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Is the idea to have one captain for all 3 formats a good suggestion?

Is the idea to have one captain for all 3 formats a good suggestion?

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Many 'experts' are suggesting that it would be in Pakistan cricket's best interests to appoint one captain across all three formats.

Do you think it's a good idea or not?
 
I think if the opportunity presents itself, they should do it, but more importantly it shouldn't be forced. If a player has the talent to lead in all formats, then good. But if one player is only a good captain for ODIs or T20s they shouldn't captain the Test Team
 
I want it done so that we can get it out of our system
 
One captain for both LO formats or one captain for tests/odis and use t20s as a chance to groom a younger player.
 
I'm more for same captain in the LOI format and another captain for the tests. Primarily because ODIs are more of an extended T20 these days and you want some of the same policies to be implemented in ODIs that you implement in T20.

Tests are a completely different ball game and you can have a different person running the show there.


One thing is for certain if Azhar is made the test captain he will continue to flounder in the role which may even effect his test batting that is desperately required by the side.
 
It's not great nor destined for failure. Preferably, one captain for tests and ODIs. T20s should be used to groom your next captain as they are meaningless.
 
Good idea , but with the conditions now.. sarfraz will find difficult to manage the test team... The test team will go further down while LOI teams are on the rise...

I foresee that ODI team will stand up and reach 5-6 rankings soon and also in T20I will be in the top 4... but the tests team will falter more down and reach no.7 quite soon...

azhar is more deserving than sarfraz to hold the test captaincy.... sarfraz shouldnt be given the test captaincy...They can groom Babar azam or amir as the next captain for all three formats.. This time around azhar as test captain and sarfraz as LOI captain is the best for a short - term plan...
 
i am someone who believes that having a captain is overrated now. Times have changed and a captain should be more of a ceremonial position who just goes out there and does the toss.

data driven decisions based on the coach with inputs from on field players and technology (in the australian series broadcasters even showed pitch heat map that showed where the grass was and wasn't from an infrared perspective).
 
Though they have played alot cricket. There opinion of having one captain is understandable because of the internal politics all these seniors have gone through. I like sarfaraz as a player and captain. He has the capability to lead his players to punch above their weight(which is required at the moment) but fitness is another problem.. Also same captain for all format is not going to be a good option for pakistanis because of their tactical inefficiency. There is huge difference in tactics for LOs and test matches.
 
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Depends on the situations of the teams and the players in consideration. It's a very general idea.
 
I voted for terrible - that shouldnt be the starting point.

You should have the best possible captain in each format - if you end up with the same guy, i am fine with it.
 
I voted yes because it's a great idea, as long as a suitable candidate is available, while the poll doesn't specify PAK only. If it was for team PAK specific, I won't have voted yes - because that makes MoHa the only savior of PAK cricket, unless they call back Misbah for ODI & T20 till 2023 WC.

If I go by teams, I think most teams have options for one Captain in 3 formats (not necessarily those players has to be Captaincy material)

AUS - Smith, Warner, Starc, Josh - 2 realistic options.
BAN - Mushi, Sakib, Tamim, Sabbir, Miraz in future - 4 realistic options now
IND - Kohli, Ash, Jaddu, Shami - 2 realistic options (Jaddu might not be automatic choice for Tests out side Asia)
ENG - Root, Stokes, Butlar, Moeen, Woakes - first 4 are realistic options
NZ - Will, Ross, Southee, Boult - may be Santner as well - 2 realistic options.
PAK - Amir, Babar, Sarfu - all 3 realistic options. MoHa as well, if we think that at 43, he is a good choice for 2019 WC & after remodeling, his bowling is worthy of an all-rounder's tag, beyond stats.
SAF - AB, Amla, Faf, JP, Rabada - probably the 1st team without unanimous options as AB & Amla are not interested, while FaF, JP is not good enough - Rabada is too raw
SRL - Mathews, Chandimal, & the recent No. 3 (Forgot name, right hander, attacking batsman) - both options are in charge.
WI - Bravo. I give benefit of doubt to Holder as well - this is not 1987, Holder is equivalent to Marshall or Harper now for this lot. Gayle is not considered here, neither Russell & all-rounder Bravo.
ZIM - Masakadza, Irvine

More or less, what I can see is almost every team actually has appointed their best possible candidate as Captain or/and deputy - obviously except PAK, which is not surprising at all. After all those years, I need to have some clue why the ODI ranking is 9th for a team that should never be below 5th.

If I look it other way - of the 10 teams, I can't recall about ZIM, but IND, AUS, NZ, SRL has 1 Captain; WI, BD, SAF & ENG has 2 & PAK is the only team with 3 Captains for 3 formats - it actually shows the maturity of the Cricket nation - as they say, the more leaders you have in your society, the more mature you are. It also helps PCB & Shahriar Khan - by the old rule - the more divided your team is, it's easier to control the players - just pamper your Captain (s), they'll keep players under him chilled. Zaminders & Nawabs did that for British, just like Misbah/Azhar has done for 6 years for PCB - this is the most gentleman PAK side, in my memory.
 
Sarfaraz is likely to be OD captain.

I do not think he can handle all three formats alone being a WK.

Pakistan need to have at least two captains.
 
MenInG said:
I want it done so that we can get it out of our system
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The last time we have a successful captain in all formats was Inzy from 2003-07. But keep in mind that he was our best player in all formats during that time as well. And we didn't play T20's back then.

It didn't work with Malik from 2007-09. Didn't work with Misbah from 2010-12

What makes you think it will work this time?
 
MMHS said:
I voted yes because it's a great idea, as long as a suitable candidate is available, while the poll doesn't specify PAK only. If it was for team PAK specific, I won't have voted yes - because that makes MoHa the only savior of PAK cricket, unless they call back Misbah for ODI & T20 till 2023 WC.

If I go by teams, I think most teams have options for one Captain in 3 formats (not necessarily those players has to be Captaincy material)

AUS - Smith, Warner, Starc, Josh - 2 realistic options.
BAN - Mushi, Sakib, Tamim, Sabbir, Miraz in future - 4 realistic options now
IND - Kohli, Ash, Jaddu, Shami - 2 realistic options (Jaddu might not be automatic choice for Tests out side Asia)
ENG - Root, Stokes, Butlar, Moeen, Woakes - first 4 are realistic options
NZ - Will, Ross, Southee, Boult - may be Santner as well - 2 realistic options.
PAK - Amir, Babar, Sarfu - all 3 realistic options. MoHa as well, if we think that at 43, he is a good choice for 2019 WC & after remodeling, his bowling is worthy of an all-rounder's tag, beyond stats.
SAF - AB, Amla, Faf, JP, Rabada - probably the 1st team without unanimous options as AB & Amla are not interested, while FaF, JP is not good enough - Rabada is too raw
SRL - Mathews, Chandimal, & the recent No. 3 (Forgot name, right hander, attacking batsman) - both options are in charge.
WI - Bravo. I give benefit of doubt to Holder as well - this is not 1987, Holder is equivalent to Marshall or Harper now for this lot. Gayle is not considered here, neither Russell & all-rounder Bravo.
ZIM - Masakadza, Irvine

More or less, what I can see is almost every team actually has appointed their best possible candidate as Captain or/and deputy - obviously except PAK, which is not surprising at all. After all those years, I need to have some clue why the ODI ranking is 9th for a team that should never be below 5th.

If I look it other way - of the 10 teams, I can't recall about ZIM, but IND, AUS, NZ, SRL has 1 Captain; WI, BD, SAF & ENG has 2 & PAK is the only team with 3 Captains for 3 formats - it actually shows the maturity of the Cricket nation - as they say, the more leaders you have in your society, the more mature you are. It also helps PCB & Shahriar Khan - by the old rule - the more divided your team is, it's easier to control the players - just pamper your Captain (s), they'll keep players under him chilled. Zaminders & Nawabs did that for British, just like Misbah/Azhar has done for 6 years for PCB - this is the most gentleman PAK side, in my memory.
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Butler is not an automatic choice in Tests whilst Ross is on the knife's edge right now in terms of selection.
 
Syed1 said:
I'm more for same captain in the LOI format and another captain for the tests. Primarily because ODIs are more of an extended T20 these days and you want some of the same policies to be implemented in ODIs that you implement in T20.

Tests are a completely different ball game and you can have a different person running the show there.


One thing is for certain if Azhar is made the test captain he will continue to flounder in the role which may even effect his test batting that is desperately required by the side.
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The one thing is that it is fine to be a defensive captain in ODI's (especially on flat pitches) but it is a big NO-NO in Tests - absolutely not.

This mere fact automatically disqualifies Azhar from Test captaincy.
 
Misbah and Afridi worked well in my opinion but having different captains may lead to power struggles. I'd opt for a single captain in all formats, preferably someone who has a lot of years left in him.
 
One captain is better provided he's good enough in all format.
 
The public wants to see a change; it doesn't matter what is;
 
I think we should try this too... but don't expect results too quickly.. give him atleast a year

Also Sarfaraz as captain means Azhar Ali,Shafiq and Wahab are going nowhere from the ODI squad..he's best friends with them...
 
msb314 said:
Butler is not an automatic choice in Tests whilst Ross is on the knife's edge right now in terms of selection.
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I think, both Butler & Johny (Bairstowe) will be automatic choice in England team in near future. I named Josh because he played last 2 Tests. Taylor actually is an automatic choice for all 3 format in this Kiwi side & he'll be for another 3-5 years. He had a failed tenure as Captain, but he is not bad choice as Captain. Also, I think Latham is a regular for 3 formats now, Guptil was just few months back.

England is using 2 Captains but they don't cross each other's path - Cook is a Test specialist while don't think Morgan will ever play Test, therefore it's not a big deal.
 
Yes, it's a good idea as long as a player makes into all three formats without issues and he is a good captain.

If he doesn't make into all formats easily then you shouldn't force the issue. If he is a poor captain then no use giving him this job in all formats.
 
It's a worthless discussion and I think it is mostly done in Pakistan only. Captain should be selected for each format, irrespective of who the captain is in other formats. That might result in a single captain in each format, different captain in each format or one captain in two formats and one in the other. That shouldn't be the driving point. The driving point should be selecting best option for each format.
 
msb314 said:
The last time we have a successful captain in all formats was Inzy from 2003-07. But keep in mind that he was our best player in all formats during that time as well. And we didn't play T20's back then.

It didn't work with Malik from 2007-09. Didn't work with Misbah from 2010-12

What makes you think it will work this time?
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I think they should appoint Sarfraz as LOI captain and make MYK as test captain a year or 2 or until he retire for AZHAR to forget defensive and negative mode of captaincy. Especially the fear of losing.
 
Pros:
> One captain means their are fewer groupings in players.
> Captain has more control on the players.


Cons:
> Difficult to find a player who can command respect in all three formats of the game which is essential for a leader.
> Requires a person with the ability to be agressive in T20/ODIs, and perhaps defend when needed as in Tests. For example, somebody like Misbah can play the long game in tests, unlike perhaps Sarfraz who is overly keen.
> Having three captains means, their is competition among the teams/captains. One captain means less of a competition.
 
I think someone very young should be given the t20 captaincy and under him young guys should play. No need to play any 30 plus guys in t20 format. Keep this format to try out guys who show some potential in domestic t20s.
 
It depends on the particular proposed captain. If it is azhar Ali or sarfraz or babar then it's terrible idea and if it be kohli then it is a great idea.
 
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ask_analyse_act said:
I think they should appoint Sarfraz as LOI captain and make MYK as test captain a year or 2 or until he retire for AZHAR to forget defensive and negative mode of captaincy. Especially the fear of losing.
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I think YK will be gone soon - the 1st Test vs WI may be his last if he gets to 10K runs.
 
Not going to work for Pakistan from the current player. In Pakistan Azhar should be the test captain, Sarfraz for ODI and someone like Imad for T20.

Unless you have someone like Kohli, Williamson or Roots.
 
depends on who it is. Sarfraz, sure. It could be a good idea. He can play all formats.

Azhar: Bad idea. He should stick to test cricket.
 
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msb314 said:
I think YK will be gone soon - the 1st Test vs WI may be his last if he gets to 10K runs.
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I dont think so.. If MISBAH can play till 43, then I'm sure with MYK's fitness he will continue to play until the next test tour to England or Aus or even longer provided given captaincy..
 
ask_analyse_act said:
no not in tests... In tests u need batsmen to score big daddy hundreds, not quickfire or run a ball 50s , 70s//
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how many big daddy hundreds do we have for the current lot?

perhaps elevating him up the order and relieving him of wicketkeeping will help him score more heavily
 
He is a better captain. But what will happen if he fails to score in few test matches. Type of player he is, he normally scores when he playing freely.. Added pressure of captaincy may bring his downfall in test matches.
But he should be okay as long as we play in UAE
 
Syed1 said:
How many daddy hundreds does present test captain have?
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that is why he should have gone long back... Pak wasted all their time and money with an okay cricketer like MISBAH as captain...Again I say Woolmer touted only 2 guys MYK and S.Butt who has the potential to be future captains, only these two have attacking style of captaincy which we saw, rest of them whoever they appointed as captains just had no clue what to do when the opposition is on top......Misbah takes praises after drawing the test series in england with a 5-year settled test side, remember butt and his team came back from 2-0 to make it 2-1 with a scrambled team and only Butt, Yousuf being the experienced test players... There is a clear reason why MISBAH didnt made a double ton and also no hundreds in ODIs...
 
Kitchlew said:
He is a better captain. But what will happen if he fails to score in few test matches. Type of player he is, he normally scores when he playing freely.. Added pressure of captaincy may bring his downfall in test matches.
But he should be okay as long as we play in UAE
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YES, this will hamper his progress in LOIs.... leave test cricket to myk and azhar ali.. Later groom babar or amir to take all 3 formats ... sarfraz should be limited to captain in LOIs only
 
One captain is always preferable , but Pakistan is struggling to find a experience all format batsman.
 
Too much pressure for players who are drafting in all formats. Besides, Misbah has already decided to stay few more years and it will be hard for diplomat like SK to sack him due to his diplomacy. Same goes for Azhar as well. According to PCB few whitewash and win 1 or 2 here and there are ok. So don't expect much
 
how will sarfraz cope with captaicy , batting and keeping in all 3 formats , i think there should be different captain in Test
 
Playing at no 7 with such weak tail you can't make big daddy hundreds all the time.
 
umerz said:
Playing at no 7 with such weak tail you can't make big daddy hundreds all the time.
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Current Test Captain actually played at 5 with two of team's most consistent batsmen coming at 6 & 7. Still, you'll be surprised to notice the alarming number of times he had been out within 10-15 minutes of 2nd morning after a decent outing in Day 1 - that's in UAE which gives minimum to new ball pair.

However, issue is not that - he made the team on merit that time. Issue is at almost 43 he is struggling with bat & now trying to prolong his career on his own terms - PAK cricket team shouldn't be anyone's inherited property that one can use it for personal glory.
 
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