Have Sajid Khan & Noman Ali’s performance proved that Ravichandran Ashwin & Ravindra Jadeja are nothing special?

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan Spinner Sajid Khan Addresses Media After Day 1 of the Third Test Between Pakistan and England:

"Noman Ali is very experienced, and he guides me a lot. I enjoy bowling with him."

 

[mominsaigol]

Why should they be when Warne and almost every other Australian player have enough boot lickers who have abbufied them in the recent past?

Cause they are the true abu's of cricket. India don't belong in that class.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Ashwin and Jadeja are not better than Kuldeep, Axar and Washington. They are just lucky to play more.

Pragyan OJha was very unlucky to have been dumped around 2013 otherwise he would taken 400+ wickets as well on these Indian pitches in the last decade.

I’m neither disputing mor supporting your underlying theme in this post, but making a parallel statement.

Ojha was a chucker and dumped for it.

 

[followed]

Lol some no name washing powder is picking up 7 wickets for fun on indian dustbowls.

These two tests have proved had these Pakistani guys played on these dust bowls they would have been picking up wickets in heaps.
That jadeja guy can't even turn ball on a good wicket and he averages 20 on indian dustbowls

 

[Ab Fan]

Ashwin is among the top 5 bowlers debuted in this millennium while Jadeja is the greatest test all rounder to debut in this millennium. It will take years and years of performance for anyone else to reach Ashwin/ Jadeja level in Tests.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ashwin is among the top 5 bowlers debuted in this millennium while Jadeja is the greatest test all rounder to debut in this millennium. It will take years and years of performance for anyone else to reach Ashwin/ Jadeja level in Tests.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Ashwin is among the top 5 bowlers debuted in this millennium while Jadeja is the greatest test all rounder to debut in this millennium. It will take years and years of performance for anyone else to reach Ashwin/ Jadeja level in Tests.

Just to make sure, you mean millennium as in 1000 years and not month as in 30+ days?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Noman Ali discusses the competition between him and Sajid Khan and refutes any rumors of jealousy.

 

[Ab Fan]

Steyn, Anderson and Ashwin are the top 3 bowlers to debut in this millennium. Additionally, Ashwin got 6 tons too.

Jadeja is best test all rounder since Kallis. Stokes and Shakib are both behind and he has left them in dust with his all round mastery averaging 36 with bat and 24(or 23 maybe) with bowl.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Noman Ali discusses the competition between him and Sajid Khan and refutes any rumors of jealousy.

The Wasim and Waqar of spin bowling.

 

[Ab Fan]

The Wasim and Waqar of spin bowling.

Just like Shaheen and Naseem were next Wasim and Waqar

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Just like Shaheen and Naseem were next Wasim and Waqar

The quote underneath the image is similar to what Wasim and Waqar used to say and how they motivated themselves.

 

[Katwalindian]

Noman Ali discusses the competition between him and Sajid Khan and refutes any rumors of jealousy.

The charisma and Aura in this pic is insane.

 

[JaDed]

Lol all of us always give into this op’s bait.
Sure let’s indulge, if India had Pakistani Roads Karun Nair would had beaten Bradman.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan have finally discovered India's secret recipe .. spin on low slow pitches. Now watch them rack up the home wins

 

[Rajdeep]

Thinking it loud, OP was not wrong. Even Santner and Sundar is picking 7 wickets each on these tracks.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan's golden generation is on the ascent.

India is on long term decline.

Think of this era like the early 2000s.

 

[Mamoon]

Thinking it loud, OP was not wrong. Even Santner and Sundar is picking 7 wickets each on these tracks.

Nearly every notable spinner of the last 10-15 years is at a similar level. Ashwin and Jadeja aren’t ahead of the pack as people like to think. They are just luckier than others.

You replace Jadeja with Santner in the Indian team and nothing changes for better or worse.

 

[Mamoon]

Noman is as good an all-rounder as Jadeja and Ashwin. It is just that PCB didn’t allow him to develop.

His batting at 40+ tells a lot about what he was capable of if allowed to develop in his prime.

 

[Mamoon]

Absolute humiliation for Ashwin and Jadeja on a pitch where Washington and Santner took 7-fers.

Just goes to show how overrate they are. ATGs my backside.

 

[Varun]

Absolute humiliation for Ashwin and Jadeja on a pitch where Washington and Santner took 7-fers.

Just goes to show how overrate they are. ATGs my backside.

Even Ajaz Patel out bowled our two chumps last time around.

 

[BouncerGuy]

They both are still doing a fine job.

 

[Mamoon]

It is clear that Indians aren’t ready for this conversation. They are rattled.

 

[Rajdeep]

Noman Ali and Sajid Khan absolutely owned Ash-Jad in last 2 tests

 

[Varun]

It is clear that Indians aren’t ready for this conversation. They are rattled.

There's nothing to be ready for. Sajid and Noman are clearly superior than our two pretenders.

 

[shaz619]

I pointed this out @Mamoon when England toured India, Bashir & Hartley despite their youth / inexperience did fine on their pitches and even won a Test when they had no right to, the myth of Ashwin & Jadeja is being brutally exposed

 

[big_gamer007]

It is clear that Indians aren’t ready for this conversation. They are rattled.

You are the one running away from posts which put you on the spot.

You called Ashwin the GOAT Asian all rounder who is superior than Imran Khan.

Now you are calling him average.

So in your opinion was Imran Khan a poor all rounder and every all rounder from asia has been poor?

 

[ExpressPacer]

You are the one running away from posts which put you on the spot.

You called Ashwin the GOAT Asian all rounder who is superior than Imran Khan.

Now you are calling him average.

So in your opinion was Imran Khan a poor all rounder and every all rounder from asia has been poor?

Ashwin is not fit to tie Imran’s shoelaces.

 

[Slim]

I personally never rated Ashwin and never will. His performance outside Asia speaks volumes. Hes just a PR merchant and knows to patronise pakistanis when they the team is down.

 

[big_gamer007]

Ashwin is not fit to tie Imran’s shoelaces.

Manoon says otherwise, Ashwin is GOAT all rounder from Asia who has surpassed Imran.

Now that Mamoon says that Ashwin is average player that just makes Imran who he said was inferior to Ashwin as a very poor cricketer.

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849768022459797789

This guy is so desperate for Pakistan to lose so that he can beg for Bobsy return

 

[Technics 1210]

Manoon says otherwise, Ashwin is GOAT all rounder from Asia who has surpassed Imran.

Now that Mamoon says that Ashwin is average player that just makes Imran who he said was inferior to Ashwin as a very poor cricketer.

You Indian fans will never change. Always someone else's fault when rattled.

 

[Slim]

Lol some no name washing powder is picking up 7 wickets for fun on indian dustbowls.

These two tests have proved had these Pakistani guys played on these dust bowls they would have been picking up wickets in heaps.
That jadeja guy can't even turn ball on a good wicket and he averages 20 on indian dustbowls

India has been playing cricket on doctored pitches for years and have been racking up home wins after wins. They are the masters of that. This series against England is an eye opener for us.

 

[Savak]

I don't know how old Sajid is but Nauman is going to touch 40. We need younger spinners to come in and take over. The fact these two oldies are the best spinners in the country is alarming. Where are the young spinners like Mehran Mumtaz, Usman Akram, Qasim Akram, Suffiyan Muqeem, why have they not piled up wickets and overs in 4 day domestic cricket by now?

 

[Katwalindian]

Santner and noman chacha both are better than jadeja, most overrated cricketer of all time along with babar azam.

Nearly every notable spinner of the last 10-15 years is at a similar level. Ashwin and Jadeja aren’t ahead of the pack as people like to think. They are just luckier than others.

You replace Jadeja with Santner in the Indian team and nothing changes for better or worse.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Pakistan Matched Indian dominance at home in tests from 2010-2017 until Misbah Retired. Pakistan with Zulfiqar Babar and Imran Khan Jnr as main attack downed almost every touring team. Infact Pakistan reached Number 1 spot back in 2016.. did nt have greatest line up.. we had hafeez as an opener and Azhar timid ali as one down.. it happened only because Misbah exploited UAE conditions perfectly. so pretty sure if Yasir Shah was younger when he debuted in 2014 , his stats would be as good as ashwin rn

 

[ExpressPacer]

Manoon says otherwise, Ashwin is GOAT all rounder from Asia who has surpassed Imran.

Now that Mamoon says that Ashwin is average player that just makes Imran who he said was inferior to Ashwin as a very poor cricketer.

I don’t care what Mamoon says. My opinion has and always will be that Ashwin is not fit to tie IKs shoelaces.

And this is not an opinion that stems from a dislike of Indians - I would say the same for Ashwin and Kapil Dev but probably to a lesser extent.

 

[Ab Fan]

While Ashwin and Jadeja have been poor in this series, we should not take away any credit from them for their dominant performance all these years. In last few years, Indian batting has been terrible and it is mostly down to all round performance of both the players that India didn’t lost home series to England or Australia.

They both have been terrific cricketers and gave India a cushion of extra player with their all round skills. Just few games ago only, they saved us vs Bangladesh by their batting.

Jadeja is still a better test all rounder than a Stokes or Shakib who have failed far more than Jadeja did. Ashwin is one of the top bowlers of this generation.

 

[mominsaigol]

While Ashwin and Jadeja have been poor in this series, we should not take away any credit from them for their dominant performance all these years. In last few years, Indian batting has been terrible and it is mostly down to all round performance of both the players that India didn’t lost home series to England or Australia.

They both have been terrific cricketers and gave India a cushion of extra player with their all round skills. Just few games ago only, they saved us vs Bangladesh by their batting.

Jadeja is still a better test all rounder than a Stokes or Shakib who have failed far more than Jadeja did. Ashwin is one of the top bowlers of this generation.

No they are not.

Jadeja is better then stokes and shakib so no problem their,

But ashwin is so poor overseas? Horrible in Australia, Horrible in south africa? Very medicore in south africa.

Doesn't have any 5 wicket hauls in aus, Sa, New Zealand and England?

Based of what is he the top bowler of this generation?

India doesn't even bother taking him overseas that much cause they know he's rubbish abroad?

He's a certified Indian spin track bully, the same surface where Satner is the 2nd coming of Shane Warne?

And I find it hilarious how the arguments for Laxman > Warner despite both having similar statistics is that Warner is a HTB so it doesn't count but for Ashwin he's the top bowler of his generation only cause he's good in India?

Haha.

Jadeja is a good allrounder. Ashwin is an Indian Hone track fraud who's rubbish everywhere else.

 

[Ab Fan]

No they are not.

Jadeja is better then stokes and shakib so no problem their,

But ashwin is so poor overseas? Horrible in Australia, Horrible in south africa? Very medicore in south africa.

Doesn't have any 5 wicket hauls in aus, Sa, New Zealand and England?

Based of what is he the top bowler of this generation?

India doesn't even bother taking him overseas that much cause they know he's rubbish abroad?

He's a certified Indian spin track bully, the same surface where Satner is the 2nd coming of Shane Warne?

And I find it hilarious how the arguments for Laxman > Warner despite both having similar statistics is that Warner is a HTB so it doesn't count but for Ashwin he's the top bowler of his generation only cause he's good in India?

Haha.

Jadeja is a good allrounder. Ashwin is an Indian Hone track fraud who's rubbish everywhere else.

Ashwin played extremely pivotal role in winning his team test series in Australia, Windies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.Better to get your facts right.

You cannot keep same parameter for average of spinners in all nations. Ashwin was pivotal in both 2018 and 2020 test series win in Australia. Not sure why you are bringing Warner and VVs debate here, most Australians with brain alone would rate VVS ahead of Warner in Test cricket.

Coming back to Ashwin, he has 11 player of series award. He is by all means a spin bowling equivalent of James Anderson, how the hell is he not a top bowlers of this generation if Anderson is arguably the second best in last 15-20 years after Steyn? Can’t have double standards just because one guy did it wearing an Indian jersey.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ashwin played extremely pivotal role in winning his team test series in Australia, Windies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.Better to get your facts right.

You cannot keep same parameter for average of spinners in all nations. Ashwin was pivotal in both 2018 and 2020 test series win in Australia. Not sure why you are bringing Warner and VVs debate here, most Australians with brain alone would rate VVS ahead of Warner in Test cricket.

Coming back to Ashwin, he has 11 player of series award. He is by all means a spin bowling equivalent of James Anderson, how the hell is he not a top bowlers of this generation if Anderson is arguably the second best in last 15-20 years after Steyn? Can’t have double standards just because one guy did it wearing an Indian jersey.

None of that matters. A fraud who avg 48 and 42 in aus and SA and doesn't have any 5 wicket hauls in SENA countries and isn't even trusted enough to be taken overseas consistently is nothing more then a fraud and another rubbish Indian Narrative that has overglorified him.

Utterly useless player overseas but for Indians every Tom dick and Harry who plays for them deserves their own biopic and deserves to be a top player of this generation.

I've seen Ashwin get decimated in aus, Sa, NZ and England, So much so that Indians are crying non stop that wtc is held in England because it's where they get exposed nonstop.

 

[Devadwal]

One combo has won india 18 successive series for india at home and other one is still searching first win a home.

Perfect definition of delusion

 

[mominsaigol]

None of that matters. A fraud who avg 48 and 42 in aus and SA and doesn't have any 5 wicket hauls in SENA countries and isn't even trusted enough to be taken overseas consistently is nothing more then a fraud and another rubbish Indian Narrative that has overglorified him.

Utterly useless player overseas but for Indians every Tom dick and Harry who plays for them deserves their own biopic and deserves to be a top player of this generation.

I've seen Ashwin get decimated in aus, Sa, NZ and England, So much so that Indians are crying non stop that wtc is held in England because it's where they get exposed nonstop.

Possibly the worst overseas spinner in SENA conditons I have ever seen. Gloats about that 7 wicket haul against aus in India but becomes their bunny gets tonked like no tmr.

An even bigger fraud then Laxman and Dhoni since those 2 are still good players but just overhyped. Whereas Ashwin is genuinely rubbish and requires fraud curation to work overseas as well as people hiding behind his batting clause.

 

[mominsaigol]

One combo has won india 18 successive series for india at home and other one is still searching first win a home.

Perfect definition of delusion

If Aswin was such a goat, He wouldn't be desperately searching for his first 5 wicket haul in SENA nor would be getting butchered like no tmr.

He's such a fraud that Bcci doesn't even bother taking him overseas half the time cause they know mar patai honei wali hai.

Most rubbish SENA spinner I have ever seen. But yes I badly want ashwin to play in BGT. Nothing would make me happier then a 42 no 5 wicket haul avg spinner get taken to the cleaners.

Aswin in BGT basically means India is playing with 10 players so inshallah he gets selected and plays in Australia

 

[mominsaigol]

I also forgot Ashwin was so rubbish as an IPL captain that they had to sack him for Dhoni eventually . Or was it Jadeja? I forgot which one of Bafoons had to be sacked for Dhoni to take over.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top players with most player of series award:-

Murali 11
Ashwin 11
Kallis 9
Imran 8
Hadlee 8
Warne 8

Only a troll or a guy with 0 knowledge of the game would claim that Ashwin is not a top player of this generation. Yes he is not anywhere close to Warne or Murali as a bowler due to lack of all round performance but there is no reason to discount him as a top bowler of this generation and any lesser than say, Anderson considering his additional capability with bat.

 

[mominsaigol]

Top players with most player of series award:-

Murali 11
Ashwin 11
Kallis 9
Imran 8
Hadlee 8
Warne 8

Only a troll or a guy with 0 knowledge of the game would claim that Ashwin is not a top player of this generation. Yes he is not anywhere close to Warne or Murali as a bowler due to lack of all round performance but there is no reason to discount him as a top bowler of this generation and any lesser than say, Anderson considering his additional capability with bat.

None of that matters. A top bowler of this generation doesn't lack 5 wicket hauls in SENA conditons and have an avg and er so bad in aus and sa one might mistakenly think ashwin is a batsmen?

Explain why his record is so freaking poor their? Infact his record is bang avg in Bangladesh as well for some reason.

Jimmy Anderson has 5 wicket hauls in every country besides UAE, Pakistan and India. Uae and pakistan don't count cause he's barely played their but India is a stain on his career. However he doesn't avg 40 in any country, infact he has a terrific record in England and NZ.

His record in sa and aus could be better but he doesn't lack 5 wicket hauls, nor does he avg the equivalent of Laxman .

Lastly Anderson is also overrated. Many people in England view his as a quantity over quality guy so idkw you're bringing him in.

He's a far better cricketer then Ashwin, has a far better bowling record and he's really only been poor in India and even then he ain't that poor in India. Has a 4/40 as his career best eco of 2.4, avg of 30 and 44 wickets in 17 games.

Again not the best but how is that any worse them Ashwin being a circus clown in SENA?

 

[mominsaigol]

None of that matters. A top bowler of this generation doesn't lack 5 wicket hauls in SENA conditons and have an avg and er so bad in aus and sa one might mistakenly think ashwin is a batsmen?

Explain why his record is so freaking poor their? Infact his record is bang avg in Bangladesh as well for some reason.

Jimmy Anderson has 5 wicket hauls in every country besides UAE, Pakistan and India. Uae and pakistan don't count cause he's barely played their but India is a stain on his career. However he doesn't avg 40 in any country, infact he has a terrific record in England and NZ.

His record in sa and aus could be better but he doesn't lack 5 wicket hauls, nor does he avg the equivalent of Laxman .

Lastly Anderson is also overrated. Many people in England view his as a quantity over quality guy so idkw you're bringing him in.

He's a far better cricketer then Ashwin, has a far better bowling record and he's really only been poor in India and even then he ain't that poor in India. Has a 4/40 as his career best eco of 2.4, avg of 30 and 44 wickets in 17 games.

Again not the best but how is that any worse them Ashwin being a circus clown in SENA?

Ashwin being a goat in India with helpful spin conditons is like me being a goat batsmen if you drafted me into the under 6 team and I was the only 20 year old playing against toddlers and I gloated over my achievements but as soon as I went overseas to play thr actual men's cricket team I became a circus clown

 

[mominsaigol]

Overrated Indian cricketers with narratives

1) Ashwin
2) Jadeja
3) Jaiswal
4) Dhoni
5) Laxman
6) Anil Kumble
7) Virat kohli
8) Sachin Tendulkar
9) Rohit sharma
10) Bumrah

And their like a dozen others.

Very few Indian cricketers are fairly Rated like sehwag, Dhawan, Sunny and a few others.

No one appreciates how good sehwag was, He actually showed up when Sachin went missing like in 2003 final. Had Sachin not thrown his wicket away and backed Sehwag, Result could have been closer and that sehwag run out wouldn't have happened.

Same qith Dhawan, A proper icc tournament performer. No one gives the guy credit for 2013 ct or the fact that had Kohli and rahane not Botched everything, He had given India the perfect start to heat aus in 2015.

 

[big_gamer007]

I don’t care what Mamoon says. My opinion has and always will be that Ashwin is not fit to tie IKs shoelaces.

And this is not an opinion that stems from a dislike of Indians - I would say the same for Ashwin and Kapil Dev but probably to a lesser extent.

Well the post you initially quoted of mine was a reply to Mamoon, what’s the point of chiming in on posts without any context?

Your opinion is your own opinion which you have complete freedom to have, that doesn’t mean it matters to the rest of the world or anyone else cares for it or it’s actually even true.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ashwin and Jadeja didn't lose a home series for 12 years.

Pakistan has won one series at home in 3 years.

And Pakistanis are here comparing.

The desperation.....

 

[followed]

Lol look what nerd santner is doing on an indian dustbowl.
He had average of 40 before this test and now he is averaging 37.

Nauman chacha and tinda Sajid have proved they would be unplayable on indian dustbowls.

 

[Varun]

The only thing Ashwin and Jadeja are better compared to Sajid and Noman, is in batting.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol look what nerd santner is doing on an indian dustbowl.
He had average of 40 before this test and now he is averaging 37.

Nauman chacha and tinda Sajid have proved they would be unplayable on indian dustbowls.

Indian pitches have been like this forever, yet India has lost just 2 test series in 25 years.

Many such Tinda and Chachas have come and gone.

 

[Mamoon]

They have done exactly what prime Ashwin and Jadeja would have done to England on this pitch.

They would have done exactly what Ashwin and Jadeja did to overseas batsmen all those years on Indian pitches.

They would have out-bowled Ashwin and Jadeja on this Pune pitch.

There is no difference between their respective skill-sets.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We will talk if these two from Pakistan can keep Pakistan unbeaten for 6 years let alone 12.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They have done exactly what prime Ashwin and Jadeja would have done to England on this pitch.

They would have done exactly what Ashwin and Jadeja did to overseas batsmen all those years on Indian pitches.

They would have out-bowled Ashwin and Jadeja on this Pune pitch.

There is no difference between their respective skill-sets.

Would have could have doesn't work.

Talk about what has happened.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

We will talk if these two from Pakistan can keep Pakistan unbeaten for 6 years let alone 12.

they are not going to play for six years.. but there is past evidence.. Pakistan Remained unbeaten in UAE from 2010-2017 with similar tactics

 

[Mamoon]

Would have could have doesn't work.

Talk about what has happened.

What has happened is that they have taken 39 wickets in 2 Tests which has completely exposed the Ashwin-Jadeja myth.

 

[mominsaigol]

We will talk if these two from Pakistan can keep Pakistan unbeaten for 6 years let alone 12.

How is that even possible? Nouman is already 38?

Anyway I'm fine people calling Ashwin a Home track spin bully.

I draw the line when people claim Ashwin is a borderline atg or one of the best test spinners of this era when in reality they are many leagues below Nathan Lyon.

One of the best test spinners of this era shouldn't have zero 5 wicket hauls in SENA and have an avg of 42 and 49 in aus and sa.

Infact barring India, Ashwin has avg records everywhere else including Bangladesh.

Their just home turf frauds.

 

[cricketjoshila]

they are not going to play for six years.. but there is past evidence.. Pakistan Remained unbeaten in UAE from 2010-2017 with similar tactics

How many series in those years were draws?

 

[cricketjoshila]

How is that even possible? Nouman is already 38?

Anyway I'm fine people calling Ashwin a Home track spin bully.

I draw the line when people claim Ashwin is a borderline atg or one of the best test spinners of this era when in reality they are many leagues below Nathan Lyon.

One of the best test spinners of this era shouldn't have zero 5 wicket hauls in SENA and have an avg of 42 and 49 in aus and sa.

Infact barring India, Ashwin has avg records everywhere else including Bangladesh.

Their just home turf frauds.

You can keep drawing the line on PP. Outside PP Ashwin will be called a great.

Nathan Lyon....How many series has he won his team single handedly?

What is the avg of Waqar Younis in Australia and India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What has happened is that they have taken 39 wickets in 2 Tests which has completely exposed the Ashwin-Jadeja myth.

What has happened is that Pakistan has won one test series after many months and you are jumping up and down over nothing significant.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How is that even possible? Nouman is already 38?

Anyway I'm fine people calling Ashwin a Home track spin bully.

I draw the line when people claim Ashwin is a borderline atg or one of the best test spinners of this era when in reality they are many leagues below Nathan Lyon.

One of the best test spinners of this era shouldn't have zero 5 wicket hauls in SENA and have an avg of 42 and 49 in aus and sa.

Infact barring India, Ashwin has avg records everywhere else including Bangladesh.

Their just home turf frauds.

Ok how many years will they keep Pakistan unbeaten?

Let me remind you India has lost just 2 series in last 25 years.

 

[Mamoon]

What has happened is that Pakistan has won one test series after many months and you are jumping up and down over nothing significant.

This is PCB’s problem. These two would have kept Pakistan unbeaten at home if it wasn’t for the highways. Same can’t be said about India who got humiliated by NZ on both seaming and turning pitches.

 

[mominsaigol]

You can keep drawing the line on PP. Outside PP Ashwin will be called a great.

Nathan Lyon....How many series has he won his team single handedly?

What is the avg of Waqar Younis in Australia and India?

No one considered ashwin a great besides Indian hooligans in India.

Nathan Lyon has 5 wicket hauls in every country and has maintained an avg of 14 to 30 in each country. Pakistan is an exception due to that one fraud curation pitch.

Ashwin on the other hand is a circus clown in SENA.

No one in their right mind would consider a bang avg overseas spinner a great.

Ashwin sucks in every single country besides India and that's an objective fact.

Infact he aucks so hard, Indians themselves don't want him to play in the upcoming BGT and BCCI drops him for overseas tours half the time.

Typical Indians overglorify everything.

No one asked Ashwin to be a serial loser overseas and fail everywhere. No one asked him to not take 5 wicket hauls in SENA and avg near 50 in sa.

And stop bringing waqar younis into this. I never talked about waqar and I don't rate waqar highly post his golden 1990-1994 era and even then I do believe wasim akram at the other end had a big part to play in helping waqar.

 

[khyberlion]

No one considered ashwin a great besides Indian hooligans in India.

Nathan Lyon has 5 wicket hauls in every country and has maintained an avg of 14 to 30 in each country. Pakistan is an exception due to that one fraud curation pitch.

Ashwin on the other hand is a circus clown in SENA.

No one in their right mind would consider a bang avg overseas spinner a great.

Ashwin sucks in every single country besides India and that's an objective fact.

Infact he aucks so hard, Indians themselves don't want him to play in the upcoming BGT and BCCI drops him for overseas tours half the time.

Typical Indians overglorify everything.

No one asked Ashwin to be a serial loser overseas and fail everywhere. No one asked him to not take 5 wicket hauls in SENA and avg near 50 in sa.

And stop bringing waqar younis into this. I never talked about waqar and I don't rate waqar highly post his golden 1990-1994 era and even then I do believe wasim akram at the other end had a big part to play in helping waqar.

Glenn Phillips has the same amount of 5fers in SENA as Ashwin and Jadeja.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is PCB’s problem. These two would have kept Pakistan unbeaten at home if it wasn’t for the highways. Same can’t be said about India who got humiliated by NZ on both seaming and turning pitches.

India hasn't lost a series in 12 years. Come and talk when Pakistan can do even half of it. Till then its nothing big.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

How many series in those years were draws?

NZ series was drawn because of phil hughes death , in third test no one was focused on cricket. and one was drawn against SA , it was 2 match series for unknown reasons

 

[cricketjoshila]

No one considered ashwin a great besides Indian hooligans in India.

Nathan Lyon has 5 wicket hauls in every country and has maintained an avg of 14 to 30 in each country. Pakistan is an exception due to that one fraud curation pitch.

Ashwin on the other hand is a circus clown in SENA.

No one in their right mind would consider a bang avg overseas spinner a great.

Ashwin sucks in every single country besides India and that's an objective fact.

Infact he aucks so hard, Indians themselves don't want him to play in the upcoming BGT and BCCI drops him for overseas tours half the time.

Typical Indians overglorify everything.

No one asked Ashwin to be a serial loser overseas and fail everywhere. No one asked him to not take 5 wicket hauls in SENA and avg near 50 in sa.

And stop bringing waqar younis into this. I never talked about waqar and I don't rate waqar highly post his golden 1990-1994 era and even then I do believe wasim akram at the other end had a big part to play in helping waqar.

A Pakistani doesn't speak for the world.

There have been enough non Indian cricket experts calling Ashwin a great.

Ashwin has won 2 series in Australia. Drawn series in England.

Last time Ashwin outbowled Lyon in Australia. Is it not?

Again, Waqar is widely rated as a great. Ratings on PP don't affect thw real world.

 

[mominsaigol]

Glenn Phillips has the same amount of 5fers in SENA as Ashwin and Jadeja.

I don't mind Jadeja, since he's an allrounder so idc much about him and Indians are free to glorify a medicore soft run scorer and home track spin bully as much as they wish. Jadeja is whatever for me.

But calling Ashwin a borderline ATG in test is like calling Shan Masood an ATG in test due to his 151 lol.

With the exception of India, Ashwin is so freakishly poor in NZ, Eng, Aus and SA that bcci themselves don't even feel the need to take him half the time cause playing ashwin overseas is like shooting yourself in the foot.

He.has no 5 wicket hauls and to top it off he's a virtual run machine overseas. The same aussie side that he bullied for that 8 wicket haul in India murdered him into next week in Australia.

To top it off beyond the utter atrocious record in SENA, He's bang avg and nothing special everywhere else be it Bangladesh or sri lanka.

It's only In India where he can fraud his way to the top.

The truth is even Satner who barely plays test cricket is a better test spinner then Ashwin.

Nathan Lyon wipes the floor qith ashwin as he's performed globally with only pakistan being a stain on his career, But no one cares about that record because Imam and Abdullah were scoring centuries on a 5th day pitch. That was ramiz raja era so no one cares about that game and even pak media itself made fun of ramiz

Ashwin is one of the worst test spinners I've ever laid my eyes on, and he's the circus definition of a fraud.

Jadeja isn't a fraud, he's massively overrated but Indians can have this one. Idrc about jadeja.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZ series was drawn because of phil hughes death , in third test no one was focused on cricket. and one was drawn against SA , it was 2 match series for unknown reasons

Stop giving excuses.

India has won every test series at home in last 12 years.

We will talk when Pakistan wins every home series for atleast 6 years.

 

[mominsaigol]

A Pakistani doesn't speak for the world.

There have been enough non Indian cricket experts calling Ashwin a great.

Ashwin has won 2 series in Australia. Drawn series in England.

Last time Ashwin outbowled Lyon in Australia. Is it not?

Again, Waqar is widely rated as a great. Ratings on PP don't affect thw real world.

Neither do you, and I frankly don't give a kahoot about who says this and who says that.

Anil Kumble once said rizwan was the top 3 batsmen in the world based of his 131 innings in the wc and that fell flat on its head.

First tell Ashwin to not have Glenn Philips outshine him in India and actually perform overseas and not hide behind fraud propaganda like you.

Get your facts checked, and look at his overall record across the world excluding India and then try to debate me on it. Not interested in your narrative or any of he said she said.

You can believe the toothfairy is real for all I care

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Stop giving excuses.

India has won every test series at home in last 12 years.

We will talk when Pakistan wins every home series for atleast 6 years.

well for sake of argument , UAE was not our home exactly. India has been better team so they won everything with these spin traps. particularly after 2012 2-1 defeat against Eng , Same team that was demolished 3-0 by Pak in UAE , India started to churn out dust bowls .. Credit to India for winning everything. but point is even mediocre team like Pak was unbeaten with similar tactics

 

[khyberlion]

I don't mind Jadeja, since he's an allrounder so idc much about him and Indians are free to glorify a medicore soft run scorer and home track spin bully as much as they wish. Jadeja is whatever for me.

But calling Ashwin a borderline ATG in test is like calling Shan Masood an ATG in test due to his 151 lol.

With the exception of India, Ashwin is so freakishly poor in NZ, Eng, Aus and SA that bcci themselves don't even feel the need to take him half the time cause playing ashwin overseas is like shooting yourself in the foot.

He.has no 5 wicket hauls and to top it off he's a virtual run machine overseas. The same aussie side that he bullied for that 8 wicket haul in India murdered him into next week in Australia.

To top it off beyond the utter atrocious record in SENA, He's bang avg and nothing special everywhere else be it Bangladesh or sri lanka.

It's only In India where he can fraud his way to the top.

The truth is even Satner who barely plays test cricket is a better test spinner then Ashwin.

Nathan Lyon wipes the floor qith ashwin as he's performed globally with only pakistan being a stain on his career, But no one cares about that record because Imam and Abdullah were scoring centuries on a 5th day pitch. That was ramiz raja era so no one cares about that game and even pak media itself made fun of ramiz

Ashwin is one of the worst test spinners I've ever laid my eyes on, and he's the circus definition of a fraud.

Jadeja isn't a fraud, he's massively overrated but Indians can have this one. Idrc about jadeja.

Indians overrate all their players tbh. You can't be a GOAT while being bowled by part timers.

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians overrate all their players tbh. You can't be a GOAT while being bowled by part timers.

Indians overate all their players.

Only sehwag, Dhawan and Sunny are the players I've found to be fairly Rated.

Everyone else from Kohli, Rohit, Ashwin, Tendulkar are massively overrated.

Don't get me wrong their all good players (excluding Ashwin who's a clown), but their no where near as good as Indians have built them up to be.

For example Sachin is only superior to everyone on longetivity and consistency since many players like pointing, Steve smith etc fizzled out very quickly.

But Indians feel the need to Shove Tendulkar into everyone as if he was the most complete batter ever when barring 2x he was never the top scorer nor was he the best player year by year.

Infact peak 2003-2006 Pointing is superior to Any era Sachin, and 2014-2020 smith is superior to any era Test Sachin.

Sachin deserves the no 1 spot because longetivity and consistency counts, But good god is he overrated.

And don't get me started on kohli, Jadeja, Rohit, Dhoni etc. And especially Azhar who somehow got a biopic made even though he's the biggest Indian cheat of all time

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Do we add Santner and Sundar to the title of this thread also?

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Do we add Santner and Sundar to the title of this thread also?

In fact, I very much remember in 2017 or 2018, the Australian bowler Steve O'Keefe taking 6/35 in both innings, and I think it was on his debut!

Last year Todd Murphy 7/42 or something like this on his debut.

Part-timer Joe Root got 5/8

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Manoon always provides food for thought.

He’s wrong on this one, but it’s always interesting.

 

[khyberlion]

Indians overate all their players.

Only sehwag, Dhawan and Sunny are the players I've found to be fairly Rated.

Everyone else from Kohli, Rohit, Ashwin, Tendulkar are massively overrated.

Don't get me wrong their all good players (excluding Ashwin who's a clown), but their no where near as good as Indians have built them up to be.

For example Sachin is only superior to everyone on longetivity and consistency since many players like pointing, Steve smith etc fizzled out very quickly.

But Indians feel the need to Shove Tendulkar into everyone as if he was the most complete batter ever when barring 2x he was never the top scorer nor was he the best player year by year.

Infact peak 2003-2006 Pointing is superior to Any era Sachin, and 2014-2020 smith is superior to any era Test Sachin.

Sachin deserves the no 1 spot because longetivity and consistency counts, But good god is he overrated.

And don't get me started on kohli, Jadeja, Rohit, Dhoni etc. And especially Azhar who somehow got a biopic made even though he's the biggest Indian cheat of all time

Sehwag is also quite overrated. His stats in SENA are a joke.