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Justice for Abdullah Shafique: How is he not good enough for PSL?

I dont think I mentioned or indicated that the boy may give up all together due to the mental pressure this can apply on him.

Also, it is very easy for me and you to say stuff as 'perhaps professional sports isnt for you', considering our positions of luxury and privilege in life. This isnt quite the case for kids like Shafique who only really have cricket as their lifeline in otherwise a tough place like Pakistan. Ive been there plenty of times on holiday, Ive seen the conditions people live in when it comes to meagre means.

Besides, these are all irrelevant considering the actual issue at hand, and that is the irregularity, inconsistency between PSL, The Premier competition of Pakistan feeding talent to PCT T20i side.

How can Wasim Khan explain this? Misbah has no say in who the Franchises pick. Waqar is not guilty of this blunder either. Can Wasim Khan sab explain how a boy who was considered good enough to play for Pakistan by the coaches hired by him is not considered good enough by the Franchises who has has let the tournament to?

Responding briefly as I am in a hurry rn. Wasim Khan can't dictate to the PSL franchises on who they have to pick. If anything people should be expressing their ire at the PSL franchise owners and psl franchise coaches, captains as they are the ones who ultimately decided on who to retain, not to retain, who to pick and ignore. Even the PSL franchise owners ultimately leave all these decisions to the franchise coaches and captains so best to be angry at the respective coaches and captains of the franchise teams
 
He is a 4 day player not a t20 ..... leave him alone as a Test player...... and pick him in tests only
 
Why are some acting like he's entitled to be selected?

Franchises make their own decisions, and base it off who can perform now, they're not here to develop players. Abdullah looked like a tailender in NZ less than a month ago, so I don't blame them for not selecting him. He should take this as an indication that he needs to improve.
 
I’ve been very clear about my point and laid it down very clearly. I brought Indian batsmen into the discussion because they are the hallmarks of batting, and any youngster around the world, even if they are Nepali or Swiss or Irish, would aspire to become Virat Kohli regardless of whether they are as gifted.

My very clearly laid out question was about what to do to develop Abdullah, keeping top batsmen around the world in mind and how they themselves have developed. Your confused mind is quick to home in on what it is seeking, however, and thus I cannot blame your bitter refusal to read the rest of my posts and perhaps, for once, answer the question. Again, if you’re not interested in discussing things with me, then by all means don’t pretend to.

I’m very ready to have a civil conversation with you. Ball’s in your court.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] running away again after insulting me? Oho. Still waiting on the answer to this question about what’s best for Abdullah. Oh and all the previous times you’ve insulted me and run away after I asked you for some constructive direction :(
 
Flawed reasoning

He was on national duty, not on some world tour like Michael Jackson. What did you make of those 4 balls that he faced in his international career.

Surely a guy who is good enough to play for his country at the age of 20 on an overseas tour is good enough to make it in any one of the 6 PSL franchises. And he is most definitely good enough to be picked in the supplementary picks.

There is absolutely no way that he isn’t in the top 50-70 T20 cricketers of Pakistan who were selected for the Franchises.... but he was good enough to play for Pakistan just a month ago.

Flawed reasoning. Just because PCB makes the mistake doesn't mean franchise should do the same.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] running away again after insulting me? Oho. Still waiting on the answer to this question about what’s best for Abdullah. Oh and all the previous times you’ve insulted me and run away after I asked you for some constructive direction :(

What a lame question. He is probably yet another talentless, mentally weak young Pakistani cricketer.

After soiling his pants in the NZ T20I series, he has no business playing in PSL. You can blame Misbah for selecting a mental midget like him or you can blame the mental midget for getting exposed in brutal fashion.

So I checked his profile and he has apparently played only 1 FC match, which shows the worrying trend of fast-tracking players with no FC experience.

He will probably never do well in the long run, but for now, he needs a full FC season before his potential return to international cricket can be discussed. Moreover, he will get his chance in the PSL in the future at some point as well.

Him missing out this season is not the end of the world. The title of this thread is laughable. You would think the guy has lost his career because he missed out on one PSL season. Talk about being dramatic.

The memories of his humiliation in NZ are still fresh. It would have taken a considerable leap of faith by the franchises to invest in him this season because he did not look like a T20 player in any shape or form in the NZ series, heck he did not even look like a decent batsman.

It is not about the scores but about the way he got out. He seems like a product of hype machine where people get fooled by performances against rubbish local bowling. Pakistani bowlers are among the worst in the world today, both international and domestic.

Even if he would have been picked for PSL this season, he would be warming the bench, so what is the point?
 
What a lame question. He is probably yet another talentless, mentally weak young Pakistani cricketer.

After soiling his pants in the NZ T20I series, he has no business playing in PSL. You can blame Misbah for selecting a mental midget like him or you can blame the mental midget for getting exposed in brutal fashion.

So I checked his profile and he has apparently played only 1 FC match, which shows the worrying trend of fast-tracking players with no FC experience.

He will probably never do well in the long run, but for now, he needs a full FC season before his potential return to international cricket can be discussed. Moreover, he will get his chance in the PSL in the future at some point as well.

Him missing out this season is not the end of the world. The title of this thread is laughable. You would think the guy has lost his career because he missed out on one PSL season. Talk about being dramatic.

The memories of his humiliation in NZ are still fresh. It would have taken a considerable leap of faith by the franchises to invest in him this season because he did not look like a T20 player in any shape or form in the NZ series, heck he did not even look like a decent batsman.

It is not about the scores but about the way he got out. He seems like a product of hype machine where people get fooled by performances against rubbish local bowling. Pakistani bowlers are among the worst in the world today, both international and domestic.

Even if he would have been picked for PSL this season, he would be warming the bench, so what is the point?

Franchises have taken a leap of faith on quite a few rubbish players. They all had no idea on which emerging player to pick. Even if he didn’t get picked in the first 4 categories before the emerging player pick, he still deserved selection in the supplementary pick.

If you have no interest in PSL or Pakistani player development, maybe stay out of such threads?
 
To get selected in PSL you need talent as well as contacts . Abdullah has talent but no contacts I guess

How did he manage to play for Pakistan aftee onlh couple domestic innings if hes got no contacts
 
Am I missing something? I finally pulled up his Cricinfo page and saw he has played a grand total of - wait for it - one FC game.

Where does the hype come from? What is all this about "he is a better long form player" than in T20?

He hasn't played much T20 either. Just 13 games.
 
Am I missing something? I finally pulled up his Cricinfo page and saw he has played a grand total of - wait for it - one FC game.

Where does the hype come from? What is all this about "he is a better long form player" than in T20?

He hasn't played much T20 either. Just 13 games.

Yaishavi Jaiswal had played 4 T20s before his 3 IPL games :shh
 
Yaishavi Jaiswal had played 4 T20s before his 3 IPL games :shh

I don't know who that is. I don't care about IPL.

Answer my question. On what basis is this Abdullah Shafique being hyped?
 
I don't know who that is. I don't care about IPL.

Answer my question. On what basis is this Abdullah Shafique being hyped?

Who is hyping him in this thread? It’s a simple question of how is it correct that a man is deemed good enough by everyone at the time to represent his country but isn’t considered good enough to play in the Premier T20 competition of that country?
 
Who is hyping him in this thread? It’s a simple question of how is it correct that a man is deemed good enough by everyone at the time to represent his country but isn’t considered good enough to play in the Premier T20 competition of that country?

Maybe it's the case that after just 13 T20 matches and a solitary FC game, he's not ready for wider representation after all, and the franchises have more brainpower on this subject than the PCB.

My issue is with posts like this, how do posters know he's more suited to longer formats on the back of 1 FC game? :

Don't think he was a must pick for the PSL. If anything him not being drafted shows what a poor decision it was by Misbah to debut Abdullah in T20's when his game is clearly more suited to longer formats.
 
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To those saying 'he's only played 1 first-class game' yes. But he also played 6 second XI games, which are basically first-class games too, and would have been if played a year earlier.

In those 6 game, he scored 545 runs at an average of 68. Scored a double hundred in only his second game. Still the ONLY batsman to score a double ton in second XI.

Second XI isn't like first XI where pitches are flat. Super tough pitches in second XI.
 
To those saying 'he's only played 1 first-class game' yes. But he also played 6 second XI games, which are basically first-class games too, and would have been if played a year earlier.

In those 6 game, he scored 545 runs at an average of 68. Scored a double hundred in only his second game. Still the ONLY batsman to score a double ton in second XI.

Second XI isn't like first XI where pitches are flat. Super tough pitches in second XI.

Didn’t you also say that he was on par with Babar? Is that due to his second XI exploits?...
 
Am I missing something? I finally pulled up his Cricinfo page and saw he has played a grand total of - wait for it - one FC game.

Where does the hype come from? What is all this about "he is a better long form player" than in T20?

He hasn't played much T20 either. Just 13 games.

He posted a few net sessions on his twitter page and is rumoured to be 'a hard worker'.

That's all it takes to get excited about a batsman in Pakistan these days.
 
He posted a few net sessions on his twitter page and is rumoured to be 'a hard worker'.

That's all it takes to get excited about a batsman in Pakistan these days.

He's going to be another busted flush like Naseem Shah.

I mean if you're going to hype somebody at least have some foundation to go on.
 
He's going to be another busted flush like Naseem Shah.

I mean if you're going to hype somebody at least have some foundation to go on.

Doesn’t change the fact that he is a good batsman. And he was picked by Misbah, Waqar and Babar Azam. I’m sure they are not the greatest identifiers of talent but they are still proper cricketers who know this trade better than random posters on the internet.

If they thought that he was good enough for the job in the first place, how is he not good enough for the franchises now? How is Abdullah Shafique not in the top 50-70 Pakistani cricketers selected in the PSL?
 
Best thing for him right now is perform in Pakistan Cup then go to Muhammad Yousuf during PSL window.

I’ll say, top priority for PCB is to hire 10-12 qualified batting coaches for U16, 19 & emerging teams - even from Srilanka will serve the purpose.
 
What a lame question. He is probably yet another talentless, mentally weak young Pakistani cricketer.

After soiling his pants in the NZ T20I series, he has no business playing in PSL. You can blame Misbah for selecting a mental midget like him or you can blame the mental midget for getting exposed in brutal fashion.

So I checked his profile and he has apparently played only 1 FC match, which shows the worrying trend of fast-tracking players with no FC experience.

He will probably never do well in the long run, but for now, he needs a full FC season before his potential return to international cricket can be discussed. Moreover, he will get his chance in the PSL in the future at some point as well.

Him missing out this season is not the end of the world. The title of this thread is laughable. You would think the guy has lost his career because he missed out on one PSL season. Talk about being dramatic.

The memories of his humiliation in NZ are still fresh. It would have taken a considerable leap of faith by the franchises to invest in him this season because he did not look like a T20 player in any shape or form in the NZ series, heck he did not even look like a decent batsman.

It is not about the scores but about the way he got out. He seems like a product of hype machine where people get fooled by performances against rubbish local bowling. Pakistani bowlers are among the worst in the world today, both international and domestic.

Even if he would have been picked for PSL this season, he would be warming the bench, so what is the point?

Barring the first couple of lines, thanks for the civil reply. A largely (rare) well constructed analysis on the root problem - his lack of first class cricket and fast tracking to the senior team. Extrapolating from this, it might be fair to also build on your same argument and say there was a categorical issue with the selection process - would it be fair, then, to rebut an argument you have sometimes made about how Misbah is not the problem, or how if Abdullah was not selected, fans would be blaming Misbah and asking for him to be included, but now that he is included, we’re asking for someone else?

Essentially, your classic argument is to pinpoint blame back on fans for being delusional. We’re delusional for asking for Misbah to be sacked as Chief Selector for example. But extrapolating on the same argument you just made, which I agree with, you are indirectly helping conclude that fans are not delusional for saying that Misbah has made some terrible mistakes as selector and that proper selection might have allowed a better result (whether marginally better or much better, that we cannot say, but we can say that the process was wrong).

This is a guy who has all the shots, has a lot of time to play the ball, and knows how to build an innings at the grade level, particularly in three day and four day games. Why the heck has he been hyped and thrown straight into international T20 cricket?
 
Barring the first couple of lines, thanks for the civil reply. A largely (rare) well constructed analysis on the root problem - his lack of first class cricket and fast tracking to the senior team. Extrapolating from this, it might be fair to also build on your same argument and say there was a categorical issue with the selection process - would it be fair, then, to rebut an argument you have sometimes made about how Misbah is not the problem, or how if Abdullah was not selected, fans would be blaming Misbah and asking for him to be included, but now that he is included, we’re asking for someone else?

Essentially, your classic argument is to pinpoint blame back on fans for being delusional. We’re delusional for asking for Misbah to be sacked as Chief Selector for example. But extrapolating on the same argument you just made, which I agree with, you are indirectly helping conclude that fans are not delusional for saying that Misbah has made some terrible mistakes as selector and that proper selection might have allowed a better result (whether marginally better or much better, that we cannot say, but we can say that the process was wrong).

This is a guy who has all the shots, has a lot of time to play the ball, and knows how to build an innings at the grade level, particularly in three day and four day games. Why the heck has he been hyped and thrown straight into international T20 cricket?

If he had all the shots and a lot of time to play the ball, he would have shown glimpses of if in the NZ series. This excuse that he shouldn’t have been picked for this or that format is just a coping mechanism by fans who cannot defend how terrible he looked.

A batsman with all the shots and a lot of time to play the ball will at least hit a few crisp boundaries on flat wickets with short boundaries. He didn’t look like an international standard player from any angle.

The problem is that Pakistani bowling is a joke these days. It is not hard to look good against them. This guy got hyped to the moon and back because he appeared to have a lot of shots and plenty of time against minnow level bowling but got found out by proper bowlers in NZ, and it was actually NZ reserve attack.

Imagine if he had to face someone like L Ferguson.
 
If he had all the shots and a lot of time to play the ball, he would have shown glimpses of if in the NZ series. This excuse that he shouldn’t have been picked for this or that format is just a coping mechanism by fans who cannot defend how terrible he looked.

A batsman with all the shots and a lot of time to play the ball will at least hit a few crisp boundaries on flat wickets with short boundaries. He didn’t look like an international standard player from any angle.

The problem is that Pakistani bowling is a joke these days. It is not hard to look good against them. This guy got hyped to the moon and back because he appeared to have a lot of shots and plenty of time against minnow level bowling but got found out by proper bowlers in NZ, and it was actually NZ reserve attack.

Imagine if he had to face someone like L Ferguson.

Read my post again. I am saying he shouldn’t have been picked for any format. Just like you are - we are in agreement. Somehow, though, you are saying on other threads that Misbah’s selection is fine and it’s the fans that are the problem. So what is it?
 
Am I missing something? I finally pulled up his Cricinfo page and saw he has played a grand total of - wait for it - one FC game.

Where does the hype come from? What is all this about "he is a better long form player" than in T20?

He hasn't played much T20 either. Just 13 games.

If you have seen him bat in T20s, you can clearly see he's not cut out to play them. He's lacking the power game. Even the runs he scored in the NT20 Cup were mostly proper cricket shots. Not saying he's going to be an amazing player, just saying that if he is to succeed, it'll probably be in ODIs and Tests.
 
He might have been picked for the T20 national team based on his performance in the NT20 where he was one of the best batsmen and made a 100 but he didn’t look at ease internationally.

With only 1 FC game and no List A games it’s impossible to pick him for other formats and it’s also disappointing he’s been rejected by PSL where there’s more opportunity to learn and develop his game.
 
Please guys. What is this nonsense by the Franchises? I don’t particularly like Abdullah or believe he will become our Shubman Gill but I can’t stand this injustice!

How is a guy deemed good enough to represent Pakistan International Men’s squad in a difficult place like New Zealand, against bowling attacks consisting of Trent Boult, Tim Southee, Mitch Santner etc not good enough to be selected by 6 PSL franchises????

Mind baffling stuff! How can we sleep knowing this young man is probably hurting so bad? Koi aqal ko haath pair maaro dosto! He wasn’t even picked in the supplementary pick! This is a complete farce!

I don’t want to name others who have been picked whilst he hasn’t, but surely there has been some mistake here?

Franchises are all about money they only select player who they think will win them the tournament. They don't hire based on wishful thinking. Abdullah Shafique has potential but he needs to prove himself. He was taken on the tour but due to injuries he got played and then he failed.

There is plenty of time for him to improve his game and perform. He will get Selected if he does that.
 
If you have seen him bat in T20s, you can clearly see he's not cut out to play them. He's lacking the power game. Even the runs he scored in the NT20 Cup were mostly proper cricket shots. Not saying he's going to be an amazing player, just saying that if he is to succeed, it'll probably be in ODIs and Tests.

Even in ODIs and Tests, counting on him to be a potential superstar is like picking a penny stock and hoping for it to be the next Amazon. Could happen of course, but there's a 99% chance it won't and you're better off sticking to proven domestic performers.

I checked out his Twitter. It's all marketing stuff in there - perhaps that's what causing some of the appeal. Don't fall for it. How many players have you burned your fingers with like this?
 
Even in ODIs and Tests, counting on him to be a potential superstar is like picking a penny stock and hoping for it to be the next Amazon. Could happen of course, but there's a 99% chance it won't and you're better off sticking to proven domestic performers.

I checked out his Twitter. It's all marketing stuff in there - perhaps that's what causing some of the appeal. Don't fall for it. How many players have you burned your fingers with like this?

Trust me I'm not a part of the hype machine. Look at my replies in this thread.
 
Maybe it's the case that after just 13 T20 matches and a solitary FC game, he's not ready for wider representation after all, and the franchises have more brainpower on this subject than the PCB.

My issue is with posts like this, how do posters know he's more suited to longer formats on the back of 1 FC game? :

I'm not saying he's ready to play Test cricket, just that players like him (technically sound but not big hitters) don't usually excel at T20 cricket unless they're at the level of Babar, Williamson, Root, etc. since the format caters to big hitters.
 
If he had all the shots and a lot of time to play the ball, he would have shown glimpses of if in the NZ series. This excuse that he shouldn’t have been picked for this or that format is just a coping mechanism by fans who cannot defend how terrible he looked.

A batsman with all the shots and a lot of time to play the ball will at least hit a few crisp boundaries on flat wickets with short boundaries. He didn’t look like an international standard player from any angle.

The problem is that Pakistani bowling is a joke these days. It is not hard to look good against them. This guy got hyped to the moon and back because he appeared to have a lot of shots and plenty of time against minnow level bowling but got found out by proper bowlers in NZ, and it was actually NZ reserve attack.

Imagine if he had to face someone like L Ferguson.

4 balls lol
 
He'll be picked if they allowed 20 players per squad.

I recon he will play this year. Lots of players get injured and people are drafted in out of the blue.

If I recall, Salman Butt was not a supplementary pick when LQ drafted him in? Same with Abid Ali last year. Keep the noise up and he will be the one drafted in InshaAllah
 
I recon he will play this year. Lots of players get injured and people are drafted in out of the blue.

If I recall, Salman Butt was not a supplementary pick when LQ drafted him in? Same with Abid Ali last year. Keep the noise up and he will be the one drafted in InshaAllah

Exactly! every year replacements. He'll play have a feeling
 
Central Punjab's match will be live-streamed today. I might check it out if Abdullah and Zaryab are playing.
 
@bullet_drive

I don’t claim to be a qualified batting coach but I did notice one glaring issue that I see in his batting. Maybe he has grown up playing like this so it might not be an issue for Abdullah, but Southee did expose it and it will be a problem when he comes across better bowlers.

I noticed that he really takes the head in line with ball theory very seriously, and so he should. But his head is tilting forward even when attempting a pull shot to a short ball. I was trying to do this (in my own shadow batting lol) but it just seems very, very hard.

So basically his head has a natural inclination to tilt or decline towards the ball. It works very well on the fuller deliveries and he should be playing the cover drives, straight and on drives very well. But it will be very hard to keep it going with the short ball strategy especially if he is looking to score runs off it.

I might be wrong, ignorant but maybe it is something that I can suggest or has already been suggested to him.
 
@bullet_drive

I don’t claim to be a qualified batting coach but I did notice one glaring issue that I see in his batting. Maybe he has grown up playing like this so it might not be an issue for Abdullah, but Southee did expose it and it will be a problem when he comes across better bowlers.

I noticed that he really takes the head in line with ball theory very seriously, and so he should. But his head is tilting forward even when attempting a pull shot to a short ball. I was trying to do this (in my own shadow batting lol) but it just seems very, very hard.

So basically his head has a natural inclination to tilt or decline towards the ball. It works very well on the fuller deliveries and he should be playing the cover drives, straight and on drives very well. But it will be very hard to keep it going with the short ball strategy especially if he is looking to score runs off it.

I might be wrong, ignorant but maybe it is something that I can suggest or has already been suggested to him.

Hmm. Maybe. But in the national T20, he hardly played anything like that. He was striking at 130 with proper cricket shots. Played short ball well vs Wahab, smashed him in front of square.

Technically he is VERY good. I've spoken with a batting coach, Gio Collusi who is well renowned about Abdullah during the series. He said don't worry, it was just nerves. The guy has played for 15 years and has hit hundred of thousands of balls, and people are writing him off after 4 balls?

Kane Williamson scored 2 ducks in his first 2 games.
 
Hmm. Maybe. But in the national T20, he hardly played anything like that. He was striking at 130 with proper cricket shots. Played short ball well vs Wahab, smashed him in front of square.

Technically he is VERY good. I've spoken with a batting coach, Gio Collusi who is well renowned about Abdullah during the series. He said don't worry, it was just nerves. The guy has played for 15 years and has hit hundred of thousands of balls, and people are writing him off after 4 balls?

Kane Williamson scored 2 ducks in his first 2 games.

That is sad unfortunately. We have a very hostile attitude towards younger players in Pakistan I’m afraid. They are not spared unlike the SENA younger players who are given plenty of chances once they have been identified to play a decade and a half for their countries.

To me, he looks like a very sensible player. Only a matter of time, but he needs to be kept in the loop and continuing to learn at every platform he is provided. BCCI provides its future youngsters plenty of opportunity in IPL, we should not be discarding ours in the PSL.
 
I don't know anything, but I have a feeling it will be:

Tayyab, Rizwan(golden boy), Abdullah and Akhlaq.

Top scorer Zaryab from last game dropped.

Rizwan averages 22 in list-a

His last three scores are 48, 28, and finally 6.

Central Punjab are currently bottom of the table, I’m pretty sure if they make changes he’ll be the first place they start.

The other opener is Tayyab who scored 3, 47, 52. Ali Zaryab has 68 in just his first match.

So either they won’t bring Abdullah in at all, or they’ll drop Rizwan. I’d be surprised if anything else were to happen.
 
4 balls lol

If he only faced 4 balls, he only has himself to blame. He didn’t get unlucky; he got out to nothing deliveries.

He looked at least 2-3 level below international standard. The problem is that Pakistani bowlers are among the worst in the world. You will find more talented and skilled bowlers in Ireland and Zimbabwe. It is not hard to look like a proper batsman against this lot.

Shafique faced a New Zealand reserve attack and it looked like he has never batted against this level of bowling in his entire life.

Let our young batsmen prove something against good attacks before our fans start hyping them. We saw the same with Sahibzada Farhan.

On the other hand, Haider Ali also failed but at least he has shown something against good attacks to prove that he has got the capability to succeed at this level.
 
Read my post again. I am saying he shouldn’t have been picked for any format. Just like you are - we are in agreement. Somehow, though, you are saying on other threads that Misbah’s selection is fine and it’s the fans that are the problem. So what is it?

The issue is that our fans are desperate and always looking for saviors and messiahs in these young players.

When player A is selected and fails, it is the selector’s mistake because he should have picked B, and if B was picked, he would also fail and then in that case, A would have been the right option.

For months, I kept hearing that Khushdil is the answer to our power-hitting vaccum in the lower-order, and when he got his chance, he proved to be a joke against Zimbabwe and New Zealand.

If Naseem was still in domestics, we would keep hearing that he is the solution to our fast bowling problems and should be drafted in immediately.

Fawad Alam was supposed to be a victim who was robbed of a million runs, but since his comeback, he has looked like an average player who has failed every single time barring one useless stats boosting innings.

He is averaging mid 20s at the age of 35 in spite of all the wealth of experience in FC cricket. If you look at the scorecards you would think that we are still playing Shafiq, and he was getting blasted by the fans for the same type of returns.

Our fans need to stop blaming the selectors and acknowledge the fact that 99% of the players coming through are deeply mediocre. They lack talent, skill and mentality.
 
Did anyone see how he got out today similar to New Zealand series flicking to mid on.

I think he doesn't learn, maybe his mind doesn't work.
 
That is sad unfortunately. We have a very hostile attitude towards younger players in Pakistan I’m afraid. They are not spared unlike the SENA younger players who are given plenty of chances once they have been identified to play a decade and a half for their countries.

To me, he looks like a very sensible player. Only a matter of time, but he needs to be kept in the loop and continuing to learn at every platform he is provided. BCCI provides its future youngsters plenty of opportunity in IPL, we should not be discarding ours in the PSL.

People expect performance from all players - its normal to be questioned.
 
The issue is that our fans are desperate and always looking for saviors and messiahs in these young players.

When player A is selected and fails, it is the selector’s mistake because he should have picked B, and if B was picked, he would also fail and then in that case, A would have been the right option.

For months, I kept hearing that Khushdil is the answer to our power-hitting vaccum in the lower-order, and when he got his chance, he proved to be a joke against Zimbabwe and New Zealand.

If Naseem was still in domestics, we would keep hearing that he is the solution to our fast bowling problems and should be drafted in immediately.

Fawad Alam was supposed to be a victim who was robbed of a million runs, but since his comeback, he has looked like an average player who has failed every single time barring one useless stats boosting innings.

He is averaging mid 20s at the age of 35 in spite of all the wealth of experience in FC cricket. If you look at the scorecards you would think that we are still playing Shafiq, and he was getting blasted by the fans for the same type of returns.

Our fans need to stop blaming the selectors and acknowledge the fact that 99% of the players coming through are deeply mediocre. They lack talent, skill and mentality.

You sound like a broken record. For once can you get out of your self serving loop and read what other people are saying? I predicted you’d say these exact words, which maybe you’d know if you had actually read any of my previous posts, where I talked about the inherent paradox of you accepting that Abdullah was a bad selection decision and shouldn’t have been thrown into the deep end off of one first class game but you are also insistent on this A not B but if B not A argument when you are also admitting there is a clear defect in the process to select A and therefore you agree with the very fans you are calling delusional. By extension, you are the single most delusional person here because not only are you delusional the way the rest of us are, but we realize what our exact stance is while you don’t even know that you have the exact same stance, but choose to change this at the last moment so as to appear smart and contrarian and include a couple potshots at your favorite targets.

Wake up, brother.
 
You sound like a broken record. For once can you get out of your self serving loop and read what other people are saying? I predicted you’d say these exact words, which maybe you’d know if you had actually read any of my previous posts, where I talked about the inherent paradox of you accepting that Abdullah was a bad selection decision and shouldn’t have been thrown into the deep end off of one first class game but you are also insistent on this A not B but if B not A argument when you are also admitting there is a clear defect in the process to select A and therefore you agree with the very fans you are calling delusional. By extension, you are the single most delusional person here because not only are you delusional the way the rest of us are, but we realize what our exact stance is while you don’t even know that you have the exact same stance, but choose to change this at the last moment so as to appear smart and contrarian and include a couple potshots at your favorite targets.

Wake up, brother.

Wake up for what? You are using a lot of words without saying anything. What is this word salad for?

Shafique is an average player who looked out of his depth in the NZ series. If he had done well, posters like you would be praising him and hyping him further.

Now that he failed, and failed miserably, it is Misbah’s fault for selecting him. This is so typical.

I am not even saying that Shafique was a good or bad selection. My point is that he, along with pretty much 99% of the players coming through the system, is bog average.

As a result, there is no point in blaming the selectors because they didn’t leave up some world beater at home by opting to select Shafique.

Our fans will make every excuse under the sun and will keep blaming XYZ and shy away from the reality that Pakistan is now a very poor cricket nation and the players coming through are nothing special.

Sure you can be positive about the future and hope that the revamped FC structure will yield results down the line. I don’t think it will, but it is a whole different topic.
 
Did anyone see how he got out today similar to New Zealand series flicking to mid on.

I think he doesn't learn, maybe his mind doesn't work.

I was thinking that...need someone to sort that out for him. Maybe yousuf at NHPC
 
Not playing PSL may not be a bad thing if there is a pathway for him. I mean here is a kid who got picked very early after a few knocks and played at the highest level. It will be unfair to judge him and dump him forever on basis of that. If he is being monitored and worked on then that is fine but don’t think Pakistan cricket has such systems set in place.
 
Am I missing something? I finally pulled up his Cricinfo page and saw he has played a grand total of - wait for it - one FC game.

Where does the hype come from? What is all this about "he is a better long form player" than in T20?

He hasn't played much T20 either. Just 13 games.

:))) WTH.

Is this the guy who had a thread vs Gill. On what basis? There could well come a young Pakistani batsman who's equal to or better than Gill, but where does such confidence come from while making these threads.
 
:))) WTH.

Is this the guy who had a thread vs Gill. On what basis? There could well come a young Pakistani batsman who's equal to or better than Gill, but where does such confidence come from while making these threads.

Does it really surprise you? :))

Anyways on topic, is it does feel little unfair on a young inexperience rookie made to debut in Nzl of all places in an unforgiving format like T20 and then totally abandoned after a few failures.

If he was considered that special to be picked on basis of a couple of knocks then he should be managed,monitored, developed. If he was never good enough to begin with, then some one should be accountable for picking him.

Either ways you look at it, it is unfair and have to feel bad for a youngster. He needs immense mental strength to bounce back now.
 
Wake up for what? You are using a lot of words without saying anything. What is this word salad for?

Shafique is an average player who looked out of his depth in the NZ series. If he had done well, posters like you would be praising him and hyping him further.

Now that he failed, and failed miserably, it is Misbah’s fault for selecting him. This is so typical.

I am not even saying that Shafique was a good or bad selection. My point is that he, along with pretty much 99% of the players coming through the system, is bog average.

As a result, there is no point in blaming the selectors because they didn’t leave up some world beater at home by opting to select Shafique.

Our fans will make every excuse under the sun and will keep blaming XYZ and shy away from the reality that Pakistan is now a very poor cricket nation and the players coming through are nothing special.

Sure you can be positive about the future and hope that the revamped FC structure will yield results down the line. I don’t think it will, but it is a whole different topic.

I believe, he was in line for debut as “Test opener”, but those T20 scores put water in PP’s spirit.

The blunder that PP makes every time - be it for bowler or batsman that cricket isn’t an ‘event’ based sports, rather its a game of endurance and continuation. The kpi of this game is not based on success rather failure. I can explain - a batsman can hit couple of astonishing drives & cuts, no good if he gets out next over, therefore batting is not about execution of few cute shots rather stay in middle for hours and do a repetitive task with perfection & zero tolerance.

Take about baseball- in 8 innings a hitter can fail, but he can win the game with one shot on 9th innings - his kpi is not to hit cute shots every time he bats, rather to execute even just one perfect shot in entire game. Same goes for bowling as well - Naseem does bowl few really good balls in between - but, he can’t back it up with sustained pressure, bowls lit many trash. PP only see those few balls, but not the rest.

I hope PCB’S nest CS is not as trigger happy as PP and more into Misbah’s laid-back mood, when it comes to hire & fire youngster talents.
 
Let him develop guys. He just made his list A debut today. I hope he gets a run of games and stays away from national set up for time being.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] with all due respect you guys are spewing utter nonsense. Aside from one guy who compared Abdullah to Gill, no one drank from any fountain here on PP to call for Abdullah’s debut - you can go back and check and you’ll find posts from me saying this guy looks decent and has potential but has barely played First Class, and selecting him is a bad idea. This is before he was played mind you, and before he failed.


As far as my word salad goes - it’s ironic, Mamoon, that your utterly paradoxical and hypocritical claims are coming to the fore and you rush to cover your tracks by spitballing the opposite of your earlier claims. You are indeed saying that Shafique was a bad selection, but you must use lines like I’m not even saying this so as to deflect the issue entirely.

No one is disputing that the majority of players coming through the ranks are incredibly average. It’s just your sorry and bitter mindset that forces you to convolute your statements so that ultimately the blame falls on the fans, because it seems you have a vendetta not against bad selection but against the fans for calling out bad selection.

Now let me repeat, if you agree that it was a grossly incompetent endeavor to select Shafique after one first class game, then we have nothing to argue about.
 
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He is only young. As we've seen with most young batsmen, they often don't get many chances in the PSL so I don't think he will miss out too much at this stage. Hopefully the tour to NZ will help make the lad tougher and realise how difficult the international scene is so that way he can come back and play to his potential
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] with all due respect you guys are spewing utter nonsense. Aside from one guy who compared Abdullah to Gill, no one drank from any fountain here on PP to call for Abdullah’s debut - you can go back and check and you’ll find posts from me saying this guy looks decent and has potential but has barely played First Class, and selecting him is a bad idea. This is before he was played mind you, and before he failed.


As far as my word salad goes - it’s ironic, Mamoon, that your utterly paradoxical and hypocritical claims are coming to the fore and you rush to cover your tracks by spitballing the opposite of your earlier claims. You are indeed saying that Shafique was a bad selection, but you must use lines like I’m not even saying this so as to deflect the issue entirely.

No one is disputing that the majority of players coming through the ranks are incredibly average. It’s just your sorry and bitter mindset that forces you to convolute your statements so that ultimately the blame falls on the fans, because it seems you have a vendetta not against bad selection but against the fans for calling out bad selection.

Now let me repeat, if you agree that it was a grossly incompetent endeavor to select Shafique after one first class game, then we have nothing to argue about.

Shafique would be a bad selection if there was an alternative good selection. Can you list any names who would you consider as “good” selections for T20 cricket at the moment? Whoever you name, I can guarantee you that the chances are high that they would also flop with flying colors.

The blame goes to the fans indeed. It is their delusional expectations that are the problem. Pakistan cricket has no divine right to be among the top sides, but fans hype average cricketers out of sheer desperation and then make excuses and blame the selectors when they don’t meet exceptions.

The excuses also change with time. The excuse for Shafique now is that he is inexperienced. When he will gain experience and fail, the excuse will then change.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] with all due respect you guys are spewing utter nonsense. Aside from one guy who compared Abdullah to Gill, no one drank from any fountain here on PP to call for Abdullah’s debut - you can go back and check and you’ll find posts from me saying this guy looks decent and has potential but has barely played First Class, and selecting him is a bad idea. This is before he was played mind you, and before he failed.


As far as my word salad goes - it’s ironic, Mamoon, that your utterly paradoxical and hypocritical claims are coming to the fore and you rush to cover your tracks by spitballing the opposite of your earlier claims. You are indeed saying that Shafique was a bad selection, but you must use lines like I’m not even saying this so as to deflect the issue entirely.

No one is disputing that the majority of players coming through the ranks are incredibly average. It’s just your sorry and bitter mindset that forces you to convolute your statements so that ultimately the blame falls on the fans, because it seems you have a vendetta not against bad selection but against the fans for calling out bad selection.

Now let me repeat, if you agree that it was a grossly incompetent endeavor to select Shafique after one first class game, then we have nothing to argue about.

Why r u taking personally - I didn’t mention you. In fact, you are one good sense without attitude problem.

Coming to the hype part - I don’t want to waste time here - scroll back 2-3 months and read some threads .... no, I’m not talking about Gill thread. That was beyond joke hence I didn’t even post there.

Regarding Abdullah- he’ll have to run long, long ways before he even gets a second look.
 
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Shafique would be a bad selection if there was an alternative good selection. Can you list any names who would you consider as “good” selections for T20 cricket at the moment? Whoever you name, I can guarantee you that the chances are high that they would also flop with flying colors.

The blame goes to the fans indeed. It is their delusional expectations that are the problem. Pakistan cricket has no divine right to be among the top sides, but fans hype average cricketers out of sheer desperation and then make excuses and blame the selectors when they don’t meet exceptions.

The excuses also change with time. The excuse for Shafique now is that he is inexperienced. When he will gain experience and fail, the excuse will then change.

Imam had much better stats than Abdullah Shafique in the same tournament.
 
Here we go again. The annual “this players deserves to be in the PSL” thread. If a team doesn’t want a player they don’t want him...quit forcing private teams to buy players you like or who you think are good.
 
[MENTION=146665]Mercurial[/MENTION]


Now that you have made it seem as if justice is a pick and choose thing that is chosen in accordance to the region one belongs to...I did my background check on Kamran Ghulam and I therefore ask you now to provide a suitable reason for why he should be picked in a Franchise investing millions of dollars considering he played his last T20 game in December 2018, thats 25 months ago!

Are we supposed to pick players in the PSL who do not even play T20 anymore and call it injustice because he is from KPK????

He has the potential though, has a bowling economy rate of under 7 which is impressive.

Abdullah Shafique should have been there in PSL because he has got a T20 hundred as well, good stats so far, not sure why people are calling him a longer format player, lol.
 
So he is clearly rated by Babar Azam (as he must have been in consultation with Mohammad Wasim).

Called up for the Test Squad whilst Shan Masood and Harris Sohail are dropped. If he is no good, why are they persisting with him?
 
So he has made his way into the Test squad in spite of all the rona dhona that his life was ruined when he was ignored in the PSL draft and now he is going to go into terminal depression. :91:

When it is comes to melodrama, our fans are in a league of their own.
 
So he has made his way into the Test squad in spite of all the rona dhona that his life was ruined when he was ignored in the PSL draft and now he is going to go into terminal depression. :91:

When it is comes to melodrama, our fans are in a league of their own.

Still doesn't answer the question of why he isn't in the PSL if he is so highly rated?
 
Still doesn't answer the question of why he isn't in the PSL if he is so highly rated?

Because he looked dreadful in the NZ T20I series. Why is it so hard to understand?
 
Because he looked dreadful in the NZ T20I series. Why is it so hard to understand?

You dont write off players forever because of their first 4 balls in New Zealand of all places. Is that hard to understand?
 
You dont write off players forever because of their first 4 balls in New Zealand of all places. Is that hard to understand?

The owners spend money on these players. They will not do it unless they think they players are worth it.

It is not a charity business. Again, what is so hard to understand?

Franchise owners will not buy players on the whims of the fans. It is pure business.
 
The owners spend money on these players. They will not do it unless they think they players are worth it.

It is not a charity business. Again, what is so hard to understand?

Franchise owners will not buy players on the whims of the fans. It is pure business.

Shubman Gill also had 2 single digit scores in his first 2 innings in NZ. Unfair to judge.
 
You dont write off players forever because of their first 4 balls in New Zealand of all places. Is that hard to understand?

Didn't you completely write Rizwan off even after his unreal 89 against the same pacers. Didn't you say something along the lines of small boundaries and 180 being a par score LOOL.

One thing that will never change with us Pakistanis. We are the biggest hypocrites on this Earth
 
Didn't you completely write Rizwan off even after his unreal 89 against the same pacers. Didn't you say something along the lines of small boundaries and 180 being a par score LOOL.

One thing that will never change with us Pakistanis. We are the biggest hypocrites on this Earth

Rizwan is a garbage T20 cricketer. Sooner rather than later the peoples champion will be the biggest villain in Pakistan when we will end up with 160 on decks where we should have scored 190. Ive seen enough cricket to tell you this.

The rest is up to you to call me a hypocrite or whatever.
 
Rizwan is a garbage T20 cricketer. Sooner rather than later the peoples champion will be the biggest villain in Pakistan when we will end up with 160 on decks where we should have scored 190. Ive seen enough cricket to tell you this.

The rest is up to you to call me a hypocrite or whatever.

Rizwan should take retirement from t20s and solely focus on longer format
 
You dont write off players forever because of their first 4 balls in New Zealand of all places. Is that hard to understand?

Forever? It's a 2-month long season

He'll be in the PSL in 2022
 
Rizwan is a garbage T20 cricketer. Sooner rather than later the peoples champion will be the biggest villain in Pakistan when we will end up with 160 on decks where we should have scored 190. Ive seen enough cricket to tell you this.

The rest is up to you to call me a hypocrite or whatever.

The same argument applies to Abdullah who only had a 130 SR in the national T20 cup. I don’t think Rizwan is a good T20 player either, but he’s also progressing rapidly with power hitting skills and also is far and away the best keeper in the country, so I’m willing to give him another few games until someone like Azam Khan or Zeeshan Ashraf has a breakout PSL.
 
The same argument applies to Abdullah who only had a 130 SR in the national T20 cup. I don’t think Rizwan is a good T20 player either, but he’s also progressing rapidly with power hitting skills and also is far and away the best keeper in the country, so I’m willing to give him another few games until someone like Azam Khan or Zeeshan Ashraf has a breakout PSL.

I mean, if it results in Pakistan winning T20i matches or ODI matches on the basis of Rizwan's good performance, so be it. Thats all that matters andI wish him luck.

I dont know why some people are on my case for simply expressing a personal view on a cricketer? Its not like Rizwan cares about my opinion and it is effecting his batting? I doubt he will remember me in his interview after winning the T20 world cup like Marlon Samuels did for Shane Warne: "I want to dedicate this trophy to Rana on Pakpassion! You been talking too much about me, this trophy is dedicated to you". Nor will Rizwan care about my views when he is sold as the highest paid Pakistani cricketer to feature in the IPL once India resumes friendly ties with us.

Its just a simple view that I have, I dont think he is suited for this format and I would request people to not to make it a personal issue. It has nothing to do with being a Sarfaraz supporter or anti any particular region, im not that devious.
 
Rizwan is a garbage T20 cricketer. Sooner rather than later the peoples champion will be the biggest villain in Pakistan when we will end up with 160 on decks where we should have scored 190. Ive seen enough cricket to tell you this.

The rest is up to you to call me a hypocrite or whatever.

The champion of Khyber has won us plenty of domestic 50 over and T20 titles so I am perfectly content and certain he can do it for Pakistan too. The problem is if you were being unbiased you would applaud him for what he is. A gritty and excellent batsman that seems to adapt to every situation but you won't allow yourself to do that because you are upset he has displaced your hero Sarfaraz
 
The champion of Khyber has won us plenty of domestic 50 over and T20 titles so I am perfectly content and certain he can do it for Pakistan too. The problem is if you were being unbiased you would applaud him for what he is. A gritty and excellent batsman that seems to adapt to every situation but you won't allow yourself to do that because you are upset he has displaced your hero Sarfaraz

Cool story bro :sarf2
 
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