Kashmir Files (trailer) - propaganda or a reality film?

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Ashok Swain, Pravin Sawhney, Sakshi Joshi, Manishanker Aiyyar and Ajai Shukla to name a few. I consider them to be fair minded people and intellectuals. Even Rahul Gandhi is a fair man.

None of these guys are intellectuals. You consider them fair minded because they subscribe to a anti india narrative. All of them have been caught many times spreading lies. Anyways, you can only hope to engage with an open minded person. Your answers and posts show your bent of mind. Good day to you

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

India as usual! The biggest trouble maker in the world who is at odds with every neighbour. India even started the nuke war race in the subcontinent, not Pak. India invaded the valley when Nehru said Kashmiris will be free to choose their own destiny.

You really need to learn history. Please read who invaded what was to be the free state of Kashmir and how India got involved.

 

[PakLFC]

You really need to learn history. Please read who invaded what was to be the free state of Kashmir and how India got involved.

I know more then you. You have obviously been brainwashed by Indian news channels and biased history books. Kashmiri people are the best people to tell you the truth not Hindutva fascists.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

India is the enemy of every neighbour including Nepal and Sri Lanka. It supported civil war in Sri Lanka and has territorial disputes with Nepal too. We all know how it has been supporting terrorism in Afghanistan and it's never ending problems with Pak and China.

Really? I can see how you consider ppl like Swain, Mani Shankar Aiyer, etc. to be intellectuals

Kindly read who has been bailing out SL despite them doing their best to sell themselves to your masters.

India has helped out Maldives, SL more than anyone else during the Tsunami woh boots on the ground and supplies with no strings attached unlike China.

Ditto with Covid and innumerable other instances of trouble including the earthquake that rocked Nepal a few years back.

 

[PakLFC]

None of these guys are intellectuals. You consider them fair minded because they subscribe to a anti india narrative. All of them have been caught many times spreading lies. Anyways, you can only hope to engage with an open minded person. Your answers and posts show your bent of mind. Good day to you

To me they are intellectuals who often say good things about India too. As they are mostly Congress people you understandably hate them, If they are liars then your RSS and fake Godi media are jokers to say the least. Your PM can't even make a speech without reading from a screen in front off him. I won't point out the many times the RSS backed Indian media has been caught lying. If you have a problem with my disliking of India and the RSS then that's too bad.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

I know more then you. You have obviously been brainwashed by Indian news channels and biased history books. Kashmiri people are the best people to tell you the truth not Hindutva fascists.

And yet you say India invaded Kashmir. Would love you to teach me how India got involved

 

[PakLFC]

And yet you say India invaded Kashmir. Would love you to teach me how India got involved

You don't know how invasions occur? Just like the American's did in Iraq and Afghanistan. You did not give the people any chance to decide what they wanted.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

To me they are intellectuals who often say good things about India too. As they are mostly Congress people you understandably hate them, If they are liars then your RSS and fake Godi media are jokers to say the least. Your PM can't even make a speech without reading from a screen in front off him. I won't point out the many times the RSS backed Indian media has been caught lying. If you have a problem with my disliking of India and the RSS then that's too bad.

How do you know I hate them? They talk nonsense. In fact Mani Shankar Aiyer came on Pakistan tv and begged Pakistan to help Congress come back to power. What would you do if say Imran khan does that in India to help pti come back to power tomorrow?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

You don't know how invasions occur? Just like the American's did in Iraq and Afghanistan. You did not give the people any chance to decide what they wanted.

Really? So the Pakistan irregulars who were invading and caused the massacres of places like Rajouri and Mirpur were invited by the Kashmiris? Or was that the Indian Army also dressed up as Pakistanis?

 

[PakLFC]

How do you know I hate them? They talk nonsense. In fact Mani Shankar Aiyer came on Pakistan tv and begged Pakistan to help Congress come back to power. What would you do if say Imran khan does that in India to help pti come back to power tomorrow?

Okay then you love them, great! Mani came on Pak TV to insult Modi should not be a problem when Indian's also speak poorly about Pak. He spoke the truth about Modi so what's the problem? In Modi we are talking about a man who boasted about doing to Pak what he did in Gujarat! I dare modi to try it if he is his Dad's son. You can't compare a man of pedigree and character like IK to a fool like Modi. If Nawaz Sharif did it I wouldn't be surprised neither would i care much.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Okay then you love them, great! Mani came on Pak TV to insult Modi should not be a problem when Indian's also speak poorly about Pak. He spoke the truth about Modi so what's the problem? In Modi we are talking about a man who boasted about doing to Pak what he did in Gujarat! I dare modi to try it if he is his Dad's son. You can't compare a man of pedigree and character like IK to a fool like Modi. If Nawaz Sharif did it I wouldn't be surprised neither would i care much.

Do you only think in extremes? Either love Or hate?

But what if an intellectual from Pak did do this? Would you still consider them intellectuals?

 

[PakLFC]

Really? So the Pakistan irregulars who were invading and caused the massacres of places like Rajouri and Mirpur were invited by the Kashmiris? Or was that the Indian Army also dressed up as Pakistanis?

Nope Pak was not killing anyone in AJK and still isn't. Had Jinnah saheb not sent Pak fauj to what is now AJK the Indian army would have proceeded to take what is now controlled by us. There are no millions of soldiers in AJK like there are in IoK that says everything.

 

[PakLFC]

Do you only think in extremes? Either love Or hate?

But what if an intellectual from Pak did do this? Would you still consider them intellectuals?

Hating the RSS is a sign is humanity. These people are subhuman.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Nope Pak was not killing anyone in AJK and still isn't. Had Jinnah saheb not sent Pak fauj to what is now AJK the Indian army would have proceeded to take what is now controlled by us. There are no millions of soldiers in AJK like there are in IoK that says everything.

So according to you Pak got involved later? Hmm ok. So how did Pak come to occupy Pok, Gilgit Baltistan in the first place? If the Indian Army were aggressors would India not have first control of those areas?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Hating the RSS is a sign is humanity. These people are subhuman.

Ok.. Where do they figure in this conversation?

 

[PakLFC]

So according to you Pak got involved later? Hmm ok. So how did Pak come to occupy Pok, Gilgit Baltistan in the first place? If the Indian Army were aggressors would India not have first control of those areas?

Not later. I have many Kashmiri pals so know the truth. Jinnah saheb had to send Pak troops after India invaded today's IoK. Should we have waited until your military took more land? What do you mean first control when you invaded those parts. To this day you have millions of soldiers killing innocent people in IoK. Where the the letter India claims that the Sikh ruler signed Kashmir to India?

 

[PakLFC]

Ok.. Where do they figure in this conversation?

These RSS thugs are the ones who are supporting this film and further encouraging the murder of Muslim's in India. This thread has everything to do with them. Only way to deal with the RSS is give them no leeway whatsoever. I am not saying that all Indian's are bad.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Not later. I have many Kashmiri pals so know the truth. Jinnah saheb had to send Pak troops after India invaded today's IoK. Should we have waited until your military took more land? What do you mean first control when you invaded those parts. To this day you have millions of soldiers killing innocent people in IoK. Where the the letter India claims that the Sikh ruler signed Kashmir to India?

It is in public domain. It is called the letter of Accession. Do check it out and how it came into being. Do read a little about what really happens from history books as well.

 

[PakLFC]

It is in public domain. It is called the letter of Accession. Do check it out and how it came into being. Do read a little about what really happens from history books as well. ��

Better still why not just ask the Kashmiris on both sides what happened? Problem is the Indian version you are used to and taught is full of conjecture. The British say your so called letter is suspicious to say the least. Not good enough.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

These RSS thugs are the ones who are supporting this film and further encouraging the murder of Muslim's in India. This thread has everything to do with them. Only way to deal with the RSS is give them no leeway whatsoever. I am not saying that all Indian's are bad.

I am not RSS. I fully support the film. Ditto with my family and friends. None are RSS. I can vouch upto my apartment ppl as well.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Better still why not just ask the Kashmiris on both sides what happened? Problem is the Indian version you are used to and taught is full of conjecture. The British say your so called letter is suspicious to say the least. Not good enough.

Who should I ask? Your both sides says Indian Army kills everyone and that Kashmir is not part of Pak. Your intellectuals are dishonest liars.

Thanks but I think I will stick my more factual one sided (according to you) knowledge

 

[PakLFC]

I am not RSS. I fully support the film. Ditto with my family and friends. None are RSS. I can vouch upto my apartment ppl as well.

Many other Indians will naturally support the film too. Hopefully you are not calling for the murder of your Muslim's like the RSS type are. You do realize this will only cause greater religious tension is an already boiling situation.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Better still why not just ask the Kashmiris on both sides what happened? Problem is the Indian version you are used to and taught is full of conjecture. The British say your so called letter is suspicious to say the least. Not good enough.

Im not surprised you don't know that Mountbatten was a signatory on the letter.

 

[PakLFC]

Who should I ask? Your both sides says Indian Army kills everyone and that Kashmir is not part of Pak. Your intellectuals are dishonest liars.

Thanks but I think I will stick my more factual one sided (according to you) knowledge

India and factual Your media are well known to be liars like Arnab Goswami. Once again ask the Kashmiri people from both sides what the truth is. You wouldn't have 1 million soldiers in the valley if Kashmiris loved you as you seem to think. Not only me but independent sources are saying Indian army have killed so many in IoK which is why you do not allow UN observers to visit IoK.

 

[PakLFC]

Im not surprised you don't know that Mountbatten was a signatory on the letter.

I expected you to say something silly like that. You do realize that Mountbatten too was against the creation of Pak.

 

[PakLFC]

India's position is the letter by Sikh maharaja, what Mountbatten signed and what not. Never mind that after independence Pak did not agree to anything. You see when two or more parties claim one or more thing then it becomes disputed. According to India what Kashmiri people want is irreverent so they are to be killed or forced to be Indian. Make no sense whatsoever.

 

[PakLFC]

Mountbatten said "partition was a bad idea". Understandably he just wanted to leave the subcontinent so gave away Kashmir to the larger country in a hurry.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

India's position is the letter by Sikh maharaja, what Mountbatten signed and what not. Never mind that after independence Pak did not agree to anything. You see when two or more parties claim one or more thing then it becomes disputed. According to India what Kashmiri people want is irreverent so they are to be killed or forced to be Indian. Make no sense whatsoever.

Kashmir accession was between Kashmir and India. Not sure how Pakistan's opinion mattered at all in the first place.

Whether Mountbatten liked Pak or not he represented the dominion of India in the letter. Many people were against the creation of Pak in the first place. It was a travesty. Doesn't change history though.

 

[PakLFC]

Really? I can see how you consider ppl like Swain, Mani Shankar Aiyer, etc. to be intellectuals

Kindly read who has been bailing out SL despite them doing their best to sell themselves to your masters.

India has helped out Maldives, SL more than anyone else during the Tsunami woh boots on the ground and supplies with no strings attached unlike China.

Ditto with Covid and innumerable other instances of trouble including the earthquake that rocked Nepal a few years back.

I am talking about today not years back when you were causing trouble in Sri Lanka. We have okay relations with them, Pak has no interest in ruling that little island so we leave them at peace. What has the Maldive islands got to do with it? We are okay with them too.

Helping any country in need does not mean you don't have problems with them. Welcome to the real world!

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Mountbatten said "partition was a bad idea". Understandably he just wanted to leave the subcontinent so gave away Kashmir to the larger country in a hurry.

Haha.. you really have a parallel history written for yourself. Who wrote it?

 

[kumjsr]

India's position is the letter by Sikh maharaja, what Mountbatten signed and what not. Never mind that after independence Pak did not agree to anything. You see when two or more parties claim one or more thing then it becomes disputed. According to India what Kashmiri people want is irreverent so they are to be killed or forced to be Indian. Make no sense whatsoever.

Biggest myth that is being spread is that Pakistan cares and people of valley care about what Kashmiris wants.

Please always mention that it's only Kashmiri muslims.

Hindus who have been Kashmiris have been killed and thrown out of Kashmir.

 

[PakLFC]

Kashmir accession was between Kashmir and India. Not sure how Pakistan's opinion mattered at all in the first place.

Whether Mountbatten liked Pak or not he represented the dominion of India in the letter. Many people were against the creation of Pak in the first place. It was a travesty. Doesn't change history though.

You kidding me! Pak was formerly a part of British India so wwe have everything to do with Kashmir. Add to that the Kashmiris are majority Muslim's and Pak was formed in the name of our deen.

It changes everything! Mounty did not bother asking what the Kashmiri people wanted so it matters a lot. It does change everything coz Kashmir is disputed says the UN too.

 

[PakLFC]

Haha.. you really have a parallel history written for yourself. Who wrote it?

Not Arnab Goswami that I cal tell you!

 

[PakLFC]

Biggest myth that is being spread is that Pakistan cares and people of valley care about what Kashmiris wants.

Please always mention that it's only Kashmiri muslims.

Hindus who have been Kashmiris have been killed and thrown out of Kashmir.

Hindu's should be taken in to consideration too. I didn't say they didn't matter but Muslim's are the majority. If Pak did not care we would be killing them in AJK like you are in IoK. You really have been brainwashed by the Indian media, haven't you??

 

[kumjsr]

Hindu's should be taken in to consideration too. I didn't say they didn't matter but Muslim's are the majority. If Pak did not care we would be killing them in AJK like you are in IoK. You really have been brainwashed by the Indian media, haven't you??

Can you please explain why Hindus have been killed and thrown out of Kashmir if it's Kashmir issue and not Kashmiri Muslims issue?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Not Arnab Goswami that I cal tell you!

Even he would be less partisan that whoever wrote yours for sure!

Reg Kashmir's accession. Once Pak and Ind were partitioned they were no more part of British India. Kashmir at the time of independence of both countries was an independent entity. So again, Pak had no role to play other than that of an invader.

 

[uppercut]

India is the enemy of every neighbour including Nepal and Sri Lanka. It supported civil war in Sri Lanka and has territorial disputes with Nepal too. We all know how it has been supporting terrorism in Afghanistan and it's never ending problems with Pak and China.

We are discussing Hindu-Muslim conflict in Kashmir. So please confirm if you agree with this:

If I understand your post correctly you are of the opinion that before 1947 the 2 communities lived very peacefully? If so for how many decades and centuries was this peaceful situation held before Nehru decided to fire the first shots for no good reason?

 

[PakLFC]

Can you please explain why Hindus have been killed and thrown out of Kashmir if it's Kashmir issue and not Kashmiri Muslims issue?

As I said Hindu's suffering in the valley is a reaction to how your military has been killing the majority Muslim community. This is what happens in a war zone in a tat for tat situation.

 

[kumjsr]

As I said Hindu's suffering in the valley is a reaction to how your military has been killing the majority Muslim community. This is what happens in a war zone in a tat for tat situation.

How does it make tat for tat situation?

Are you saying it's a struggle between Hindus and Muslims and not Kashmiri separatists and Indian govt that's why Hindus deserve to meet such fate?

 

[PakLFC]

Even he would be less partisan that whoever wrote yours for sure!

Reg Kashmir's accession. Once Pak and Ind were partitioned they were no more part of British India. Kashmir at the time of independence of both countries was an independent entity. So again, Pak had no role to play other than that of an invader.

Mines was written by the many Kashmiri people I have met, Pak sources and independent ones too. How many have you met? So in any such situation the Kashmiri people are the most important people to ask and agree not some Maharaja or Brit. They the Kashmiri people were not asked and never have been.

The invader is clearly India who landed it's troops in the valley without the people agreeing to it. The UN agree's to it as well. I will be honest and tell you not every Kashmiri wants to join Pak but I have never spoken to any Kashmiri who wants to be with India.

Arnab is so patriotic that he was screaming for mercy at the back of a police van. Our TV anchors don't do that!

 

[PakLFC]

How does it make tat for tat situation?

Are you saying it's a struggle between Hindus and Muslims and not Kashmiri separatists and Indian govt that's why Hindus deserve to meet such fate?

In the sense that when your Hindu army kills Muslim's then they see it as a religious war that they take out on the Hindu's. I am saying that the Hindu RSS army are the root cause of all this hatred.

 

[kumjsr]

In the sense that when your Hindu army kills Muslim's then they see it as a religious war that they take out on the Hindu's. I am saying that the Hindu RSS army are the root cause of all this hatred.

I still didn't get it.

If they are fighting against Indian army (consisting of Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs etc) for Kashmir, why would they kill Kashmiri Hindus?

What you are saying would be understandable if question was about why Hindus are being killed in other parts of India, but why Kashmiri Hindus when it is claimed that it's a fight for Kashmir and Kashmiris?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Mines was written by the many Kashmiri people I have met, Pak sources and independent ones too. How many have you met? So in any such situation the Kashmiri people are the most important people to ask and agree not some Maharaja or Brit. They the Kashmiri people were not asked and never have been.

The invader is clearly India who landed it's troops in the valley without the people agreeing to it. The UN agree's to it as well. I will be honest and tell you not every Kashmiri wants to join Pak but I have never spoken to any Kashmiri who wants to be with India.

Arnab is so patriotic that he was screaming for mercy at the back of a police van. Our TV anchors don't do that!

You keep bringing in people who are not relevant for this discussion at all! How does Arnab fit into history? He hasn't written any history books for you to keep bringing him up here.

You made 2 claims:
1. British find the Letter of Accession suspicious - any source for that?
2. Here you say the UN has declared India as the invader - source pls?

Pls don't say local Kashmiris say so

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Mines was written by the many Kashmiri people I have met, Pak sources and independent ones too. How many have you met? So in any such situation the Kashmiri people are the most important people to ask and agree not some Maharaja or Brit. They the Kashmiri people were not asked and never have been.

The invader is clearly India who landed it's troops in the valley without the people agreeing to it. The UN agree's to it as well. I will be honest and tell you not every Kashmiri wants to join Pak but I have never spoken to any Kashmiri who wants to be with India.

Arnab is so patriotic that he was screaming for mercy at the back of a police van. Our TV anchors don't do that!

Clearly - it was def written by people who know nothing. Thanks for confirming that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Congress has put section 144 in Rajasthan's kota district to stop people from watching the movie. They believe this will help them get the muslim votes.

If they get the 17 per cent muslim votes in Kota, will they win?

Lets see in a years time.

 

[PakLFC]

I still didn't get it.

If they are fighting against Indian army (consisting of Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs etc) for Kashmir, why would they kill Kashmiri Hindus?

What you are saying would be understandable if question was about why Hindus are being killed in other parts of India, but why Kashmiri Hindus when it is claimed that it's a fight for Kashmir and Kashmiris?

They are killing Kashmiri Hindu's because they share the same faith as the majority Indian soldiers who are oppressing them. It is like how other Muslim's of India suffer at the hands of Hindu extremists every time there coreligionist/s are killed in IoK. Kashmiri Hindu's are targeted as the are seen as being in cahoots with the Indian army.

 

[PakLFC]

You keep bringing in people who are not relevant for this discussion at all! How does Arnab fit into history? He hasn't written any history books for you to keep bringing him up here.

You made 2 claims:
1. British find the Letter of Accession suspicious - any source for that?
2. Here you say the UN has declared India as the invader - source pls?

Pls don't say local Kashmiris say so

You or some other Indian are the one who started the media debate by calling the Pak media liars. Now that I showed you the mirror you don't like it. Yes I have read many articles by the British on the maharaja's letter. Secondly as the maharaja did not ask the Kashmiri people it can not be seen as being genuine. Is the Kashmir issue recognized by the UN as a genuine case? Yes it is! Are you saying what the Kashmiri people including the Hindu's want does not matter?

As the LOC is not an international border Pak can do whatever it wants in IoK. The same can be said of India in AJK for that matter.

 

[PakLFC]

Clearly - it was def written by people who know nothing. Thanks for confirming that.

Rather I would say most Indian's like you are totally ignorant about this issue. As mentioned before this is understandable when you have been brainwashed by a media who have been repeatedly exposed as being the biggest liars in the world. This not according to Pak media rather many international sources and some Indian ones too. This is why you have one million soldiers in the valley terrorizing the locals and refuse to allow UN observers inside the valley for the benefit of the Kashmiri people!!. The thousands of unmarked graves must be for their good too!

That you think having 1 millions soldiers in the valley yet you tell us it is free tells us about your twisted logic and thinking. This is like saying the Russians killing the Ukrainians is for their own benefit.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

They are killing Kashmiri Hindu's because they share the same faith as the majority Indian soldiers who are oppressing them. It is like how other Muslim's of India suffer at the hands of Hindu extremists every time there coreligionist/s are killed in IoK. Kashmiri Hindu's are targeted as the are seen as being in cahoots with the Indian army.

You do know that unlike the Pak Army - Indian army has people from all regions and sections fo society?

It is funny that you feel there is a religious justification for killing unarmed people. I guess can't really say more than that.

 

[boomboomcheema]

You do know that unlike the Pak Army - Indian army has people from all regions and sections fo society?

It is funny that you feel there is a religious justification for killing unarmed people. I guess can't really say more than that.

Lol Indian Army has negligible Muslim representation ( like below 1% ) so much so that Army wanted to suppress the questioning in the media about why Muslims are so under represented in the Indian Army.

By that logic, Pakistan Army also has many Hindus some even working at officer level. What gives you the right to say - unlike the Pak Army ? India is nothing special you know .

First look at the demographic imbalance in your Army , 15-17% community accounting for below 1% of Army. It's well known that it's not a coincidence and the numbers are kept low for a reason .

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Lol Indian Army has negligible Muslim representation ( like below 1% ) so much so that Army wanted to suppress the questioning in the media about why Muslims are so under represented in the Indian Army.

By that logic, Pakistan Army also has many Hindus some even working at officer level. What gives you the right to say - unlike the Pak Army ? India is nothing special you know .

First look at the demographic imbalance in your Army , 15-17% community accounting for below 1% of Army. It's well known that it's not a coincidence and the numbers are kept low for a reason .

Are you saying that the Indian army turns away Muslim recruits? Any proof of that?

Anyways I am glad you skipped over your colleague's statement saying that there is religious justification for killing people of a different religion and focussed on the important point.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Are you saying that the Indian army turns away Muslim recruits? Any proof of that?

Anyways I am glad you skipped over your colleague's statement saying that there is religious justification for killing people of a different religion and focussed on the important point.

Btw I don't know if you've met any Indian soldiers - but if you do - ask them how they categorize themselves. Indians - or religion or any other category of division first.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Are you saying that the Indian army turns away Muslim recruits? Any proof of that?

Anyways I am glad you skipped over your colleague's statement saying that there is religious justification for killing people of a different religion and focussed on the important point.

If Indian army doesn't turn away Muslim recruits then why are the numbers so low ? As low as 1% ? Don't sell your Mera Bharat Mahaan chooran everywhere , it's not a coincidence like I said. How can a 17% community only makes up for 1% representation ? Your Army wanted to suppress the discussion and reasons behind it in the media. It's no problem, it's your business.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

If Indian army doesn't turn away Muslim recruits then why are the numbers so low ? As low as 1% ? Don't sell your Mera Bharat Mahaan chooran everywhere , it's not a coincidence like I said. How can a 17% community only makes up for 1% representation ? Your Army wanted to suppress the discussion and reasons behind it in the media. It's no problem, it's your business.

Maybe if you have some research or knowledge about this - pls present it. I would like to know as well.

The Indian army does not see itself as a religious institution. It will reject any attempt to try and fragment it based on religion. If Muslims don't join the army despite there being a free and fair process. It is not the army's fault.

 

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[Itachi]

If Indian army doesn't turn away Muslim recruits then why are the numbers so low ? As low as 1% ? Don't sell your Mera Bharat Mahaan chooran everywhere , it's not a coincidence like I said. How can a 17% community only makes up for 1% representation ? Your Army wanted to suppress the discussion and reasons behind it in the media. It's no problem, it's your business.

I would like to see any legitimate source for claiming of 1% Muslims in Indian army. Otherwise it's just data out of thin air and as have mods have put out in other threads, it's unethical and shouldn't be posted on reputed forum such as PP.

 

[boomboomcheema]

I would like to see any legitimate source for claiming of 1% Muslims in Indian army. Otherwise it's just data out of thin air and as have mods have put out in other threads, it's unethical and shouldn't be posted on reputed forum such as PP.

And here comes another Mahaan Bharat Indian defender of Army , your fellow Indian Brother comes on this website and says Pakistan Army doesn't come from all sections unlike the Mahaan Indian Army - that is fine ? I think it's fine to put up those stuffs on a reputed Pakistani forum about Pakistan Army but only Bharat Army should be free from any accusations. Do you think this is Indian media where you can shut down any discussions about the recruitment policy of your Army ? Why are you so afraid ?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC
They are killing Kashmiri Hindu's because they share the same faith as the majority Indian soldiers who are oppressing them. It is like how other Muslim's of India suffer at the hands of Hindu extremists every time there coreligionist/s are killed in IoK. Kashmiri Hindu's are targeted as the are seen as being in cahoots with the Indian army.

Perhaps we can start a new thread about the composition of the Indian army and not take away from this comment where a person feels it is justified to kill people for following a different religion. This was the entire reason this movie was made. Clearly, this sentiment is still alive and kicking.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

And here comes another Mahaan Bharat Indian defender of Army , your fellow Indian Brother comes on this website and says Pakistan Army doesn't come from all sections unlike the Mahaan Indian Army - that is fine ? I think it's fine to put up those stuffs on a reputed Pakistani forum about Pakistan Army but only Bharat Army should be free from any accusations. Do you think this is Indian media where you can shut down any discussions about the recruitment policy of your Army ? Why are you so afraid ?

Pakistan army's motto - Imaan, taqwa, jihad fi sabilillah - Faith, piety, holy war in the path of Allah (inclusive isn't it?)

Indian army's motto - Service before self

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I would like to see any legitimate source for claiming of 1% Muslims in Indian army. Otherwise it's just data out of thin air and as have mods have put out in other threads, it's unethical and shouldn't be posted on reputed forum such as PP.

Legitimate sources do state 3% (https://thediplomat.com/2014/05/indias-muslim-soldiers/)

That isn’t much better than 3% when the community in question has 14-15% share

 

[boomboomcheema]

Pakistan army's motto - Imaan, taqwa, jihad fi sabilillah - Faith, piety, holy war in the path of Allah (inclusive isn't it?)

Indian army's motto - Service before self

Now you are talking about inclusivity before you were bragging how Indian Army comes from all sections - Unlike Pakistan Army ..

Read this,

https://www.dnaindia.com/world/repo...-lieutenant-colonels-in-pakistan-army-2936317

There are already many Hindus and other Non Muslims representing Pakistan forces too. So how is your Bharat Army any special ? There might be thousands of others Non Muslims working at Junior Ranks in Pakistan Armed Forces. You don't care about low Muslim representation in your own Army but are giving your opinion about Pakistan Army as if Pakistan has a policy to turn away Non Muslim applications.

 

[Itachi]

And here comes another Mahaan Bharat Indian defender of Army , your fellow Indian Brother comes on this website and says Pakistan Army doesn't come from all sections unlike the Mahaan Indian Army - that is fine ? I think it's fine to put up those stuffs on a reputed Pakistani forum about Pakistan Army but only Bharat Army should be free from any accusations. Do you think this is Indian media where you can shut down any discussions about the recruitment policy of your Army ? Why are you so afraid ?

Answer the question without beating around the bush.

I'll repeat, Do you have any source for claiming that there in 1% recruitment of Muslims in the ratio to other religions in Indian army?

If you can't show one, then it's very dishonest attempt driven by your own personal agenda polluting the environment of PP where you are bringing data out of thin air.

As a veteran member, you should respect the community to not to bring fantasy data here and claiming it as reality.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Now you are talking about inclusivity before you were bragging how Indian Army comes from all sections - Unlike Pakistan Army ..

Read this,

https://www.dnaindia.com/world/repo...-lieutenant-colonels-in-pakistan-army-2936317

There are already many Hindus and other Non Muslims representing Pakistan forces too. So how is your Bharat Army any special ? There might be thousands of others Non Muslims working at Junior Ranks in Pakistan Armed Forces. You don't care about low Muslim representation in your own Army but are giving your opinion about Pakistan Army as if Pakistan has a policy to turn away Non Muslim applications.

If you feel that having a first Lt. Col after 70+ yrs of independence and a Major is a sign of inclusivity - good for you

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Now you are talking about inclusivity before you were bragging how Indian Army comes from all sections - Unlike Pakistan Army ..

Read this,

https://www.dnaindia.com/world/repo...-lieutenant-colonels-in-pakistan-army-2936317

There are already many Hindus and other Non Muslims representing Pakistan forces too. So how is your Bharat Army any special ? There might be thousands of others Non Muslims working at Junior Ranks in Pakistan Armed Forces. You don't care about low Muslim representation in your own Army but are giving your opinion about Pakistan Army as if Pakistan has a policy to turn away Non Muslim applications.

I really don't care about religious representation of my army/navy and air force. It is one of the few institutions in India that still work largely on merit.

 

[boomboomcheema]

I really don't care about religious representation of my army/navy and air force. It is one of the few institutions in India that still work largely on merit.

Yes it works so much on merit that a community of 17% is only capable to account for 1% representation. Maybe only Hindus have the special talent and requirements , Indian Muslims don't have it in them to join the ranks in Indian Army .

 

[boomboomcheema]

Answer the question without beating around the bush.

I'll repeat, Do you have any source for claiming that there in 1% recruitment of Muslims in the ratio to other religions in Indian army?

If you can't show one, then it's very dishonest attempt driven by your own personal agenda polluting the environment of PP where you are bringing data out of thin air.

As a veteran member, you should respect the community to not to bring fantasy data here and claiming it as reality.

Don't expect me to spoon feed you. Your own Ex Defense Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav said that Muslim representation in Armed forces is 1% and another Defense Minister George Fernandes said that Muslim in Indian Army is a suspect and unwanted. Look for those statements made in the past by your defense ministers itself.

Your Army fought tooth and nail for any facts to come out because they had a dirty laundry to hide.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Perhaps you could do a reveal on why this is so? That said what do you think of the statement below?

Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC
They are killing Kashmiri Hindu's because they share the same faith as the majority Indian soldiers who are oppressing them. It is like how other Muslim's of India suffer at the hands of Hindu extremists every time there coreligionist/s are killed in IoK. Kashmiri Hindu's are targeted as the are seen as being in cahoots with the Indian army.

 

[boomboomcheema]

If you feel that having a first Lt. Col after 70+ yrs of independence and a Major is a sign of inclusivity - good for you

Much better than Indian Muslims who only have a token representation of 1% in the Army probably working as cooks , cleaners , gardeners and driver's lol

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Much better than Indian Muslims who only have a token representation of 1% in the Army probably working as cooks , cleaners , gardeners and driver's lol

You may want to read how many top positions have been occupied by Muslims in India - including running the Intelligence Bureau. Since you don't like spoonfeeding you should be capable of finding these.

That said again - religion doesn't matter to the Indian Army

Btw, I came across this article - why the difference if you claim that everyone in the Pak army is treated the same?

Recently, Ashok Kumar, a Hindu soldier, who lay down his life fighting in Waziristan in 2013, was awarded Tamgha-i-Shujaat on March 23, 2015. But surprisingly, his name was suffixed with “late” and not “Shaheed” (martyr) as used for Muslim soldiers who have sacrificed their lives. Did Kumar not die for love of country?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1189939

 

[Itachi]

Don't expect me to spoon feed you. Your own Ex Defense Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav said that Muslim representation in Armed forces is 1% and another Defense Minister George Fernandes said that Muslim in Indian Army is a suspect and unwanted. Look for those statements made in the past by your defense ministers itself.

Your Army fought tooth and nail for any facts to come out because they had a dirty laundry to hide.

What someone states doesn't make it verified.

I'll repeat the question again. Do you have any substantial evidence to prove your claim that only 1% Muslim is recruited in comparison to all other religions?

Otherwise, as a veteran member, you are taking a very unethical, dishonest approach to bring data without any source and presenting it here. Mods have time and time again reiterated that if you provide any data, there should be legitimate source along with it which in your case is absent.

Are you denying the guidelines set by moderators on PP here?

 

[boomboomcheema]

What someone states doesn't make it verified.

I'll repeat the question again. Do you have any substantial evidence to prove your claim that only 1% Muslim is recruited in comparison to all other religions?

Otherwise, as a veteran member, you are taking a very unethical, dishonest approach to bring data without any source and presenting it here. Mods have time and time again reiterated that if you provide any data, there should be legitimate source along with it which in your case is absent.

Are you denying the guidelines set by moderators on PP here?

It is not any random nobody but defense Minister of India ( Ex ) himself saying that. Do you know more than him ? Off course numbers must be very very low and for a reason otherwise why would defense Minister's make these statements ..

From where shall we bring accurate stats when your Army fought tooth and nail to avoid any survey being taken ? And why did they oppose such move ? Because they have something to hide which they don't want to be known in public. As many sections of the Indian media state the Indian Army is not reflective of India"s pluralistic diversity and is a predominantly Hindu Force.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Indian Army is basically a Holy Cow who can have their own policies, maintain their own demographic balance and are above any kind of scrutiny. There have been sections of media and human right organizations who have questioned the internal policy of the Indian Army but they are always silenced.

https://m.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/27bidwai.htm

 

[cricketjoshila]

Legitimate sources do state 3% (https://thediplomat.com/2014/05/indias-muslim-soldiers/)

That isn’t much better than 3% when the community in question has 14-15% share

Read the source again. It quotes some report by a news channel and says that the Indian Army doesn't do any religious or caste based head count.

 

[Itachi]

It is not any random nobody but defense Minister of India ( Ex ) himself saying that. Do you know more than him ? Off course numbers must be very very low and for a reason otherwise why would defense Minister's make these statements ..

From where shall we bring accurate stats when your Army fought tooth and nail to avoid any survey being taken ? And why did they oppose such move ? Because they have something to hide which they don't want to be known in public. As many sections of the Indian media state the Indian Army is not reflective of India"s pluralistic diversity and is a predominantly Hindu Force.

So.... You don't have any source to back up your claims. Yet you are claiming it as facts otherwise which is against the guidelines set by moderators in PP where they insisted on not to post from unverified source (in your case, even that is absent).

Continuing to post data/statement without any source is implication of refusing to follow guidelines set by PP.

Will you continue doing this (refusing to obey guidelines set by PP) or will you provide any source for backing up your claims?

 

[boomboomcheema]

It is extremely unfortunate that the government has dropped the move to collate data on the status of Muslims in the armed forces. This follows an uproar over the steps taken by the Prime Minister's High-Level Committee -- PMHC -- on the social economic and educational status of the Muslim community headed by Justice Rajinder Sachar to approach the defence forces for such data.

From the Article,

https://in.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/14guest.htm

The committee wanted to inspect the status of Muslims in the Indian Army but all the attempts were shut down due to collaboration of Government and Army itself . The Army don't want to get it's laundry exposed in Public because question will be asked why Muslims are so under-represented in the Army. If there was nothing to hide the committee should have been allowed to conduct the inspection.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian Army is basically a Holy Cow who can have their own policies, maintain their own demographic balance and are above any kind of scrutiny. There have been sections of media and human right organizations who have questioned the internal policy of the Indian Army but they are always silenced.

https://m.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/27bidwai.htm

Media and Human Rights organizations dont fight for India's sovereignty. Such propoganda has been busted many times.

Army has a secular nature with no quotas for anyone. And anyone and everyone can try to get themselves recruited in the Armed forces. There are no restrictions.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Read the source again. It quotes some report by a news channel and says that the Indian Army doesn't do any religious or caste based head count.

So the source is wrong tell me the right % then , is it 25% ? Lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

From the Article,

https://in.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/14guest.htm

The committee wanted to inspect the status of Muslims in the Indian Army but all the attempts were shut down due to collaboration of Government and Army itself . The Army don't want to get it's laundry exposed in Public because question will be asked why Muslims are so under-represented in the Army. If there was nothing to hide the committee should have been allowed to conduct the inspection.

The Army has constitutional protection from any quotas and to have no caste or Religious based head count.

The attempt by NGOs to sabotage the armed forces has been crushed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So the source is wrong tell me the right % then , is it 25% ? Lol.

There is no percentage as the army doesn't do any caste or religion based head count. This is not a religious army.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Media and Human Rights organizations dont fight for India's sovereignty. Such propoganda has been busted many times.

Army has a secular nature with no quotas for anyone. And anyone and everyone can try to get themselves recruited in the Armed forces. There are no restrictions.

Sorry the Indian Army cannot be 99.99% Hindu and then claim to have no discrimination policies against Non Hindus this is basic common sense.

Why is the Army and government so afraid of a survey and inspection if they have nothing to hide ? Such inspections happen everywhere even in crime statistics, government job statistics even on basis of gender.