Is the Australia-India rivalry the biggest thing in cricket at the moment?

[tyron_woodley]

I personally feel current Australia team stronger than India in test format.

India will be more competitive vs australia in australia than the other way around. Australia will get crushed in india.

India is better overall in literally every department.

 

[barah_admi]

There is this thing called The Ashes...oh and then there's the world cup...oh and then there is the New Zealand v Australia rivalry and then T20 world cups and then Champion's Trophies and....then you might get India v Australia.

 

[tyron_woodley]

There is this thing called The Ashes...oh and then there's the world cup...oh and then there is the New Zealand v Australia rivalry and then T20 world cups and then Champion's Trophies and....then you might get India v Australia.

oh dont froget india doesn't give a flying **** about what they think lol. New Zealand vs australia is not a rivalry. You csnt be perennial bunnies and call it a rivalry.

Oh wow?
dint know world cup, champions trophy rofl, t20 world cup are teams now? Why aren't they part of the WTC?

 

[BreadPakoda]

By the way Australia/India rivalry dates back to that famous 2001 series. Since that series India vs Australia neck and neck. Australia's win loss ratio is over 1 against all teams except against India since that tour

Since India vs Australia series in 2001. Australia's record against different countries

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Insane. Asian bloc’s dignity got saved.

Smith is just going through a bad patch. Starc was going through one too before Sri Lanka played them.

Agree. India was lucky Starc’s bad patch coincided with their tour down under. India didn’t face the Starc that we see today - the reinvigorated one.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Insane. Asian bloc’s dignity got saved.



Agree. India was lucky Starc’s bad patch coincided with their tour down under. India didn’t face the Starc that we see today - the reinvigorated one.

yea it's funny how it happens against the world's best team but somehow becomes reinvigorated when he faces other lower ranked teams. It's just really hilarious to me.

 

[Raja111]

Starc a good white ball bowler and does pretty well with pink ball too as it suits him more but not that good with red ball especially against top teams!
It's just Pak and SL made him look like a different kind of bowler!
He may go out of form again when he plays top sides again in normal test matches!.

 

[MenInG]

Llot has been written and said of the India-Australia Test rivalry these days: that it rivals the Ashes, that it supersedes the India-Pakistan series, but Australia's limited-overs captain Aaron Finch believes that the competitiveness and the hype surrounding it is no less in the shorter formats.

"India and Australia are two very successful teams, two countries that are very passionate about cricket as well... So it's hard to compare the rivalry (in Tests and ODIs)," Finch said.

"One is the traditional game of Test cricket and the grind of five days... that mental battle day in day out while one-day cricket is more skill-based obviously, just on that day. If a couple of guys have a great day on the field, it goes a long way in winning the match.

"That said, it's (rivalry) not a case of being less important or being taken lightly because it's ODI or T20 cricket."

Showing solidarity

Finch also impressed upon the need to demonstrate solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. West Indies players will wear the Black Lives Matter logo on their shirts during the three-Test series against England that begins on July 8 in Southampton.

"We haven't caught up as a main group for about three weeks on a conference call. I think that's being planned over the next wleek. And there will be more discussion and that'll (showing solidarity with the campaign) come up obviously.

"It's been a huge issue and whatever way we can support it, I think that's important. We are in a world where we probably get a little bit more exposure than a lot of other people, so standing up for it will be crucial. There will be something no doubt."

Finch said it should be the prerogative of all countries to do the best they can to get the sport up and running in these trying times. "What we've got to be really mindful now is just having the best interests of all cricket supported, whether it's Australia, India, England, South Africa, whichever country, I think we've all got to get around each other and do what's best for cricket.

"That might mean a little bit of short-term pain, or not ideal scenarios for a particular country, but the fact we've all just got to get together and make it work for the good of the game, I think that's the most important thing to remember. We all want to be playing as much as we can wherever we can, whatever we have to do to get the game back up and running, but it just comes down to the fact there's going to be a lot of give and take, a lot of compromise from a huge amount of stakeholders, so I think we're just going to have to be really flexible in that regard," he said.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-support-west-indies-logo/article31951204.ece

 

[sweep_shot]

I think it is.

Both Australia and India can win in each other's backyard.

 

[Hasan123]

Australia vs India is a serious rivalry. Enjoy this encounter more than Pakistan vs India to be honest.

 

[CanadianG00se]

ATM
1) Ashes

2) India-Australia

3) South Africa-Australia

India-Pakistan rivalry is limited to ICC events, but outside of that none exists.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Celebrating the quality of the India-Australia cricketing rivalry!

Can we put everything aside and must celebrate the quality of cricket seen in this rivalry? England may be Australia's historic rival and Pakistan is India's but there doesnt seem to be a more high octane contest in test cricket than these two . Australia was our toughest opponent at home in the last 7 years and this strong Australian side has not had a tougher opponent at hone than India. [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] [MENTION=129939]wrongun[/MENTION] [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION] [MENTION=190]OZGOD[/MENTION]

 

[Varun]

From a cricketing perspective, England - Australia is such a yawn. England wilt after they lose 2 tests, and they have barely come across each other in ODI tournaments.

India - Australia is where the action is at.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I am part of a few Cricket groups on Facebook with the Aussies. Must say they're fun people to talk cricket with. My favorites among all country's fans in Cricket.

Australia has always been the team we wanted to compete the hardest against and took immense pride in performing against them.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

India vs Australia...

SA vs Australia (past - saffers need some time now)

Great rivalry....

 

[Nikhil_cric]

From a cricketing perspective, England - Australia is such a yawn. England wilt after they lose 2 tests, and they have barely come across each other in ODI tournaments.

India - Australia is where the action is at.

Absolutely . In england, it is somewhat competitive and aAustralia atleast put up a fight but in Australia, England got demolished on the last 2 tours.

 

[Shazzam]

I am part of a few Cricket groups on Facebook with the Aussies. Must say they're fun people to talk cricket with. My favorites among all country's fans in Cricket.

What about them makes there fans quality?

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

@RandomAussie has stopped visiting this forum I guess!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India vs Australia...

SA vs Australia (past - saffers need some time now)

Great rivalry....

SA- Australia was a great rivalry for a decade (2008-2018) . SA were great in India in to for a while. I'm not sure current South Africa are anywhere near that good.

 

[Varun]

2011 (India whitewashed 4-0) and 2013 (Australia whitewashed 4-0) were the only one-sided series since 2001.

 

[szrana007]

You forgot to tag [MENTION=59855]robelinda[/MENTION] Obviously, its a great rivalry.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What about them makes there fans quality?

There is a passion in Aussies about their Cricket but the best thing about them is their remarkable sense of humour. They can laugh at themselves which is the greatest virtue and I never see them not giving the opponents their due.

 

[Napa]

India ain't beating Aus in Aus with Smith and Warner back.

They would have gotten smashed last series if they were playing.

Sorry, I hurt your feelings. But that's reality.

India wouldn't have sniffed a series win if those 2 were there and would have been staring down the barrel of 0-4 or 0-3.

lmao are we going to preted like India would have won a single game with Smith and Warner there.

Keep dreaming.

If both score, you're staring down an innings defeat.

It's straight forward, you're deluded if you think otherwise.

By the way Australia/India rivalry dates back to that famous 2001 series. Since that series India vs Australia neck and neck. Australia's win loss ratio is over 1 against all teams except against India since that tour

Since India vs Australia series in 2001. Australia's record against different countries

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ATM
1) Ashes

2) India-Australia

3) South Africa-Australia

India-Pakistan rivalry is limited to ICC events, but outside of that none exists.

India vs Australia...

SA vs Australia (past - saffers need some time now)

Great rivalry....

For the Ashes to continue to be greater than the Australia-India rivalry, England has to at least win a few matches in Australia. If their poor performance continues, the Ashes won't remain the premier rivalry for the Aussies.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

No where close to Ashes . Yes we won but people who think Ind-Aus would be a bigger rivalry than Ashes are just delusional or has some other mental issues

 

[Ab Fan]

Ashes is more due to historical reasons.

But if we are talking about rivalry in terms of quality of cricket, then for long, it was Aus vs SA followed by Aus vs India. The latter though has gone past the former in recent times.

 

[street cricketer]

I think we have to differentiate between rivalry based on the action that takes place inside the field and rivalry due to things outside it, because of traditional and political factors. On a pure sporting level, India Australia contests have been of the highest quality in the last few years and it's about as good as you can get in Test cricket. The cricketing contest, the drama, the dramatic swings in momentum over the course of the series and the entertainment on the field was of the highest class in the recently concluded India-Australia series or Australia's tour of India 4 years ago for that matter.

But there's something more that makes contests like the Ashes or India-Pakistan matches a great spectacle and that's centuries old rivalry either in cricket or in politics. And this rivalry will remain even if one of the teams is weaker than the other resulting in one sided contests on the field, purely because of traditional and political reasons. So on a pure sporting level, India-Australia is the best rivalry there is right now, but this can get altered when one of the team drops off in quality, and that can change to India-England or Australia-South Africa rivalries. But Ashes and India-Pakistan will always remain a top rivalry due to non cricketing/traditional reasons even if the actual action on the field is not as riveting as say India-Australia contests right now are.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Australia is a great sporting nation and a cricketing nation as seen by their recent WT20 WC win, which they pulled out of thin air. Any team including India would like to have a sporting rivalry with them, and
India has been a team which has challenged them the most in past 20 years.

But, nothing can ever compare to history between English and Aussies. It is just a different atmosphere when Poms tour here and i am sure vice versa is true as well.
So, I would disagree and say that Ashes is the biggest rivalry.

India Pakistan can be bigger, but that would never happen.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Nothing can replace the Ashes series.This is the oldest rivalry in cricket.

 

[Mesozoic]

Not really.

Media and "experts" can try as hard as they can to force this so called rivalry down our throats but it just doesn't have that feel of an India vs Pakistan game or an Ashes test.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Ashes and Indo-Pak rivalry are still culturally most significant rivalries of cricket. But, cricket quality vice, India and Australia beats them all by some margin.
Indo-Pak rivalry is nowadays one sided (usually favours Indians) and Ashes too is all about home advantage.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rivalries go beyond just sports and extend into other areas like culture and politics. By politics and culture, I don't mean at a superficial level; these factors extend deep into the psyche and often become difficult to explain to someone that is not initiated in them.

In football terms ( club level), rivalries have developed over many years of battles and clashes that have a local context too, and it doesn't need to between clubs who are at similar levels. For instance, a Newcastle fan will still feel they have a rivalry with Sunderland despite the gap between the two clubs, and it was similar at Rangers and Celtic when Rangers got demoted.

New rivalries can obviously develop - I mean, it's fair to say in Football terms that Liverpool and Man City are now rivals, but still, despite the gaps between the clubs, a Liverpool and Manchester United match will have more bite because of the deep historical dislike and rivalry between the two clubs and cities.

In cricket, there are only two rivalries that tick the deep emotional boxes: Pakistan V India and England V Australia. Curiously the Eng V Aus is mainly in Ashes Test Cricket. Commentators and pundits try to at times make out that the t20s and ODI series between these countries are mini-ashes, but these games do not have the same level of bite to them.

I don't think that Australia V India is quite there yet in terms of a deep and intense rivalry; the quality of cricket is generally excellent between these two sides, so it might get there one day. South Africa and Australia at their peaks 5-10 years ago was probably the best quality test cricket I've ever seen, but once the quality of the SA side waned slightly, "the rivalry" was no more.

That could potentially happen with these two sides too. In the unlikely event that one of Australia or India regress to a level that a series between these sides is no longer viable, then the rivalry will vanish.

On the contrary, a true rivalry will never disappear. For example, England gets pummelled more often than not in the Ashes, yet the series is still box office. Similarly, in recent times, Pakistan has got pummelled more often than not in ICC events against India. Yet, it is the most-watched event in the cricketing calendar, and the ICC fixes tournaments so that these two sides play.

 

[Rajdeep]

No where close to Ashes . Yes we won but people who think Ind-Aus would be a bigger rivalry than Ashes are just delusional or has some other mental issues

India always brings it to the Aussies in downunder series where as England surrenders meekly. So a Border-Gavaskar trophy has been much more competitive in recent history compared to the Ashes. Ofcourse Ashes has much longer history but that aside India tour is much competitive.

People who still thinks after 2018 and 2020 India series that Ashes is better have some racial bias. Bcoz anyone understands cricket would know Border-Gavaskar series left Ashes to the dust.

#Fact

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India always brings it to the Aussies in downunder series where as England surrenders meekly. So a Border-Gavaskar trophy has been much more competitive in recent history compared to the Ashes. Ofcourse Ashes has much longer history but that aside India tour is much competitive.

People who still thinks after 2018 and 2020 India series that Ashes is better have some racial bias. Bcoz anyone understands cricket would know Border-Gavaskar series left Ashes to the dust.

#Fact

Ben Stokes took rest against India in England but made himself available for Ashes. Warner didn't even play against India in first two tests.
Ashes is certainly bigger for both these teams.

Our fans try too hard to present India vs Australia as a rivalry but the recent T20 match was a good enough proof that India vs Pakistan is still the biggest rivalry in world cricket.

 

[Rajdeep]

Ben Stokes took rest against India in England but made himself available for Ashes. Warner didn't even play against India in first two tests.
Ashes is certainly bigger for both these teams.

Our fans try too hard to present India vs Australia as a rivalry but the recent T20 match was a good enough proof that India vs Pakistan is still the biggest rivalry in world cricket.

Ben Stokes was fighting mental fatigue in summer and missed India series/World cup everything.

Warner missed 1st 2 tests due to injury he suffered during ODI series playing against same India. Just like how Hazelwood will miss the next Ashes match. Injuries can happen anytime and to anyone. Not sure how that proves which series is important...LOL.

England's main bowler James Anderson played all 4 tests against India but sat out here in Ashes test. So using your logic shall we assume for Jimmy India series was more important than Ashes. Stop being silly.

Dont know why you are bringing a T20 here somehow to bring Pakistan in the mix. We are talking about biggest test rivalry here. Pakistan kaha se aa gaya? And then you blame others for trying too hard )

 

[street cricketer]

Ben Stokes took rest against India in England but made himself available for Ashes. Warner didn't even play against India in first two tests.
Ashes is certainly bigger for both these teams.

Our fans try too hard to present India vs Australia as a rivalry but the recent T20 match was a good enough proof that India vs Pakistan is still the biggest rivalry in world cricket.

Both Stokes and Warner were injured during the matches they missed against India.

It's silly to believe they'd rest voluntarily in a test series against India. Not everyone is like our superstars resting for a test series at home against NZ.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ben Stokes was fighting mental fatigue in summer and missed India series/World cup everything.

Warner missed 1st 2 tests due to injury he suffered during ODI series playing against same India. Just like how Hazelwood will miss the next Ashes match. Injuries can happen anytime and to anyone. Not sure how that proves which series is important...LOL.

England's main bowler James Anderson played all 4 tests against India but sat out here in Ashes test. So using your logic shall we assume for Jimmy India series was more important than Ashes. Stop being silly.

Dont know why you are bringing a T20 here somehow to bring Pakistan in the mix. We are talking about biggest test rivalry here. Pakistan kaha se aa gaya? And then you blame others for trying too hard )

LMAO what do you mean by Pakistan kahan se agaya? This thread talks about the biggest rivalry in cricket not specifically test cricket.
Did it hurt your ego that Pakistan vs India is still a bigger rivalry than India vs Aus or Ind vs Eng? Both Aussies and English fans give preference to Ashes but here in India we are definitely trying too hard to make India vs Aus a big rivalry lol. That T20 match against is a good enough proof that India vs Pakistan is not a dead rivalry and right up there or even better than Ashes.

 

[NishanKonar]

So Ben Stokes intentionally missed tests against England

This means big asterisk on India's test wins at Lord's and Oval

 

[Ab Fan]

I think we have to differentiate between rivalry based on the action that takes place inside the field and rivalry due to things outside it, because of traditional and political factors. On a pure sporting level, India Australia contests have been of the highest quality in the last few years and it's about as good as you can get in Test cricket. The cricketing contest, the drama, the dramatic swings in momentum over the course of the series and the entertainment on the field was of the highest class in the recently concluded India-Australia series or Australia's tour of India 4 years ago for that matter.

But there's something more that makes contests like the Ashes or India-Pakistan matches a great spectacle and that's centuries old rivalry either in cricket or in politics. And this rivalry will remain even if one of the teams is weaker than the other resulting in one sided contests on the field, purely because of traditional and political reasons. So on a pure sporting level, India-Australia is the best rivalry there is right now, but this can get altered when one of the team drops off in quality, and that can change to India-England or Australia-South Africa rivalries. But Ashes and India-Pakistan will always remain a top rivalry due to non cricketing/traditional reasons even if the actual action on the field is not as riveting as say India-Australia contests right now are.

Lol at India-England

That's not even worth a rivalry as far as quality is concerned. Both get smashed in each other's venue.

 

[street cricketer]

Lol at India-England

That's not even worth a rivalry as far as quality is concerned. Both get smashed in each other's venue.

I was talking about the future

 

[Ab Fan]

Ben Stokes was fighting mental fatigue in summer and missed India series/World cup everything.

Warner missed 1st 2 tests due to injury he suffered during ODI series playing against same India. Just like how Hazelwood will miss the next Ashes match. Injuries can happen anytime and to anyone. Not sure how that proves which series is important...LOL.

<B>England's main bowler James Anderson played all 4 tests against India but sat out here in Ashes test. So using your logic shall we assume for Jimmy India series was more important than Ashes. Stop being silly.</B>

Dont know why you are bringing a T20 here somehow to bring Pakistan in the mix. We are talking about biggest test rivalry here. Pakistan kaha se aa gaya? And then you blame others for trying too hard )

Haha absolute annihilation, mind boggling stuff this. )

 

[Rajdeep]

LMAO what do you mean by Pakistan kahan se agaya? This thread talks about the biggest rivalry in cricket not specifically test cricket.
Did it hurt your ego that Pakistan vs India is still a bigger rivalry than India vs Aus or Ind vs Eng? Both Aussies and English fans give preference to Ashes but here in India we are definitely trying too hard to make India vs Aus a big rivalry lol. That T20 match against is a good enough proof that India vs Pakistan is not a dead rivalry and right up there or even better than Ashes.

How can India vs Pak be biggest rivalry when the two teams have not played a test series since 2008 and plays white ball cricket only in ICC events? Wake up and smell the coffee, you are still living in 90s unfortunately. The rivalry of Ind-Pak is long dead.

Infact, India and Pakistan never had sporting rivalry. People here have short memories but the test series between these two teams were bang avg and boring. Stadiums used to be empty when we were playing regular test series. Ind vs Pak never produced a series like Ind-Aus did in 2001 or 2018 or 2020.

What India and Pakistan has is political rivalry. The fact that we play so less makes such off games hyped up. Basically the losers of the world who would never put a foot in border would treat this match as war and talk big in social media. Then some would even bring religious angle into it and it gets ugly. So it is more of a fan hysteria rather than a sporting rivalry.

So Ashes may still be the biggest rivalry (debatable) but Ind-Aus is pretty close.

Ind-Pak no where in picture. Unfortunately people mix political rivalry with sports rivalry.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How can India vs Pak be biggest rivalry when the two teams have not played a test series since 2008 and plays white ball cricket only in ICC events? Wake up and smell the coffee, you are still living in 90s unfortunately. The rivalry of Ind-Pak is long dead.

Infact, India and Pakistan never had sporting rivalry. People here have short memories but the test series between these two teams were bang avg and boring. Stadiums used to be empty when we were playing regular test series. Ind vs Pak never produced a series like Ind-Aus did in 2001 or 2018 or 2020.

What India and Pakistan has is political rivalry. The fact that we play so less makes such off games hyped up. Basically the losers of the world who would never put a foot in border would treat this match as war and talk big in social media. Then some would even bring religious angle into it and it gets ugly. So it is more of a fan hysteria rather than a sporting rivalry.

So Ashes may still be the biggest rivalry (debatable) but Ind-Aus is pretty close.

Ind-Pak no where in picture. Unfortunately people mix political rivalry with sports rivalry.

You are right about India vs Pakistan being a political rivalry and that is what makes it the biggest rivalry both on and off the field. Our fans/cricket pundits can digest any loss against Australia but find it hard to digest losses against Pakistan. You can debate about the quality of cricket being better in India vs Australia match but I am looking at all the factors and still think India vs Pakistan is the biggest rivalry in cricket.

Hype before the match, number of viewers, statements by players, ex-players, mauka mauka ads, social media, fans running away from forums after their team's loss, individual performances of some players in a big match and exposure of chokers are my reasons for this.

 

[IMMY69]

Australia vs India is not even a rivalry, let alone the biggest rivalry in cricket.

Please let's stop this nonsense

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Haha absolute annihilation, mind boggling stuff this. )

Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad ‘fit and ready’ for second Ashes Test

Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad are “fit and ready to go” for the pink-ball Test starting on Thursday in Adelaide, when England will attempt to end Australia’s perfect home record in day-night matches and revive a faltering Ashes campaign.

The pair’s absence from the nine-wicket defeat in Brisbane dominated the post-match inquest. Anderson’s buildup period was limited after an early calf niggle on tour while Broad was overlooked for the subsequently mauled left-arm spin of Jack Leach.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/12/cricket-england-jimmy-anderson-stuart-broad-ashes

Some people are so desperate.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Australia vs India is not even a rivalry, let alone the biggest rivalry in cricket.

Please let's stop this nonsense

This is a forced and one sided rivalry. I think someone should do a survey both in India and Australia. Pretty sure Australians will choose Ashes over Border Gavaskar trophy and Indians will choose Pakistan. People in India are obsessed with Pakistan so how can they call Australia our biggest rivals?

Pakistani fans on the other hand are clear about their rivalry.

 

[Rajdeep]

Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad ‘fit and ready’ for second Ashes Test

Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad are “fit and ready to go” for the pink-ball Test starting on Thursday in Adelaide, when England will attempt to end Australia’s perfect home record in day-night matches and revive a faltering Ashes campaign.

The pair’s absence from the nine-wicket defeat in Brisbane dominated the post-match inquest. Anderson’s buildup period was limited after an early calf niggle on tour while Broad was overlooked for the subsequently mauled left-arm spin of Jack Leach.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/12/cricket-england-jimmy-anderson-stuart-broad-ashes

Some people are so desperate.

What are you facepalming him for? LOL

We are all aware Anderson opted to sit out to remain fit for Pink test. I just gave the Anderson example using your own analogy. As per you Warner sat out for first 2 tests against India not due to injury but bcoz he considers India series less important than Ashes. So I use the Anderson example using the same logic you are using for Warner.

Why are you facepalming for?

First time I have seen someone facepalming his own comments

 

[Ab Fan]

Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad ‘fit and ready’ for second Ashes Test

Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad are “fit and ready to go” for the pink-ball Test starting on Thursday in Adelaide, when England will attempt to end Australia’s perfect home record in day-night matches and revive a faltering Ashes campaign.

The pair’s absence from the nine-wicket defeat in Brisbane dominated the post-match inquest. Anderson’s buildup period was limited after an early calf niggle on tour while Broad was overlooked for the subsequently mauled left-arm spin of Jack Leach.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/12/cricket-england-jimmy-anderson-stuart-broad-ashes

Some people are so desperate.

Anderson and Broad both missed out on first test. That's the point. They already missed it which is why it was mentioned.

You know it, AB Fan and [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] talk with pure facts and evidences only. No nonsensical stuffs!

 

[Technics 1210]

The most watched match was Pakistan vs India, that too in a T20 WC. 152/0.

The only people who think India vs Australia is a rivalry are those chasing the fair and lovely skin while trying to pretend Pakistan is irrelevant when it comes to viewership and revenue.

Heck, the KPL garnered more social media posts than revenue vs a down-under team.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is a forced and one sided rivalry. I think someone should do a survey both in India and Australia. Pretty sure Australians will choose Ashes over Border Gavaskar trophy and Indians will choose Pakistan. People in India are obsessed with Pakistan so how can they call Australia our biggest rivals?

Pakistani fans on the other hand are clear about their rivalry.

No need. You only have to look at the number of English and Australian players who bailed and ****** on the IPL for preparation of Ashes. Such is the auqaat of Indian cricket - Cannon fodder.

 

[Walawalkar]

What are you facepalming him for? LOL

We are all aware Anderson opted to sit out to remain fit for Pink test. I just gave the Anderson example using your own analogy. As per you Warner sat out for first 2 tests against India not due to injury but bcoz he considers India series less important than Ashes. So I use the Anderson example using the same logic you are using for Warner.

Why are you facepalming for?

First time I have seen someone facepalming his own comments

He yet to recovered from his thrashing in Gabba match thread..give him some time Sir..

 

[ElRaja]

icc arent stupid, they dont put india and pak in the same group for no reason. aus have greater economic sway than pak, its obvious its the extra interest from the indian fans which drives the decision.

icc is hoping and praying india and pakistan make it to the wtc final, will easily be the most watched test match in history, espcially if it takes place in Asia or African or UK hours.

 

[IMMY69]

This is a forced and one sided rivalry. I think someone should do a survey both in India and Australia. Pretty sure Australians will choose Ashes over Border Gavaskar trophy and Indians will choose Pakistan. People in India are obsessed with Pakistan so how can they call Australia our biggest rivals?

Pakistani fans on the other hand are clear about their rivalry.

You and I both know that if Pakistan were to play India in a test series we would have sell out crowds and TV viewership would probably break all records.

Meanwhile the Aussies will continue to blow smoke up India's proverbial for the dollars and unfortunately a lot fans buy into it.
But other then the dollars there really is no cricketing rivalry.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Every country has some rivalry. I say India vs Bangladesh rivalry at one point was great fun lol SL vs Bangladesh rivalry started after Nagin dance. India vs Australia Rivalry was more after 2001 series the 2007 umpiring fiasco triggered it. More to do with cricketing reasons than anything else. Currently it is India vs NZ rivalry. It changes. Let us mix up with historic rivalries. Those who mix up are totally missing the point. Before 2003 world cup everyone was praying for INdia to beat NZ black and blue in the world cup after NZ gave us drop-in pitches where India lost 2-5. Ganguly had to be defensive about it. He said "We don't consider this as a revenge". India beat NZ handsomely in the 2003 world cup. These short term rivlaries exist all the time. India vs Australia rivalry has its own space because both can be aggressive and feed of each other. Traditional rivalry is always going to exist regardless how bad one side has become. England can get worse than Namebia. But OZ vs England rivalry will always exist. Australia vs NZ rivalry has its own space. Some time in the 2000s during Jayasuriya's peak India vs SL rivalry was there.

 

[wrongun]

Australia is a great sporting nation and a cricketing nation as seen by their recent WT20 WC win, which they pulled out of thin air. Any team including India would like to have a sporting rivalry with them, and
India has been a team which has challenged them the most in past 20 years.

But, nothing can ever compare to history between English and Aussies. It is just a different atmosphere when Poms tour here and i am sure vice versa is true as well.
So, I would disagree and say that Ashes is the biggest rivalry.

India Pakistan can be bigger, but that would never happen.

India vs Oz matters. Yes, it is a rivalry.

Oz vs SA has been a great rivalry since readmission. Some epic series & performances.

The difference with the Ashes is the general media (non sport) soaks up the feeling & speaks about it. Casual fans who normally barely know who is playing or who is even in our team want to talk about the Ashes.

I actually think it more rarely produces cricket/series as good as those other rivalries mentioned. But when it does, like '89, or '93, '05 or Johnson's Ashes... there's nothing quite like it.

 

[Napa]

Ben Stokes took rest against India in England but made himself available for Ashes. Warner didn't even play against India in first two tests.

Ben Stokes was fighting mental fatigue in summer and missed India series/World cup everything.

Warner missed 1st 2 tests due to injury he suffered during ODI series playing against same India.

Both Stokes and Warner were injured during the matches they missed against India.

It's silly to believe they'd rest voluntarily in a test series against India. Not everyone is like our superstars resting for a test series at home against NZ.

LMAO what do you mean by Pakistan kahan se agaya? This thread talks about the biggest rivalry in cricket not specifically test cricket.
Did it hurt your ego that Pakistan vs India is still a bigger rivalry than India vs Aus or Ind vs Eng? Both Aussies and English fans give preference to Ashes but here in India we are definitely trying too hard to make India vs Aus a big rivalry lol. That T20 match against is a good enough proof that India vs Pakistan is not a dead rivalry and right up there or even better than Ashes.

This is how Bhaag operates. Says something stupid, and then when he is called out he will simply ignore the replies pointing out his error.

Also, as England keeps getting hammered in Australia (9 losses, 1 draw, 0 wins this decade) Australian fans are definitely going to lose interest. Similar situation to NZ visiting India, before the Test begins you know that NZ will lose or maybe escape with a draw. There is little interest in India in such one-sided games.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India vs Oz matters. Yes, it is a rivalry.

Oz vs SA has been a great rivalry since readmission. Some epic series & performances.

The difference with the Ashes is the general media (non sport) soaks up the feeling & speaks about it. Casual fans who normally barely know who is playing or who is even in our team want to talk about the Ashes.

I actually think it more rarely produces cricket/series as good as those other rivalries mentioned. But when it does, like '89, or '93, '05 or Johnson's Ashes... there's nothing quite like it.

Which media hypes Ashes more. Australian media or British media?

 

[Pakpak]

Australia vs India is not even a rivalry, let alone the biggest rivalry in cricket.

Please let's stop this nonsense

Its a made up rivalry for Indians pretending Pakistan does not matter or does not exist.

India's streets empty anytime we play them. Just a glance through their media should tell us that. It's just certain Indians pretending we don't exist.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Its a made up rivalry for Indians pretending Pakistan does not matter or does not exist.

India's streets empty anytime we play them. Just a glance through their media should tell us that. It's just certain Indians pretending we don't exist.

That is entirely inaccurate. Back in the mid-2000s Australians were genuinely considered as a rivalry. Not just Indians. Despite controversies, both teams competed very well in their respective countries. So it is not "imaginary". Drama/controversies/Individual rivalries/quality many aspects defined that rivalry except it was not a traditional rivalry. OZ vs NZ rivalry also existed. But NZ became a punching bag of Australia after a certain period. Hence it is not a rivalry anymore. Most of the time results are a foregone conclusion.

https://www.republicworld.com/sport...e-india-australia-rivalry-with-the-ashes.html

 

[Giannis]

It's not a rivalry by any definition. It's just two competitive sides that have a recent history (15-20 years) of having some really good contests. There are only 3 genuine rivalries in world cricket - the Ashes, Indo vs Pak and the Trans-Tasman rivalry. That's it. The other match up that has a possible good case for rivalry status is Australia vs South Africa.

 

[Pakpak]

That is entirely inaccurate. Back in the mid-2000s Australians were genuinely considered as a rivalry. Not just Indians. Despite controversies, both teams competed very well in their respective countries. So it is not "imaginary". Drama/controversies/Individual rivalries/quality many aspects defined that rivalry except it was not a traditional rivalry. OZ vs NZ rivalry also existed. But NZ became a punching bag of Australia after a certain period. Hence it is not a rivalry anymore. Most of the time results are a foregone conclusion.

https://www.republicworld.com/sport...e-india-australia-rivalry-with-the-ashes.html

Read [MENTION=150563]Giannis[/MENTION]'s post above me for a response he said what I meant.

 

[JaDed]

How is it a rivalry? We beat them in back to back series at their home and their so called fortress. When was the last time Aus did that?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Read [MENTION=150563]Giannis[/MENTION]'s post above me for a response he said what I meant.

Which is what i am also saying. It is not a traditional rivalry. Who said it is a traditional rivalry. But it is also not "made up" rivalry as you insinuate. Neither side is correct here. Those who say there is no rivalry between India and Australia. Those who say this is better than India vs pakistan. Honestly rivalry should be there. Otherwise sports will be nothing. When Bangladesh made fun of Srilankan after their win with Nagin dance entire Srilankan fans in the stadium rooted for India more than Indians. You know which is the highest viewed cricket video on youtube? You probably think it is some pakistan match? No. It is Dinesh Karthik's 20th over against Bangaldesh. 214 million views. 19th over 124 million views. Rivalry can start any time. Mushifiqur Rahim's nagin dance started that rival.

 

[Napa]

How is it a rivalry? We beat them in back to back series at their home and their so called fortress. When was the last time Aus did that?

Series victories by a margin of one Test is spice for the rivalry. It stops being a rivalry when the scoreline reads something like 3-0 or 4-0 as it has been against England.

You can bet that the Aussies will be super-motivated to beat India when India visits next time, and their fans will be thirsting for revenge. In comparison when Australia plays England at home, it's hard to get motivated when you are 9-0 ahead.

Kind of like the India-Pakistan ODI WC has stopped being a rivalry with the score at 7-0.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Despite India vs Pakistan rivalry is great, Kohli is one of the least intense Indian captain I have seen in an India vs Pakistan encounter. There is zero energy. No regrouping. He just goes through motion when he plays against Pakistan and New zealand. B

 

[Napa]

Its a made up rivalry for Indians pretending Pakistan does not matter or does not exist.

India's streets empty anytime we play them. Just a glance through their media should tell us that. It's just certain Indians pretending we don't exist.

Across all 3 formats, India has played Pakistan once in the last 2 years, while it has played Australia about 20 times. Besides rivalry, there also is a novelty factor when India plays Pakistan that attracts an audience.

Even though they rarely play each other, most Indians don't see Pakistan as being competitive in Tests or ODIs. The real challenge now is to beat the Australians, English and South Africans at their homes. Pretty much most Indians have accepted that there will be no bilateral series between India and Pakistan in the foreseeable future.

 

[Pakpak]

Which is what i am also saying. It is not a traditional rivalry. Who said it is a traditional rivalry. But it is also not "made up" rivalry as you insinuate. Neither side is correct here. Those who say there is no rivalry between India and Australia. Those who say this is better than India vs pakistan. Honestly rivalry should be there. Otherwise sports will be nothing. When Bangladesh made fun of Srilankan after their win with Nagin dance entire Srilankan fans in the stadium rooted for India more than Indians. You know which is the highest viewed cricket video on youtube? You probably think it is some pakistan match? No. It is Dinesh Karthik's 20th over against Bangaldesh. 214 million views. 19th over 124 million views. Rivalry can start any time. Mushifiqur Rahim's nagin dance started that rival.

Nothing beats India vs Pakistan, its evident when both teams play each other.

Its evident as it crosses sports.

Its evident by the mass number of millions of Indian trolls all over Pakistani media spaces from forums to social media to newspapers comment section.

I am a football supporter, supported Arsenal as a match going fan since I was a kid. Even though Tottenham are trash and Arsenal have had great sporting rivalries with United, nothing beats Arsenal vs Tottenham for any North London fan. Its the same analogy.

Indians can invade Pakistani forums with troll trash and then tell us rivalry is nothing, be my guest.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nothing beats India vs Pakistan, its evident when both teams play each other.

Its evident as it crosses sports.

Its evident by the mass number of millions of Indian trolls all over Pakistani media spaces from forums to social media to newspapers comment section.

I am a football supporter, supported Arsenal as a match going fan since I was a kid. Even though Tottenham are trash and Arsenal have had great sporting rivalries with United, nothing beats Arsenal vs Tottenham for any North London fan. Its the same analogy.

Indians can invade Pakistani forums with troll trash and then tell us rivalry is nothing, be my guest.

There was diminished interest in India/Pakistan encounters until the CT final. You could say it got renewed after that. I still say that rivalry for ages. That will always be there. Nobody denies that. But Why are you hell-bent on trying to prove there is no special rivalry exists between India and Australia?
Why do you think two rivalries cannot co-exist? One for political, historical reasons. other one for cricketing reasons. You cannot possibly say INdia/pakistan rivalry exists purely for cricketing reasons.

 

[Pakpak]

There was diminished interest in India/Pakistan encounters until the CT final. You could say it got renewed after that. I still say that rivalry for ages. That will always be there. Nobody denies that. But Why are you hell-bent on trying to prove there is no special rivalry exists between India and Australia?
Why do you think two rivalries cannot co-exist? One for political, historical reasons. other one for cricketing reasons. You cannot possibly say INdia/pakistan rivalry exists purely for cricketing reasons.

Ofcourse sporting rivalries exist. So does India Australia. I'm just its nowhere near close to India Pakistan no matter what Indians like to pretend otherwise.

India Pakiatan transcends sport.

Indians can pretend Pakistan doesn't matter while spamming all our media spaces 24/7.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What are you facepalming him for? LOL

We are all aware Anderson opted to sit out to remain fit for Pink test. I just gave the Anderson example using your own analogy. As per you Warner sat out for first 2 tests against India not due to injury but bcoz he considers India series less important than Ashes. So I use the Anderson example using the same logic you are using for Warner.

Why are you facepalming for?

First time I have seen someone facepalming his own comments

I quoted the post I was facepalming for. And now I will do the same for your post because you couldn't see it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is how Bhaag operates. Says something stupid, and then when he is called out he will simply ignore the replies pointing out his error.

Also, as England keeps getting hammered in Australia (9 losses, 1 draw, 0 wins this decade) Australian fans are definitely going to lose interest. Similar situation to NZ visiting India, before the Test begins you know that NZ will lose or maybe escape with a draw. There is little interest in India in such one-sided games.

Stop being biased for your friends and read the whole conversation before calling anyone's opinion stupid. Your friends are getting desperate and hurt because I called India vs Pakistan a bigger rivalry than India vs Australia. As I said earlier, this is a forced rivalry. If given a choice Aussies will always prefer watching Ashes than Border Gavaskar Trophy.

Indians who are so obsessed with Pakistan will surely prefer watching India vs Pakistan matches. Recent one off T20 match is a pretty good example of that. The burn it gave to some of our fans and cricket experts was unreal. I can never see this happening after we lose any match against Australia. Ind vs Pak is a political, sporting, emotional and sometimes a religious rivalry.

 

[Napa]

By that logic then at least have India play Pakistan in tests before jumping to all sorts of idiotic conclusions

Pakistan has managed to rise to #5 in Test rankings after beating world power Bangladesh.



Tests aren't T20 where a team can get lucky. Non-delusional people know that an India Pakistan Test series will end the same way Pakistan's last Test series in Australia. The gap is simply too large.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The most watched match was Pakistan vs India, that too in a T20 WC. 152/0.

The only people who think India vs Australia is a rivalry are those chasing the fair and lovely skin while trying to pretend Pakistan is irrelevant when it comes to viewership and revenue.

Heck, the KPL garnered more social media posts than revenue vs a down-under team.

Exactly this. There should be no shame in accepting that India vs Pakistan is still the biggest rivalry in cricket.

 

[Napa]

Stop being biased for your friends and read the whole conversation before calling anyone's opinion stupid. Your friends are getting desperate and hurt because I called India vs Pakistan a bigger rivalry than India vs Australia. As I said earlier, this is a forced rivalry. If given a choice Aussies will always prefer watching Ashes than Border Gavaskar Trophy.

Indians who are so obsessed with Pakistan will surely prefer watching India vs Pakistan matches. Recent one off T20 match is a pretty good example of that. The burn it gave to some of our fans and cricket experts was unreal. I can never see this happening after we lose any match against Australia. Ind vs Pak is a political, sporting, emotional and sometimes a religious rivalry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... true to your nature more evasion from you. You will not reply to @Rajeep or [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] pointing out that both Stokes and Warner were injured during the matches they missed against India after you wrote "Ben Stokes took rest against India in England but made himself available for Ashes. Warner didn't even play against India in first two tests. Ashes is certainly bigger for both these teams."

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan has managed to rise to #5 in Test rankings after beating world power Bangladesh.

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Tests aren't T20 where a team can get lucky. Non-delusional people know that an India Pakistan Test series will end the same way Pakistan's last Test series in Australia. The gap is simply too large.

What is our head to head record against Pakistan in tests then? You are forgetting one thing whenever India vs Pakistan happens it will happen either in India, Pakistan or UAE. It won't happen in Australia. They too have spinners and batsman who can play spin well. Having watched test series against these two arch rivals I can say it will be a close series and not as one sided as you are trying to make it sound. At least learn from the recent match and don't be so overconfident.

 

[Napa]

What is our head to head record against Pakistan in tests then? You are forgetting one thing whenever India vs Pakistan happens it will happen either in India, Pakistan or UAE. It won't happen in Australia. They too have spinners and batsman who can play spin well. Having watched test series against these two arch rivals I can say it will be a close series and not as one sided as you are trying to make it sound. At least learn from the recent match and don't be so overconfident.

Oh yes, great evasive one. I should learn from the recent T20 how a Test series will end.

The rankings are based on games played everywhere, both in Asia and outside Asia. The difference in the performance of the two sides is massive, which is reflected in their rankings.

As for the historical head to head record, that is due to Pakistan not playing India when it was really strong, like the early 1970s when India was ranked #1, and over the past 5 years. It is a meaningless record.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... true to your nature more evasion from you. You will not reply to @Rajeep or [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] pointing out that both Stokes and Warner were injured during the matches they missed against India after you wrote "Ben Stokes took rest against India in England but made himself available for Ashes. Warner didn't even play against India in first two tests. Ashes is certainly bigger for both these teams."

Ben Stokes took an indefinite break from cricket including Pyjama League but made himself available for the Ashes. Ashes is bigger for Australians and English players. How hard is it to understand? And your friends are finding it hard to convince me that India vs Pakistan is a smaller rivalry than India vs Australia.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Oh yes, great evasive one. I should learn from the recent T20 how a Test series will end.

The rankings are based on games played everywhere, both in Asia and outside Asia. The difference in the performance of the two sides is massive, which is reflected in their rankings.

As for the historical head to head record, that is due to Pakistan not playing India when it was really strong, like the early 1970s when India was ranked #1, and over the past 5 years. It is a meaningless record.

You are acting ignorant here. We are talking about the biggest rivalry here and that includes everything. Surely it is hurting your angrezi ego now. And India vs Pakistan is a meaningless record now?

 

[Napa]

Ben Stokes took an indefinite break from cricket including Pyjama League but made himself available for the Ashes. Ashes is bigger for Australians and English players. How hard is it to understand? And your friends are finding it hard to convince me that India vs Pakistan is a smaller rivalry than India vs Australia.

Okay, after 5 posts you finally realize you can't hide and address your earlier comment about Stokes and Warner. Yes, Stokes took an "indefinite break" but recovered. Recoveries do happen. India Pakistan is a rivalry whose importance gets diminished the longer the two countries do not play bilaterals.

You are acting ignorant here. We are talking about the biggest rivalry here and that includes everything. Surely it is hurting your angrezi ego now. And India vs Pakistan is a meaningless record now?

Yes, it is meaningless simply because it omits periods when India would have beaten Pakistan easily. As per the rankings, two 5 game series between the two countries would have likely ended 8-0 or at worst 8-1 making the current record look meaningless. India chooses not to play Pakistan for non-cricketing reasons, but that doesn't mean we can't infer how games between these two would end based on their performance against other teams.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Okay, after 5 posts you finally realize you can't hide and address your earlier comment about Stokes and Warner. Yes, Stokes took an "indefinite break" but recovered. Recoveries do happen. India Pakistan is a rivalry whose importance gets diminished the longer the two countries do not play bilaterals.



Yes, it is meaningless simply because it omits periods when India would have beaten Pakistan easily. As per the rankings, two 5 game series between the two countries would have likely ended 8-0 or at worst 8-1 making the current record look meaningless. India chooses not to play Pakistan for non-cricketing reasons, but that doesn't mean we can't infer how games between these two would end based on their performance against other teams.

Yeah he recovered on time just before the important series of his life which is the Ashes. And at least I am backing my opinion with something. You and your 'tag' friends on the other hand are trying too hard and also trying to force Ind vs Aus rivalry as the biggest rivalry down other people's throats. So far you have got no reasons to put down India vs Pakistan rivalry under India vs Aus. I gave you a start. It is upto you to build upon it.

Also India vs Pakistan is never played on the basis of rankings. Those who have watched enough Indo Pak cricket know this pretty well. Not expecting pyjama league fans to know about this but both teams have beaten each other's stronger teams in the past. Your would have, could have are the only meaningless thing in this debate.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Personally enjoy the quality and intensity of Indo-Aus test matches the most. Not a rivalry in the historic and cultural sense but the hatred these two teams have on the field is fun to watch. So many controversies since the Monkeygate series. Also can't complain about the level of cricket on display.

SA used to push Aus in Aus hard but now they have declined and Ind has taken that role, even before that we had decent success there. Aus has a terrible record in India especially in their last 4 series here, won 1, lost 10, drew 3. But the 2017 series was very entertaining, one time I felt we would lose our home streak.

For Aussies Ashes will always be number one, for Indians we will be more emotional and passionate about our duels against Pakistan. Both true more for non cricketing reasons. Fair enough.

2001 Border-Gavaskar series was my initiation to test cricket and 2020-21 Border-Gavaskar will always be my most treasured memory as a fan. Hope we get another thriller next year when Aus is scheduled to visit these shores.

 

[Swashbuckler]

In white ball cricket, India vs Pakistan is the biggest rivalry irrespective of quality of the teams, will always be so. It transcends sport.

Even though I want resumption of bilateral tests between the two countries I hate Indo-Pak tests. Mostly played on dead pitches, both teams adopting safety first approach, high percentage of draws, general lethargy and lack of urgency, one of the most boring sporting contests. Has always been like this barring 1-2 exceptions, look at the scorecards even from the 50s, 70s, 80s.

Test cricket will always be the ultimate format, but just for this one case exception can be made, would prefer a 5 or 7 match ODI/T20 series between the two teams.