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Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?

mominsaigol said:
Then why make a sky thread at all? If you don't give a hoot about him lol.
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I didn't make a thread.

And I didn't say I don't give a hoot about him. I don't give a hoot about his IPL performances. They don't really factor in a discussion about a players ability or how rated he is to non Indians.

Sky hasnt performed as well in big games as many would expect based on his other exploits. I don't think there is any harm in calling him overrated for now.

That doesn't make him a bad player but it seems to have triggered people to insult Pakistan and Pakistani players for some weird reason.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Is this how you cope. Poor, babar made a brilliant 25 of 33 so looks bangladesh wasn't that easy.

I disagree, I think babars knock in the final was his best innings.

Babar can't hit sixes like sky, he's a steady accumulator. Not a t20 player.

No Babar has ever been better than that sorry and the saffers were 24-3 at one point and managed to chase a low total with only 2 balls to spare doesn't scream easy to me
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I mean if it makes you happy that Sky is better than Babar I won't try to steal your thunder. It's entirely unrelated to the thread because he can be better than Babar and still be overrated.

Sky hasn't hit sixes against top teams either in a world cup lol but we can give him the smashed South Africa in the group stage trophy to keep you happy.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I didn't make a thread.

And I didn't say I don't give a hoot about him. I don't give a hoot about his IPL performances. They don't really factor in a discussion about a players ability or how rated he is to non Indians.

Sky hasnt performed as well in big games as many would expect based on his other exploits. I don't think there is any harm in calling him overrated for now.

That doesn't make him a bad player but it seems to have triggered people to insult Pakistan and Pakistani players for some weird reason.
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He is overrated I agree, but he's still superior to Pakistani bats. He may be overrated compared to the rest of the world.

But not to Pakistani players.
 
mominsaigol said:
He is overrated I agree, but he's still superior to Pakistani bats. He may be overrated compared to the rest of the world.

But not to Pakistani players.
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He has some amazing 200SR knocks but if we apply the same logic that you guys do for Pakistani batsmen ( world cup crunch games only, no bilateral series, no domestic cricket) then all we have to show so far is a knock against South Africa in a lost match and scoring more runs than Babar against Bangladesh.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He has some amazing 200SR knocks but if we apply the same logic that you guys do for Pakistani batsmen ( world cup crunch games only, no bilateral series, no domestic cricket) then all we have to show so far is a knock against South Africa in a lost match and scoring more runs than Babar against Bangladesh.
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Fair but he doesn't avg 17 in a world cup either
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I mean if it makes you happy that Sky is better than Babar I won't try to steal your thunder. It's entirely unrelated to the thread because he can be better than Babar and still be overrated.

Sky hasn't hit sixes against top teams either in a world cup lol but we can give him the smashed South Africa in the group stage trophy to keep you happy.
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You are the one who called sky an IPL bully, when he had a much better t20 wc than babar.

Sky isn't overrated because everyone knows he's a t20 hack, no one rates him in other formats.

His 68 was a very good innings against a top class pace attack in alien conditions when every other indian batter crumbled.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I mean if it makes you happy that Sky is better than Babar I won't try to steal your thunder
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You are not doing any charity by admitting this

Babar and Rizwan combined are not better than SKY alone. You need to watch cricket to understand this.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
No, according to him sky is overrated because he bashed minnows in a wc (despite his top class 68 vs sa) but babar is class even he averaged 17 in that wc at a sub 100 strike rate
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If you want my genuine opinion, Sky is a weak link for Indian team in odi and test formats and he proved that during the World cup cause he was a poor replacement for the injured pandya in general. So imo he is defo overrated

BUT

He's a t20 hack but a very very very good t20 hack, and someone like Sky is what Pakistan needs.

I'd rather have a hack who can strike at 170 to 200 and single handidely win every 1 in 4 games rather then a hack like rizwan who has made it his life long goal that onside shots are simply not possible for him.

It's why many true pakistani fans are advocating haris > Rizwan in t20
 
Rana said:
You are not doing any charity by admitting this

Babar and Rizwan combined are not better than SKY alone. You need to watch cricket to understand this.
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How is it relevant to the topic?

Babar has scored a crucial score in an ICC knockout. Based on your watching of cricket, when has SKY done this in recent times?

He has bashed as many minnows as Babar and Rizwan have, and he has bashed as many b/c sides, although he has bashed them more fiercely.

The difference is Sky has done zilch in other formats too.

If you are saying that all of them are overrated and overhyped then that is relevant to the topic I guess.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro all I'm saying is

Sky > Babar and rizwan in t20

Babar and rizwan > Sky in odi and test.
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The thread isn't a babar v sky comparison. Although it has went this way due to posters getting triggered and bashing Pakistan.

It is "is SKY overrated".

So far this has triggered responses and meltdowns such as :
"Pakistan is a medicore nation"
"Rizwan and Babar are rubbish"
"Random stuff about Misbah"

Sticking solely to the topic do you think SKY is overrated or no?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The thread isn't a babar v sky comparison. Although it has went this way due to posters getting triggered and bashing Pakistan.

It is "is SKY overrated".

So far this has triggered responses and meltdowns such as :
"Pakistan is a medicore nation"
"Rizwan and Babar are rubbish"
"Random stuff about Misbah"

Sticking solely to the topic do you think SKY is overrated or no?
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All the time I see Indians hype up about Surya this Surya that. Sky is gonna do this.

3 matches against us, and he has done nothing.

"Indians tell us how he is the true no.1, not Babar or Rizwan, we are yet to see Surya to do anything against us."
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the above and the bold line is taken from the original opening post why is babar or rizwan even mentioned?

it could have been left to the following

"All the time I see Indians hype up about Surya this Surya that. Sky is gonna do this.

3 matches against us, and he has done nothing."
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nobody is triggered, posters are just posting to why they think sky is the true no.1 batsmen and not rizwan or babar
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The thread isn't a babar v sky comparison. Although it has went this way due to posters getting triggered and bashing Pakistan.

It is "is SKY overrated".

So far this has triggered responses and meltdowns such as :
"Pakistan is a medicore nation"
"Rizwan and Babar are rubbish"
"Random stuff about Misbah"

Sticking solely to the topic do you think SKY is overrated or no?
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I think the only ones triggered by the harsh responses are the hardcore Babar+Rizwan T20 fans. Yes, the title of the thread asks the question as to whether SKY is overrated or not? But the OP states:
Major said:
Indians tell us how he is the true no.1, not Babar or Rizwan, we are yet to see Surya to do anything against us.
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Hence, the original narrative of the harsh responses in this thread are generated as a response to this line by the OP.

1. It’s not just ‘Indians’ who claim SKY is the True number 1 in T20 cricket….it’s the World Cricket fans who are convinced he is indeed the number 1 T20 batsman in the world. Him being ranked number 1 in the ICC rankings in the era of franchise cricket dominating the international calendar is highly essential too. This is because there are clearly some very mediocre batsmen that have been allowed to accumulate ranking points on the behest of under strength, under par international sides. SKY’s skill and ability as a batsman has been on show for everyone to see, against the best bowlers of world cricket in IPL and also for India. Maintaining a Strike Rate of 171 at an average of 45 is a testament to his ability and skill. He is an exquisite player of pace and spin, and is capable of executing his immense skill as a middle order batsman than doesn’t get the advantage of a powerplay with only 2 fielders outside the 30 years circle. Hence, SKY’s number 1 ranking is highly important to somehow bring back some legitimacy to the ICC rankings. The right kind of player at the top of the world rankings. There is no one that will question the rankings with him at the top. He isn’t the one making the rankings not look like a credible means to judge the true caliber of a player, the two players from Pakistan on the other hand most definitely do make the ranking system not look credible.

2. The OP feels the need to single out Indian fans, analysts and cricket experts in this thread. That’s also a terrible generalisation on his behalf. As such, there are ARDENT PAKISTAN FANS who have been claiming since 2021 that Babar and Rizwan are overrated! I being one of them, is of the opinion that the Indian fans feel the need to compare their players with the certified T20 juggernauts of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand. Pakistan cricket team and it’s players do not fall in the category of having their batsmen being compared with Indian batsmen because India have left Pakistan behind a long time ago when it came to understanding modern batting requirements in order to compete at the world stage. SKY’s competition right now isn’t to somehow prove Babar and Rizwan are overrated, nobody has time for this minuscule comparison. SKY is directly competing with World Cricket’s game changers such as Heinrich Klaasen, Andre Russell, Liam Livingstone, Glenn Phillips, Tristan Stubbs, Nicholas Pooran, Shimron Hetmyer… these are the types of players that Sky is in discussion with, because it’s these types of players who dare to be the best and win.

3. The reason why the OP’s question is being met with harsh responses towards Pakistan cricket, Misbah ul Haq, Babar and Rizwan in particular is because the OP himself triggered this by mentioning their names in his original post. The OP is a well known Misbah ul Haq apologist, and has gone on record many times to defend Babar and Rizwan’s opening combination numerous times knowing that this was a construct of Misbah ul Haq. How can you blame the people dragging their names through the mud in this debate when it is the OP who opened the gate for this?
 
emranabbas said:
the above and the bold line is taken from the original opening post why is babar or rizwan even mentioned?

it could have been left to the following



nobody is triggered, posters are just posting to why they think sky is the true no.1 batsmen and not rizwan or babar
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You are actually right and I am in the wrong here. I didn't pay too much attention to the OP and caught the discussion midway
My bad.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You are actually right and I am in the wrong here. I didn't pay too much attention to the OP and caught the discussion midway
My bad.
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The op tried to play it clever without the mention of rizwan and babar this thread would have not been 11 pages long...
 
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Rana said:
I think the only ones triggered by the harsh responses are the hardcore Babar+Rizwan T20 fans. Yes, the title of the thread asks the question as to whether SKY is overrated or not? But the OP states:



Hence, the original narrative of the harsh responses in this thread are generated as a response to this line by the OP.

1. It’s not just ‘Indians’ who claim SKY is the True number 1 in T20 cricket….it’s the World Cricket fans who are convinced he is indeed the number 1 T20 batsman in the world. Him being ranked number 1 in the ICC rankings in the era of franchise cricket dominating the international calendar is highly essential too. This is because there are clearly some very mediocre batsmen that have been allowed to accumulate ranking points on the behest of under strength, under par international sides. SKY’s skill and ability as a batsman has been on show for everyone to see, against the best bowlers of world cricket in IPL and also for India. Maintaining a Strike Rate of 171 at an average of 45 is a testament to his ability and skill. He is an exquisite player of pace and spin, and is capable of executing his immense skill as a middle order batsman than doesn’t get the advantage of a powerplay with only 2 fielders outside the 30 years circle. Hence, SKY’s number 1 ranking is highly important to somehow bring back some legitimacy to the ICC rankings. The right kind of player at the top of the world rankings. There is no one that will question the rankings with him at the top. He isn’t the one making the rankings not look like a credible means to judge the true caliber of a player, the two players from Pakistan on the other hand most definitely do make the ranking system not look credible.

2. The OP feels the need to single out Indian fans, analysts and cricket experts in this thread. That’s also a terrible generalisation on his behalf. As such, there are ARDENT PAKISTAN FANS who have been claiming since 2021 that Babar and Rizwan are overrated! I being one of them, is of the opinion that the Indian fans feel the need to compare their players with the certified T20 juggernauts of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand. Pakistan cricket team and it’s players do not fall in the category of having their batsmen being compared with Indian batsmen because India have left Pakistan behind a long time ago when it came to understanding modern batting requirements in order to compete at the world stage. SKY’s competition right now isn’t to somehow prove Babar and Rizwan are overrated, nobody has time for this minuscule comparison. SKY is directly competing with World Cricket’s game changers such as Heinrich Klaasen, Andre Russell, Liam Livingstone, Glenn Phillips, Tristan Stubbs, Nicholas Pooran, Shimron Hetmyer… these are the types of players that Sky is in discussion with, because it’s these types of players who dare to be the best and win.

3. The reason why the OP’s question is being met with harsh responses towards Pakistan cricket, Misbah ul Haq, Babar and Rizwan in particular is because the OP himself triggered this by mentioning their names in his original post. The OP is a well known Misbah ul Haq apologist, and has gone on record many times to defend Babar and Rizwan’s opening combination numerous times knowing that this was a construct of Misbah ul Haq. How can you blame the people dragging their names through the mud in this debate when it is the OP who opened the gate for this?
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This thread's sole intention was to bas swashbucklers and portray Misbah's school of cricket in a favorable light. The OP chose Suryakumar for the discussion, with an intention of turning it into another India vs Pakistan debate as it would attract some support for his agenda.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
This thread's sole intention was to bas swashbucklers and portray Misbah's school of cricket in a favorable light. The OP chose Suryakumar for the discussion, with an intention of turning it into another India vs Pakistan debate as it would attract some support for his agenda.
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it turned out to be a major vs india & pakistan xi :D
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The thread isn't a babar v sky comparison. Although it has went this way due to posters getting triggered and bashing Pakistan.

It is "is SKY overrated".

So far this has triggered responses and meltdowns such as :
"Pakistan is a medicore nation"
"Rizwan and Babar are rubbish"
"Random stuff about Misbah"

Sticking solely to the topic do you think SKY is overrated or no?
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I've already agrees that Sky is overrated going into detail as to why I think he's the weakest link in India.

But the word overrated is subjective. To claim someone is underrated or overrated you need to form a comparison with others.

Sky is overrated compared to the rest of the world, pakistani standards? Nope.

Also FYI, the OP by major outright compared SKY to babar and rizwan, just to let you know, Read what major wrote.
 
Fifty up for SKY against KKR today but things still looking bleak for MI. Can SKY get the over the line today?
 
Sky has become total hack now. Too much leg side hitting. He is out of position when playing offside shots.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Sky has become total hack now. Too much leg side hitting. He is out of position when playing offside shots.
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He was always a hack, but indian fans went gaga that he is the best player ever.

Anyone who wasnt biased knew there are pkayers that have such purple patches.

He maybe a decent player, but the hype that existed for him, lol, read the first page of this thread
 
Rana said:
Guy has not performed yet against Pakistan yet India still schooling Pakistan in cricket
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Yea.. he was a bit circumspect today. not sure if Dravid told him to be like that. HE usually starts with that fine leg scoop. He had 4 ducks i think in the IPL recently. So he is not exactly in top form. Hope he comes off in the next round.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yea.. he was a bit circumspect today. not sure if Dravid told him to be like that. HE usually starts with that fine leg scoop. He had 4 ducks i think in the IPL recently. So he is not exactly in top form. Hope he comes off in the next round.
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He clearly has a problem against Rauf. He shouldn’t. He has smashed much better bowlers than Rauf in cricket.
 
Rana said:
Anyone reading the game could see he made a big howler today.

Pant had neutralised Rauf the over before. All SKy had to do was give the strike back to him. That wicket set off the breakdown
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Yes. should have fed the strike. It was shocking to see some experienced players playing shots you would see from a team like Uganda. They are super lucky to get away.
 
It seems like SKY cant really absorb the heat of Pakistan-India clash

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Never rared SKY even as decent. He doesn't give much confidence when he is at the crease.

I'll be more comfortable bumrah on the crease than SKY because the latter can throw away his wicket at anytime.
 
This might be because of T20s or might be because they have not selected a good squad but I didn’t see any great talent in Indian batting lineup. I didn’t see anybody who’s ready to be the next Kohli and Rohit.
 
Surya has not been able to play his game against pakistan or maybe Pakistan bowlers have outnumbered him by calculated intelligence but I am not sure if there was intelligence involved. It was more of surya's own fault
 
Overrated beyond belief. Not dissimilar to how Babar is overrated.

Seems to disappear when the heat is on, especially against Pak.

I'm sure some of the fan will have an issue with this statement but facts are facts 🤭
 
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Most overrated is going way too far.

The most overrated player on the planet has to be Muhammad rizwan as Soon as the Bradman comment was made towards him.

A very average player who for some reason people think that he is a classy t20 opener and the greatest keeper the country has ever produced.

He's lucky he has the WK clause to hide behind considering atm usman khan and azam khan ain't kicking and his fans can use those 2 as scape goats.

But the moment his fans claim he can walk into any team is when they have lost it. The truth is sky while overrated would reasonably walk into most teams besides Australia as Maxwell has got him beat no 4 as well as South Africa.

England would happily have him at no 4 as bairstow has been out of it since 2023, NZ given their abysmal state would be dreaming of SKy as if he was eye candy. Afghanistan would welcome him with open arms as at no 4 he compliments the afghani openers well after PP is finished.

Rizwan ain't making it in any team based of current form, not even Bangladesh where liton das has closed his doors.
 
cricketmania22 said:
This might be because of T20s or might be because they have not selected a good squad but I didn’t see any great talent in Indian batting lineup. I didn’t see anybody who’s ready to be the next Kohli and Rohit.
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I don't think there's a need of Rohit or Kohli in team India in new generation.

It's a whole different setup where it has different dynamics than current one and in changing scenario, someone else might perform the roles that he was been assigned better than Rohit or Kohli themselves.
 
Major said:
And yet Sky cant score runs against the.. this only reflects poorly on SKY any way you put it
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Misbah had an utterly mediocre record against Bangladesh and Ireland bowling in ODIs . Does that mean those were quality bowling attacks ?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Misbah had an utterly mediocre record against Bangladesh and Ireland bowling in ODIs . Does that mean those were quality bowling attacks ?
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funny how you have no leg to stand on when its comes to suriya and have to bring in Misbah and every xyz in a thread about surya
 
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Major said:
funny how you have no leg to stand on when its comes to suriya and have to bring in Misbah and every xyz in a thread about surya
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Misbah could avoid disgrace here if his die hard fan wasn’t dishonest
 
Rana said:
Misbah could avoid disgrace here if his die hard fan wasn’t dishonest
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if i were you, i would be hiding after having said that,
Imad and Amir will win trophies for Pakistan and Azam Khan is a must in the Pakistani team.

You have been badly exposed, so my advice to you would be to run along and save face, instead of trying to divert a thread.
 
Major said:
funny how you have no leg to stand on when its comes to suriya and have to bring in Misbah and every xyz in a thread about surya
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They lost a match to Ireland, USA etc. That's not a good attack let alone a quality attack.
 
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Nothing to do with the so called quality of the Pakistani attack. He's just a lottery kind of player , who is high risk high reward.

He has smashed Cummins, Starc, Nortje, Rabada etc plenty of times in random bilaterals. Dont think tape ball Haris Rauf's "quality" is the reason..
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They lost a match to Ireland, USA etc. That's not a good attack let alone a quality attack.
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yet the non sufficient attack is good enough to keep susriya in his place.
 
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Mesozoic said:
Nothing to do with the so called quality of the Pakistani attack. He's just a lottery kind of player , who is high risk high reward.

He has smashed Cummins, Starc, Nortje, Rabada etc plenty of times in random bilaterals. Dont think tape ball Haris Rauf's "quality" is the reason..
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So Haris is Tape Ball, yet Surya cant hit him?
Again, that reflects badly on Surya.
 
Major said:
yes, Momank Patel > Imad Wasim
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That makes Harmeet Singh>> Babar Azam because he had the balls to turn up in the super over unlike Babar who was hiding behind Mohammad Yousuf in the dug out
 
No more personal remarks, please.

This thread is about SKY. Talk about him only. No need to bring any irrelvent player comparison here.
 
Major said:
yet the non sufficient attack is good enough to keep susriya in his place.
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They couldn't stop Monank Patel of all people. It is irrelevant whether SKY scored against them or not.

He has strong records against much better attacks like SENA and West Indies.

The fact that SKY doesn't statpad against 3rd rate attacks makes him underrated , in fact.

Sets him apart from serial choking statpadders
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
They couldn't stop Monank Patel of all people. It is irrelevant whether SKY scored against them or not.

He has strong records against much better attacks like SENA and West Indies.

The fact that SKY doesn't statpad against 3rd rate attacks makes him underrated , in fact.

Sets him apart from serial choking statpadders
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Calling it a third rate attack, yet its good enough to expose suriya.
 
Major said:
So Haris is Tape Ball, yet Surya cant hit him?
Again, that reflects badly on Surya.
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No idea why you're getting offended.

Isn't it true that Rauf came into the limelight through local tape ball tournaments? Or am I mistaking him for someone else?
 
Vikram1989 said:
Have not u seen the creator of the topic and his sole agenda .on top of it @Rana and lots of pper's have supported the legitimate no 1 ranking of sky instead of rizbar.
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Ain’t no doubt about it

Sky
Head
Klaasen
Butler
Salt
Jacks
Fraser McGurk
Finn Allen
Miller
Stubbs
Stoinis

These are legit T20 batters. Not those two frauds who are ranked 2 and 3 in the world
 
Vikram1989 said:
Have not u seen the creator of the topic and his sole agenda .on top of it @Rana and lots of pper's have supported the legitimate no 1 ranking of sky instead of rizbar.
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I don't really care about the rankings and i do think a section of the Indian fans overhype SKY (I mean come on.."Indian ABD"? Seriously?) but saying that he has failed against Pakistan due to the so called "quality" of their bowlers is just plain comedy as he has smashed superior bowlers.
 
Mesozoic said:
I don't really care about the rankings and i do think a section of the Indian fans overhype SKY (I mean come on.."Indian ABD"? Seriously?) but saying that he has failed against Pakistan due to the so called "quality" of their bowlers is just plain comedy as he has smashed superior bowlers.
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This. He's no AB by any stretch of the imagination and the IPL hype is nauseating but calling him the most overrated batter because he failed against this attack is a bit of a joke to be honest.

Considering @Major supports utter mediocrities who take 44 balls to score 30 in a T20, it's surprising :rabada2
 
The charm of Lara's career is his serial failure against India that was a mid ranked team in his era. Nobody held his underwhelming record against India as a marker to diminish his greatness.

The same is the case here. SKY's record against an almost-minnow Pakistan is a statistical anomaly. It enhances his otherwise sparkling T20 record.
 
Rana said:
Ain’t no doubt about it

Sky
Head
Klaasen
Butler
Salt
Jacks
Fraser McGurk
Finn Allen
Miller
Stubbs
Stoinis

These are legit T20 batters. Not those two frauds who are ranked 2 and 3 in the world
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Sky is overrated. Not cuz of having a dismal record against Pak, there's several batsman better than him in India.
 
Itachi said:
I don't think there's a need of Rohit or Kohli in team India in new generation.

It's a whole different setup where it has different dynamics than current one and in changing scenario, someone else might perform the roles that he was been assigned better than Rohit or Kohli themselves.
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I’m talking overall not only about T20s.
 
kron said:
Guy is a joke..biggest scam ever. He is a fraud. Pathetic guy.
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It's not over yet.
He may have failed to score in the tournaments, but that doesn't mean he is pathetic. I hope he will score some runs in the upcoming matches.
 
SKY needs to take a DNA test. I am sure he has some Pakistani genes in his bloodline. One of the few Indian star batsman who always crumbles under pressure.
 
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