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dhonixi

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I read some other thread and got idea to compare both wrist spinners. As a all round cricketer shadab is ahead but i want to know about how they both compare as a bowler. Let's debate
 
As a bowler purely I would go with Kuldeep atm, however Shadab has the potential to get much better with time.
 
Kuldeep right now is a better spinner simply because he knows how to slow it down, keep it looping, and draw the batsman forward. Shadab relies on his speed and googly, which is a one-time weapon that can be easily negotiated if the batsman can read it out of the hand. Kuldeep has a more difficult task as a SLC is the most difficult art in the game. The only notable one in cricket has been Brad Hogg and even he was not a regular in the Australian squad. So, Kuldeep has a chance to become the best SLC in the modern era while Shadab needs to develop his leg-spinner and learn to slow it down.
 
Shadab bar as a batter is higher and Kuldeep's bar as a bowler is higher. Kuldeep is actually quite a good batter and can match Shadab in tests. But he may not get as many opportunities as India looks to him as a bowler who can bat a bit in lower order whereas Pak looks at Shadab to contribute more as a batter due to their poor lineup. I actually think this might result in Shadab being overall less effective as wrist spin requires a lot of time and effort to master. If Shadab spends considerable time honing his batting skills he might not really grow much as a bowler. That is one of the reasons why we find very few wrist spinning allronders.. As of now overall Kuldeep has been a better match winner who has actually contributed more in winning matches. Lets see how they develop. I have a feeling Shadab might actually become a Afridi type of bowler in LOIs.. lets see
 
I also think that Shadab has more potential in batting, his bowling is not his best facet. He overdoes googly.
 
Shadab is on a different level. Is this even serious? Better batsman by MILES and a much betetr bowler. Plus, Kuldeep has a very dodgy action. His arm swings out wide and then straightens, that isnt allowed. If a bowler has to have a round arm action, it must be straight, i.e. Malinga.
 
How can wrist spinner has a dodgy action. I don't think so. Let's not bring idiotic accusations here and change debate completely.
 
dhonixi said:
How can wrist spinner has a dodgy action. I don't think so. Let's not bring idiotic accusations here and change debate completely.
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not dodgy action.. about his game. unless he adds of lots of variations to his bowling it will become too one dimensional to survive decades of cricket. he will bat higher and higher considering how bad Pak line is and likely going to be in the future.. he may actually become more of a batsman who bowls than the other way around,...
 
[MENTION=140515]Gubol123[/MENTION] i think [MENTION=146504]barah_admi[/MENTION] talking about Kuldeep has a dodgy action. Who is he in your post?
 
No brainer, if a comparidon of a non-indian player vs an indian player, non-indian player is better on PP, duh.....
 
barah_admi said:
Shadab is on a different level. Is this even serious? Better batsman by MILES and a much betetr bowler. Plus, Kuldeep has a very dodgy action. His arm swings out wide and then straightens, that isnt allowed. If a bowler has to have a round arm action, it must be straight, i.e. Malinga.
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different level is a stretch.. Kuldeep is himself a decent bat but won't get to bat in Indian setup. and as a bowler Kuldeep has more variations compared to Shadab who is quite young by the way.... So no way in any format Shadab is on a different level unless you mean it is lower level :)
 
barah_admi said:
Shadab is on a different level. Is this even serious? Better batsman by MILES and a much betetr bowler. Plus, Kuldeep has a very dodgy action. His arm swings out wide and then straightens, that isnt allowed. If a bowler has to have a round arm action, it must be straight, i.e. Malinga.
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The question was a a bowler purely. You need to take off your green tinted glasses and look at things objectively. No wonder we are in this state when the slightest of criticisms invokes the most absurd of claims.
 
barah_admi said:
Shadab is on a different level. Is this even serious? Better batsman by MILES and a much betetr bowler. Plus, Kuldeep has a very dodgy action. His arm swings out wide and then straightens, that isnt allowed. If a bowler has to have a round arm action, it must be straight, i.e. Malinga.
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Man you really don't know what you're talking about. Do you even watch games?
 
I think its not fair to compare a right Leggie to chinaman bowler. Kuldeep has the advantage of being an anomaly.

Shadab is also 19, more athletic and will have a higher ceiling. Kuldeep currently is more skilled and his being left arm is a huge advantage for him which Shadab doesn’t have.
 
So after Faheem Ashraf, we have a thread where Indians and pseudo-Pakistanis can devalue Shadab Khan now.

Thankfully India have enough good batsmen in their team. Warna Fakhar Zaman ke talent ka bhi janaaza nikaal dete idher.

Neither have played enough to make a proper judgment. They might not even be in the team next year for all we know.
 
Kuldeep as a bowler is much better. He is a genuine turner of the ball a very classical wrist spinner.

Shadab Khan is flatter and quicker and turns the ball less and relies on his speed through the air and a googly, in the Imran Tahir mode. He is a better batsman though.
 
Kuldeep is miles better as a bowler. Shadab the better all-round package.
 
barah_admi said:
Shadab is on a different level. Is this even serious? Better batsman by MILES and a much betetr bowler. Plus, Kuldeep has a very dodgy action. His arm swings out wide and then straightens, that isnt allowed. If a bowler has to have a round arm action, it must be straight, i.e. Malinga.
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In the "cricket" matches you watch, is the objective to kick the ball in other teams' nets or through hoops?
 
Shadab has like 150 average ball and 9 with bat in tests so far. I think he should follow lala and give youngsters chance in test in his place.
 
JattMaula said:
Shadab has like 150 average ball and 9 with bat in tests so far. I think he should follow lala and give youngsters chance in test in his place.
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He has played one Test... Anyway the discussion was about LOI bowling.
 
DeadBall said:
It was obvious. Shadab has played one Test and Kuldeep two.
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One test had many balls. And its PP tradition to make early judgements. So I made mine. He should focus on batting like Lala as it does not look like he will make it as legspinner.
 
Kuldeep has been by far the better bowler so far; a stunning debut. Alongside Rashid Khan he may be the best ODI spinner in the world.
Shadab feels like he has if anything regressed slightly in terms of his bowling. But yes, I believe that in the long run he will prove a stunning, genuine allrounder, averaging - 30 with ball and 40 + something with bat
 
Kuldeep is better.he is harder to pick and has beautiful flight.
Shadab is similar to chahal or tahir bowls flat and mix up with googlies
 
Shadab is a star in the making. He is just 19 and he is very good spinner, compact with the bat, amazing in the field more importantly has a really good temperament. He was part of CT 17 winning team and has played BBL as well, so he has got good enough exposure.

Kuldeep on the other hand is 23, very very good with the ball however, his fitness doesnt look upto the mark needs to get bit leaner and also needs to improve his fielding as well.

Kuldeep is a bowler does have bit of an edge being a chinamen but as a cricketer every team would love to have a player like Shadab.
 
Titan24 said:
Shadab is a star in the making. He is just 19 and he is very good spinner, compact with the bat, amazing in the field more importantly has a really good temperament. He was part of CT 17 winning team and has played BBL as well, so he has got good enough exposure.

Kuldeep on the other hand is 23, very very good with the ball however, his fitness doesnt look upto the mark needs to get bit leaner and also needs to improve his fielding as well.

Kuldeep is a bowler does have bit of an edge being a chinamen but as a cricketer every team would love to have a player like Shadab.
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Kohli and support staff will make sure Kuldeep improves his fitness in coming days... Doubt math rakhna !
 
Shadab can become a very good all rounder for us in the future. He's only 20. He definitely is no kuldeep though.

We need to hire Mushtaq Ahmed as our spin bowling coach. He's done wonders wherever he's gone, so why aren't we making use of him? I don't understand PCB man...
 
Saw them boith bowl today and it wasn't even a contest. Looks like Yadav's variation and ability to spin on the same surface was very different from Shadab.'s
 
Kuldeep is better now, and will always be better. Stop hiding behind Shadabs age. You can see Kuldeep making improvements and Shadab isn’t. Kuldeep will continue to improve, Shadab can be a good player for Pakistan but he needs to work much harder than he is right now. Also needs to play more first class cricket.
 
I like Shadab. He’s a threat against most teams with the ball.

India may no longer be as deadly against spin as they used to be but we are still among the best. For a spinner to not perform against us is nothing to be ashamed of, i was just surprised with the full tosses and short stuff on offer. He did correct later in his spell.
 
Hes young and has a lot of potential in the shorter form of the game Unfortunately hes gonna be hit and miss till he gets more experience
 
Hasan123 said:
Kuldeep is better now, and will always be better. Stop hiding behind Shadabs age. You can see Kuldeep making improvements and Shadab isn’t. Kuldeep will continue to improve, Shadab can be a good player for Pakistan but he needs to work much harder than he is right now. Also needs to play more first class cricket.
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Exactly at 17 L Siva was landing every single ball superbly. Shadab is mastering the half trackers. Forget about Kuldeep he is not even close to Rahul Chahar, Shreyas Gopal both would have played for any other country.
 
I have seen Qadir, Musthaq. Danish Kaneria is much better bowler than Shadab who has serious landing issues. That is the basic aspect of leg spin. Landing. Otherwise Tendulkar would have been like SHane warne as he was deadly when he got the landing right.
 
They are different type of bowlers. Shadab is more a containing bowler who bowls quick. Kuldeep is more of traditional leg spinner that relies on spin and flight. Kuldeep can go for runs but is a genuine wicket taker. Shadab is more suited to t20s where batsmen need to be contained and they are trying to hit out.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Exactly at 17 L Siva was landing every single ball superbly. Shadab is mastering the half trackers. Forget about Kuldeep he is not even close to Rahul Chahar, Shreyas Gopal both would have played for any other country.
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Kuldeep is leagues above. The reason our fanbase say he is young is because they don't want to admit he isn't as good as they think.

He maybe one day but right now he has no business being our frontline spinner.
 
Shadab is one of the worst spinners going around. Let’s not compare him with a legend like Kuldeep.
 
Difference between Kuldeep and Shadab is the accuracy and the amount of turn they get.

Look at the delivery that got Babar out. On a flattish pitch, Left armer bowling chinaman from around the wicket, pitched ball way outside the RHB's off stump and then got it to spin back in a long way to hit the off stump. Thats a huge amount of revs on that ball. Shadab isnt spinning it that much.

Coming to accuracy, Kuldeep ofcourse is quite accurate, but this is where Shadab can improve with age.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Difference between Kuldeep and Shadab is the accuracy and the amount of turn they get.

Look at the delivery that got Babar out. On a flattish pitch, Left armer bowling chinaman from around the wicket, pitched ball way outside the RHB's off stump and then got it to spin back in a long way to hit the off stump. Thats a huge amount of revs on that ball. Shadab isnt spinning it that much.

Coming to accuracy, Kuldeep ofcourse is quite accurate, but this is where Shadab can improve with age.
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You, sir, are neglecting one of the most important aspects of spin bowling. Yes, the turn was there but it was the 'drift' that bamboozled or rather fooled Babar Azam. The drift meant the ball deviated from its original angle and had Babar leave too much gap between bat and pad as he was reaching for the ball and then produced the perfect turn. It is a leg spinners delight. Only the best in the business can do that. I'm sure Qadir and Warne would have been proud of that delivery.

Shadab is a good young talented guy. I see him as a natural successor to Shoaib Malik. Malik wasted his bowling talent by focussing on batting but Pakistan can develop Shadab as a bowler who can bat a bit when necessary. He needs to start flighting and providing more revolutions to the ball rather than just bowling it flat. He should consult legends like Mushtaq and Qadir to make few technical changes to his bowling.

Currently Shadab is a T20 bowler. This skillset is enough for him to survive onslaught in T20s but if he has to create impact in ODIs and tests, he needs to develop his skills. Good thing is he is still young and comes across as a guy willing to learn and lots of energy.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
You, sir, are neglecting one of the most important aspects of spin bowling. Yes, the turn was there but it was the 'drift' that bamboozled or rather fooled Babar Azam. The drift meant the ball deviated from its original angle and had Babar leave too much gap between bat and pad as he was reaching for the ball and then produced the perfect turn. It is a leg spinners delight. Only the best in the business can do that. I'm sure Qadir and Warne would have been proud of that delivery.

Shadab is a good young talented guy. I see him as a natural successor to Shoaib Malik. Malik wasted his bowling talent by focussing on batting but Pakistan can develop Shadab as a bowler who can bat a bit when necessary. He needs to start flighting and providing more revolutions to the ball rather than just bowling it flat. He should consult legends like Mushtaq and Qadir to make few technical changes to his bowling.

Currently Shadab is a T20 bowler. This skillset is enough for him to survive onslaught in T20s but if he has to create impact in ODIs and tests, he needs to develop his skills. Good thing is he is still young and comes across as a guy willing to learn and lots of energy.
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Some good points. Yes drift drift and loop is what Kuldeep has in abundance and shadab seriously lacks
Shadab needs to learn quick this good Will isn’t gonna last forever.
Malik was banned from bowling doosra so focused on batting. But until the mid 2000’s he was a fantastic prospect. He’s about ten years beyond his sell by date.
 
Shadab has good allround potential but as a bowler zafar gohar is the best spinner in pak,he turns it a lot.
A spinner need to turn the ball,accuracy is important but revs on the ball is the most important.
Rn shadab has none.
 
Shadab produces nothing with the bat in one day cricket, and with the ball his lack of control over line and length means he'll concede one freebie per over.

He averages around 40 v top teams in ODIs. But unsurprising when we fast track youngsters after one decent PSL.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
You, sir, are neglecting one of the most important aspects of spin bowling. Yes, the turn was there but it was the 'drift' that bamboozled or rather fooled Babar Azam. The drift meant the ball deviated from its original angle and had Babar leave too much gap between bat and pad as he was reaching for the ball and then produced the perfect turn. It is a leg spinners delight. Only the best in the business can do that. I'm sure Qadir and Warne would have been proud of that delivery.
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Spot on!

Kuldeep got brilliant drift on that ball.

However, I still don't think he's at his 100% in this tournament so far. He isn't getting that drift as consistently as I would like.

But if you look back at the highlights of the India vs South Africa match, you will see that Chahal was getting that drift almost throughout the match. It was too class wrist spin bowling.

Chahal wasn't at his best today. But I am hoping that in another 2-3 games they would both be hitting their strides together and come KO games, India's spin duo would be in prime form.
 
ak619 said:
Spot on!

Kuldeep got brilliant drift on that ball.

However, I still don't think he's at his 100% in this tournament so far. He isn't getting that drift as consistently as I would like.

But if you look back at the highlights of the India vs South Africa match, you will see that Chahal was getting that drift almost throughout the match. It was too class wrist spin bowling.

Chahal wasn't at his best today. But I am hoping that in another 2-3 games they would both be hitting their strides together and come KO games, India's spin duo would be in prime form.
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Kuldeep is coming from a very bad IPL and is starting to hit strides just now. Yesterday’s match would have boosted his confidence. He is just getting there. He was bowling too slow in the IPL and he has quickly worked on it and now bowling at about the perfect speed for a leg spinner. It’s just amazing how quickly he learnt it. I really want to see him develop more energy in wrists so that he can impart more revolutions to the ball. I can safely tell you, this is once in a generation bowler. He just needs to focus and be a quick learner like he is now. Great things await him. Just a matter of time.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
Kuldeep is coming from a very bad IPL and is starting to hit strides just now. Yesterday’s match would have boosted his confidence. He is just getting there. He was bowling too slow in the IPL and he has quickly worked on it and now bowling at about the perfect speed for a leg spinner. It’s just amazing how quickly he learnt it. I really want to see him develop more energy in wrists so that he can impart more revolutions to the ball. I can safely tell you, this is once in a generation bowler. He just needs to focus and be a quick learner like he is now. Great things await him. Just a matter of time.
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78-80 kph is Kuldeep's sweet spot for these pitches I think.

The one that got Babar out was 79 kph.

Chahal was also bowling at same speeds.

If Kuldeep can now being in his 100+ flipper into play and start trapping batsmen leg before, then I don't see anything stopping India from reaching the final.
 
Kuldeep will be milked easily by SL and Bangladesh. He will be destroyed by Eng.
 
WengerOut said:
Kuldeep will be milked easily by SL and Bangladesh. He will be destroyed by Eng.
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Root might play him well as he is a good player of spin. Buttler is just great against everyone.

But Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Roy, Vince are average players of spin and the class if Kuldeep and Chahal are sure to trouble them.

Kuldeep and Chahal have troubled Sri Lankans enough in the last 2 years that I'm fairly sure that it would be a good game for both.

Bangladesh...they probably are the second best players of spin after India. So, we'll have to wait and see what happens in that game.
 
Oh dear. 5 years on, this is an embarrassing comparison.

Well it was embarrassing even on day 1 for those who knew what Shadab was all about.
 
Just to compare stats, there is no question who is the better bowler

Matches playedBowling AverageStrike rateEconomy
Shadab Khan
63​
32.53​
37.8​
5.15​
Kuldeep Yadav
87​
26.04​
30.5​
5.12​
 
Not fair to compare someone at his best to someone going through a rough patch.

Shadab is VC for a reason
 
There wasnt a need to bump this thread.

Shadab started off well. During his start he wasnt a terrible bowler. He had spin in his bowling and did decently well.

However he had a few flaws. For example, when the ball wasnt landing where he wanted he would take out the towel to wipe the ball thus indicating that he was underpressure that he cant bowl.

Anyways the guy was doing well until we saw a glimpse where hardik pandya charged after him in the CT 2017. At one moment Shadab was at his best when taking Yuvis wicket while at another moment Pandya destroyed him. I never forgot what Pandya did and realized that Shadab did indeed have flaws in his bowling.

Had he started bowling in first class, i am sure he could had improved and worked out those flaws. But he went the t20 leagues route and his development stopped.

He was made vice captain because he has alot of cricketing sense and is liked alot by his peers. But he is selfish as a captain and his bowling is just terrible now.

If he doesnt play first class now, than his career could end after the world cup
 
Why would you compare a bowling all rounder to specialist spinner?

A better comparison would be Axar/jadeja vs Shadab.
 
Shadab Khan vs Mitchell Santner would be a better comparison I reckon. Different types of spinners but spin-bowling all-rounders nonetheless.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You didn't see the Hasan Ali vs Bumrah or Imran Nazir vs Sehwag threads?
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Still remember a particular thread comparing Virender Sehwag and Imran Nazir. Funniest bit was that posters were saying how Nazir was brainless but Sehwag couldn’t even dream of playing the shots that Nazir could🤣
 
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