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Junaid Khan vs Mohammad Amir

All current Pakistani bowlers are mediocre. Amir is just an average bowler and a vastly overrated one as well. He hasn't done anything of note since his comeback.
 
Junaid Khan is unfortunately not the same bowler.

His form is wayward at best since he got injured.
 
Sidilicious said:
Having been on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that Pakistanis do not understand what real talent is. In that context an Indian is far ahead.

When it comes to batting, they see a batsman score a few runs, play a few flashy shots and then score a quick 100 or two in his first few matches and he is the best thing since bread. But a player might have all the technique in the world, but even if he fails in a couple of innings, he becomes useless.

And to bowling, a player can bowl fast and has a successful start to his career the bowler becomes next Wasim Akram. Another bowler, might or might not have the pace, is straightaway declared as a trundler or someone without a brain or overrated.

No one seems to have patience, and fans just want immediate results. One of the huge reasons that players like Afridi have not developed or adapted since the early 00s and are still playing for the team. No looks into the intricacies of the player, why he might or might not have succeeded. Whether it could be a fluke, or whether the kid actually has potential. No one wants to give the player some time to develop. If you fail in couple of matches, then you are useless.

How are young cricketers going to develop? Even Amir is now being considered overrated. No one wants to look into why he might be failing. Is it him, or is it the pitches? Junaid was discarded after a couple of years.

On the other hand, a player who only slogs and had a couple of good series initially was considered the next greatest Pakistani batsman. Azhar Ali on the other hand is not given any recognition.
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Bumping this again to see what others think. Should junaid get a recall?? I know squads have been selected but junaid can be added later. I don't think Aamir has set the world on fire since his return, and for Australian wickets could be competition between Aamir, junaid and rahat. How's junaid doing in bpl??
 
Abid Z said:
Bumping this again to see what others think. Should junaid get a recall?? I know squads have been selected but junaid can be added later. I don't think Aamir has set the world on fire since his return, and for Australian wickets could be competition between Aamir, junaid and rahat. How's junaid doing in bpl??
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I'm all for giving Junaid Khan another chance. He did well before injury and is having a very solid BPL.
 
Junaid is actually doing very well in the BPL. However, Junaid and Amir shouldn't be in direct competition. Amir hasn't set the world on fire but he is still our premier pacer. Only one capable of consistently bowling over 140 clicks and swinging it (albeit his swing has been absent for a while).

I'd much rather have one of Rahat or Imran surrendered if another pacer is being brought in (not necessarily Junaid).

Rahat and Imran are both non-threatening run-of-the-mill net bowlers who don't swing or seam the bowl and their effort bowls are in the 135 kph range. Imran lovers will come and slay me that he just picked up 6 wickets but seriously Imran does not deserve to be in the side. Any one who actually watched the match and not just on cricinfo will tell you that Imran was not threatening AT ALL.
 
What kind of a stupid logic is this?

Junaid is a gun barrel straight military medium trundler. His direct competition is the mediocrity in Imran Khan.

NOT Amir.

Junaid Khan, Imran Khan, Umar Gul - these are exactly the same type of bowlers and do not belong in our Test team at the moment. We have too many one dimensional 'pacers' who can't move the ball.
 
Syed1 said:
Junaid is actually doing very well in the BPL. However, Junaid and Amir shouldn't be in direct competition. Amir hasn't set the world on fire but he is still our premier pacer. Only one capable of consistently bowling over 140 clicks and swinging it (albeit his swing has been absent for a while).

I'd much rather have one of Rahat or Imran surrendered if another pacer is being brought in (not necessarily Junaid).

Rahat and Imran are both non-threatening run-of-the-mill net bowlers who don't swing or seam the bowl and their effort bowls are in the 135 kph range. Imran lovers will come and slay me that he just picked up 6 wickets but seriously Imran does not deserve to be in the side. Any one who actually watched the match and not just on cricinfo will tell you that Imran was not threatening AT ALL.
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He is doing decently. Isn't taking many wickets.

5 wickets in last 6 games. And it's BPL. Compare with Fizz and Bhuvi's performance in IPL - that's doing "very well".

Not sure how much movement he is getting now. Was pretty ordinary last time around in Intl. circuit.
 
He is back to where to belongs, got bashed by Tamim Iqbal. He shouldn't bowl against Tamim or Gayle.
 
Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan need to be brought back for ODIs and T20s, respectively.
 
Syed1 said:
Junaid is actually doing very well in the BPL. However, Junaid and Amir shouldn't be in direct competition. Amir hasn't set the world on fire but he is still our premier pacer. Only one capable of consistently bowling over 140 clicks and swinging it (albeit his swing has been absent for a while).

I'd much rather have one of Rahat or Imran surrendered if another pacer is being brought in (not necessarily Junaid).

Rahat and Imran are both non-threatening run-of-the-mill net bowlers who don't swing or seam the bowl and their effort bowls are in the 135 kph range. Imran lovers will come and slay me that he just picked up 6 wickets but seriously Imran does not deserve to be in the side. Any one who actually watched the match and not just on cricinfo will tell you that Imran was not threatening AT ALL.
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Yes....Because subjectivity and 'looking good' trumps cold hard objective facts !! Can't believe this is coming from you who actually is a man of science himself (professionally speaking)

No wonder Fawad and Sadaf never get picked, even though one has scored, I don't know, how many billion runs while the other just takes truckloads of wickets for fun !! Seriously, we deserve to lose if this is the criteria for selection....

I sometimes don't even know why we even bother to hold QeA season after season, we should just....you know....hold a glorified net session and the top 15 who 'look' the most pleasing should be drafted into the national team....

What is the worst that could happen.....We might slide in the test rankings and become a minnow right ??? Well at least we'd have blokes who are technically correct and have perfect bio mechanical actions.

:14:
 
ahmadharis1 said:
I'm all for giving Junaid Khan another chance. He did well before injury and is having a very solid BPL.
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I agree junaid needs a bit of a look in right now. Poor guy spent all his life bowling on lifeless pitches and now an Australian tour is exactly what will show is what he's made of. Provided he is match fit. Aamir looks very tired.
 
In Pakistan Domestic First Class Cricket of Last 5 years Top Performing Fast Bowlers have Averaged between 13 to 20 with the Ball in a given season.


Be it be Sadaf, Shehzad, Sohail, Mir, Tabish, Abass, Nasir, Imran K, A Imran etc



While these are Junaid Khan's numbers of Last few seasons.


2014 (England) Bowling Average 49
2015 (Bangladesh) B Average 39
2015 (Srilanka) Bowling Average 180
2015-2016 (Pakistan) B Average 45
2016-2017 (Pakistan) B Average 44





He should make a comeback to Pakistan Test team on the basis of strong performances for his department WAPDA. Not on the basis of 4 overs of BPL T20 Cricket Spell.
 
Amir and Junaid are completely different bowlers. The only reason people seem to be comparing them is because if Amir had not made a comeback, Junaid would have got more chances in the team
 
Amir is an LoI specialist, not cut out for tests.

But even in ODIs Junaid outshines him as evidenced here.
 
Junaid and Amir should have been partnering us for months now. They're the best bowlers in Pakistan and by the end of the year, will be the best in Asia.
 
Bilal7 said:
Junaid and Amir should have been partnering us for months now. They're the best bowlers in Pakistan and by the end of the year, will be the best in Asia.
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I always love your positivity. Amen
 
Another bowler who is outperforming Mohammad Amir with the new ball
 
Loved the way he got under the skin of Warner.. He threw the ball at him, gave him a couple of stares.. beat his bat off the outside edge, and then got him out on the final ball of the delivery, the whole over he troubled him.. good spell of fast bowling, with aggression... he's not the quickest but his accuracy was very good.. and he swung it both ways
 
waleed88 said:
Loved the way he got under the skin of Warner.. He threw the ball at him, gave him a couple of stares.. beat his bat off the outside edge, and then got him out on the final ball of the delivery, the whole over he troubled him.. good spell of fast bowling, with aggression... he's not the quickest but his accuracy was very good.. and he swung it both ways
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That was the best spell of the series. After a long time a real Pak fast bowler giving it back to the Aussies!
 
Speedster777 said:
That was the best spell of the series. After a long time a real Pak fast bowler giving it back to the Aussies!
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The only excuse left now to defend Amir is that Junaid is not a faaaast bowler like Amir.. he only bowls 3-4kph slower, hence is trundler quality :))
 
Now Junaid misses out on a wicket... should've had three in this game
 
Great work by both.

Perhaps, they'll gel as a tandem with pressure from both ends?
 
Varun said:
Amir is an LoI specialist, not cut out for tests.

But even in ODIs Junaid outshines him as evidenced here.
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In ODIs outshines him how?

Has the better average than him and more wickets than him today. 6 wickets in 2 games on these flat pitches against a powerful Aussie lineup is very good. But yeah, these two should be our main bowlers.
 
I think junaid does better when he is competing against a fellow bowler.
 
Pakpak said:
In ODIs outshines him how?

Has the better average than him and more wickets than him today. 6 wickets in 2 games on these flat pitches against a powerful Aussie lineup is very good. But yeah, these two should be our main bowlers.
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Junaid should have got Cummin's wicket. But yeah both bowled well
 
Pakpak said:
In ODIs outshines him how?

Has the better average than him and more wickets than him today. 6 wickets in 2 games on these flat pitches against a powerful Aussie lineup is very good. But yeah, these two should be our main bowlers.
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5.. don't exaggerate please...

Junaid had Cummins out but was not given by umpire, then Amir got him out next over..

Junaid Khan to Cummins, no run, appeal for caught behind and not given. That really seemed out as there was a clear noise. HotSpot shows a clear mark and snicko also confirms the outside edge. It was short of good length and angling away. Cummins was trying to slap it away but there is not quite enough room and he skews it to the wicketkeeper. Pakistan does not have a review left - as per cricinfo commentary..

Besides Junaid got top order batsmen out unlike Amir the tailender especialist..

Also Junaid ran Starc out himself off his own bowling.. good contribution in the field too
 
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waleed88 said:
5.. don't exaggerate please...

Junaid had Cummins out but was not given by umpire, then Amir got him out next over..

Junaid Khan to Cummins, no run, appeal for caught behind and not given. That really seemed out as there was a clear noise. HotSpot shows a clear mark and snicko also confirms the outside edge. It was short of good length and angling away. Cummins was trying to slap it away but there is not quite enough room and he skews it to the wicketkeeper. Pakistan does not have a review left - as per cricinfo commentary..

Besides Junaid got top order batsmen out unlike Amir the tailender especialist..

Also Junaid ran Starc out himself off his own bowling.. good contribution in the field too
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Either way, both bowled well today. And Amir is excellent in LOIs, his average is a shade better than Junaid's too. Not sure why you're coming off as a whining ten year old though?
 
waleed88 said:
5.. don't exaggerate please...

Junaid had Cummins out but was not given by umpire, then Amir got him out next over..

Junaid Khan to Cummins, no run, appeal for caught behind and not given. That really seemed out as there was a clear noise. HotSpot shows a clear mark and snicko also confirms the outside edge. It was short of good length and angling away. Cummins was trying to slap it away but there is not quite enough room and he skews it to the wicketkeeper. Pakistan does not have a review left - as per cricinfo commentary..

Besides Junaid got top order batsmen out unlike Amir the tailender especialist..

Also Junaid ran Starc out himself off his own bowling.. good contribution in the field too
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Junaid Khan was better than Amir , aggressive and accurate right in his first game. he was seaming the ball which outdid Warner he was totally clueless against him. Never saw a bowler get under Warner's skin until today.

Going forward Amir and Junaid should partner the new ball. hassan should be third seamer.
 
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Pakpak said:
Either way, both bowled well today. And Amir is excellent in LOIs, his average is a shade better than Junaid's too. Not sure why you're coming off as a whining ten year old though?
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Giving credit where its due, Amir has bowled well today, but it doesn't hide that he has had a very very poor series.. so all this exaggeration about his bowling talents is not worth it.. he has one good spell and two bad ones..

Was pretty poor in his subsequent overs in the first game, and bowled poorly in the starting overs today, but bowled well in death..
 
Pakpak said:
Ali gave 65 runs at almost 7.2 an over as compared to Amir who gave 5.5 and got the two top batsman out. At worst their contribution was equal.
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When I say outperformed by another new ball bowler, I refer to the times Amir has been back in the side since July (Test matches and ODIs) with the number of new ball bowlers who've bowled better than him are just too many..

Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan have all done better than him with the new ball in Test Matches...

Junaid is not the only one to have done this
 
waleed88 said:
Giving credit where its due, Amir has bowled well today, but it doesn't hide that he has had a very very poor series.. so all this exaggeration about his bowling talents is not worth it.. he has one good spell and two bad ones..

Was pretty poor in his subsequent overs in the first game, and bowled poorly in the starting overs today, but bowled well in death..
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waleed88 said:
When I say outperformed by another new ball bowler, I refer to the times Amir has been back in the side since July (Test matches and ODIs) with the number of new ball bowlers who've bowled better than him are just too many..

Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan have all done better than him with the new ball in Test Matches...

Junaid is not the only one to have done this
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I literally a few posts above specifically mentioned ODIs. In your eagerness I think you misread what I wrote.
 
waleed88 said:
Hassan Ali bowled better than Amir last game
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See, you should try to stay consistent with your views.

Above you're saying that Junaid got more important wickets than Amir.

And now you're trying to say that Hasan dismissing Lynn, Maxwell and Starc is more important than Amir getting Warner and Smith off consecutive deliveries?

All three - Amir, Hasan and Junaid have bowled well in this series so far.
 
Misbah was blocking Junaid's inclusion in the team. It should be a case in point how this "gentleman" has caused damage to the team. He preferred to create a team of his friends and yes man who accept his defensive and brainless captaincy rather than create a team of fighters who can win matches outside of their comfort zones.
 
Speedster777 said:
Misbah was blocking Junaid's inclusion in the team. It should be a case in point how this "gentleman" has caused damage to the team. He preferred to create a team of his friends and yes man who accept his defensive and brainless captaincy rather than create a team of fighters who can win matches outside of their comfort zones.
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Yet he played 43 of his 52 matches under misbahs captaincy , LOL @ misbah blocking junaid khan. He got injured.
 
waleed88 said:
5.. don't exaggerate please...

Junaid had Cummins out but was not given by umpire, then Amir got him out next over..

Junaid Khan to Cummins, no run, appeal for caught behind and not given. That really seemed out as there was a clear noise. HotSpot shows a clear mark and snicko also confirms the outside edge. It was short of good length and angling away. Cummins was trying to slap it away but there is not quite enough room and he skews it to the wicketkeeper. Pakistan does not have a review left - as per cricinfo commentary..

Besides Junaid got top order batsmen out unlike Amir the tailender especialist..

Also Junaid ran Starc out himself off his own bowling.. good contribution in the field too
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When Amir's catches were getting dropped, you said deal with it.

Junaid's appeal is rejected, you mention it.

:))

This is incredibly biased.
 
Abdullah719 said:
See, you should try to stay consistent with your views.

Above you're saying that Junaid got more important wickets than Amir.

And now you're trying to say that Hasan dismissing Lynn, Maxwell and Starc is more important than Amir getting Warner and Smith off consecutive deliveries?

All three - Amir, Hasan and Junaid have bowled well in this series so far.
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Yes I should be consistent, I agree I may have been harsh on Mohammad Amir, my bias extends on Amir maybe its the frustration that carrying forward from the extremely disappointing performances in Test Matches.. And these 2-3 wickets are not compensating enough performances..

For eg. take yesterday's game.. why wasn't he able to pick more wickets after he picked up two at the top? There is inconsistency in Amir's performance... these 2-3 wickets are not enough man.. where is the 5'fer?
 
kingusama92 said:
When Amir's catches were getting dropped, you said deal with it.

Junaid's appeal is rejected, you mention it.

:))

This is incredibly biased.
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Actually I did mention Amir was unlucky in a few innings, a few dropped catches here and there.. however no such excuses can be given after the Aussie series and the way he bowled in Test Matches, he's bowled well so far in ODIs, but the question is where is the 5'fer, he doesn't have a 4'fer since he came back in ODIs.. 5'fer tou dhoor ki baat hai
 
Pakpak said:
I literally a few posts above specifically mentioned ODIs. In your eagerness I think you misread what I wrote.
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Well this is a head to head comparison between Amir and Junaid.. stats my say its Amir, but I think Junaid bowled better overall, not that I'm being biased or anything, Amir is more quicker than Junaid, but he is an absentee in one spell or the other...

Day before he bowled better with new and was absent with the old one..

Today the opposite..

We need Amir that bowled well in the first match first spell and bowled well today in his second spell in the second match
 
waleed88 said:
Well this is a head to head comparison between Amir and Junaid.. stats my say its Amir, but I think Junaid bowled better overall, not that I'm being biased or anything, Amir is more quicker than Junaid, but he is an absentee in one spell or the other...

Day before he bowled better with new and was absent with the old one..

Today the opposite..

We need Amir that bowled well in the first match first spell and bowled well today in his second spell in the second match
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Stats usually tell the unbiased truth, whether its to the readers' liking or not. Just like I accept Amir's poor average in recent Tests. Just the way it is.
 
Pakpak said:
Stats usually tell the unbiased truth, whether its to the readers' liking or not. Just like I accept Amir's poor average in recent Tests. Just the way it is.
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I may have an inclination towards Junaid, but if Amir had better stats this game, it might average out end of the series.. If both these two play again that is.. we'll have a better idea of who bowled better

I feel Junaid was overdue a recall in ODI and he was being ignored to give place to older bowlers like Sohail,Umar Gul and Wahab.. his pace is a reason people prefer Wahab over him, although its off from Amir by only 3-4 clicks.. bowled in the mid 130s for most of his innings
 
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waleed88 said:
I may have an inclination towards Junaid, but if Amir had better stats this game, it might average out end of the series.. If both these two play again that is..

I feel Junaid was overdue a recall in ODI and he was being ignored to give place to older bowlers like Sohail,Umar Gul and Wahab.. his pace is a reason people prefer Wahab over him, although its off from Amir by only 3-4 clicks.. bowled in the mid 130s for most of his innings
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I agree with your last paragraph. I'd have Junaid over Wahab, Gul etc anyday.
 
As for overall stats, guy played most of his ODIs in the subcontinent compared to Amir who's had foreign stints more.. 2010 and 2016.. I feel both are pretty equal to one another
 
waleed88 said:
As for overall stats, guy played most of his ODIs in the subcontinent compared to Amir who's had foreign stints more.. 2010 and 2016.. I feel both are pretty equal to one another
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Junaid has played 35% of his away games in Aus, Scotland, Eng, SA, Ireland vs Amir's 49%. However most of Amir's ODIs he has played were played when he was an 18 year old kid. The fact he outbowled all his grown up rivals those years marks highly in his favor.

Time will tell who will end better who won't. My money is on Amir.
 
Pakpak said:
Junaid has played 35% of his away games in Aus, Scotland, Eng, SA, Ireland vs Amir's 49%. However most of Amir's ODIs he has played were played when he was an 18 year old kid. The fact he outbowled all his grown up rivals those years marks highly in his favor.

Time will tell who will end better who won't. My money is on Amir.
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Junaid never played in Australia, that is factually incorrect.. he's played 2 series in SA and he's played Champions Trophy 2013 in England (3 matches).. and 2 matches in Ireland..

As compared to that Amir has played full series against NZ and Australia in their home countries, and is currently playing with them agaain has played a home series vs England in England in 2016, and a series in NZ in early 2016
 
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waleed88 said:
Junaid never played in Australia, that is factually incorrect.. he's played a series in SA and he's played Champions Trophy 2013 in England (3 matches).. and 2 matches in Ireland..

As compared to that Amir has played full series against NZ and Australia in their home countries, and is currently playing with them agaain has played a home series vs England in England in 2016, and a series in NZ in early 2016
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My bad, however as I said, most of Amir's games have been as a kid and he still bettered Junaid.

Not sure why you're so vehemently arguing against every point which makes Amir decent. Your biasness above was exposed by a few posters.

Both are Pakistani players and I don't care really who ends up where as long as win.
 
Pakpak said:
My bad, however as I said, most of Amir's games have been as a kid and he still bettered Junaid.

Not sure why you're so vehemently arguing against every point which makes Amir decent. Your biasness above was exposed by a few posters.

Both are Pakistani players and I don't care really who ends up where as long as win.
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Amir has had the rub of the green (literally) in terms of pitches in his favor.. Junaid has been the opposite..

Junaid never got his share of foreign tours that Amir got.. some would say it was Amir that took Junaid's spot because they appear to have a similar action, but Amir was termed superior in terms of swing and speed
 
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waleed88 said:
Amir has had the rub of the green (literally) in terms of pitches in his favor.. Junaid has been the opposite..

Junaid never got his share of foreign tours that Amir got.. some would say it was Amir that took Junaid's spot because they appear to have a similar action, but Amir was termed superior in terms of swing and speed
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Amir got the rub of the green yet he was a KID when he got that rub. If it was that easy then everyone would be doing it in England, Aus etc. Which balances out in my opinion. You don't agree with it, that's good for you.
 
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Pakpak said:
Amir got the rub of the green yet he was a KID when he got that rub. If it was that easy then everyone would be doing it in England, Aus etc. Which balances out in my opinion. You don't agree with it, that's good for you.
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That kid was a better bowler than many of his generation, but he is not the bowler he was.. judging him on his current performances.. giving him a lose end in the side because of his past performances has cost Pakistan this series, the guy didn't even pick up one wicket in his final two tests here.. was the biggest disappointment, since he was supposed to 'make his mark' here.. no 'dropped catches' or 'just coming back into the side' excuses either
 
waleed88 said:
That kid was a better bowler than many of his generation, but he is not the bowler he was.. judging him on his current performances.. giving him a lose end in the side because of his past performances has cost Pakistan this series, the guy didn't even pick up one wicket in his final two tests here.. was the biggest disappointment, since he was supposed to 'make his mark' here.. no 'dropped catches' or 'just coming back into the side' excuses either
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My God, do you even read?

I literally have pointed out twice above and once to you that Amir has been poor in Tests since his comeback.
 
I don't care tbh.

If Junaid is performing better than I will support him. I am not a blind Amir supporter.

Amir is not at the 2010 level. Above all he has to take wickets which he has done today.
 
90MPH said:
I don't care tbh.

If Junaid is performing better than I will support him. I am not a blind Amir supporter.

Amir is not at the 2010 level. Above all he has to take wickets.
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Precisely my thoughts. [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION] please read this.
 
Speedster777 said:
Misbah was blocking Junaid's inclusion in the team. It should be a case in point how this "gentleman" has caused damage to the team. He preferred to create a team of his friends and yes man who accept his defensive and brainless captaincy rather than create a team of fighters who can win matches outside of their comfort zones.
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Junaid had many chances under Misbah.
 
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By the way is this the first time they have played together after the U-19 world cup in 2008?

What a reunion today.
 
Mohammad Amir vs Junaid Khan: Head to Head Watch

Lets start the comparisons
 
Different sort of bowlers. Junaid has great control and knows how to take wickets. Amir post-ban has been lacking that. But Amir is a good defensive bowler(Where has he come to). Even in UAE in 2009 Amir was a handy bowler with good economy and could take wickets in the first 10 overs. No idea what is wrong with him.

Junaid on the other hand, he just needs someone on the opposite end to provide some control, the guy regardless of what you say about him knows how to take wickets. Like in India 2012-13, Irfan was providing economy while Junaid was taking wickets. Amir at the moment just isn't doing anything for wickets. It's natural instinct for a pacer to switch to defensive lines if fuller ones aren't working. Once and more importantly if, gets his venom(swing and zip) back, will become a lot better that what he has been post ban.

At the moment, I would take Junaid over Amir.
 
I would have to back Junaid as he seems to be bowling with control and been unlucky with a few sneaky boundaries.
 
Both are quality bowlers, with Amir more talented and Junaid tougher mentally. Hopefully, the management stops chopping and changing and gives them a long run as our main strike bowlers.

Can be just as good as the premier strike partnerships in cricket today. Whether that's Boult-Southee, Starc-Hazlewood or Rabada-Philander.
 
Junaid has been pretty ordinary ever since his comeback. Not much of a strike bowler, doesn't have the pace to rough up the batsman and leaks plenty of runs. Pakistan will be a lot better served dropping him and looking for replacements.
 
Hasan Ali should be included in this list he has been more consistent than either of them in the last year.
 
Bring back Rahat Ali and Sohail Khan please.

On a serious note, Junaid simply does not deserve to be in the squad and Amir also needs a couple of months off from int'l cricket to make slight adjustments.
 
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