Aur be cricketers hain

Firstly, in my previous post I didn't say Dhoni was playing in 1983. I gave a chronology that I have been following cricket since the times of Sunny Gavaskar to the current generation in past 4 decades.

Secondly, the issue is not just about SKY being hyped. Its the thread title that mentions that he is the most overrated/overhyped cricketer ever. Since you have been watching cricket for 40 years is SKY the most overhyped ever?

Thirdly, I gave you the reason for his hype which is 40+ s/r coupled with 180 s/r. Which other player past or present has these stats? You can have avergae of 40 like Babar with s/r of 128 or s/r of 150 like Afridi with avg of 17. But scoring consistently at such high rate irrespective of whether the team is 40/5 or 180/2 is what sets him apart.

fourthly, its not just Indian fans. Wasim Akram said in Pavillion SKY bats like he is from another planet, Rashid Latif, Salman Butt, Waqar, Shoaib Malik, Hafeez, Javed Miandad, Wahab and Misbah etc have all being praising him to the "sky".

Fifthly, how many players in current generation can hit the 6s that SKY hit of Ngarava in the last match? Wait a minute you wouldn't have even watched that match but I recommend you to watch the highlights and tell who can play those shots with such consistency.

As I said earlier this is an epic thread that is going to get bumped every so often.

 

[Ab Fan]

Firstly, in my previous post I didn't say Dhoni was playing in 1983. I gave a chronology that I have been following cricket since the times of Sunny Gavaskar to the current generation in past 4 decades.

Secondly, the issue is not just about SKY being hyped. Its the thread title that mentions that he is the most overrated/overhyped cricketer ever. Since you have been watching cricket for 40 years is SKY the most overhyped ever?

Thirdly, I gave you the reason for his hype which is 40+ s/r coupled with 180 s/r. Which other player past or present has these stats? You can have avergae of 40 like Babar with s/r of 128 or s/r of 150 like Afridi with avg of 17. But scoring consistently at such high rate irrespective of whether the team is 40/5 or 180/2 is what sets him apart.

fourthly, its not just Indian fans. Wasim Akram said in Pavillion SKY bats like he is from another planet, Rashid Latif, Salman Butt, Waqar, Shoaib Malik, Hafeez, Javed Miandad, Wahab and Misbah etc have all being praising him to the "sky".

Fifthly, how many players in current generation can hit the 6s that SKY hit of Ngarava in the last match? Wait a minute you wouldn't have even watched that match but I recommend you to watch the highlights and tell who can play those shots with such consistency.

As I said earlier this is an epic thread that is going to get bumped every so often.

A question to you? Do you see him making an impact in ODI format too or he just gonna be a T20I specialist with the likes of Shreyas Iyer and Sanju Samson going past him.

I feel with the kind of performance he has shown, he will definitely get backed in other formats too inspite of a few failures.

 

[ex-q-zit]

A question to you? Do you see him making an impact in ODI format too or he just gonna be a T20I specialist with the likes of Shreyas Iyer and Sanju Samson going past him.

I feel with the kind of performance he has shown, he will definitely get backed in other formats too inspite of a few failures.

I have been backing him for ODIs too for long. In his ODI international career he has so far scored 340 at a s/r of 98 averaging in 30s. Which are decent scores for ODi middle order batsman.

But the issue is Dhawan will be the opening with Rohit until next world cup KL will come at no.4 followed by pant, pandya n jaddu at 5, 6 and 7. Then the bowlers. I dont see the TM playing SKY ahead of KL. But would love to see him at 5 with Pant at 4 instead of KL. He can play the role Yuvi played in middle order. His List A stats too are impressive avergarging at 36 with s/r of 103 scoring over 3100 runs.

Considering he has not been chosenfor the ODIs against BD last this year the TM doesn't have him in their ODI plans.

 

[RexRex]

But these English commentators who suddenly forget other cricketers and hype hype.. Everything IPL etc..theek hay bhai..acha ub bus kuro..Aur be cricketers hain

Oh the penny drops. You have grown envious and miss the hey days of Holding and Bumble when they used to sing praises about everything Pakistani. English commentators on SKY and TMS were in complete thrall of Pak talent because of what they endured on the 1992 and 96 test tours.

Don't worry, you still have Nasser. He has been sharpening his mic and is raring to go for the semifinal. He loves a Pakistani hot streak and saves his best for them.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Shadab Khan is a very good example. The guy is scoring runs in PSL and takes wickets. But what annoys me is that our very own people doubt Shadabs batting.

Meanwhile you have people like Hardik Pandya that also get hyped due to IPL. Forget English fans, I remember on this forum, our own Pakistani fans were hyping up Varun Chakrawarthy of all people.

Shadab Khan is soo under rated that people would talk about rashid Khan but not him.

I get it Indians will hype there players, but Pakistani and other nations? I actually blame our ex cricketer, you see the kind of opinion our ex cricketer hold, thats the opinion that the local population will have.

The ex cricketers used to bash Tendulkar for being a selfish player, and thats how Pakistani fans saw Tendulkar, but now ex cricketers of pakistan kiss up to Indian players alot that our fans also start hyping those players.

Have you seen matches of the 90s? Sachin was like a lone warrior. Teams and fans alike would feel India would lose the match once his wicket was taken. Hence he was forced to excercise caution until the likes of Sourav, Sehwag, Yuvi etc came on.

In 90s he was similar to how Misbah was in 2010s. We ahve seen Misbah stranded at 1 end most of the times while batsmen fell like 9 pins on the other end. WC 2011 and WC 2015 matches against India are prime examples. Misbah is blamed for playing tuk tuk but people forget that if he would have thrown his wicket pakistan would have been bundled out much earlier in both matches.

Can you name 1 Pakistani ex cricketer who bashed Sachin as selfish? They all regard him highly from Wasim to Shoaib Akhtar, Inzamam to Afridi. Similar Indian players hold Pak players in high regards. This has not been a recent tradition. Recently Sunny Gavaskar visited Zaheer Abbas when he was hospitalised. Similarly when Bishan Bedi visited Kartarpur Intiqab Alam visited him.

Both Indian and Pakistani players have been holding each otehr in high regard since long. Atleast its been teh case since the 4 decades that I have been following cricket. Not sure what gave you the idea that this camaraderie is new and Pak ex-cricketers used to bash sachin.

 

[the Great Khan]

Shadab Khan is a very good example. The guy is scoring runs in PSL and takes wickets. But what annoys me is that our very own people doubt Shadabs batting.

Meanwhile you have people like Hardik Pandya that also get hyped due to IPL. Forget English fans, I remember on this forum, our own Pakistani fans were hyping up Varun Chakrawarthy of all people.

Shadab Khan is soo under rated that people would talk about rashid Khan but not him.

I get it Indians will hype there players, but Pakistani and other nations? I actually blame our ex cricketer, you see the kind of opinion our ex cricketer hold, thats the opinion that the local population will have.

The ex cricketers used to bash Tendulkar for being a selfish player, and thats how Pakistani fans saw Tendulkar, but now ex cricketers of pakistan kiss up to Indian players alot that our fans also start hyping those players.

Exactly. Shadab is one of the best t20 players in the world. But our people want to get hits on their profiles from Indian fans especially our ex players. Boils my blood when I see useless players like Malik on pavilion. Disgraceful player.

With regards to the penny dropping , er no. Not envious. Like i said I care very little for Indian cricket hence don't watch it. I don't have any interest in it and that's my prerogative. It's just the cheap sycophancy that I hate..

 

[Ab Fan]

I have been backing him for ODIs too for long. In his ODI international career he has so far scored 340 at a s/r of 98 averaging in 30s. Which are decent scores for ODi middle order batsman.

But the issue is Dhawan will be the opening with Rohit until next world cup KL will come at no.4 followed by pant, pandya n jaddu at 5, 6 and 7. Then the bowlers. I dont see the TM playing SKY ahead of KL. But would love to see him at 5 with Pant at 4 instead of KL. He can play the role Yuvi played in middle order. His List A stats too are impressive avergarging at 36 with s/r of 103 scoring over 3100 runs.

Considering he has not been chosenfor the ODIs against BD last this year the TM doesn't have him in their ODI plans.

I think it might be a rest or a break for him because he is in the mix for New Zealand ODI squad. In that team, you have Pant, S Iyer, Surya and Samson all four selected and there is Deepak Hooda as well. So, that series should give us some clarity on the selections.