Islam and slavery

[miandadrules]

Is there any modern day nation where slavery is sanctioned currently as per the founding fathers of the faith? There was ISIS of course, but they weren't officially recognised as such by the rest of the world. Iran Perhaps? Pakistan? Kuwait?

As predicted you have tried to derail analysis without even having the decency of reading the premise of the thread.

The opening post addresses Islam condoning slavery. Subsequently that pathetic article which reignited the discussion tried to justify it.

So this is theological discussion and an analysis of the morality of those who espoused such practiceses. In this context what relevance does your post have? Unless you are claiming that it was Islam that was at the vanguard of the emancipation movement?

If you want to discuss modern day slavery and how states are implicit in the practice then feel free to open a thread and I'll show you how rampant the practice is in Pakistan. That, however isn't a theological issue.

But of course with you being so well read up on the topic you must already be more than aware of it.

 

[miandadrules]

Really? So there are some people who agree on religious scripts in the last thousand plus years and others who don't? Yes, I think that's probably a fair assessment.

There are Muslims who believe God and his final messenger were flawed?

 

[miandadrules]

Never mind history, this concept of being divine, or having direct links to divinity, still exists even in the most Western and liberalised societies.

Heck, the Queen (and the future King when she dies or abdicates) is the Queen and Head of State, and Head of the Church of England, on the basis that she has been 'appointed by God'. And thus why the National Anthem is "God save the Queen"

The other interesting analogy with Cyrus is that his subjects also thought he was the embodiment of perfection. Every effort was made to imitate him.

Sound familiar?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As predicted you have tried to derail analysis without even having the decency of reading the premise of the thread.

The opening post addresses Islam condoning slavery. Subsequently that pathetic article which reignited the discussion tried to justify it.

So this is theological discussion and an analysis of the morality of those who espoused such practiceses. In this context what relevance does your post have? Unless you are claiming that it was Islam that was at the vanguard of the emancipation movement?

If you want to discuss modern day slavery and how states are implicit in the practice then feel free to open a thread and I'll show you how rampant the practice is in Pakistan. That, however isn't a theological issue.

But of course with you being so well read up on the topic you must already be more than aware of it.

I would suggest that a thread on modern day slavery would serve a more useful purpose so why don't you go ahead and open a thread on it? I always find those discussions more useful than discussing texts from 1400 years ago. Child labour is a blight in Pakistan for example, but we don't discuss it much on here.

 

[Black Zero]

I would suggest that a thread on modern day slavery would serve a more useful purpose so why don't you go ahead and open a thread on it? I always find those discussions more useful than discussing texts from 1400 years ago. Child labour is a blight in Pakistan for example, but we don't discuss it much on here.

Totally agree.

However Muslims should also condensed the wrongdoings of past, just few words would be enough to move on.

Let Al Azhar, Najaf And Media University make a small statement.

 

[Muhammad10]

Kindly stay on topic. This is not a thread for political discussions.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Totally agree.

However Muslims should also condensed the wrongdoings of past, just few words would be enough to move on.

Let Al Azhar, Najaf And Media University make a small statement.

By all means, but I live in the UK and no one here would even have heard of those Universities. So they could make whatever statement they liked, no one cares. Over here the Universities that count as prestigious are Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard and Yale.

 

[Black Zero]

By all means, but I live in the UK and no one here would even have heard of those Universities. So they could make whatever statement they liked, no one cares. Over here the Universities that count as prestigious are Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard and Yale.

IMO, you are underestimating the awareness of west about Islam and Muslims.

even if you disagree

, western media would publish it, if my mentioned institutes acknowledge the wrong doings and apologize for those atrocities.

It may also start a new era for Muslims as (as you suggested) would stop looking in past for guidance and focus on present and past.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Islamic history had the longest unbroken history of slave trade in the world. It was only abolished in the Middle East in 20th century. Famous Islamic empires like Abbasid empire routinely raided Central Asia, captured Turkic tribes and took them to Middle East as slaves.
Coming to India, hundreds and thousands of Indian slaves were taken from northern part of India and sold in the central Asian markets of Bukhara. Their status was the lowest as they were Kafirs and were targets of enslavement. They worked as artisans, laborers and in agriculture and plantations. The slavery of Indians reached its peak with the arrival of Turkic invaders, Delhi Sultanate and even under Mughal rule.
Bollywood glorifies these slave traders and made movies and what not.

World only talks about the African transatlantic slave trade. But they conveniently ignore the much worse East African-Arabia slave trade. Many men were castrated in inhumane ways and women were put into menial jobs and sex slaves.

Many posters here shed rivers of tears for the fate of Dalits who were not allowed into Temples and the subsequent discrimination. But they never discuss this slavery which is the worst treatment one ever gives to his fellow human being.

 

[Vikram1989]

This is one more damning article.

It forcibly removed millions of Africans from their homeland, subjecting them to brutal conditions while they laboured in foreign lands.

Scholars have referred to it as a "veiled genocide," a term reflecting the extreme humiliation and near-death experiences endured by the enslaved, from their capture in slave markets to their forced labour abroad and the harrowing journeys in between.

Forgotten slavery: The Arab-Muslim slave trade | FairPlanet

Global discourse on slavery has mostly focused on the Trans-Atlantic trade, leaving another equally significant trade largely ignored and sometimes even treated as taboo.

www.fairplanet.org

 

[rpant_gabba]

This is one more damning article.

It forcibly removed millions of Africans from their homeland, subjecting them to brutal conditions while they laboured in foreign lands.

Scholars have referred to it as a "veiled genocide," a term reflecting the extreme humiliation and near-death experiences endured by the enslaved, from their capture in slave markets to their forced labour abroad and the harrowing journeys in between.

Forgotten slavery: The Arab-Muslim slave trade | FairPlanet

Global discourse on slavery has mostly focused on the Trans-Atlantic trade, leaving another equally significant trade largely ignored and sometimes even treated as taboo.

www.fairplanet.org

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