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Joe Root has potential to surpass Sachin Tendulkar's Test record, says Geoffrey Boycott

Robert said:
That would be sensible. No point going on until the team is carrying you like Tendulkar and Ponting.

India have a bit of a weakness here. They let their top players carry on past their prime to break milestones. That was a factor in England’s win there on the Cook tour.
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Wasn't you hero Viv Richards too carried by his team in the last 3 years of his Test career (89', 90', 91')?
 
Hitman said:
Wasn't you hero Viv Richards too carried by his team in the last 3 years of his Test career (89', 90', 91')?
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Desi Haynes was my favourite WI player, and Maco. Sir Viv carried on after his run production had dropped, but WI were still winning. WI need a statesman as skipper, to unite all the nations.
 
Robert said:
Desi Haynes was my favourite WI player, and Maco. Sir Viv carried on after his run production had dropped, but WI were still winning. WI need a statesman as skipper, to unite all the nations.
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You din't answer my question. You accuse Tendulkar and Ponting to continue past their sell by date, while you don't say the same for Viv Richards.
 
Hitman said:
You din't answer my question. You accuse Tendulkar and Ponting to continue past their sell by date, while you don't say the same for Viv Richards.
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I did, you just didn’t like the answer.
 
The only reason Tendulkar played beyond expiry date was because Indian fans wanted him to get to the 100th century. He simply had no option to leave it and retire. It was more of a last wish from Indian fans to Tendulkar and he had to complete it before he retires.

These younger generation cheedu-peedu don't know how legendary a player SRT was. That's why they start comparing any T.D.&H to SRT which is blasphemous.
 
Since when is Sachin the bench mark, he wasn’t even the best of his era; Joe Root is already far far superior and has a lot more heart, Sachin failed miserably as captain and then cost his country so many games due to his selfish batting, Rooooooooot is mentally stronger and the better overall performer / cricketer then Sach
 
This is a bit of a stretch from Boycott.

Another 5,000 Test runs are possibly on the cards for Joe, around 13,500 career runs in total — which would see him retire on a higher aggregate (and also probably a higher average) than Sir Alastair Cook.

Tendulkar’s total in Test cricket is going to be near-impossible for anyone to beat.

I think we all forget at times that a cricketer (or any sportsman) is only ever one bad season away from his reputation being severely damaged, which in itself makes Tendulkar’s longevity yet more impressive.
 
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Slog said:
He was poor for a 2.5 year period in 2000s too. By that time he was already mid 30s so if he was an English player he would have either left of his own accord or been shown the door. England have very little patience for players who go out of form post 32.
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That is because they haven't produced anyone even close to Sachin's stature, consistency and ability since Wally Hammond and if you think I am not being generous enough let's even say since Ken Barrington. The likes of Gower, Vaughn and KP were simply a tier or two below the likes of Sachin, Lara and Ponting.

Also He had never been poor for 2.5 years at a stretch. He had two bad years in 00s, 2003 and 06. When you are the best in the business for over 2 decades you are allowed to have a couple of bad calendar years.
 
Robert said:
I like this word. Please explain it to me :)
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cheedu-peedu is more in funnier sense, cheenu-meenu will be more appropriate as it refers to lovable ones( basically younger gen who are dear ones but lack common understanding) :yk
 
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Ab Fan said:
cheedu-peedu is more in funnier sense, cheenu-meenu will be more appropriate as it refers to lovable ones( basically younger gen who are dear ones but lack common understanding) :yk
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I'd call then changu-mangu but yes cheenu-meenu is good too. BTW I hope you don't mind my asking, are you a Bengali? Cuz North Indians would prolly say chunnu-munnu :ds
 
Ab Fan said:
cheedu-peedu is more in funnier sense, cheenu-meenu will be more appropriate as it refers to lovable ones( basically younger gen who are dear ones but lack common understanding) :yk
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BTW some older ones can also be pretty stubborn and reluctant to embrace the truth too and wouldn't stop whining about how good days were during Jurassic age when T- Rex and triceratops used to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
 
Hyperion66 said:
I'd call then changu-mangu but yes cheenu-meenu is good too. BTW I hope you don't mind my asking, are you a Bengali? Cuz North Indians would prolly say chunnu-munnu :ds
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Nope but I have stayed about 4 years in Kolkata. So, I guess it's coming from there.
 
Hyperion66 said:
BTW some older ones can also be pretty stubborn and reluctant to embrace the truth too and wouldn't stop whining about how good days were during Jurassic age when T- Rex and triceratops used to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
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Yeah, nostalgia syndrome.
 
Hyperion66 said:
BTW some older ones can also be pretty stubborn and reluctant to embrace the truth too and wouldn't stop whining about how good days were during Jurassic age when T- Rex and triceratops used to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
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True
They believe modern cricket has no quality.

:mc
 
I think root will realistically require another 140 innings or 70 tests. Considering he bats at 3 he won’t miss much innings so may be another 75 tests. If he can play 15 tests a year and with bad form along the way , he might be doing it in next 7 years.
Remote possibility but not improbable so Boycott is not off in his statement here
 
Welcome to India Root.

100 in the first innings of the tour.

You hoped to be here sooner, but no IPL team would pick you :(

But welcome anyway.

Rooooot :afridi1
 
Joe Root - 8467 runs after 100 Tests.

7454 runs away from Sachin Tendulkar's world record of 15921 runs.

If he averages 50 for the rest of his career, Root would need ~149 innings to past Tendulkar's tally.
 
Joe Root : 31 years old now -

Most test runs before turning 31

9780- Cook
9531- Root
9470- Tendulkar
8033- Kallis
7862- Ponting

Most 50+ scores

76- Root
74- Cook
70- Tendulkar
64- Kallis
57- De Villiers
 
Root is 6390 runs away from Tendulkar , it will take massive batting performances to get there , its not going to be easy. He needs to hit 1500 runs years three more years
 
Very much possible for Joe Root as England usually play more than 15 tests per year. If he continue his form, it will take him between 60 to 80 matches to break Sachin's record.

With very few ODI matches are playing nowadays, it is almost impossible for anyone to break SRT's ODI records.
 
wont do it, will retire in 2 or 3 years, especially if england dnt produce players to support him.
 
MenInG said:
Scores 100 vs Windies coming in at number 3!
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Root's 13th Test hundred as captain - beating Cook's 12, and moves one ahead of KP (23) to be 2nd behind Cook (33) on all time list.
 
Well deserved hundred. He has done incredibly well vs the best team of this generation. That counts in his favour big time. Ashes away failure goes against him though but all in all a great player without a shadow of doubt and an all format batsman.
 
Joe Root’s 13th hundred as England captain, the most ever for a skipper of an England Test team. He goes past Cook with his 12 leader’s hundreds.
 
Root is about 6,000 runs behind Tendulkar (as of now). He is 31 years old.

He can surpass Tendulkar but he has to play till 40 or something.
 
Root also has eight Test hundreds since Virat Kohli's last international century
 
Back to his best after a stuttering Ashes series.

Joe barely got out of second gear for his ton in this Test. World class batting.
 
Joe Root has just gone past 2,000 Test runs since the start of 2021.

Rishabh Pant (1,077) and Dimuth Karunaratne (1,068) are the only other batters to have scored 1,000+ runs in that time period.
 
In an era that is considered more bowling-friendly (compared to the previous couple of decades), Root has stood out.

Especially in the past year, he's been in exceptional form.
 
Now less than 200 career runs away from joining the 10,000 club in Test cricket.
 
Will be the youngest to 10,000 test runs.

It took him 10 years(debuted in 2012) to get to 10,000 runs. So, assuming that same trend continues and there is some dip in final years, think he can score around 6000 runs more over the next 7 years. His current age is 31 so he will have to play till 38-39 to get there.

Nevertheless, should end with 14000 test runs and become second leading run scorer of all-time.
 
Ab Fan said:
Will be the youngest to 10,000 test runs.

It took him 10 years(debuted in 2012) to get to 10,000 runs. So, assuming that same trend continues and there is some dip in final years, think he can score around 6000 runs more over the next 7 years. His current age is 31 so he will have to play till 38-39 to get there.

Nevertheless, should end with 14000 test runs and become second leading run scorer of all-time.
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I think he will play till about 35. No more. Which would give him about 50 tests. Which means about 2500 runs. He will end up at about 13,000 runs or close to it.
 
U$ofA said:
I think he will play till about 35. No more. Which would give him about 50 tests. Which means about 2500 runs. He will end up at about 13,000 runs or close to it.
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50 test would mean about 85-90 inning where he would bat. In 90 inning, he can score somewhere in between 3500-4000 runs more.
 
Ab Fan said:
50 test would mean about 85-90 inning where he would bat. In 90 inning, he can score somewhere in between 3500-4000 runs more.
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Ageing and diminishing returns should be accounted for. I would say 3000 runs is fair.
 
That wont be an achievement.

He needs to help England win games.
 
When he starts failing, which will be soon because he is practically playing as an opener, (same as YK used to), the English selectors will be merciless.

Same as Cook.

Batting in English conditions is so hard. Let's see how long Root's legendary purple patch lasts.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
When he starts failing, which will be soon because he is practically playing as an opener, (same as YK used to), the English selectors will be merciless.

Same as Cook.

Batting in English conditions is so hard. Let's see how long Root's legendary purple patch lasts.
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Root averages 52 in England, he's doing fine. Australia is the only place Root hasn't been great.
 
shaz619 said:
Since when is Sachin the bench mark, he wasn’t even the best of his era; Joe Root is already far far superior and has a lot more heart, Sachin failed miserably as captain and then cost his country so many games due to his selfish batting, Rooooooooot is mentally stronger and the better overall performer / cricketer then Sach
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Couldn't agree more Sachin was so selfish he took 140 balls + to score a century against Bangladesh for his 100 century and lost to Bangladesh. Root always thinks about the team first :afridi
 
Joe Root in Test cricket since the start of 2021:

Runs: 2,052
Hundreds: 8
Average: 58.62

Is there a better Test batter in the world at the moment?
 
James said:
Joe Root in Test cricket since the start of 2021:

Runs: 2,052
Hundreds: 8
Average: 58.62

Is there a better Test batter in the world at the moment?
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No, clearly he is batting at a very high level these days in test cricket.
 
James said:
Joe Root in Test cricket since the start of 2021:

Runs: 2,052
Hundreds: 8
Average: 58.62

Is there a better Test batter in the world at the moment?
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IMO there is no one better at the moment.

Joe is seemingly batting on his own personal plane of existence currently.

I know that Steve Smith averages more, and Marnus is rated one place higher, but Joe plays/has been playing in a considerably weaker lineup.

With all that pressure on his shoulders, to produce an average of near 60 throughout this very tough period for English cricket has been outstanding.

Two tons in the West Indies and he has barely gone above third gear at any point. Frightening talent.
 
James said:
IMO there is no one better at the moment.

Joe is seemingly batting on his own personal plane of existence currently.

I know that Steve Smith averages more, and Marnus is rated one place higher, but Joe plays/has been playing in a considerably weaker lineup.

With all that pressure on his shoulders, to produce an average of near 60 throughout this very tough period for English cricket has been outstanding.

Two tons in the West Indies and he has barely gone above third gear at any point. Frightening talent.
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People underestimate how difficult it is to bat with a weak batting order. When you're 8 down, you have to take risk and hit a few boundaries before the team is all out. Root has been doing it 80% of his career. It is easy to score runs when your partner is also good and sharing the pressure.

Smith has done the same often, but he at least had Warner in Australia (and Warner is a beast at home). Root doesn't have anybody in England, at home. I can't imagine the pressure he's always under.
 
It's a travesty that Joe Root didn't win test player of the year.

He was by far the best player if you take stats and impact into play.

The pressure he has to deal with due to Eng's garbage batting lineup.....even Tendu didn't face that level of pressure (we atleast had a good batting lineup in Asia in the 90s...and in 2000s, our batting lineup was solid everywhere).

The way Root batted against the Indian bowling attack in England was nothing short of magical.

The one blemish in his career is his performance in Aus.

Weird cos he scores tons of runs in SA which is objectively a harder place to bat than Aus.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
It's a travesty that Joe Root didn't win test player of the year.

He was by far the best player if you take stats and impact into play.

The pressure he has to deal with due to Eng's garbage batting lineup.....even Tendu didn't face that level of pressure (we atleast had a good batting lineup in Asia in the 90s...and in 2000s, our batting lineup was solid everywhere).

The way Root batted against the Indian bowling attack in England was nothing short of magical.

The one blemish in his career is his performance in Aus.

Weird cos he scores tons of runs in SA which is objectively a harder place to bat than Aus.
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Root only won the test player of the year and well deserved too.

He is in the same mould of Tendulkar, prolific run scorer, extremely consistent, all conditions bat and plays all type of bowling equally good. The only thing seperating is longevity.
 
Ab Fan said:
Root only won the test player of the year and well deserved too.

He is in the same mould of Tendulkar, prolific run scorer, extremely consistent, all conditions bat and plays all type of bowling equally good. The only thing seperating is longevity.
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My bad.

I thought Shaheen Shah Afridi (excellent performer no doubt) won both test cricketer and player of the year.

Root started his career with a BANG and then lost his way in the middle with pretty 50s and out.

Now he is back to his old self again and I hope he continues to do great things.

As for Fab 4, here's how I see it (strictly test cricket):

Talent wise, Joe Root is clearly head and shoulders above the rest. Unreal ability. Massively underachieved. Now he seems to have found his mojo and is doing things that he is capable of.

Grit & mental strength wise, Steve Smith is the best. Complete immersion to being the best there is. Heard he used to practice like crazy. Honestly I am a bit sad that he is declining now. I have not seen a greater test batsman than prime Smith. If there's one guy who I would root to beat Tendulkar's run tally, it would be Smith. Not that he can but part of me wanted him to do it.

Mentality wise, Kohli. The all consuming, singular mentality to succeed no matter what is what made Kohli who he is. He is very limited in the talent department (in tests) compared to ATGs and GOATs. But his drive to succeed made him achieve what he did in tests. The moment he lost the focus and drive, his batting derailed completely. Looks like a permanent decline.

Patience wise, Kane. Zen like monk. Not the flashiest or grittiest or most talented. But made the most of his skills. Feel he underachieved too. And has one heck of a performance in WTC finals.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
My bad.

I thought Shaheen Shah Afridi (excellent performer no doubt) won both test cricketer and player of the year.

Root started his career with a BANG and then lost his way in the middle with pretty 50s and out.

Now he is back to his old self again and I hope he continues to do great things.

As for Fab 4, here's how I see it (strictly test cricket):

Talent wise, Joe Root is clearly head and shoulders above the rest. Unreal ability. Massively underachieved. Now he seems to have found his mojo and is doing things that he is capable of.

Grit & mental strength wise, Steve Smith is the best. Complete immersion to being the best there is. Heard he used to practice like crazy. Honestly I am a bit sad that he is declining now. I have not seen a greater test batsman than prime Smith. If there's one guy who I would root to beat Tendulkar's run tally, it would be Smith. Not that he can but part of me wanted him to do it.

Mentality wise, Kohli. The all consuming, singular mentality to succeed no matter what is what made Kohli who he is. He is very limited in the talent department (in tests) compared to ATGs and GOATs. But his drive to succeed made him achieve what he did in tests. The moment he lost the focus and drive, his batting derailed completely. Looks like a permanent decline.

Patience wise, Kane. Zen like monk. Not the flashiest or grittiest or most talented. But made the most of his skills. Feel he underachieved too. And has one heck of a performance in WTC finals.
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Kane Williamson is an overachiever considering his lack of talent. He's a massive home bully\ and has terrible record in over half the test playing countries.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Kane Williamson is an overachiever considering his lack of talent. He's a massive home bully\ and has terrible record in over half the test playing countries.
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Well a case can be made for that too.

I feel he has a solid technique.

Didn't do justice to his ability.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Root looking in excellent form 🤩<br><br>Watch him bat LIVE 👉 <a href="https://t.co/tppTVJcXNe">https://t.co/tppTVJcXNe</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVCountyChamp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVCountyChamp</a> <a href="https://t.co/lhTQXJRrIj">pic.twitter.com/lhTQXJRrIj</a></p>— LV= Insurance County Championship (@CountyChamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1522936041107296258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
On 63 not out against Essex at the moment and batting very fluidly as ever.
 
Joe Root currently on 103* for Yorks against Lancashire in the Roses four-day match.

Evergreen.
 
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Can Root break Tendulkar's Test runs record?

Former Australia captain Mark Taylor believes Root can surpass Indian great Sachin Tendulkar's tally of 15,921 Test runs

Root became the 14th player to 10,000 runs in the format during his Lord's hundred, achieving the feat at 31 years and 157 days.

Taylor told Sky Sports: "Root has minimum five years left in him, so I think Tendulkar's record is very achievable.

"He is batting as well as I have ever seen him bat over the last 18 months to two years.

"He is in the prime of his career, so there is 15,000 runs-plus for him if he stays healthy."
 
Well if he keeps batting like he is now, in this incredible unruffled Zen mode, he could maybe get there! :)
 
It is going to be very difficult for him. He is in the wrong end of his peak years. I would say he has about three years left in international cricket. Which will make him 34-35. Eng players do not play beyond that.

He has almost 6k runs to go. His reflexes will start to desert him in another year or two. It just happens to everyone.

Good luck to him though. Hope he gets there.
 
Joe Root's 27th Test hundred - and 4th this year. Moves level on all-time list with Allan Border, Graeme Smith, Steve Smith and Virat Kohli
 
Squeaky bum time for Sachinistas.

Would not surprise me if BCCI offer Root an IPL contract now, not just to reduce the number of Tests he plays, but to destroy his technique.

Don’t do it Root, stick with England. Money will pour in once you beat SRT’s test run record.
 
Joe Root moves on to 151* (181) at Trent Bridge.

A bit of a special innings is this.
 
If he chooses to hang around cling on to the team like Sachin did, he will easily break his record. But I don’t think a lot of players are that bothered with records as Tendulkar was.
 
TheSultan said:
If he chooses to hang around cling on to the team like Sachin did, he will easily break his record. But I don’t think a lot of players are that bothered with records as Tendulkar was.
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True, he has more runs at same stage than the stat padder and shows no signs of regressing but they're just not that way inclined as far as breaking records is concerned.
 
163 off 200 balls with 25 x 4s.

That's 1 boundary every 8 balls and overall he's scored his runs at a strike rate in excess of 80.

What an innings. Hope he surpasses his career best of 254.

Can't believe some people on here still think he's inferior to Kane Williamson.
 
topspin said:
163 off 200 balls with 25 x 4s.

That's 1 boundary every 8 balls and overall he's scored his runs at a strike rate in excess of 80.

What an innings. Hope he surpasses his career best of 254.

Can't believe some people on here still think he's inferior to Kane Williamson.
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But but but, Root isn't capable of tying William's shoelaces.
 
More worried about MoYo’s record again this year , as for Sachin’s record it definitely on now..
 
topspin said:
163 off 200 balls with 25 x 4s.

That's 1 boundary every 8 balls and overall he's scored his runs at a strike rate in excess of 80.

What an innings. Hope he surpasses his career best of 254.

Can't believe some people on here still think he's inferior to Kane Williamson.
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“Not fit to tie Kane’s shoes” I think was the wizard quote from some expert guy last week.
 
Mirpur express said:
More worried about MoYo’s record again this year , as for Sachin’s record it definitely on now..
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Every record looks plausible when the player is scoring runs for fun. What matters is consistency. A couple of seasons of poor run, that Sachin's record looks far far away.

People said Ponting, Sangakkara were going to break Sachin's record. They fell short by 3000 runs.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Every record looks plausible when the player is scoring runs for fun. What matters is consistency. A couple of seasons of poor run, that Sachin's record looks far far away.

People said Ponting, Sangakkara were going to break Sachin's record. They fell short by 3000 runs.
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Sangakkara was so far ahead, he only really needed to play another 20-25 tests to beat the so called record. He could have even limped over the line if he wanted even if he had a poor end to his career. His runs per match ratio is insane as is his average. Over 3 whole runs more than tendulkir.


He was certainly fit enough. But ultimately no one cares. People are comfortable with what they’ve achieved and don’t have any complexes. They don’t overdo it and overstay their welcome
 
When you know that you are not gonna reach that far as it is quite a huge milestone, it is better to stop caring about it and go out chasing the same :)).

That's why Sanga and Kallis didn't cared about chasing those records.
 
Against top 8 oppositions:-

SRT. 14183 runs, 43 hundreds
Ponting 12728 runs, 39 hundreds
Kallis. 12293 runs, 41 hundreds
Sanga. 10048 runs, 29 hundreds( massive dip in runs tally)
Root. 10047 runs, 27 hundreds
 
Ab Fan said:
Against top 8 oppositions:-

SRT. 14183 runs, 43 hundreds
Ponting 12728 runs, 39 hundreds
Kallis. 12293 runs, 41 hundreds
Sanga. 10048 runs, 29 hundreds( massive dip in runs tally)
Root. 10047 runs, 27 hundreds
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Not Sanga's fault that SL didn't play enough tests against top teams.
 
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