Is the Management even aware that Mohammad Wasim Jr. is a fake all-rounder?

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Faheem Ashraf was another fake all-rounder, he batted like a tail-ender fro like his first 3 years of international cricket, it's only in 2021 that he truly became a proper all-rounder with great batting performances in test format. However, his batting in LOI is still awful.

However, this so-called "All-rounder" Muhammad Wasim Jr, looks a much worse batsman than Shahdab, Faheem and maybe even Hassan Ali. He looks like a tail-ender to me.

So the question is, is the Pakistan management even aware of the fact that Muhammad Wasim is basically a tail-ender? because they got fooled by Faheem calling himself an all-rounder for 3 years.

By the way, Khushdil Shah is the same, this guy so useless in all forms of cricket!! forget about international cricket, he is a Leg-side hack in domestic cricket!

But... Just because he had a good PSL and he can bowl, people are probably thinking that he can a reliable ODI all-rounder... :facepalm:
 
Everyone is an all rounder in Pakistan. Just need to hit one six.
 
Kallis, Klusener, Kapil, Imran, Stokes, Yuvi, Razzaq, Afridi were allrounders. Who are these random guys like Wasim, Faheem, Hasan etc. What have they done to be included in the elite list of Kallis and co?
 
Faheem Ashraf was another fake all-rounder, he batted like a tail-ender fro like his first 3 years of international cricket, it's only in 2021 that he truly became a proper all-rounder with great batting performances in test format. However, his batting in LOI is still awful.

However, this so-called "All-rounder" Muhammad Wasim Jr, looks a much worse batsman than Shahdab, Faheem and maybe even Hassan Ali. He looks like a tail-ender to me.

So the question is, is the Pakistan management even aware of the fact that Muhammad Wasim is basically a tail-ender? because they got fooled by Faheem calling himself an all-rounder for 3 years.

By the way, Khushdil Shah is the same, this guy so useless in all forms of cricket!! forget about international cricket, he is a Leg-side hack in domestic cricket!

But... Just because he had a good PSL and he can bowl, people are probably thinking that he can a reliable ODI all-rounder... :facepalm:
Shoaib Malik Shahid Afridi Mohammad Hafeez they've made their career ala fake all rounder mode heck even Imad Wasim has played the same trick so why not M.Wasim Jr.
 
Everyone is an all rounder in Pakistan. Just need to hit one six.

Indeed the list is very long, Sohail Khan is an all rounder, Faheem Ashraf, Amir, Aamer Yamin, Amad butt , wahab riaz are all shaandar zabardast tullaybaaz allrounders Pakistan had :akhtar

Compare that to allrounders from Aus, Eng, India :stokes

Forgot Yasir Shah who has a test 100 in Australia..:rp
 
The guy is trash.

Faheem is far superior to him, but this guy keeps getting selected.
 
I have seen this guy play a few games and he is absolute trash. How he gets in the team ahead of Dhani or Naseem Shah is beyond me.
 
Shoaib Malik Shahid Afridi Mohammad Hafeez they've made their career ala fake all rounder mode heck even Imad Wasim has played the same trick so why not M.Wasim Jr.

Malik, Afridi and Hafeez were genuine all rounders during their peak. There record may not be as good as other all rounder around the world.
 
All-rounders generally in Pakistan are a rare commodity.

We have a lot of bits and pieces cricketers who cannot be classed as genuine all-rounders.

Some also who can bowl but their batting is weak, and others who are batters but not that good with the ball.

A huge problem for Pakistan cricket.
 
All-rounders generally in Pakistan are a rare commodity.

We have a lot of bits and pieces cricketers who cannot be classed as genuine all-rounders.

Some also who can bowl but their batting is weak, and others who are batters but not that good with the ball.

A huge problem for Pakistan cricket.

With waseem everything is weak.
 
Let him play domestic cricket and have him score big runs and take wickets, then we can call him an allrounder. At the moment, he is inexperienced and is pretty much a show off selection from Powerpoint Selector to trick fans into believing as if he's some master strategeist.

Nothing against Wasim atm, not his fault that he was selected too early.
 
To me, it looks like a case of too much too soon.

The lad performed in a couple of matches and before you know it he's picked in various formats for his country.

We have ruined so many players by doing this over the years.
 
Some people wanted this guy in test team as so called bowling all rounder :)))
 
Once again another young bowler rushed into the team and the results are there for everyone to see.

Wasim has only played 7 first class games and 11 list A's. Never will you see teams like Australia, England or India rushing such raw and inexperienced cricketers and yet we keep on throwing ours into the deep end.

Not only does this thinking have a negative impact on our team performance, it also probably results in a complete loss of confidence for the players, especially at such a young age.

Talented or not talented he should at least have 20 FC games under his belt before playing against international batsmen
 
What exactly is the criteria for selection ? Why are T20s being used to determine ODI selections ?

Mohammad Wasim averages 52 per wicket in 11 List A matches !
 
What exactly is the criteria for selection ? Why are T20s being used to determine ODI selections ?

Mohammad Wasim averages 52 per wicket in 11 List A matches !

To be fair, a lot of his LA games came in a season where boundaries could have been cleared by a 7 year old.
 
Let's give him some games who know he might turn out as the second coming of Sir Ian :nasser
 
What exactly is the criteria for selection ? Why are T20s being used to determine ODI selections ?

Mohammad Wasim averages 52 per wicket in 11 List A matches !

Criteria is perform in a match or 2 in the PSL and anything is possible.
 
Think the thread starter may have to explain himself here.
 
The thread starter suggests that Wasim is a fake all rounder because he bats like a tailender. That point still stands. He cannot bowl. If anything, he is a specialist bowler. It is an embarassment to call him an all rounder. Wasim has bowled well to the Australian tail but im not convinced. He will get thrashed by the top order.
 
The thread starter suggests that Wasim is a fake all rounder because he bats like a tailender. That point still stands. He cannot bowl. If anything, he is a specialist bowler. It is an embarassment to call him an all rounder. Wasim has bowled well to the Australian tail but im not convinced. He will get thrashed by the top order.

You need to grow up give credit where’s it due he got carted in his first over and to come back the way he done needs to be praised.

Yes he will get carted around by international team initially but you have to back your players and give them a long run.

He might not be world class yet but I’ve got good eye for talent I spotted him time ago and the same way I said haris Rauf will come good I will put it out there this guy will come good.

He’s got long levers and can smash the ball a long way just needs to polishing simple
 
How many times have you watched him bat? He is good with the old ball and if he can average 20-25 in ODIs, he will be a handy cricketer for us, such immature post and choice of wordings, being an all-rounder is not a certificate or degree which he has bought from somewhere, grow uppp
 
You need to grow up give credit where’s it due he got carted in his first over and to come back the way he done needs to be praised.

Yes he will get carted around by international team initially but you have to back your players and give them a long run.

He might not be world class yet but I’ve got good eye for talent I spotted him time ago and the same way I said haris Rauf will come good I will put it out there this guy will come good.

He’s got long levers and can smash the ball a long way just needs to polishing simple

Get a grip . We haven't seen these "long levers" in any of the games this series or the 10 T20Is he has played. His highest score from these 10 T20Is is 5 :)). His batting is still trash and he bats like a tailender so he cannot be classified as an all rounder at all.

As a specialist bowler, he bowled well to the tail but there are more skilled specialist bowlers than him who are equally as bat with the bat.
 
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He is 20 years old. People need to relax sometimes.

Overall, he's been decent as a bowler, albeit expensive which young players tend to be. How shocking.
 
He does play for Pakistan in his domestic teams as an all rounder. As a bowler he has shown a lot of promise and last two games he has bowled well that too against hard hitting Aistralian batsmen. He does have abulity with bat too, with experience his batting will improve and with age he will be more mature in batting too.
 
He should defiantly be kept on. He was getting good reverse today and Shaun Tait can help him further.
 
He is 20 years old. People need to relax sometimes.

Overall, he's been decent as a bowler, albeit expensive which young players tend to be. How shocking.

He isnt 20 years old Another one whos deflated his age

Hes got a potential as a bowler but he isnt an allrounder or anyone with any potential with the bat His domestic stats reflect that Anybody can get hold of a ball here and there and smack it That doesnt make them into an all rounder

Has he been picked too soon? definitely Lets see how he gets on but i can see him in and out of the team over the next couple of years because at the moment he simply isnt upto intnl standard yet
 
He will bat at 9 once Shadab is back, so the question is which country has pure all-rounders that bat at 9?

No one is claiming that he is an all-rounder, he has just the ability to hit a couple of lusty blows and that's good enough for a no.9 batsman.
 
I back the thread starter on this one. M Wasim is a bowler who can bat at 10 at best.

I disagree he’s a potential bowling all rounder who’s only going to get better if played in all the games and given the right exposure. His batting is not to be underestimated I know it needs work on but he’s got the long levers like weise of Lahore Qalanders
 
He will bat at 9 once Shadab is back, so the question is which country has pure all-rounders that bat at 9?

No one is claiming that he is an all-rounder, he has just the ability to hit a couple of lusty blows and that's good enough for a no.9 batsman.

If Pakistan play 4 fast bowlers then he will be at 8, which is too high for him imo.
 
He isnt 20 years old Another one whos deflated his age

Hes got a potential as a bowler but he isnt an allrounder or anyone with any potential with the bat His domestic stats reflect that Anybody can get hold of a ball here and there and smack it That doesnt make them into an all rounder

Has he been picked too soon? definitely Lets see how he gets on but i can see him in and out of the team over the next couple of years because at the moment he simply isnt upto intnl standard yet

Agreed... his age is most certainly deflated. His face looks aged. No chance he is 20!

Also agree he was picked too soon... he got carted around in his initial overs before he started bowling to the lower order! Needs to bowl more consistent line and length without bowling the typical release delivery before he comes back into the side.
 
After Razzaq and Afridi, the only allrounder in making is Shadab Khan. I would vote to play Naseem Shah in place of Wasim jr and go with 3 specialist pacers.
 
After Razzaq and Afridi, the only allrounder in making is Shadab Khan. I would vote to play Naseem Shah in place of Wasim jr and go with 3 specialist pacers.

Not a bad idea at all but it all depends how good wasim jr turns out to be guys defo got potential but he needs to be persisted with in Odis
 
If Pakistan play 4 fast bowlers then he will be at 8, which is too high for him imo.

1- Why should Pakistan play 4 fast bowlers in ODI team when the next ODI WC is in India?
2- How many ODIs has Waseem played yet to draw this conclusion?

Waseem, Shaheen and Rauf are a pretty good tail and all of them has the ability to hit a couple of lusty blows at the back-end of the innings. But if you want them or Waseem to bat like Stokes or Stoinis, then you are lacking the common sense to understand that they are considered premier all-rounders of their team and they bat at much higher positions. Waseem is considered a bowling all-rounder at best, and he has batted in only 1 ODI yet. So I am not sure that it's a big enough number of match to draw any conclusion about his batting.

If Waseem gets to bat in 10 matches and do not perform in any one of them with the bat, then the management should definitely try someone else, but for now Waseem should get an extended run in the ODI team if he keeps performing with the ball.
 
you guys do not know anything about cricket or know how to pick up a player's ability from their body language and confidence and eye hand coordination.

It was his 3rd ODI game in a pressure match. he bowled full and straight with swing in a very accurate manner...he bowled a maiden

show me any bowler in the last 10 years of odi cricket that has bowled a maiden in their third game!

In second game, he was under the pump and due to lack of experience - he bowled half volleys and off-line.

his general delivery is in-swing - same as ishant sharma or pat cummins...with the wicket taking delivery that holds his line or goes slightly away for caught behinds. i understand that its not psl, but in psl, he bowled over 140 + consistently.
he will be a nightmare in test matches where he can just bowl consistent line and length...we also need a good seamer in tests. he is in faheem mold but a little more pacy and accurate

his action is beautiful, and repeatedly and he's a great athlete.

height is not a problem for him.

he can bat - i understand again people do not count domestic performances, but what else will you look at?

In ODIs, He's a genuine all rounder suited for 8 or 9 - ideally # 8 slot after Shadab at # 7. 1-5 should be batsmen.
In my book when Hasan Ali gets his act together, he should be played # 9, followed by Shaheen and Haris Rauf at 10, and 11. These are your 5 bowlers.

6 should be Khushdil Shah or Asif

Iftikhar at 5 can bowl some overs of off spin along with Babar...remember, we have to make up for hafeez's overs. Iftikhar is experienced and makes it on merit...

The top 4 I do not see changing between Imam, Fakhar, Babar and Rizwan...

This is a very competitive line for ODI batting where the top 4-5 bat til 35-40 overs and lay a platform of 220-240 runs EASILY (Even RR of 5.5 with risk free cricket is acceptable), and then depending on the wickets left, can score 100-150 plus in the last 10-15 overs T20 style.

This will result in 300+ scores every single time...more often than not 330 plus, which will be very difficult to defend with our bowling line up.

That is Pakistan's style, and it suits us. We are not England that will score 450 one day and 120 the next day. We are not Australia who play pull shots on good length deliveries, and we are not as gifted as Indian batsmen overall.

we have to come up with our own set of guidelines to play ODI cricket

our template needs to be different yet modern that is comfortable for us.
 
Slated to bat at 7 today and already you can see pakistan consolidating with such a long tail
 
Almost 5 overs to go. He will surely get another chance today when Asif/Khushdil inevitably get out so we will get another look at how much of a tailender he is very soon…
 
I guess they are aware hes fake as hasan n shaheen have come out before him
 
I guess they are aware hes fake as hasan n shaheen have come out before him
Came to post this too :))). Funny how posters in here were doing Bhangra about him after he took a few wickets when he still is a tailender with the bat. He is simply a specialist bowler and should be treated as one. Anyone thinking he is the new Razzaq or anything similar will soon get a reality check!

Even Usman Qadir is a better batsman.
 
Came to post this too :))). Funny how posters in here were doing Bhangra about him after he took a few wickets when he still is a tailender with the bat. He is simply a specialist bowler and should be treated as one. Anyone thinking he is the new Razzaq or anything similar will soon get a reality check!

Even Usman Qadir is a better batsman.

Razzaq was a pathetic batsmen and a slow biwler
 
Razzaq was a pathetic batsmen and a slow biwler

Mohammad Wasim makes Abdul Razzaq look like Gary Sobers with the bat though! This team would look a lot better with a prime Razzaq in it. And don’t forget that young Razzaq was quite nippy. Touched 140…
 
Travesty to send him soo down the order pakistan is known to destroy players an prime example of destroying ya other player by telling him your a tailender instead of encouraging him shocking management
 
Should have tried Dahani instead of him today, still not convinced by his bowling let alone all rounder
 
Yep glorified tailender , time to invest in a proper bowler instead


He only faced a few baller and 2 of them were Yorkers grow up.

He’s probably the best all rounder Paksitan have had since razzaq and it’s not his fault pakistan management are not smart enough and just want to destroy upcoming talent
 
Yep glorified tailender , time to invest in a proper bowler instead

He’s a top all rounder but Pakistan are destroying his career by making him think he’s a tailender when in fact he’s a proper batter.

Pakistan have destroyed many a career same way they destroyed hammad azams career it’s a fact
 
Superb supporting innings of 2 from 4 balls today.

Clueless batting.
 
What a special delivery to clean up stoinis.. that’s why I rate this guy bowled one similar to clean up babe Azam in the PSL

Sky is the limit for this lad just needs to be backed persistently

Can’t believe hardly anyone rates him on here and I’ve watched cricket for a long time
 
What a special delivery to clean up stoinis.. that’s why I rate this guy bowled one similar to clean up babe Azam in the PSL

Sky is the limit for this lad just needs to be backed persistently

Can’t believe hardly anyone rates him on here and I’ve watched cricket for a long time
His batting is of no 10 and wants to become the best al rounder in the world. You option doesn’t matter considering you want sharjeel over Babar. Doesn’t matter if you have been watching cricket from the 1700s.
 
His batting is of no 10 and wants to become the best al rounder in the world. You option doesn’t matter considering you want sharjeel over Babar. Doesn’t matter if you have been watching cricket from the 1700s.

You will eat your words he’s just bowled another absolute gem to clean up Green

Bowled some ripping Yorkers to West Indies too

He will continue to prove his doubters wrong
 
You will eat your words he’s just bowled another absolute gem to clean up Green

Bowled some ripping Yorkers to West Indies too

He will continue to prove his doubters wrong
Yes just like sharjeel is better then Babar. I hope waseem improve and serves Pakistan for a long time but I think he’s rubbish.
 
Yes just like sharjeel is better then Babar. I hope waseem improve and serves Pakistan for a long time but I think he’s rubbish.

I meant sharjeel is more effective than babar in t20 cricket if this is your only argument I rest my case

deep inside you knows it wasim jr is going to be a good player for pakistan but you will hate him regardless

He’s probably 23 but has got the raw ingredients to be a solid all rounder and you will see it over the coming years if he continues to work hard
 
Hes got potential as a bowler but no way can he bat

At best Hes prob as good as the rest of the bowlers in the team ie hasan ali shaheen qadir etc
 
Well, the case is closed. And successful!:14:

Muhammad Wasim Jr. has good potential as Bowler, (bowled well today against Australia), but he is not an all-rounder, since he is a tail-ender, not a batsman. He does bowl expensive overs more often than not, but it's mainly because he is way too inexperienced, and fast-tracked, at the moment, I will Naseem Shah and Shahnawaz Dahani over him.

And the management has realised this since they sent Shaheen and Hassan Ali before Muahmmad Wasim Jr., plus even Usman Qadir did better way than him. Finally, this management has got one thing right

So this thread is done for now. I guess someone can bump this thread if he ever does become a genuine all-rounder one day.
 
Well, the case is closed. And successful!:14:

Muhammad Wasim Jr. has good potential as Bowler, (bowled well today against Australia), but he is not an all-rounder, since he is a tail-ender, not a batsman. He does bowl expensive overs more often than not, but it's mainly because he is way too inexperienced, and fast-tracked, at the moment, I will Naseem Shah and Shahnawaz Dahani over him.

And the management has realised this since they sent Shaheen and Hassan Ali before Muahmmad Wasim Jr., plus even Usman Qadir did better way than him. Finally, this management has got one thing right

So this thread is done for now. I guess someone can bump this thread if he ever does become a genuine all-rounder one day.

But but but look at Wasim's "long levers"... But but but im sure he can hit the ball far with those levers :)))
 
But but but look at Wasim's "long levers"... But but but im sure he can hit the ball far with those levers :)))

He’s the best we got face it. His long levers are going to do damage around the world
 
Of course they will

What you base all this on i do not know

PSL and domestic performances you can only judge from what you see and don’t turn around and say domestic performances don’t count because they do.

That’s what the criteria is for selection

He’s got long levers and if used properly will do damage

And apparently you all were writing him off as a bowler but after putting in a few stellar performances and bowling at 140 clicks consistently you’ve turned to his batting now

Wonder what you will say when he starts destroying attacks with his long levers hmm 🤔
 
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He’s a bowling all rounder not played an innings of note @ senior level but known to hold is own @ junior level, more of a hitter a clean hitter Hassan Ali level but hopefully will improve
 
He has to justify his place soon otherwise he might end up with the likes of Roonie Irani Mark Ealham Craig White Ian Austin etal
 
He is 20 years old. People need to relax sometimes.

Overall, he's been decent as a bowler, albeit expensive which young players tend to be. How shocking.

You really think that he is 20 years old? Just like Afridi was 16 when he started and Naseem Shah is 18 now. Iftikhar, a 36 year old is playing as 31.
 
Team knows that's why he batted at #10 after Shaheen and Hasan Ali.
 
PSL and domestic performances you can only judge from what you see and don’t turn around and say domestic performances don’t count because they do.

That’s what the criteria is for selection

He’s got long levers and if used properly will do damage

And apparently you all were writing him off as a bowler but after putting in a few stellar performances and bowling at 140 clicks consistently you’ve turned to his batting now

Wonder what you will say when he starts destroying attacks with his long levers hmm ��
the guy has played 3 games...batted in maybe 1.

thats not even an adequate sample size to determine skill
 
This tag might end up costing him his place in the team. He hasn't really delivered anything with the bat. Bowling ok though.
 
You really think that he is 20 years old? Just like Afridi was 16 when he started and Naseem Shah is 18 now. Iftikhar, a 36 year old is playing as 31.

I keep hearing Pakistan cricket has solved all that with bone scans etc. Is that not true?

Looking at at this guys List A/FC record I can't see why he is selected- was he a star at u19 level or something? Asian nations seem to attach prestige to junior age tournaments that are basically ignored as selection grounds in Oz until/unless you perform significantly in the Shield or on an A tour or something.
 
Fans need to be patient with young players as far as the trajectory is right. Wasim Jr was one of the best pacers in the LOI series vs Aus in my opinion and was bowling consistently high 130s early 140s kph. His action allows for the ball to reverse in the middle overs and when he gets it right its a handy weapon in the middle overs.

Even if someone is coming to the national team with good amount of domestic experience he still needs some experience. Wasim Jr on the other hand is coming without even much domestic experience.

His batting is pretty one dimensional as of now and needs a lot of improvement to even be a decent bowling all rounder. Has showed some basic potential here and there but, a lot of work is required on his batting.
 
I keep hearing Pakistan cricket has solved all that with bone scans etc. Is that not true?

Looking at at this guys List A/FC record I can't see why he is selected- was he a star at u19 level or something? Asian nations seem to attach prestige to junior age tournaments that are basically ignored as selection grounds in Oz until/unless you perform significantly in the Shield or on an A tour or something.

Valid question regarding age issue and bone scans. I think the issue has improved to an extent in the last decade however, even bone scans have a variance of around an year or two. I personally feel that the issue has improved a lot from the players who came into the structure in the decades of 2000s and before where the fudging was 5 or even more years in some cases but, now the its down to the variance which possibly even the bone scans cant fully determine with general different around 1-2 years in any such cases. However, this much amount of variance is an issue in sub continent as a whole.

Coming to Wasim Jr's selection its down to him impressing KPK management in his debut domestic season 2020-21 and then performing in the subsequent PSL 2021. So it was more to do with his domestic and league impressions then his U19 days. Yes Pakistan cricket has the tendency to get them in young and then groom them by keeping them with the team and giving them opportunities where possible. This recent tendency in the last 5-6 years has been mainly due to a huge vacuum of pipeline talent which the national team faced in the especially in the years of 2012-2016 when 3 players got banned in 2010, action legality becoming a thing and number of other reasons including injuries to players like Gul, Junaid, Haris Sohail around the same period and no cricket at home contributing as well. PSL was a breath of fresh air for Pakistan cricket in 2016 and definitely helped with the overall cricket dynamic. To make up for the vacuum Pak has been pushing some players in the national team a bit early, be it Shaheen, Shadab, Hasnian, Naseem, Haider, Wasim etc. Things have started to look bit better and hopefully in next couple of years we will see more time being given to young ones at domestic level before transitioning them to the national team as that should be the process which is followed by other teams as well.
 
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Valid question regarding age issue and bone scans. I think the issue has improved to an extent in the last decade however, even bone scans have a variance of around an year or two. I personally feel that the issue has improved a lot from the players who came into the structure in the decades of 2000s and before where the fudging was 5 or even more years in some cases but, now the its down to the variance which possibly even the bone scans cant fully determine with general different around 1-2 years in any such cases. However, this much amount of variance is an issue in sub continent as a whole.

Coming to Wasim Jr's selection its down to him impressing KPK management in his debut domestic season 2020-21 and then performing in the subsequent PSL 2021. So it was more to do with his domestic and league impressions then his U19 days. Yes Pakistan cricket has the tendency to get them in young and then groom them by keeping them with the team and giving them opportunities where possible. This recent tendency in the last 5-6 years has been mainly due to a huge vacuum of pipeline talent which the national team faced in the especially in the years of 2012-2016 when 3 players got banned in 2010, action legality becoming a thing and number of other reasons including injuries to players like Gul, Junaid, Haris Sohail around the same period and no cricket at home contributing as well. PSL was a breath of fresh air for Pakistan cricket in 2016 and definitely helped with the overall cricket dynamic. To make up for the vacuum Pak has been pushing some players in the national team a bit early, be it Shaheen, Shadab, Hasnian, Naseem, Haider, Wasim etc. Things have started to look bit better and hopefully in next couple of years we will see more time being given to young ones at domestic level before transitioning them to the national team as that should be the process which is followed by other teams as well.

Quality post/response- thank you.
 
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