"Jasprit Bumrah would have to be the best all-format bowler in world cricket": Nasser Hussain

[MP2011]

I won’t blame Jadeja much though as he is a proper A/R and has done well for India for many years. You can’t expect a spin all rounder to pick wickets in seamers friendly conditions, maybe he will do in second innings but he atleast doesn’t let the opposition batters to dictate terms and keep the economy in check.

3k+ runs and 300+ wickets at batting avg of 34 and bowling avg of 24 is not pseudo by any standards.

Jadeja averages 42 with ball in all away tests he played during last 3 years. That's decidedly poor and won't take us anywhere (in your own words)!

 

[MP2011]

need Sundar ahead of Jadeja in test cricket. The guy has far bigger stomach for a fight than Mr Jaddu.

Its crystal clear that Jadeja (and his fans) are resting on his past laurels.

 

[pillionrider]

Jadeja averages 42 with ball in all away tests he played during last 3 years. That's decidedly poor and won't take us anywhere (in your own words)!

It's hilarious how Jaddu fans think those away stats are good, and yet, when Kumble was around, his away stats were ridiculed. Was personally shocked to see Kumble in this SENA list because I too used to think his away record was mediocre. Shows how much higher our expectations were back then. Also, how much lesser we let some sword celebrations, political biases and IPL heroics cloud our judgement.

 

[Hitman]

You guys have really produced a gem. Crazy how a country historically known for being absent in the bowling department would produce one of the greatest pacers of all time.

I can only think of mcgrath, Hadlee, Ambrose and Marshall > him in terms of pure skill. Bumrah is insanely insanely good.

Bumrah's real weak point is his fitness. Wish he had the fitness of someone like Brett Lee, could have achieved so much more. Right now he is a fragile and injury prone player.​

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah's real weak point is his fitness. Wish he had the fitness of someone like Brett Lee, could have achieved so much more. Right now he is a fragile and injury prone player.​

This is why I keep highlighting the lack of 10 wicket hauls. Its not to insult him, its to pinpoint a key weakness.

Unlike Mcgrath, Marshall, Hadlee etc etc, he just cannot bowl for an extended period without seriously injuring himself.

Its why he can't pick up 10 wickets because his limit is bowling 5 overs and then being taken off until the opposition has completly recovered and then brought back on.

Hadlee and mcgrath were tough because they could bowl 10 to 15 over onslaughts and never let the opposition breathe.

With bumrah theirs always a clear plan to negotiate him for 5 overs and then breathe easy.

 

[MP2011]

It's hilarious how Jaddu fans think those away stats are good, and yet, when Kumble was around, his away stats were ridiculed. Was personally shocked to see Kumble in this SENA list because I too used to think his away record was mediocre. Shows how much higher our expectations were back then. Also, how much lesser we let some sword celebrations, political biases and IPL heroics cloud our judgement.

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Jadeja has been past it in all formats for quite a few years.

Mistakes we committed, first with PuRane, then RoKo, we are repeating with Jadeja. No way Kuldeep deserves to be benched just because Jadeja averages 24 in test cricket.

 

[MP2011]

Must say Kumble was really shabbily treated by us during his final years as a test cricketer. The guy was a champion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bumrah is the type of bowler that no matter the match position or pitch conditions, when he comes in to bowl, you keep your eyes peeled to the screen because you know something is about to happen.

Without a doubt he is the best all format bowler in the world. Not just combined across formats but individually he is the best in the business in each format too.

I have a lot of respect for how he goes about his business without any theatrics.

 

[MP2011]

I have a lot of respect for how he goes about his business without any theatrics.

Here is what he says about his injury concerns,

"Even now people keep saying this injury will be it. Keep waiting, I will not think about that. I will keep doing my work. Every three-four months there will be headlines but, let's see, I will play till it is in my destiny. I prepare my best, and leave the rest to god. Whatever barkat [abundance or good fortune] god has given me, I try to carry it forward, and try to take Indian cricket forward."

 

[MP2011]

Also, he gives a clean chit to the likes of Jadeja & Jaiswal for dropping catches off hos bowling,

"Yeah, just for a second, but you know, you understand that you can't really sit down and cry," Bumrah said. "You have to move forward with the game. So that's what I look to do. Not to take it too far in my head and try and quickly forget it, because all of them are also new to the game, first time over here, sometimes the ball is difficult to sight. And nobody is dropping the catches purposely. Everybody's trying really hard. It does happen. So I don't want to create a scene or put more pressure on the fielder that, you know, I'm angry, I'm kicking the box, or I'm doing something."

 

[Croma]

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[Ab Fan]

Jadeja averages 42 with ball in all away tests he played during last 3 years. That's decidedly poor and won't take us anywhere (in your own words)!

What is up with all these filters?

Last 3 years
Away tests

Kuldeep is not a GOD and “could have” ,should have will not will give us wickets. We have 4 tailenders all starting from #8 hence keeping Jadeja in the squad is a necessity given his overall value as a player in all three departments.

 

[mominsaigol]

What is up with all these filters?

Last 3 years
Away tests

Kuldeep is not a GOD and “could have” ,should have will not will give us wickets. We have 4 tailenders all starting from #8 hence keeping Jadeja in the squad is a necessity given his overall value as a player in all three departments.

Again with this jadeja hype? Look hes a good player on doctored pitches, otherwise he is terrible. Not a batsmen or bowler.

Your tail begins at 7 with jadeja, not at 8

 

[Ab Fan]

Again with this jadeja hype? Look hes a good player on doctored pitches, otherwise he is terrible. Not a batsmen or bowler.

Your tail begins at 7 with jadeja, not at 8

As usual you continue with your usual propaganda without being aware of actual stats.

What @MP2011 didn’t mentioned in his post because of his dislike towards the great Jadeja that in last 3 years in away tests, Jadeja averages 37 with bat and that is better than Gill, Kohli, Rohit, Rahul.

@MP2011, he is making the team purely on batting based on his performance in last 3 years in away tests. And then he will give you plenty of economical overs with bowl as well. I think India has far more problems to dealt with rather than attacking on Jadeja.

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[mominsaigol]

As usual you continue with your usual propaganda without being aware of actual stats.

What @MP2011 didn’t mentioned in his post because again he also has dislike towards the great Jadeja that in last 3 years in away tests, Jadeja averages 37 with bat and that is better than Gill, Kohli, Rohit, Rahul.

@MP2011, he is making the team purely on batting based on his performance in last 3 years in away tests. And then he will give you plenty of economical overs with bowl as well. I think India has far more problems to dealt with rather than attacking on Jadeja.

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Bro, if that's the case, he should be dropped? Then what even is Jadeja?

A 37 avg specialist batsmen who can bowl a bit but is useless in sena as a bowler? What good does that do when india have a plathero of 40+ avg batters in fc that can play at that no?

That too with the fact that Jadeja is aging and is a finished cricketer?

 

[Ab Fan]

Bro, if that's the case, he should be dropped? Then what even is Jadeja?

A 37 avg specialist batsmen who can bowl a bit but is useless in sena as a bowler? What good does that do when india have a plathero of 40+ avg batters in fc that can play at that no?

That too with the fact that Jadeja is aging and is a finished cricketer?

That 37 is away average. Read properly. How is that not good enough and he is not a specialist batsman there. He just bowled 25 overs yesterday and was extremely economical(3 RPO) on a flat deck when the specialist pacers Siraj and Prasidh were getting smashed at 6RPO.

 

[Ab Fan]

It saddens me that posters over here only try to provide informations that strengthen their agenda to attack certain players. When talking about all rounders, you must mention both batting and bowl avg rather than simply quoting its bowl avg to demean his performance.

@MP2011, you are a good poster and hence didn’t expected that.

 

[mominsaigol]

That 37 is away average. Read properly. How is that not good enough and he is not a specialist batsman there. He just bowled 25 overs yesterday and was extremely economical(3 RPO) on a flat deck when the specialist pacers Siraj and Prasidh were getting smashed at 6RPO.

But he is finished now. We saw ashwin was finished in BGT. Trust me mate atm jadeja is done and dusted and he is ageing.

He didn’t perform with the bat and ik for a fact that he will likely be done either this test series or vs Aus next year.

Jadeja and Ashwin no longer have that venom, if they did then you guys would have won NZ test.

 

[MP2011]

What @MP2011 didn’t mentioned in his post because of his dislike towards the great Jadeja that in last 3 years in away tests, Jadeja averages 37 with bat and that is better than Gill, Kohli, Rohit, Rahul.

Yeah, comparing him with washed up oldies like RoKo?

Well done. It's you who is indulging in propaganda just to show Jadeja in good light.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yeah, comparing him with washed up oldies like RoKo?

Well done. It's you who is indulging in propaganda just to show Jadeja in good light.

How smart you deliberately slipped Gill and Rahul also and compared an AR to specialist batsman to demean his standing? Let’s drop them also and play 7 debutants in our team. A lineup like:-

Jaiswal
Debutant
Debutant(Sai)
Debutant
Pant
Debutant
Kuldeep
Fast bowler( likely leak runs at 6 RPO)
Siraj
Praisdh
Bumrah( only saviour and won’t play all tests)

I think that’s a lineup you want. Thank you for ensuring India sits below Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in ICC rankings.

 

[Ab Fan]

I am not going to waste my time debating with useless posters anymore as they seem to have clear agenda against players and they would put logic and common sense out of the window to ensure their agenda stands true. No more discussions.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am not going to waste my time debating with useless posters anymore as they seem to have clear agenda against players and they would put logic and common sense out of the window to ensure their agenda stands true. No more discussions.

How can you infer someone has an agenda if their arguing with facts and logic?

Agenda based posters do not just argue, they simply act like narcissists and assume they are right and everyone is wrong.

 

[MP2011]

It's clear who is useless here. Only someone useless and clueless will ask for Jadeja's inclusion in our test team for away tests.

Sadly, selectors are as much of clowns as you are who have no interest in seeing our team winning away tests and hence want to persevere with a tried and tested failure like Jadeja

Well done to keep your own agenda above Indian cricket's interests.

 

[MP2011]

How smart you deliberately slipped Gill and Rahul also and compared an AR to specialist batsman to demean his standing? Let’s drop them also and play 7 debutants in our team. A lineup like:-

Jaiswal
Debutant
Debutant(Sai)
Debutant
Pant
Debutant
Kuldeep
Fast bowler( likely leak runs at 6 RPO)
Siraj
Praisdh
Bumrah( only saviour and won’t play all tests)

I think that’s a lineup you want. Thank you for ensuring India sits below Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in ICC rankings.

Gill and Rahul have not been skipped deliberately. It's clear both of them have been below par in their test career especially seeing the glorious standards by our yesteryears' batsmen.

So just because some specialist bats chosen were poor, we need to infest our team with more poor players just because he is somewhat lesser poor than those failures?

 

[Ted123]

I thought this is Bumrah thread, what is all the discussion about Jadeja lol

 

[Ted123]

That 37 is away average. Read properly. How is that not good enough and he is not a specialist batsman there. He just bowled 25 overs yesterday and was extremely economical(3 RPO) on a flat deck when the specialist pacers Siraj and Prasidh were getting smashed at 6RPO.

Yes 37 is a poor away average. He must average 50 with bat and then 25 with bowl to merit a place in the team, what is so hard to understand here?

Other posters are right here. Jadeja should average 50 with bat then we can think of playing him in team.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes 37 is a poor away average. He must average 50 with bat and then 25 with bowl to merit a place in the team, what is so hard to understand here?

Other posters are right here. Jadeja should average 50 with bat then we can think of playing him in team.

Jadeja is finished like Ashwin.

 

[Ted123]

Mr clueless,

Gill and Rahul have not been skipped deliberately. It's clear both of them have been below par in their test career especially seeing the glorious standards by our yesteryears' batsmen.

So just because some specialist bats chosen were poor, we need to infest our team with more poor players just because he is somewhat lesser poor than those failures?

All 11 players are poor in your team. You should open the batting next series

 

[Ab Fan]

Gill and Rahul have not been skipped deliberately. It's clear both of them have been below par in their test career especially seeing the glorious standards by our yesteryears' batsmen.

So just because some specialist bats chosen were poor, we need to infest our team with more poor players just because he is somewhat lesser poor than those failures?

with such a long batting tail, Jadeja’s importance increases a lot and he showed the same yesterday as well( since you talking about current form too).

This is gonna be a long series and India will be in desperate need for quality all rounders considering how long Indian tail is. Kuldeep will also be part of that tail and all our pacers are as good as tailenders. That just emphasises the importance of all rounders like Jadeja, Reddy and Sundar. Of the three, Jadeja is the one who is willing to give you more overs with bowl that will allow the pacers to get the required rest.

Yes 37 is a poor away average. He must average 50 with bat and then 25 with bowl to merit a place in the team, what is so hard to understand here?

Other posters are right here. Jadeja should average 50 with bat then we can think of playing him in team.

They are acting clueless deliberately because they skipped the part that he averages 37 in away tests in last three years and yesterday also Jadeja was tied on one side with tail otherwise he was batting well. Still he managed to add 20 odd vital runs with bat that can make a difference in the final result.