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Kane Williamson vs Joe Root vs Cheteshwar Pujara - Who is better in Tests?

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All three with over 5000 runs and over 15 hundreds, belong to same league. Who do you think is the better of this trio and how would you rank them?

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Why is Root even in being compared to Williamson. Heck he doesn't even deserve to be compared to Pujara. Root is as overrated a player as it gets in tests. Only 16 hundreds in 82 tests smh. This dude is supposed to be their best test batsman Lmao. Azhar Ali is much better than Root in Tests.
 
Pujara and Williamson have more grit. Williamson can play big shots when needed. Pujara is a safe player. Once he is set , he gets into this ungetouttable Rahul Dravid mode. Root is talented. Lack of conversion holds him back. Matter of time before he starts converting the starts.
 
Root hasn't been that impressive lately. He is now pretty mediocre.

Williamson is more dynamic. I think he is the second best Test batsman right now (right after Smith).
 
Pujara was the biggest contributor for India in the series win in Australia. That counts for something!
 
Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Williamson >>>>> Warner > Pujara > Root > Babar

Other pretenders don't deserve to be mentioned in the above list.
 
Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Williamson >>>>> Warner > Pujara > Root > Babar

Other pretenders don't deserve to be mentioned in the above list.

Lol pujara is better than Warner. Pujara
has helped us to win series in srilanka and Australia.
 
Kane Williamson.

Root is a better overall batter than Pujara but Pujara is actually a better test batter right now. Can bat for hours and absorb pressure. Wouldn’t pay to watch him but he is extremely effective. A brilliant player to have alongside a star batter like Kohli.
 
On 10, my test rating would be:-

Smith- 9.5
Kohli- 8.5
Kane- 8
Root- 7.5
Pujara- 7.5
Warner- 7.5

Odis,it will be:-

Kohli- 9
Warner- 8
Williamson- 8
Root- 8
Smith- 7
 
For me it's pujara slightly ahead of Kane. Our openers are walking wickets,pujara is the one who does all the hard work by seeing off the new ball, even when he didn't score he atleast plays the new ball and makes it easier for Kohli add to that he won us our first series win in Aus.
 
In tests, Williamson is next only to Smith. In ODIs, Williamson is ahead of Kohli.
 
Williamson and Root are both better than Pujara who himself is a brilliant batsman. Let's not underrate Root, he recently played a brilliant counter attacking inning of 124(146) in Sri Lanka that won them the series.

1. Williamson
2. Root
3. Pujara
 
Pujara lacks flair which he makes up with his temperament and patience. Williamson and Root are naturally talented.
 
Kane is definitely the most reliable one but Pujara is a test match winner in his monk mode. His performance in Australia was one for the ages.
 
Being an English player, Root's sole aim in life is to win a series against Australia.

He had huffed and puffed and managed that once at home as captain and predictably started to fade, while Pujara has scored tons of runs vs Australia at home, plus has also been the man to win a series away against them as well.

Williamson is a shade better that both.
 
Being an English player, Root's sole aim in life is to win a series against Australia.

<B>He had huffed and puffed and managed that once at home as captain</B> and predictably started to fade, while Pujara has scored tons of runs vs Australia at home, plus has also been the man to win a series away against them as well.

Williamson is a shade better that both.

When? As a captain, he played only one Ashes at home and result was 2-2.
 
Kane is definitely the most reliable one but Pujara is a test match winner in his monk mode. His performance in Australia was one for the ages.

Being an English player, Root's sole aim in life is to win a series against Australia.

He had huffed and puffed and managed that once at home as captain and predictably started to fade, while Pujara has scored tons of runs vs Australia at home, plus has also been the man to win a series away against them as well.

Williamson is a shade better that both.

Pujara is also most dominant of the 3 at home. Last time I checked Pujara averages 60 something in India. That's at the level of Azhaurddin, Miandad, Sehwag, Warner level home bullies.
 
pujara is the best in Asian conditions out of the 3.

root is the best for English, new zeland conditions.

Kane is good in n.z and English conditions too.

pujara is the best in bouncy wickets out of the 3.

root is the best player based on potential. puji number 2. Kane number 3.
 
pujara is the best in Asian conditions out of the 3.

root is the best for English, new zeland conditions.

Kane is good in n.z and English conditions too.

pujara is the best in bouncy wickets out of the 3.

root is the best player based on potential. puji number 2. Kane number 3.

Who would you say the best player based on results is?
 
On 10, my test rating would be:-

Smith- 9.5
Kohli- 8.5
Kane- 8
Root- 7.5
Pujara- 7.5
Warner- 7.5

Odis,it will be:-

Kohli- 9
Warner- 8
Williamson- 8
Root- 8
Smith- 7

For the tests, I agree

For ODI's, I do think Smith should be at least a 7.5. He has a lot of innings at 6/7 when he as an allrounder, which really bring down his overall average - he averages 50 at 3 and 4. Add that to the fact that he probably the most clutch player in the world in ODI cricket with a ridiculous record inn finals
 
He is quite clearly talking about tests only with Pujara so high and no Rohit.
And Smith cannot be considered anything but a tier 1 bat

I meant in overall terms bro. In test Cricket, he's right up there.
 
It's hard to say which tier Kohli is in given that he is the ninth best test batter produced by India ever.
 
I meant in overall terms bro. In test Cricket, he's right up there.

Williamson, Smith and Root are all tier 1 batsmen. Just because they are not kohli/Viv/Tendu in terms of combined doesn't mean they are tier 1. They are Ponting/Sanga tier in terms of combined

A bat that is arguably the 2nd best of all time in test and incredibly clutch in ODI knockouts is tier 1 by definition
 
Who would you say the best player based on results is?

I would still pick root overall as the best.

As for the other 2;
puji for Asian and bouncy wickets. Kane for swing friendly conditions.

based on performances I would still go with root.
 
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Williamson, Smith and Root are all tier 1 batsmen. Just because they are not kohli/Viv/Tendu in terms of combined doesn't mean they are tier 1. They are Ponting/Sanga tier in terms of combined

A bat that is arguably the 2nd best of all time in test and incredibly clutch in ODI knockouts is tier 1 by definition

Williamson is definitely pushing for tier-1.

Smith isn't quite there. An ODI batting average of 40 and a below par T20 career puts him well behind many batsmen in overall terms.

Kohli is well ahead of every batsman of this generation and it's not me saying, it's what most active commentators, retired legends Indians and non Indians acknowledge time and again.
 
It's hard to say which tier Kohli is in given that he is the ninth best test batter produced by India ever.

It is like saying which tier does Andy Roberts belong to because he's #4,5,6 something all time from West Indies.

India is the greatest batting nation ever in Cricket. #9 best Indian across 100 years of cricket is a phenomenal achievement. You can only dominate your era
 
It is like saying which tier does Andy Roberts belong to because he's #4,5,6 something all time from West Indies.

India is the greatest batting nation ever in Cricket. #9 best Indian across 100 years of cricket is a phenomenal achievement. You can only dominate your era

greatest batting nation would be australia no?
then india.
 
It is like saying which tier does Andy Roberts belong to because he's #4,5,6 something all time from West Indies.

India is the greatest batting nation ever in Cricket. #9 best Indian across 100 years of cricket is a phenomenal achievement. You can only dominate your era

I am tired of this. Rank your ten best India test batsmen, and I will rank Australia's. I guarantee I will win
 
Root is a better batsman than Williamson and his record in various countries/conditions prove that.

Williamson gets overrated because he plays for a neutral side that is not viewed as one of the antagonists, plus his own personality has helped him become a fan-favorite.

Pujara is a very good Test batsman but he is not a lead cast. At their best, Root and even Williamson can match Kohli and Smith, but Pujara doesn’t have that dominance factor in his game.

He is a poor man’s Dravid and a rich man’s Azhar Ali.
 
greatest batting nation would be australia no?
then india.

Except for Bradman era, India's given a better batsman to world cricket in every generation before and after.

India at 1, i am.actually not very sure with Australia being #2 I reckon West Indies, South Africa, England are up there with them. India is in a different league.
 
I am tired of this. Rank your ten best India test batsmen, and I will rank Australia's. I guarantee I will win

There is no need for it. I respect Australian batting heritage very much. My purpose is not to put down Australian cricket brother.

Australia is right up there.

A Top 3 level batting as well as bowling nation.
 
There is no need for it. I respect Australian batting heritage very much. My purpose is not to put down Australian cricket brother.

Australia is right up there.

A Top 3 level batting as well as bowling nation.

You keep going on about this point without being able to defend it.
For Aus if I list:
Bradman
Smith
Ponting
Chappell
Border
Waugh
Clarke
Hussey
Hayden
McCabe
Harvey

After the first few, India is really struggling to compete with Aus. Players like Laxman are going to be compared to Waugh which isn't a proper comparison
 
Except for Bradman era, India's given a better batsman to world cricket in every generation before and after.

India at 1, i am.actually not very sure with Australia being #2 I reckon West Indies, South Africa, England are up there with them. India is in a different league.

A different league. You have to be the most biased poster I have ever seen.

Match the top WI/Aus to the top Ind. Ind have like 4/5 ATG bats. Aus/WI is not a comparison, in fact they are in the 'different league'
 
You keep going on about this point without being able to defend it.
For Aus if I list:
Bradman
Smith
Ponting
Chappell
Border
Waugh
Clarke
Hussey
Hayden
McCabe
Harvey

After the first few, India is really struggling to compete with Aus. Players like Laxman are going to be compared to Waugh which isn't a proper comparison

I was initially unsure now after seeing this list i can comfortably say that West Indies is the 2nd best batting nation ever with Australia neck to neck with England at 3rd or 4th and slightly ahead of South Africa by margin of Aparthheid years.
 
I was initially unsure now after seeing this list i can comfortably say that West Indies is the 2nd best batting nation ever with Australia neck to neck with England at 3rd or 4th and slightly ahead of South Africa by margin of Aparthheid years.
Wi falls away quite quickly after 7/8, Aus would take over then

Let’s compare Aus and ind:
Bradman vs Tendulkar
Smith vs Gavaskar
Chappell vs Dravid
Ponting vs Kohli
Border vs Sehwag lol
Waugh vs Viswanath lol
Clarke vs Laxman lol
Harvey vs Hazare
Hayden vs Pujara
Hussey vs Vengsarkar
McCabe vs Azharuddin lol

I guarantee that it will just get more ridiculous for you.
Wi is much closer, but they drop off very quickly after the w’s so u believe Aus has the edge

Still can’t get over the different league ********
 
Wi falls away quite quickly after 7/8, Aus would take over then

Let’s compare Aus and ind:
Bradman vs Tendulkar
Smith vs Gavaskar
Chappell vs Dravid
Ponting vs Kohli
Border vs Sehwag lol
Waugh vs Viswanath lol
Clarke vs Laxman lol
Harvey vs Hazare
Hayden vs Pujara
Hussey vs Vengsarkar
McCabe vs Azharuddin lol

I guarantee that it will just get more ridiculous for you.
Wi is much closer, but they drop off very quickly after the w’s so u believe Aus has the edge

Still can’t get over the different league ********

I can see now where the misunderstanding is. You have got India's Top 10 horribly wrong.
 
Root is a better batsman than Williamson and his record in various countries/conditions prove that.

Williamson gets overrated because he plays for a neutral side that is not viewed as one of the antagonists, plus his own personality has helped him become a fan-favorite.

Pujara is a very good Test batsman but he is not a lead cast. At their best, Root and even Williamson can match Kohli and Smith, but Pujara doesn’t have that dominance factor in his game.

He is a poor man’s Dravid and a rich man’s Azhar Ali.

pujara won india the series vs australia away and at home. Something Kane failed to achieve. Root I agree is the best out of the 3. Puji is severly underrated here.
 
Wi falls away quite quickly after 7/8, Aus would take over then

Let’s compare Aus and ind:
Bradman vs Tendulkar
Smith vs Gavaskar
Chappell vs Dravid
Ponting vs Kohli
Border vs Sehwag lol
Waugh vs Viswanath lol
Clarke vs Laxman lol
Harvey vs Hazare
Hayden vs Pujara
Hussey vs Vengsarkar
McCabe vs Azharuddin lol

I guarantee that it will just get more ridiculous for you.
Wi is much closer, but they drop off very quickly after the w’s so u believe Aus has the edge

Still can’t get over the different league ********

lot of them so called great batsmen only looked good because of australia bowling attack at the time.

Give india a mcgrath. Actually no one else. Just a mcgrath and you will see how different the batting averages will be.

In saying that I do agree australia has produced greater batsmen.

india is number 2.
 
I can see now where the misunderstanding is. You have got India's Top 10 horribly wrong.

Who would you choose then. Ranji is the only one I didn’t include , but he played for England. That would be like picking Nasser
Anyway, I didn’t pick the very old Australian players like Trumper and Hill we are top class as most people haven’t heard of them, but they can be included
 
Williamson is definitely pushing for tier-1.

Smith isn't quite there. An ODI batting average of 40 and a below par T20 career puts him well behind many batsmen in overall terms.

Kohli is well ahead of every batsman of this generation and it's not me saying, it's what most active commentators, retired legends Indians and non Indians acknowledge time and again.

Nobody cares about t20, and it isn’t used for rating players as a whole. Of it is included Warner is a tier 1 bat
In terms of ODI’ smiths average as a specialist batsman is much higher, around 47 off the top of my head. Add to the fact that he is the most clutch ODI bat in the world, it means he is good enough to be tier 1, as his test batting is obviously way, way ahead of everyone else in the world at the moment
 
Sorry [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION], I did forget Merchant. However, he still wouldn't be a match for people like Waugh/Border
 
Who would you choose then. Ranji is the only one I didn’t include , but he played for England. That would be like picking Nasser
Anyway, I didn’t pick the very old Australian players like Trumper and Hill we are top class as most people haven’t heard of them, but they can be included

Sorry [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION], I did forget Merchant. However, he still wouldn't be a match for people like Waugh/Border

Cheers bro.

Australia is regardless, greatest cricket nation ever.

In sheer number of greats, you are way ahead.

Our Top 10 are comparable, if not they will not be far behind. That's all. Respect to Ausyralian cricket
 
Root has gone from being compared to Pujara (and even rated inferior by some Indians) to being on his way to surpass Tendulkar.

This is also shows how ignorant, arrogant and deluded some of these Indian fans are. Root vs Pujara was never a comparison.

Life comes at you fast. Sometimes people that you degrade and have no faith in will come back to haunt you.

The level of disrespect that Root has suffered at the hands of Indians at various points in his career makes his trampling of Kohli in Test cricket and eventual trampling of Sachin’s runs tally even sweeter.
 
Root is a level or two above Kane and three or four levels above Pujara.

Williamson averages 36 in the matches he has played with Root, who averages 56 btw, 18 matches so no sample size issue
 
Both Kane and Root will finish their careers with glittering records as quite likely their respective country's best ever Test batters.

But Pujara goes home with 4 test wins in Aus (two of which he scored hundreds in) and with a record of never having lost a Test at the MCG in 3 visits.

I guess every player and fan finds happiness where they can with what they have.
 
Back in 2019, Root and Kane were comparable to Pujara.

Now, Root has taken a huge stride forward and it is understood by looking at his numbers in this decade compared to his numbers in previous decade.

Root's record in Australia remains a blemish in his career and until he sorts it out, he can't be rated at the level of Tendulkar, Lara, Smith in Tests or as all format batter at the level of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting and Kohli.

I would say his superb performance post the turn of decade has taken him to next level and put him at the level of Kallis, Sanga and Dravid for now.
 
Back in 2019, Root and Kane were comparable to Pujara.

Now, Root has taken a huge stride forward and it is understood by looking at his numbers in this decade compared to his numbers in previous decade.

Root's record in Australia remains a blemish in his career and until he sorts it out, he can't be rated at the level of Tendulkar, Lara, Smith in Tests or as all format batter at the level of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting and Kohli.

I would say his superb performance post the turn of decade has taken him to next level and put him at the level of Kallis, Sanga and Dravid for now.
Root’s record in Australia is as big a blemish as Tendulkar’s record in Pakistan.

Indians are not allowed to play the “Root in Australia” card when Tendulkar himself was a failure in Pakistan.

Also, Tendulkar’s failure is a bigger deal because Pakistan and Indian conditions are much more similar than English and Australian conditions.
 
Root’s record in Australia is as big a blemish as Tendulkar’s record in Pakistan.

Indians are not allowed to play the “Root in Australia” card when Tendulkar himself was a failure in Pakistan.

Also, Tendulkar’s failure is a bigger deal because Pakistan and Indian conditions are much more similar than English and Australian conditions.
Tendulkar averages 40+ in Pakistan and has a 194* at Multan in winning cause, how did he failed in Pakistan?

Also, Australia remains the biggest challenge for Tendulkar during his era followed by South Africa. Pakistan were not the no 1 team so I would recommend to keep this Pakistan card in your back pocket where it belongs.

Root has failed in Australia and no disrespect in mentioning that. Performance in Australia will always be given more value than performance in Pakistan and this is not a choice unless you are thinking from a fan point of view.
 
Tendulkar averages 40+ in Pakistan and has a 194* at Multan in winning cause, how did he failed in Pakistan?

Also, Australia remains the biggest challenge for Tendulkar during his era followed by South Africa. Pakistan were not the no 1 team so I would recommend to keep this Pakistan card in your back pocket where it belongs.

Root has failed in Australia and no disrespect in mentioning that. Performance in Australia will always be given more value than performance in Pakistan and this is not a choice unless you are thinking from a fan point of view.

He knows all this already. Its more about what fits his current script better.
 
Soon Root will break Tendulkar world record , and all these threads will die natural death.
 
Tendulkar averages 40+ in Pakistan and has a 194* at Multan in winning cause, how did he failed in Pakistan?

Also, Australia remains the biggest challenge for Tendulkar during his era followed by South Africa. Pakistan were not the no 1 team so I would recommend to keep this Pakistan card in your back pocket where it belongs.

Root has failed in Australia and no disrespect in mentioning that. Performance in Australia will always be given more value than performance in Pakistan and this is not a choice unless you are thinking from a fan point of view.
He knows all this already. Its more about what fits his current script better.
Tendulkar has only two Test hundreds vs Pakistan in 18 Tests home and away. It is also worth pointing out that Pakistani conditions are almost identical to Indian conditions and it is easier for an Indian batsman to score in Pakistan than it is for an English batsman to score in Australia.

Tendulkar averages 40 in Pakistan in 10 Tests in spite of a 194*, which means he contributed almost nothing in the other 9 Tests. In comparison, Joe Root averages around 36 in Australia in spite of a highest score of only 89, which means he has contributed frequently and had less failures than someone like Tendulkar did in Pakistan where even a 194* failed to make his average impressive.

Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to a Rahane/Asad Shafiq level batsman in Test cricket. It is a fact. No one asked him to not dominate Pakistan. His lowest career average is vs Pakistan and his lowest career is in Pakistan (excluding Zimbabwe). This counts against him no matter how much Indians try to downplay it, justify it or excuse it.

Pakistani fans have no reason to be in awe of Tendulkar's batting prowess because he was nothing more than a normal batsman vs Pakistan. For the same reason, if Australians don't rate Root very highly because he has not dominating in Australia, it will be perfectly reasonable. However, it is funny to see Indians do their bidding even though Root has made mince-meat of your GOAT bowling attack.

Furthermore, the notion that Pakistan wasn't a challenge for Tendulkar or an important opponent is so ridiculous that it is not even funny, and anyone who makes this claim actually inadvertently reveals his age because anyone who watched the late 90's and 2000's would testify to the fact that Pakistan vs India bilaterals were extremely important and high pressure encounters where everything was at stake.

Any Indian who tries to point fingers on Root's record in Australia will be immediately reminded of Tendulkar's record vs Pakistan.
 
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Tendulkar has only two Test hundreds vs Pakistan in 18 Tests home and away. It is also worth pointing out that Pakistani conditions are almost identical to Indian conditions and it is easier for an Indian batsman to score in Pakistan than it is for an English batsman to score in Australia.

Tendulkar averages 40 in Pakistan in 10 Tests in spite of a 194*, which means he contributed almost nothing in the other 9 Tests. In comparison, Joe Root averages around 36 in Australia in spite of a highest score of only 89, which means he has contributed frequently and had less failures than someone like Tendulkar did in Pakistan where even a 194* failed to make his average impressive.

Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to a Rahane/Asad Shafiq level batsman in Test cricket. It is a fact. No one asked him to not dominate Pakistan. His lowest career average is vs Pakistan and his lowest career is in Pakistan (excluding Zimbabwe). This counts against him no matter how much Indians try to downplay it, justify it or excuse it.

Pakistani fans have no reason to be in awe of Tendulkar's batting prowess because he was nothing more than a normal batsman vs Pakistan. For the same reason, if Australians don't rate Root very highly because he has not dominating in Australia, it will be perfectly reasonable. However, it is funny to see Indians do their bidding even though Root has made mince-meat of your GOAT bowling attack.

Furthermore, the notion that Pakistan wasn't a challenge for Tendulkar or an important opponent is so ridiculous that it is not even funny, and anyone who makes this claim actually inadvertently reveals his age because anyone who watched the late 90's and 2000's would testify to the fact that Pakistan vs India bilaterals were extremely important and high pressure encounters where everything was at stake.

Any Indian who tries to point fingers on Root's record in Australia will be immediately reminded of Tendulkar's record vs Pakistan.
Unfortunately, Pakistan is not the benchmark for success especially after their humiliating whitewash vs Bangladesh at home so it doesn't matter what you or other Pakistani fans think over here. Sachin averages 40+ in Pakistan and that is good enough to shut any finger pointed over him.

Root's performance in Australia remains a blemish in his career as he has zero hundreds in Australia, the 2017 Ashes saw Steve Smith hit tons and double tons one after another but all Root managed was fifties so that remains a blemish for him. In addition to that, as @Buffet pointed out in other thread, his performance vs top quality teams away from home is way behind even Amla and Smith lol so any comparison with Sachin remains invalid right now.


I am not gonna waste my time trying to explain you that Tendulkar or any player doesn't have to average 50+ against all oppositions and in all countries to make sure that he gets rated by everyone, he has already provided enough humiliations via player of match performances in World Cups in 2003, 1992 and 2011.
 
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I don't like to take a dig on Pakistan's performance in recent times but instead of focusing on that, all you gonna do is make absurd claims that how Root is better than Tendulkar and all set to surpass his runs tally despite being some 3300-3400 runs behind at a lesser average, surely don't expect to be greeted with flowers.

I love watching Joe Root bat and he is arguably one of the most complete test batsman since Tendulkar and England's best in last 60 years but let's not try to pit him against Tendulkar just for the sake of it. Once he becomes second leading run scorer, produces a memorable ton in Australia and reaches 15000 test runs, the comparisons will automatically become more worthy.
 
Tendulkar has only two Test hundreds vs Pakistan in 18 Tests home and away. It is also worth pointing out that Pakistani conditions are almost identical to Indian conditions and it is easier for an Indian batsman to score in Pakistan than it is for an English batsman to score in Australia.

Tendulkar averages 40 in Pakistan in 10 Tests in spite of a 194*, which means he contributed almost nothing in the other 9 Tests. In comparison, Joe Root averages around 36 in Australia in spite of a highest score of only 89, which means he has contributed frequently and had less failures than someone like Tendulkar did in Pakistan where even a 194* failed to make his average impressive.

Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to a Rahane/Asad Shafiq level batsman in Test cricket. It is a fact. No one asked him to not dominate Pakistan. His lowest career average is vs Pakistan and his lowest career is in Pakistan (excluding Zimbabwe). This counts against him no matter how much Indians try to downplay it, justify it or excuse it.

Pakistani fans have no reason to be in awe of Tendulkar's batting prowess because he was nothing more than a normal batsman vs Pakistan. For the same reason, if Australians don't rate Root very highly because he has not dominating in Australia, it will be perfectly reasonable. However, it is funny to see Indians do their bidding even though Root has made mince-meat of your GOAT bowling attack.

Furthermore, the notion that Pakistan wasn't a challenge for Tendulkar or an important opponent is so ridiculous that it is not even funny, and anyone who makes this claim actually inadvertently reveals his age because anyone who watched the late 90's and 2000's would testify to the fact that Pakistan vs India bilaterals were extremely important and high pressure encounters where everything was at stake.

Any Indian who tries to point fingers on Root's record in Australia will be immediately reminded of Tendulkar's record vs Pakistan.

Pakistan has every reason to be in awe of Tendulkar for the mental scarring and humiliations dished out every 4 years. The WC phainta speaks for itself.

As for his Test average of 40s in Pakistan, thats fine given he started it all in 80s, 90s to 2000s. The fact that you have to point this out repeatedly to look down upon Tendulkar actually shows how little you have to work with here.

Root is a great Test player and defintely better than anyone Pakistan has ever produced, but the likes of Sachin and Lara stay on a higher pedestal, despite the difference in eras.

Ironically, this thread is fueling exactly what you’ve repeatedly accused Pakistani fans of in your past rants—being "the most delusional fans in the world." Congrats on officially joining the club Mamoon.
 
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Thread is about Kane vs Root and Pujara. No point in turning this thread into root vs tendulkar thread again. Stay on Topic
 
Tendulkar has only two Test hundreds vs Pakistan in 18 Tests home and away. It is also worth pointing out that Pakistani conditions are almost identical to Indian conditions and it is easier for an Indian batsman to score in Pakistan than it is for an English batsman to score in Australia.

Tendulkar averages 40 in Pakistan in 10 Tests in spite of a 194*, which means he contributed almost nothing in the other 9 Tests. In comparison, Joe Root averages around 36 in Australia in spite of a highest score of only 89, which means he has contributed frequently and had less failures than someone like Tendulkar did in Pakistan where even a 194* failed to make his average impressive.

Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to a Rahane/Asad Shafiq level batsman in Test cricket. It is a fact. No one asked him to not dominate Pakistan. His lowest career average is vs Pakistan and his lowest career is in Pakistan (excluding Zimbabwe). This counts against him no matter how much Indians try to downplay it, justify it or excuse it.

Pakistani fans have no reason to be in awe of Tendulkar's batting prowess because he was nothing more than a normal batsman vs Pakistan. For the same reason, if Australians don't rate Root very highly because he has not dominating in Australia, it will be perfectly reasonable. However, it is funny to see Indians do their bidding even though Root has made mince-meat of your GOAT bowling attack.

Furthermore, the notion that Pakistan wasn't a challenge for Tendulkar or an important opponent is so ridiculous that it is not even funny, and anyone who makes this claim actually inadvertently reveals his age because anyone who watched the late 90's and 2000's would testify to the fact that Pakistan vs India bilaterals were extremely important and high pressure encounters where everything was at stake.

Any Indian who tries to point fingers on Root's record in Australia will be immediately reminded of Tendulkar's record vs Pakistan.
Pakistani conditions are not similar to Indian conditions
 
Unfortunately, Pakistan is not the benchmark for success especially after their humiliating whitewash vs Bangladesh at home so it doesn't matter what you or other Pakistani fans think over here. Sachin averages 40+ in Pakistan and that is good enough to shut any finger pointed over him.
Pakistan today has nothing to do with Pakistan of the 90s and 2000s. Once again, you are clearly exposing your age with such ignorant takes. You have no idea about the dynamics of Pakistan vs India series in the 90s and 2000s.

You started watching cricket post 2015 so you are viewing everything from a contemporary lens.

Tendulkar’s average of 40 in Pakistan is a failure because of two major factors: (a) the magnitude of Pakistan vs India matches in the 90s and 2000s and (b) the fact that Pakistan and Indian pitches/conditions are very similar, at least in comparison to English and Australian pitches/conditions.

Pakistan vs India Test series in the 90s and 2000s were even bigger than the Ashes, so if Root’s poor showing in Australia counts against him, so should Tendulkar’s poor showing in Pakistan.
Root's performance in Australia remains a blemish in his career
Yes, just like Tendulkar’s performance in Pakistan remains a blemish in his career.
as he has zero hundreds in Australia, the 2017 Ashes saw Steve Smith hit tons and double tons one after another but all Root managed was fifties so that remains a blemish for him. In addition to that, as @Buffet pointed out in other thread, his performance vs top quality teams away from home is way behind even Amla and Smith lol so any comparison with Sachin remains invalid right now.
Prime Smith (2014-2020) is the greatest Test batsman of the last 50 years and therefore, better than Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting and of course Root. However, he didn’t have the longevity mainly because he didn’t flourish into a top tier batsman until he was 25-26, that has cost him 2-3 years of prolific run scoring.

In comparison, Root clearly passes the longevity test and this is why he has a wonderful chances of becoming the most prolific run scorer in Test history.

As far as Amla is concerned, I have already explained why Amla doesn’t even deserve to be compared to Root in Test cricket in that thread. Read my posts there and educate yourself.

De Villiers is another example of a player with a great peak but lack of longevity, hence less than 10k runs.

I am not gonna waste my time trying to explain you that Tendulkar or any player doesn't have to average 50+ against all oppositions and in all countries to make sure that he gets rated by everyone, he has already provided enough humiliations via player of match performances in World Cups in 2003, 1992 and 2011.
No matter how hard Indians try and how much they clutch at straws, they cannot deflect from and justify Tendulkar’s poor showing in Pakistan. The fact that you are now pivoting to ODI cricket clearly shows that you have lost the argument.
 
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Pakistani conditions are not similar to Indian conditions
Pakistan and Indian weather is very similar and they used to produce very similar pitches until the last 10 years where India pivoted towards rank turners while Pakistan pivoted towards super flat pitches.

During the period where Tendulkar played Test cricket vs Pakistan, the pitches were similar and in any case, there were a lot more similar than English and Australian pitches/conditions and therefore, it was easier for Tendulkar to score in Pakistan than it is for Root to score in Australia, so any Indian who decides to fixate on Root’s poor showing in Australia will first have to justify Tendulkar’s poor showing in Pakistan.
 
Pakistan has every reason to be in awe of Tendulkar for the mental scarring and humiliations dished out every 4 years. The WC phainta speaks for itself.
The fact that you like @Ab Fan are pivoting to ODI cricket when we’re are exclusively discussing Test cricket shows that you have lost the argument and cannot defend and justify why Tendulkar was reduced to a half-decent, 40 averaging batsman in Pakistan.
As for his Test average of 40s in Pakistan, thats fine given he started it all in 80s, 90s to 2000s. The fact that you have to point this out repeatedly to look down upon Tendulkar actually shows how little you have to work with here.
What does that even mean?
Root is a great Test player and defintely better than anyone Pakistan has ever produced, but the likes of Sachin and Lara stay on a higher pedestal, despite the difference in eras.
It is perfectly fine if anyone claims that Tendulkar was a superior batsman than Root purely in the Test format. In fact, I myself would hold the same opinion. However, it by no means a blasphemy to compare the two because Root is as good as Tendulkar in a lot of aspects of batting. The difference between their Test batting is not day and night as some delusional Indians fans would like you to believe. If Root goes beyond Tendulkar at a 50+ average with 40+ centuries which he most likely will, it will be a perfectly plausible comparison.

Ironically, this thread is fueling exactly what you’ve repeatedly accused Pakistani fans of in your past rants—being "the most delusional fans in the world." Congrats on officially joining the club Mamoon.
I used to think that Pakistani fans were the most delusional in the world, but I had to reconsider my assessment after observing Indian fans over the years.

It is very clear that Pakistani fans don’t even hold a candle to Indian fans when it comes to being delusional and living in their own happy world that starts and ends with India.

India has been controlling each and every facet of cricket for over 15 years and yet the can’t dominate like Australia and West Indies. Perhaps we can put it down to lack of talent and poor mentality, but I’m open to other options as well.

Indian fans have the nerve to call India the best team in the world when you can’t even win an ODI World Cup in and have been smashed in back to back WTC finals.
 
Can you guys read the title of the thread??

What it says???
ROOT VS PUJARA VS KANE.

WHY TENDULKAR talk here.
 
Pakistan today has nothing to do with Pakistan of the 90s and 2000s. Once again, you are clearly exposing your age with such ignorant takes. You have no idea about the dynamics of Pakistan vs India series in the 90s and 2000s.

You started watching cricket post 2015 so you are viewing everything from a contemporary lens.

Tendulkar’s average of 40 in Pakistan is a failure because of two major factors: (a) the magnitude of Pakistan vs India matches in the 90s and 2000s and (b) the fact that Pakistan and Indian pitches/conditions are very similar, at least in comparison to English and Australian pitches/conditions.

Pakistan vs India Test series in the 90s and 2000s were even bigger than the Ashes, so if Root’s poor showing in Australia counts against him, so should Tendulkar’s poor showing in Pakistan.

Yes, just like Tendulkar’s performance in Pakistan remains a blemish in his career.

Prime Smith (2014-2020) is the greatest Test batsman of the last 50 years and therefore, better than Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting and of course Root. However, he didn’t have the longevity mainly because he didn’t flourish into a top tier batsman until he was 25-26, that has cost him 2-3 years of prolific run scoring.

In comparison, Root clearly passes the longevity test and this is why he has a wonderful chances of becoming the most prolific run scorer in Test history.

As far as Amla is concerned, I have already explained why Amla doesn’t even deserve to be compared to Root in Test cricket in that thread. Read my posts there and educate yourself.

De Villiers is another example of a player with a great peak but lack of longevity, hence less than 10k runs.


No matter how hard Indians try and how much they clutch at straws, they cannot deflect from and justify Tendulkar’s poor showing in Pakistan. The fact that you are now pivoting to ODI cricket clearly shows that you have lost the argument.
You are just clutching at straws and being illogical in your response.

Tendulkar’s first series vs Pakistan was at age of 16, it was his first series so averaging 35 in that series was fine for a 16 year old vs Imran, Wasim and Waqar. An overall average of 40 is good enough to be rated as a success. As I said already, he doesn’t have to average 50+ everywhere. He averages 50+ in Australia and England and that’s excellent. Having won a test series in Pakistan, he has already left you or anyone else with no option to debate against and hence you are just looking like a fool for arguing on how 40 average is poor record for a player in one country lol.

Let Root score a 100 in Australia and then we will talk. He has failed over 15 attempts almost.
 
You are just clutching at straws and being illogical in your response.

Tendulkar’s first series vs Pakistan was at age of 16, it was his first series so averaging 35 in that series was fine for a 16 year old vs Imran, Wasim and Waqar. An overall average of 40 is good enough to be rated as a success. As I said already, he doesn’t have to average 50+ everywhere. He averages 50+ in Australia and England and that’s excellent. Having won a test series in Pakistan, he has already left you or anyone else with no option to debate against and hence you are just looking like a fool for arguing on how 40 average is poor record for a player in one country lol.

Let Root score a 100 in Australia and then we will talk. He has failed over 15 attempts almost.
Replying to this in the other thread as per @BouncerGuy’s orders.
 
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