It's unfair to expect Umesh Yadav to become a quality strike bowler

[Slog]

OR Indian fast bowlers in general.

Most great bowlers build their career by using their success in home conditions as a base and then performing all over the world. It is very rare for a bowler to become an overseas specialist. Ofcourse the degree of reliance on a bowler changes depending on where they are playing but you can't expect a bowler to have little backing and opportunity at home and then expect him to turn up in some away venues where the conditions are conducive to his type of bowling.

Now Indian fast bowlers are a special case. In the first Test against SA they only got 1 wicket and did not bowl too many overs either. In the first innings only Yadav got to use the new ball and in the second innings, neither pacers got to open the bowling. The problem is that by and large Test pitches in India are spin friendly and the only debate is how much of a turner they are.

But the issue is the over reliance on spinners by the Indian team management whereby if the pitch is offering a hint of spin assistance, the fast bowlers are left as orphans and no one gives two hoots about them. And ofcourse the problem comes when the team management is actively demanding raging turners.

So given the nature of the pitches, India obviously not only plays a lot of spinners but also ends up having a large chunk of the overs bowled by them And invariably like in this game, the new ball may also not be given to the pacers which is criminal imo.

When India go abroad and their pacers get smashed all around the fans, media and sometimes even the team management criticizes them to no ends. However the question is that how can you expect your pacers to perform abroad when they are not given the confidence or the backing by the team management to first succeed at home.

I am not advocating making seaming or bouncy pitches. To be frank I am not even asking for more sporting pitches either instead of this one which looked like a fifth day pitch on the morning of the start of the test match. All I am saying that it is an unfair expectation on the Indian fans' part that there fast bowlers will succeed abroad when neither the pitches nor the the team management plans give them a chance for success at home.

Discuss.

(Btw in a round about way I think this is also the reason why Saffers dont produce quality spinners)

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

But domestic pitches are getting better for pacers?

But your core point is right. I was wondering the same.

I feel better domestic pitches (more bounce and not green) with current international pitches (mixed in with sporting tracks) should be ideal.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I think here's what we should be doing ideally (not that we will be doing it):

1. Setup some 5-10 pitches in India that resemble all of the world's pitches. More or less.

2. Identify the top 30 pacers in the country based on potential and rank them on tiers and TELL them which tier they are in and have a constant ranking process for players to move up or down in tiers. The top 3-4 pacers in Tier 1 gets picked for national squads.

3. Assemble teams with the best quality domestic batsmen and play tournaments on these specific pitches at different points of the year.

This way the best domestic batsmen will meet the best domestic bowlers ON ALL KINDS OF TRACKS all year round.

Will help all improve.

 

[IndianWillow]

Pacers need to do several A tours before they are drafted into the Indian side. Even after getting into Indian side, they need to train/play overseas in between tours. Kapil Dev had it far worse (in terms of pace/pitches/conditions/money/support bowlers etc) compared to these modern pacers, yet he was a much better bowler because he played county cricket. Let India play to its strength - spin pitches are ok at home. But pacers need to practice outside also, and not just during tours.

 

[zabalestmsm]

I dont think so. He averages above 30 in FC with the ball. So most probably he will end up with an average of above 30 in Test cricket as well with the ball even if u give him many overs etc. India must give up their obsession with pace. Pace aint everything. If a bowler aint averaging good, whats the use of his pace then overall?

 

[Monsee]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION], BTW, I did put this point across in one of the threads and you basically disagreed with me in totalitt. My point was that now they have two young and fast bowlers, yet they come up with a wicket that will not give them any hope especially given the fact that Ashwin was starting the bowling instead of one of them!

My lawayers will be contacting you soon about this open plaigrism, you shouyld have quoted me somehwre in the OP

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION], BTW, I did put this point across in one of the threads and you basically disagreed with me in totalitt. My point was that now they have two young and fast bowlers, yet they come up with a wicket that will not give them any hope especially given the fact that Ashwin was starting the bowling instead of one of them!

My lawayers will be contacting you soon about this open plaigrism, you shouyld have quoted me somehwre in the OP

Haha maybe but I have seen the light now

I'm not really bashing India here. I'm saying that it's ridiculous to expect the fast bowlers to develop with these strategies and then they shouldn't be criticised when they don't take charge abroad. You can't have It both ways. Also I think you were calling for pace friendly pitches whereas I am talking more about team strategy and use of fast bowlers.

 

[Cricket lover 27]

I dont think so. He averages above 30 in FC with the ball. So most probably he will end up with an average of above 30 in Test cricket as well with the ball even if u give him many overs etc. India must give up their obsession with pace. Pace aint everything. If a bowler aint averaging good, whats the use of his pace then overall?

While these averages most of the times do indicate how well you will do in international cricket but they are not the be all end all of your caliber. For instance Rahat Ali averages 24-25 in FC but 36 in international and Rabada averages 30 in List A but till now is averaging 22 in ODI's.

 

[zabalestmsm]

While these averages most of the times do indicate how well you will do in international cricket but they are not the be all end all of your caliber. For instance Rahat Ali averages 24-25 in FC but 36 in international and Rabada averages 30 in List A but till now is averaging 22 in ODI's.

I havent said its the ultimate standard. Well lets see if Rabada can maintain under 23 average in ODIs. I dont think so.

 

[Cricket lover 27]

I havent said its the ultimate standard. Well lets see if Rabada can maintain under 23 average in ODIs. I dont think so.

Yeah Rabada's sample size is small I do agree but still he has had a great start to his career.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Yeah Rabada's sample size is small I do agree but still he has had a great start to his career.

Yup lets see.

 

[Monsee]

Haha maybe but I have seen the light now

I'm not really bashing India here. I'm saying that it's ridiculous to expect the fast bowlers to develop with these strategies and then they shouldn't be criticised when they don't take charge abroad. You can't have It both ways. Also I think you were calling for pace friendly pitches whereas I am talking more about team strategy and use of fast bowlers.

Nope, I did not call for any such pitches, just condemned the general lack of support of 'Phaast Bowlers' when they finally not one but two...if Ashwin and Spinner continue leading and opening the bowling, my avatar might be a true refelction of Indian team again, in no time

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

India has no culture of fast bowling and they would never have good fast bowlers. Its a sad truth for indian fans and cricket in general. But we all should accept that.

Turners are a poor excuse. Pakistani fast bowlers heck the shabby current ones take wickets on dead pitches but yadav and co. cant buy any wickets. Even tho they are the fastest india has produced so far.

The dream of indians being good at fast bowling is just a dream and forever will be.

 

[EliteCynical]

But domestic pitches are getting better for pacers?

But your core point is right. I was wondering the same.

I feel better domestic pitches (more bounce and not green) with current international pitches (mixed in with sporting tracks) should be ideal.

Not this season I guess. The ones in which saurashtra played were absolute minefields, which explains Jaddu's figures.

 

[EliteCynical]

OR Indian fast bowlers in general.

Most great bowlers build their career by using their success in home conditions as a base and then performing all over the world. It is very rare for a bowler to become an overseas specialist. Ofcourse the degree of reliance on a bowler changes depending on where they are playing but you can't expect a bowler to have little backing and opportunity at home and then expect him to turn up in some away venues where the conditions are conducive to his type of bowling.

Now Indian fast bowlers are a special case. In the first Test against SA they only got 1 wicket and did not bowl too many overs either. In the first innings only Yadav got to use the new ball and in the second innings, neither pacers got to open the bowling. The problem is that by and large Test pitches in India are spin friendly and the only debate is how much of a turner they are.

But the issue is the over reliance on spinners by the Indian team management whereby if the pitch is offering a hint of spin assistance, the fast bowlers are left as orphans and no one gives two hoots about them. And ofcourse the problem comes when the team management is actively demanding raging turners.

So given the nature of the pitches, India obviously not only plays a lot of spinners but also ends up having a large chunk of the overs bowled by them And invariably like in this game, the new ball may also not be given to the pacers which is criminal imo.

When India go abroad and their pacers get smashed all around the fans, media and sometimes even the team management criticizes them to no ends. However the question is that how can you expect your pacers to perform abroad when they are not given the confidence or the backing by the team management to first succeed at home.

I am not advocating making seaming or bouncy pitches. To be frank I am not even asking for more sporting pitches either instead of this one which looked like a fifth day pitch on the morning of the start of the test match. All I am saying that it is an unfair expectation on the Indian fans' part that there fast bowlers will succeed abroad when neither the pitches nor the the team management plans give them a chance for success at home.

Discuss.

(Btw in a round about way I think this is also the reason why Saffers dont produce quality spinners)

Fair point. Here is my honest assessment of Umesh's case. I think, one of the main reasons we lost the 2012 series against England because of Umesh breaking down after the first test. He bowled beautifully in the first test and got some of the best reverse swing I have seen from an Indian Pacer.

After that injury, he was just not the same guy anymore. He may have built some upper body strength and gained pace, but unfortunately, that has screwed his consistency.

I honestly think BCCI should consider player swap with say SA for atleast one of their domestic seasons. It would be great to see Umesh or Bhuvi playing for Natal and say Simon harmer playing for UP for one season. Would do a world of difference. The reason I say player swap is because, I don't think some of the players would get a county contract.

 

[Zak_Fan]

India has no culture of fast bowling and they would never have good fast bowlers. Its a sad truth for indian fans and cricket in general. But we all should accept that.

Turners are a poor excuse. Pakistani fast bowlers heck the shabby current ones take wickets on dead pitches but yadav and co. cant buy any wickets. Even tho they are the fastest india has produced so far.

The dream of indians being good at fast bowling is just a dream and forever will be.

Because they don't get enough overs. How are they supposed to take wickets if they are bowling 7-8 overs in the match?

On neutral venues like Lanka or Bangladesh, the same pacers have out-bowled the current Pakistani pacers quite easily. Even in India, they have come up with match-winning performances quite often.

 

[Pak Warrior]

You can make all the green yellow blue orange and purple pitches with pace bounce etc you want in india. It won't change a thing, the culture doesn't care about fast bowling. They want to make 100s and double and triple 100s...that's the way it is. They are obsessed with fast bowling only because it's wanting something you don't have. The amount of training hardwork and sacrifice that goes into not only becoming a fast bowler, but becoming one that is recognized in the world arena as top top class is something the Indians just don't have the stomach for

 

[Sachin136]

India has no culture of fast bowling and they would never have good fast bowlers. Its a sad truth for indian fans and cricket in general. But we all should accept that.

Turners are a poor excuse. Pakistani fast bowlers heck the shabby current ones take wickets on dead pitches but yadav and co. cant buy any wickets. Even tho they are the fastest india has produced so far.

The dream of indians being good at fast bowling is just a dream and forever will be.

Yadav - 48 wickets in 16 matches at a strike rate of 54

Yeah, they can't buy a wicket.

 

[Junaids]

Mentorship is everything.

Under Waqar Younis' wise tutelage:

1) Rahat Ali has become an international class quick bowler.

2) Wahab Riaz has become an even better left-arm enforcer.

3) Imran Khan has gone from being a club quality medium pacer to being a Second Grade quality medium pacer.

But India has no such role models at their disposal.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not this season I guess. The ones in which saurashtra played were absolute minefields, which explains Jaddu's figures.

That was one pitch. There was another where Unadkat was wreaking havoc.

 

[IndianWillow]

Mentorship is everything.

Under Waqar Younis' wise tutelage:

1) Rahat Ali has become an international class quick bowler.

2) Wahab Riaz has become an even better left-arm enforcer.

3) Imran Khan has gone from being a club quality medium pacer to being a Second Grade quality medium pacer.

But India has no such role models at their disposal.

Indian bowlers were trained by no lesser than bowlers like Lillee and McGrath at the MRF pace foundation. Lack of facilities, training or models used to be the reason India did not produce a stream of great bowlers before 1990. But this logic does not hold good now. The likely reasons appear to be

1. Indian bowlers aren't treated like batsmen. They are treated as "lesser citizens" by the public.
2. Modern Indian fast bowlers are a pampered lot - they are making millions as soon as they make their debut and thus they are not motivated to become world class which requires continuous hard work and commitment throughout the career. The stagnation in Indian pace bowlers once they make it to the elite stage should be obvious to everyone who follows the game.
3. Unhelpful low wickets at home have made pace bowler's profession miserable and highly injury prone. A line and length bowler like Vinay Kumar and a speed demon like Aaron cannot be differentiated under Indian conditions because of the nature of the wickets - Aaron gets no assistance from the wicket inspite of his extra pace, so why would Indian bowlers prefer to be Aaron and not the gentle military medium Vinay Kumar? The so called greentop in domestic matches do not favour bowlers who hit the deck hard and equally rewards trundlers and genuine pacers. This is why Indian pace bowlers need to train abroad, play county, go on A tours etc where they will be better rewarded for their pace.

 

[Yossarian]

Even though India has produced some great bowlers in the past (eg Bedi, Kumble), it is always the Tendulkar's, Dravid's, Gavaskar's, Sehwag's ... that fans / commentators talk about. Kapil only enters the discussions because he was an all rounder. Had he just been a specialist bowler but an average tailender as a batsman, he too would not feature in most discussions.

Even today, compare the media profile of crrent Indian batsmen versus current Indian bowlers.

In contrast, discussions on Pakistan cricket usually revolve around the Waqar's, Wasim's, Akhtar's, Imran Khan's (bowling wise) ... with the Miandad's, Inzimam's, Saeed Anwar's, Zaheer Abbas's almost an afterthought.

 

[Yossarian]

Indian bowlers were trained by no lesser than bowlers like Lillee and McGrath at the MRF pace foundation. Lack of facilities, training or models used to be the reason India did not produce a stream of great bowlers before 1990. But this logic does not hold good now. The likely reasons appear to be

1. Indian bowlers aren't treated like batsmen. They are treated as "lesser citizens" by the public.
2. Modern Indian fast bowlers are a pampered lot - they are making millions as soon as they make their debut and thus they are not motivated to become world class which requires continuous hard work and commitment throughout the career. The stagnation in Indian pace bowlers once they make it to the elite stage should be obvious to everyone who follows the game.
3. Unhelpful low wickets at home have made pace bowler's profession miserable and highly injury prone. A line and length bowler like Vinay Kumar and a speed demon like Aaron cannot be differentiated under Indian conditions because of the nature of the wickets - Aaron gets no assistance from the wicket inspite of his extra pace, so why would Indian bowlers prefer to be Aaron and not the gentle military medium Vinay Kumar? The so called greentop in domestic matches do not favour bowlers who hit the deck hard and equally rewards trundlers and genuine pacers. This is why Indian pace bowlers need to train abroad, play county, go on A tours etc where they will be better rewarded for their pace.

I agree with points 1 & 2, but not the highlighted part in point 3.

Pakistani fast bowlers, including the likes of Fazal Mahmood, Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz, the two W's, Akhtar, Asif, Amir, and now Wahab have always had to cope with flat dead wickets in Pakistan. And yet they still manage to overcome all that and rise to become great bowlers.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Yadav - 48 wickets in 16 matches at a strike rate of 54

Yeah, they can't buy a wicket.

Have some dignity. Having an average of 39 and defending it is shameful.

 

[IndianWillow]

I agree with points 1 & 2, but not the highlighted part in point 3.

Pakistani fast bowlers, including the likes of Fazal Mahmood, Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz, the two W's, Akhtar, Asif, Amir, and now Wahab have always had to cope with flat dead wickets in Pakistan. And yet they still manage to overcome all that and rise to become great bowlers.

The current problem with domestic wickets in India is not dead wicket. These are wickets that aid fast bowling but they do not reward good fast bowlers. Trundlers can be very successful on these wickets so they wouldn't put in that extra effort to become great bowlers.

 

[sandsaims]

The obsession with india needs to end.

 

[90MPH]

The obsession with india needs to end.

And so does your obsession about Pakistan.

 

[Thivagar]

Indian bowlers were trained by no lesser than bowlers like Lillee and McGrath at the MRF pace foundation. .

Not really, they aren't always there when they need them.

 

[Slog]

Indian bowlers were trained by no lesser than bowlers like Lillee and McGrath at the MRF pace foundation.

To be honest some inquiry should be held into it. Its been siphoning off money with nothing to show for years

 

[Slog]

'Out of 50 South African wickets, only two went to Varun Aaron, while Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav are still wicketless.'

 

[Raw deal]

'Out of 50 South African wickets, only two went to Varun Aaron, while Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav are still wicketless.'

fast bowlers didn't get much overs.

 

[Slog]

fast bowlers didn't get much overs.

my point exactly.

how do you expect them to develop and perform?

 

[Raw deal]

my point exactly.

how do you expect them to develop and perform?

on sporting tracks maybe.. Ishant did brilliantly in Srilanka couple of months back.

 

[Statsman]

The way we are going we will soon have no good pace bowlers in domestic cricket and will be losing all our away series....one sec...wait...

 

[Slog]

The rebirth of Yadav under Kohli captaincy has been great to see

Numbers may not support the claim but he is a proper strike bowler

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Earlier Yadav used to be good but not pick enough wickets.

But now he does both.

Numbers for this series do support the claim that he is a proper strike bowler.

17 wickets at an average of 23 at 45 SR.

The highest wickets taken by a Indian pacer in a home test series (of max 4 tests). Javagal Srinath took 17 wickets against SA in 3 tests. Same as Yadav.

If only Ash hadn't dropped his catch...Yadav's numbers would have read 18 wickets at 21 average at 42 SR.

The best part about Yadav is he REMAINS fit.

Touchwood.

 

[Vayuu]

The rebirth of Yadav under Kohli captaincy has been great to see

Numbers may not support the claim but he is a proper strike bowler

And you will see more of that, not just Kohli even rahane likes pacers, the guys I have mentioned mark my words, if given chance you will see even new guys excelling under his leadership coz he wants pace and wickets, no sacrifice bhuvi use to bowl 128-133 with odd bowl upto 135,but under Kohli same bhuvi was clocking 90 mph he was consistently bowling between late 130's to mid 140's and that is heartening to see, if he gains a bit of muscle can easily add another 4-5kphs.

 

[Hasan123]

Good pace and is now getting wickets. I am a fan of his. Good to see him doing well.

Kumar/Ishant depending on conditions
Yadav
Shami

Not a bad attack, let's see what they can do overseas.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Most wickets by an Indian pacers at home in Tests:

219 - K Dev (119 Innings)
108 - J Srinath (57 Innings)
104 - Z Khan (70 Innings)
104 - I Sharma (77 Innings)
101 - U Yadav (64 Innings)
77 - K Ghavri (50 Innings)
76 - Mohd Shami (42 Innings)

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India has no culture of fast bowling and they would never have good fast bowlers. Its a sad truth for indian fans and cricket in general. But we all should accept that.

Turners are a poor excuse. Pakistani fast bowlers heck the shabby current ones take wickets on dead pitches but yadav and co. cant buy any wickets. Even tho they are the fastest india has produced so far.

The dream of indians being good at fast bowling is just a dream and forever will be.

That dream has more than a hint of reality compared to the pipe dream of Shehzad ever having any talent.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Did well at home with his reverse swing

Flopped in overseas due to lack of discipline

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India's real fast bowling trail blazer was Ishant Sharma.

He was ridiculed but came back strongly.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

He had the ingradients to succed. he could have been a good reverse swinging bowler. Somehow he lacked the absolute burning fire to go beyond himself, somehow he was easily satisfied with a few good performances here and there and has thrown away his talent to achieve greater heights. With L Sivramakrishnan in the 80's i 'd probably list him as the guy who never did justice to even half his talents

 

[nish_mate]

Mentorship is everything.

Under Waqar Younis' wise tutelage:

1) Rahat Ali has become an international class quick bowler.

2) Wahab Riaz has become an even better left-arm enforcer.

3) Imran Khan has gone from being a club quality medium pacer to being a Second Grade quality medium pacer.

But India has no such role models at their disposal.

With such role models at their disposal how did PCT lose to BD of all teams at home?

What happened to the role model mate, beard came in the way?

As always your comments provide light comedy with erroneous content.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

With such role models at their disposal how did PCT lose to BD of all teams at home?

What happened to the role model mate, beard came in the way?

As always your comments provide light comedy with erroneous content.

It took you 9 years to respond to his post. Were you holding out all these years, just waiting for Bangladesh to finally beat Pakistan at home before replying?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It took you 9 years to respond to his post. Were you holding out all these years, just waiting for Bangladesh to finally beat Pakistan at home before replying?

Yeah, exactly, he waited too long.

There were several opportunities earlier like England thrashing Pak by 3-0, Sri Lanka beating Pak in Uae , Nz beating them in UAE, Indian Americans making a mockery of them.

 

[dubeTheGoat]

Have to hand it to Umesh. He came back well in the later half

 

[charlie007]

It took you 9 years to respond to his post. Were you holding out all these years, just waiting for Bangladesh to finally beat Pakistan at home before replying?

He gave enough time for Waqar Younis’s tutelage to take effect otherwise he would have seen you come to defend WY with a fervor. So much for tutelage and so much for Junaids foresight.
These days are not fun now, are they?

 

[nish_mate]

It took you 9 years to respond to his post. Were you holding out all these years, just waiting for Bangladesh to finally beat Pakistan at home before replying?

Nope it got bumped up and responded, don't live and breathe on this forum to track years months days hours etc...you might though

 

[pratiktc]

The fact that Umesh Yadav will leave Test cricket with better wicket count than any Pakistan bowler who made his debut after 2000 is plain wild and shows what depths PCT has sunk to.

 

[AMSS]

It took you 9 years to respond to his post. Were you holding out all these years, just waiting for Bangladesh to finally beat Pakistan at home before replying?

It's the best way to reply. You won't get it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Did he get arrested or soemthing? Lol I don't think anyone remotely discusses about him.

 

[AMSS]

Pakistan has not had a bowler of Umesh Yadav's calibre in last 25 years.

 

[Hikaru]

A lot of nations would kill to have even a washed up Umesh Yadav today. Might atleast save some home humiliations.

 

[big_gamer007]

India's real fast bowling trail blazer was Ishant Sharma.

He was ridiculed but came back strongly.

He went to play county and came back a much better bowler similar to how Wasim, Waqar, Zaheer Khan, Yousuf Youhana etc all were groomed into world beaters after their county stint.

Unfortunately, in today’s world the money is in leagues and not county so players go play random T20 leagues and never reach their full potential.

 

[BouncerGuy]

No personal remarks here. Please stay on topic.

 

[giri26]

Did well at home with his reverse swing

Flopped in overseas due to lack of discipline

He hardly played overseas, so hard to judge him. Some of the Tests were at the start of his career where he had pace but no control. When he improved and started bowling better, he was mostly used at home as India had Shami, Siraj and Bumrah. Thakur played as the 4th seamer due to his batting.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Umesh was an other bowler who had pace but he did not use the brain with it. Played mostly at home. Failed overseas.

Still was an okaish bowler. Nothing too extra-ordinary about him.

 

[RyanRyan10]

He hardly played overseas, so hard to judge him. Some of the Tests were at the start of his career where he had pace but no control. When he improved and started bowling better, he was mostly used at home as India had Shami, Siraj and Bumrah. Thakur played as the 4th seamer due to his batting.

49 wickets in 16 tests @39.24

That's poor. No amount of mental Gymnastic can deny that.

 

[kron]

49 wickets in 16 tests @39.24

That's poor. No amount of mental Gymnastic can deny that.

But he has pace. Pace is pace yaarr

 

[RyanRyan10]

But he has pace. Pace is pace yaarr

fans like you need to educate our fans on pace bowling. They get carried away seeing someone bowling at Express pace. Umesh, Varun, Saini and now Umran, all have been overhyped. Some had even claimed Umesh was better than Bumrah on this forum not long ago.

 

[NishanKonar]

India's real fast bowling trail blazer was Ishant Sharma.

He was ridiculed but came back strongly.

SO true. Was genuinely quick in his 1st year in test crikcet - regularly clocked 150 kph in his debut series against Australia & hurried the likes of Ponting / Hayden / Hussey with pace

But after that he turned into a medium pace workhorse till 2015. Then got a 2nd life under Virat Kohli

Umesh Yadav ( & Varun Aaron ) bowled quick & maintained their high pace for a fairly longer period. So Umesh Yadav is for me the 1st genuine fast bowler from India

 

[NishanKonar]

49 wickets in 16 tests @39.24

That's poor. No amount of mental Gymnastic can deny that.

Was fairly good in home tests - with reverse swing. I guess did some work on the ball !