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As countries go into lockdown, I hope people realise that an entire region has been forced into a lockdown by occupying forces.

While we have access to the internet and can stay connected and watch streaming services to keep ourselves busy, the Kashmiris are deprived of their daily basic necessities by India’s illegal occupation.
 
Not many people more brave and resilient than the Kashmiris. They can't be oppressed for ever.
 
Look beyond Kashmir, Palestina for few days .... we all are going through a major pandemic esp Europe :(
 
People need to leave their agendas little for a bit of time. Pathetic thread.

The whole world is fighting together against an unknown enemy and here we have people who are complaining because they are watching too much of Netflix due to lock down.
 
Lol .
Lockdown saves lives.

Already proved in Kashmir.
Now no restriction in Kashmir expect 4g .stop spreding fake news as usual.
184........
 
People need to leave their agendas little for a bit of time. Pathetic thread.

The whole world is fighting together against an unknown enemy and here we have people who are complaining because they are watching too much of Netflix due to lock down.
You know what's pathetic not supporting kashmiri's and their right of self determination and instead supporting the thugs
 
You know what's pathetic not supporting kashmiri's and their right of self determination and instead supporting the thugs

Talk about crocodile tears!!! What were the conditions of plebiscite? You must be aware about it as it has been discussed a zillion times i guess.

We have seen Pakistan’s twitter support to Kashmir in recent times. Pakistan didn’t fulfill the first point towards the self determination so it never happened. Not to mention ceding a part of Kashmir to China as if it was their land to give away.
 
ok if whole world is suffering lockdown just bcoz they didn't pressurize India enough on kashmir lockdown then why pakistan is suffering from this epidemic ? Technically they are the good boys with regards to kashmir right ? Then why r they suffering this epidemic or lockdown ?
 
Talk about crocodile tears!!! What were the conditions of plebiscite? You must be aware about it as it has been discussed a zillion times i guess.

We have seen Pakistan’s twitter support to Kashmir in recent times. Pakistan didn’t fulfill the first point towards the self determination so it never happened. Not to mention ceding a part of Kashmir to China as if it was their land to give away.
It's not a piece of land care about the PEOPLE they are suffering!! 😢😢😡
I don't care about it being part of Pak,India or independent but Don't treat them like s**t
 
I respect your emotions but this lockdown is not even 1℅ what we have been through.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/nCN6FZUUOH">pic.twitter.com/nCN6FZUUOH</a></p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1239459646701797376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
While the thread may be opportunistic (and I usually don't agree with the style of OP), the point it makes is true.

A little bit of unease and the world is whining non stop.

But this is the reality for Kashmiris for months.

Businesses crashed.

Can't interact with outside world.

Leaders under house arrest.

Imagine your life coming to a GRINDING halt when you are POOR.

All people want is a piece of land with no care for the people in it.

This is WRONG and there are no two ways about this.

At worst what can they call those who speak against this?

Antinational?

:))

Would gladly take that tag.
 
The soldiers of the Indian occupying forces in Kashmir are just about to face a massive dilemma. It's one thing 'fighting the enemy on the front lines whilst your family is back home facing danger from allies of that enemy" because you believe that despite not being able to run back and protect them, fighting, and beating this enemy will eventually result in your family back home being safe.

But now when your family is in danger from a completely different enemy, an enemy that has nothing to do with the enemy you're fighting on the front lines, but you still can't run back home to protect them ..... it's not good for morale is it?
 
As i said on here many times the future is not linear and as much the as the Chinese, the Indians, the Israelis want you believe that what is here today will always be here tomorrow, it aint and from nowhere a bolt from the blue. "But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners" Dont oppress the innocent and dont support the oppression because money is at stake. The Capitalist system has had a warning.
 
While the thread may be opportunistic (and I usually don't agree with the style of OP), the point it makes is true.

A little bit of unease and the world is whining non stop.

But this is the reality for Kashmiris for months.

Businesses crashed.

Can't interact with outside world.

Leaders under house arrest.

Imagine your life coming to a GRINDING halt when you are POOR.

All people want is a piece of land with no care for the people in it.

This is WRONG and there are no two ways about this.

At worst what can they call those who speak against this?

Antinational?

:))

Would gladly take that tag.

Agreed.

Dont like the tone of the thread notr I believe this is Allah wrath on evil India for kashmir but it really allows us to expierence what those poor people have been suffering for months and gives everyone a sense of perspective .
 
As countries go into lockdown, I hope people realise that an entire region has been forced into a lockdown by occupying forces.

While we have access to the internet and can stay connected and watch streaming services to keep ourselves busy, the Kashmiris are deprived of their daily basic necessities by India’s illegal occupation.

Only kashmiris and not for Uyigurs from Chinese who are becoming extinct from January ...... Oh yes its a FIXED AGENDA :amir3
 
Only kashmiris and not for Uyigurs from Chinese who are becoming extinct from January ...... Oh yes its a FIXED AGENDA :amir3

Off course their is an agenda, which is to help and fight for the people of Kashmir, i thought it was obvious.

Did you forget the history? Pakistan and Kashmir, partition, war, etc?

What does China muslim has to do with it.

This diversion tactic is failing, it may work on Indian ( who can't think for themselves) but not on Pakistani majority forum.
 
As i said on here many times the future is not linear and as much the as the Chinese, the Indians, the Israelis want you believe that what is here today will always be here tomorrow, it aint and from nowhere a bolt from the blue. "But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners" Dont oppress the innocent and dont support the oppression because money is at stake. The Capitalist system has had a warning.

Post of the week.
 
As i said on here many times the future is not linear and as much the as the Chinese, the Indians, the Israelis want you believe that what is here today will always be here tomorrow, it aint and from nowhere a bolt from the blue. "But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners" Dont oppress the innocent and dont support the oppression because money is at stake. The Capitalist system has had a warning.

Doesn't seem it is a best plan from GOD when the greedy evil capitalists are punishing the whole world and the GOD is sitting there doing nothing. If it's a part of GOD'S plan, then it is everything that HE is supposed not to do.
 
Most Indians these days have no consciousness for the suffering of non hindus.

They don't care for India.

They just care for Modi and are obsessed with making India a Hindu nation hosting cow urine drinking parties on daily basis.
 
OP made a valid point. You don't realize it until you go through the same situation. Kashmiris are infact in a worse situation than this.
 
People need to leave their agendas little for a bit of time. Pathetic thread.

The whole world is fighting together against an unknown enemy and here we have people who are complaining because they are watching too much of Netflix due to lock down.

Your thinking is quite pathetic here.

The whole world is fighting against an unknown enemy but people can still work from their homes and earn money. Now please tell me how were kashmiris earning money and putting food on the table during lockdown? What about those who used to work from home using their fast internet? What are they doing these days? :inti
 
Your thinking is quite pathetic here.

The whole world is fighting against an unknown enemy but people can still work from their homes and earn money. Now please tell me how were kashmiris earning money and putting food on the table during lockdown? What about those who used to work from home using their fast internet? What are they doing these days? :inti

just one question. Have you gone through a lockdown?

Don't worry, i'll answer your questions. Being locked down for months in two different occasions (one in 90s and one was in post 2012), I can fairly say how the lives can be.
 
just one question. Have you gone through a lockdown?

Don't worry, i'll answer your questions. Being locked down for months in two different occasions (one in 90s and one was in post 2012), I can fairly say how the lives can be.

Comparing current lock down and Kashmiri being lock down is just pathetic but what else do you expect from oppressor and supporter of oppressor.

Enjoy your netflix.
 
Comparing current lock down and Kashmiri being lock down is just pathetic but what else do you expect from oppressor and supporter of oppressor.

Enjoy your netflix.

Read my post carefully before making any pre assumptions. I wrote the time frame of the lockdowns i faced.

This is the problem with your thought process. You come to conclusion before even reading what was written.
 
People need to leave their agendas little for a bit of time. Pathetic thread.

The whole world is fighting together against an unknown enemy and here we have people who are complaining because they are watching too much of Netflix due to lock down.

just one question. Have you gone through a lockdown?

Don't worry, i'll answer your questions. Being locked down for months in two different occasions (one in 90s and one was in post 2012), I can fairly say how the lives can be.

Read my post carefully before making any pre assumptions. I wrote the time frame of the lockdowns i faced.

This is the problem with your thought process. You come to conclusion before even reading what was written.

Go ahead, read it.

Getting upset looking at a mirror?

Nothing is pathetic about highlighting Kashmir being locked up for no other reason than to control them.
 
Go ahead, read it.

Getting upset looking at a mirror?

Nothing is pathetic about highlighting Kashmir being locked up for no other reason than to control them.

Then quote the appropriate post. The post you quoted I mentioned locked downs in 90s and 2012. Context matters.

If words are taken out of context, even Quran seems inciting violence. But we both know that isn't true.
 
just one question. Have you gone through a lockdown?

Don't worry, i'll answer your questions. Being locked down for months in two different occasions (one in 90s and one was in post 2012), I can fairly say how the lives can be.
You didn't answer even a single question.

If you had gone through lockdowns you would have understood their pain.

Have I gone through a lockdown? Yes, recently in Delhi. Now please answer my questions without cross questioning.
 
ok if whole world is suffering lockdown just bcoz they didn't pressurize India enough on kashmir lockdown then why pakistan is suffering from this epidemic ? Technically they are the good boys with regards to kashmir right ? Then why r they suffering this epidemic or lockdown ?

Did I say that? you are either being too defensive or you need to self-isolate because you clearly missed the point in the OP.
 
Some of my fellow posters have correctly identified the purpose of this thread. We don't actually realise what someone is going through until and unless we or our loved ones have to go through a similar experience.

I have not said that it is "Allah's wrath" or that "World is being punished for oppressing Muslims" etc. That is not the point. To each his own faith.

Bottom line is that in present day and age (referred to as Kalyug by Hindus, and Muslims believe that such period will be defined by presence of the Dajjal) no one has time to do the right thing unless it benefits them.

We don't truly care for someone else's pain and suffering as long as we can keep it off our door-steps. This virus and the lock-down imposed by it at least allows us to perhaps empathise with the kashmiris, the Palestinians, Muslims in China, victims of the Holocaust, Hindu victims of Muslim conquests etc. anyone who has to either flee from their homes or to go into hiding in order to survive.

And make no mistake, you are more likely to die from a bullet than this virus in Kashmir.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kashmir's Lalchowk on Saturday as people stay indoors amid coronovirus pandemic. Since government lacks health facilities to tackle the pandemic, people are following self preventive measures to fight this deadly virus. &#55357;&#56568; <a href="https://twitter.com/kamran_yousf?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kamran_yousf</a> <a href="https://t.co/k1CqHiGSWa">pic.twitter.com/k1CqHiGSWa</a></p>— Wasim Khalid (@WasemKhalid) <a href="https://twitter.com/WasemKhalid/status/1241346416594706434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote>
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While the thread may be opportunistic (and I usually don't agree with the style of OP), the point it makes is true.

A little bit of unease and the world is whining non stop.

But this is the reality for Kashmiris for months.

Businesses crashed.

Can't interact with outside world.

Leaders under house arrest.

Imagine your life coming to a GRINDING halt when you are POOR.

All people want is a piece of land with no care for the people in it.

This is WRONG and there are no two ways about this.

At worst what can they call those who speak against this?

Antinational?

:))

Would gladly take that tag.
Yeah we were flinging stones on soldiers and burning their vehicles.

Pathetic comparison.

Bhai thoda logic to rakho apni baato mai.
 
Yeah we were flinging stones on soldiers and burning their vehicles.

Pathetic comparison.

Bhai thoda logic to rakho apni baato mai.

Who said stone pelters are to be supported?

Was obviously talking about Article 370 abrogation which made sure we had to keep the area locked down for crazy periods... And many many people's livelihood crashed.

Imagine being locked out for months on end with almost no money to survive.

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We can get to this later. Would rather not get into a debate about Kashmir now.
 
Yeah we were flinging stones on soldiers and burning their vehicles.

Pathetic comparison.

Bhai thoda logic to rakho apni baato mai.
After the rapes, beatings and torture of kashmiri's by Indian armed forces, police officers all you are crying about is stone pelting what an idiotic thing tbh
You guys should be happy that more is not happening this thing could have been worse
 
Kashmiris are brave soldiers, they will survive this even when India will not give them much help.

There may come a time India's hundreds of thousands troops will be needed in big cities.

Kashmiris stay strong brothers and sisters, your duas will be fullfilled God willing.
 
After the rapes, beatings and torture of kashmiri's by Indian armed forces, police officers all you are crying about is stone pelting what an idiotic thing tbh
You guys should be happy that more is not happening this thing could have been worse
Stop presenting kashmiris as some sort of docile, innocent awaam.

What they have done is still etched in everyones memory,(i dont want to touch that topic), they deserve everything they are getting.

Secondly, I was referring to violence against army not just flinging stones.
 
Stop presenting kashmiris as some sort of docile, innocent awaam.

What they have done is still etched in everyones memory,(i dont want to touch that topic), they deserve everything they are getting.

Secondly, I was referring to violence against army not just flinging stones.
They are not and they shouldn't be ghairatmand people are not like that and no amount of kashmiri wrong doings,(which they are not but for the sake of the argument OK) deserve state led violence against a whole group of people
 
Who said stone pelters are to be supported?

Was obviously talking about Article 370 abrogation which made sure we had to keep the area locked down for crazy periods... And many many people's livelihood crashed.

Imagine being locked out for months on end with almost no money to survive.

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We can get to this later. Would rather not get into a debate about Kashmir now.

Well this thread is about kashmir and lockdowns.
I dont know how you can be so obtuse, kashmiris were creating havoc and one of their locals was involved in pulwama attack.

Well i know that liberals trust kashmiris more than army and theres no way in hell you"ll ever appreciate anything from this govt but still i couldn't resist when i saw your post comparing our situation to kashmiris.
They are not victims.
 
Well this thread is about kashmir and lockdowns.
I dont know how you can be so obtuse, kashmiris were creating havoc and one of their locals was involved in pulwama attack.

Well i know that liberals trust kashmiris more than army and theres no way in hell you"ll ever appreciate anything from this govt but still i couldn't resist when i saw your post comparing our situation to kashmiris.
They are not victims.
Yes they are not victims but were still put in a lockdown for months. Their jobs and businesses suffered.

On the other hand, people can still work from their homes due to this coronavirus lockdown. Internet and online payments are not going to stop infact banks are encouraging to use them. People are asked to stay in touch with their loved one through mobile phones. Were the same facilities given to kashmiris during lockdown? :inti
 
J&K: Doctors Appeal For Restoration of 4G Amid COVID-19 Fears

Strict restrictions on movement and assembly of people continued for the third consecutive day on Saturday, 21 March in Kashmir to contain the spread of the new coronavirus that has infected four people in the Valley.

Following this, doctors, healthcare workers, researchers and students in Kashmir are taking to social media to raise concerns about restricted information due to slow speed internet, The Wire reported.

“They’re demanding restoration of full-speed 4G internet so that people can be better informed and get critical information about the coronavirus pandemic.” the report stated.

Spelling out various measures taken to check the spread of coronavirus, the Jammu and Kashmir administration on Saturday, 21 March said Army facilities can be roped in for isolation purpose while training centres can also be explored for quarantine camps.

Amid Virus Fears, Doctors Find It Difficult to Access Guidelines

As the virus fear gripped the country and India prepared for a nationwide voluntary lockdown, Kashmiri doctors and locals took to Twitter to express concerns over the slow internet connections and delays in accessing healthcare information.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is so frustrating.. Trying to download the guidelines for intensive care management as proposed by docs in England.. 24 Mbs and one hour.. Still not able to do so... <a href="https://twitter.com/MirzaWaheed?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MirzaWaheed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/naseerganai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@naseerganai</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/islahmufti?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@islahmufti</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Samaanlateef?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Samaanlateef</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DrKaloo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrKaloo</a></p>— Iqbal Saleem (@DrIqbalSaleemM1) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrIqbalSaleemM1/status/1240632850812030977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Infact <a href="https://twitter.com/Shehla_Rashid?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Shehla_Rashid</a> I think the great people of Kashmir will still suffer more than us, cause there is no 4G in Kashmir vs the rest of India. Therefore it is a humble request to the hona'ble <a href="https://twitter.com/PMOIndia?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@pmoindia</a> to immediately restore 4G services in Kashmir. <a href="https://t.co/edCdsgHIvR">https://t.co/edCdsgHIvR</a></p>— Tehseen Poonawalla Official (@tehseenp) <a href="https://twitter.com/tehseenp/status/1240579917210742784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"With internet speed restricted to 2G, Kashmiris can't work from home or attend online classes. Doctors in Kashmir have also been stymied in getting information on coronavirus" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Restore4G?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Restore4G</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Internet?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Internet</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/mgg3da4Cjr">https://t.co/mgg3da4Cjr</a></p>— Samiya Latief (@Samiyalatief) <a href="https://twitter.com/Samiyalatief/status/1241649883917901829?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I urge PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> to restore normal (4g) internet services in J&K. Kashmir is already under lockdown. Effective and easy communication is an integral part of fighting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a>. The current policy is inhumane. You can reimpose it when the health threat is over.</p>— Salman Anees Soz (@SalmanSoz) <a href="https://twitter.com/SalmanSoz/status/1241198208480665601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote>
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https://www.thequint.com/news/india/jandk-doctors-appeal-for-restoration-of-4g-amid-covid-19-fears
 
Well this thread is about kashmir and lockdowns.
I dont know how you can be so obtuse, kashmiris were creating havoc and one of their locals was involved in pulwama attack.

Well i know that liberals trust kashmiris more than army and theres no way in hell you"ll ever appreciate anything from this govt but still i couldn't resist when i saw your post comparing our situation to kashmiris.
They are not victims.

1. You seem to believe it's a black and white issue with clear victims and oppressors so you have the views you have.

2. The reality is that this is as GREY an issue as one can ever be. There's a reason why no solution was found for this for the past 60 years. No one in this world can summarize this issue in a single sentence and do justice to it.

3. I was talking about Article 370 abrogation and the subsequent lockdown. Once we abrogated it, we were forced to put in the lockdown which killed the businesses and livelihood of so many Kashmiris. If you think they deserve it due to stone pelters, then why don't you & I (being Hindus) deserve to be under lockdown for what some Hindutva goons did in Delhi riots? Things don't work that way.

4. As for stone pelters, I don't agree with that approach. I think Kashmiris got it wrong. It actually makes it easier for Indian govt to do what they want to do. But if you think there are no atrocities happening in Kashmir even otherwise, you are sadly mistaken. Just go and read any the 1000s of articles that have popped up in foreign media.

5. You may not know this but my Dad and Uncle have dealt with politicians of this country (like top leaders) INCLUDING Kashmiri politicians (CMs). They talk about how the current status quo makes it hard for Kashmir to develop and how Article 370 can help them prosper. That's the economic side of it and on paper, it makes sense. But from a practical (and moral) side, they know this is a messy issue. You can't treat Kashmiris this way and expect them to integrate. It doesn't make sense. And lockdown the way India did KILLING the businesses of people is WRONG on every level.

6. By the way, don't think that our Army is all clean and pure. There are a LOT of traitors in there who actually help extremists for money. Source my own dad who was told this by an army official.

7. I have been hearing arguments about Kashmir from both Indians and Pakistanis for years. Read up a lot on it (it's an ongoing process). So yes, I know what I am talking about. It's not a view formed after reading some biased Indian articles or some Pakistanis ranting here. In fact, I think my personal views won't be shared by most Indians or Pakistanis and that's ok.

8. And last but not the least, it's not about liberals trusting Kashmiris over Army. It's about looking at EVERY issue as impartially as you can (we are all flawed humans but we can try). Support is issue based. I have always talked about Dharma and doing the right thing in many many posts...and after looking at what is happening in Kashmir, I just cannot toe the Indian narrative. Nor do I resonate with the Pakistani narrative. It's a much much more complex issue.

9. I personally don't know the solution to Kashmir (tho I have my own preferences) but the LEAST I can do is call out injustices when and where it happens.

10. And finally, yes this is a thread about Kashmir and you are FREE to quote and post others. I said I wasn't in a mood to discuss Kashmir now with what's happening in the world.
 
'We'll die like cattle': Kashmiris fear coronavirus outbreak

Srinagar, Indian-administered Kashmir - As the world scrambles to deal with the coronavirus pandemic, fear and anxiety prevail in Indian-administered Kashmir after four COVID-19 cases were detected.

Hospitals in the disputed Himalayan region have an acute shortage of doctors and paramedics, while its healthcare facilities are insufficient to meet the crisis which has unsettled countries with world-class medical infrastructure.

Given the situation, residents of the valley fear the potentially disastrous consequences of the coronavirus pandemic after the first case of infection was reported on Thursday.

Apprehensions abound that this may be just the "tip of the iceberg" as several hundred people, most of whom had travelled to other countries, were placed under quarantine.

In nearby Ladakh, which until August was part of Kashmir before it was separated and turned into a federally-administered territory, 13 cases tested positive, most of whom had travelled to Iran.

The Muslim-majority region has been under a strict security and communication lockdown since August 5 when New Delhi stripped the disputed Himalayan region's of its special status. The internet was restored earlier this month, but it remains slow as 4G services are still not allowed.

Series of measures

Srinagar, Indian-administered Kashmir's main city and home to a million people, turned into a ghost town this week as markets were shut, public transport banned and entry of travellers restricted.

"We aren't testing proactively and enough," Junaid Mattu, mayor of Srinagar, said. "We aren't preparing for the worst."

The valley's administration, which now reports to New Delhi, has taken a series of measures aimed at containing the spread of the virus, including a lockdown that has grown in recent days.

Schools, colleges and universities, which reopened last month after seven months of an earlier lockdown, have been shut again as people stock up on essential supplies in preparation for another lengthy period of isolation.

The fear over the pandemic is compounded by a feeling among Kashmiris that the administration is not being transparent with them.

"Trust me, if I share a summary of daily events, no one in Kashmir will sleep," Shahid Chaudhary, head of the civil administration in Srinagar, wrote on Twitter.

"Let's keep our egos aside, work collectively and instead of raising panic and alarm help each other to improve. This (is) 3rd World War. Nothing less."

Hospitals ill-equipped

The real crisis, however, may well lie in Kashmir's hospitals, which remain understaffed and ill-equipped to fight the outbreak.

A veteran doctor, the former principal of Government Medical College (GMC) in Srinagar who is acquainted with the region's healthcare facilities, warned that a major disaster could occur. The college has seven major hospitals associated with it.

"We need lockdown for one month," he told Al Jazeera on condition of anonymity. "If it [coronavirus pandemic] happens here, we will be devastated. We will die like cattle."

The doctor said Kashmir's healthcare system is "ill-equipped to deal with even normal things in normal times".

"It will crush us and devastate us, unless the community intervenes," he said.

Samia Rashid, current GMC principal, said the outpatient department and all elective surgeries have been suspended in the associate hospitals.

"Only emergencies will be examined and cancer surgeries performed. Patients who do not require immediate treatment are requested to not visit hospitals," she urged.

Rashid said the GMC administration has "more than 13,000 N95 masks, 3,300 Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) kits," adding that they also procured 122,000 triple layered masks.

N95 respirator masks and surgical masks (face masks) are used by doctors and other health workers to protect them from infections while treating COVID-19 patients.

Rashid said that while there were enough ventilators "to contain the situation right now", there was a shortage of manpower. "Our manpower to run them all is not sufficient."

An official audit of healthcare facilities conducted in 2018 found that the existing manpower was "barely sufficient to run the health institutions in view of sustained increase of patient flow across the state".

"[Kashmir] is severely short of nursing staff. Against a requirement of 3,193 nurses … there are only 1,290 sanctioned posts of staff nurses in the [former] Jammu and Kashmir state with a deficit of 1,903 posts which need to be created," the audit found.

The audit noted that the doctor to patient ratio in the Kashmir region is one of the lowest in India. "Compared to the doctor-patient ratio of 1:2,000 in India, Jammu and Kashmir has one allopathic doctor for 3,866 people against the WHO norm of one doctor for 1,000 population," it said.

Doctors fear going home

Ahmad, a doctor at Srinagar's Shri Maharaja Hari Singh Hospital, told Al Jazeera doctors fear going home after work.

"We do not have the required protective equipment. We just wear a surgical mask, normal gloves and surgical gown and a cap. We cannot tell a patient to maintain distance," he said.

"It is the first place where people come with symptoms and their first contact with a doctor".

Ahmad said doctors like him are at risk of being exposed to coronavirus infection and "do not want to be the carrier of the virus".

"If we get infected, the whole hospital staff would have to be quarantined. We need proper equipment so that the health system keeps going," he told Al Jazeera.

The Resident Doctors Association at the hospital, in a statement, this week said "every patient visiting the hospital should be viewed as a potential COVID-19 case" and rued the dearth of protective infrastructure and sanitisers at the hospital.

"Welfare of public depends on doctors, and if doctors themselves are sick, how can they provide healthcare to general public."

At the region's two major hospitals, which see thousands of patients daily from across Kashmir, two doctors have been put in quarantine after they developed symptoms of COVID-19.

Internet shutdown

Amid the alarming threat of the spread of COVID-19, Kashmir also faces a crippling blockade of high-speed internet which has effectively hampered an effective awareness campaign among the people as well as among doctors.

High-speed internet services in the region have been blocked since August to prevent protests against the abrogation of the region's autonomy.

Iqbal Saleem, a professor of surgery at GMC, said he could not download a COVID-19 manual for doctors.

"This is so frustrating. Trying to download the guidelines for intensive care management as proposed by doctors in England. 24 Mbs and one hour. Still not able to do so," he said on Twitter referring to using the low-speed mobile internet that is the only thing available in the region.

Another doctor working at a hospital in north Kashmir said the low-speed internet was handicapping them when it came to getting updated information from around the globe. "We don't know anything, and we are not able to download research papers etc, it's very hard," he said.

The ban of high-speed internet has also made it impossible for many in Kashmir to work from home, one of the important precautionary measures taken in many countries to contain the spread of the disease.

"We don't have the option to work from home as there is not enough mobile internet speed to connect our laptops," Arshad, an IT employee, said.

Amnesty International has condemned the continuous suspension of high-speed internet in the region and asked the Indian authorities to fully restore it.

"In wake of the Coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, the Government of the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir must restore full access to internet services in the region of Jammu and Kashmir and ensure that people have full access to health and safety related information," said Avinash Kumar, Executive Director of Amnesty International India, in a statement.

Kumar said restricting the internet speed makes it difficult for people to "navigate their way through a difficult time further undermining their trust in the authorities".

"The Government of India needs to adopt a rights-respecting approach to protect public health and restore access to 4G speed internet."

When asked about the restoration of high-speed internet, Jammu and Kashmir government spokesperson Rohit Kansal's response was: "Whenever there is some information, we will update you."

Amid the growing concerns, more than 170 academics from around the world have written a letter to the World Health Organization and UN special rapporteurs about the restoration of high-speed internet in Kashmir.

"Despite the region reporting multiple positive cases of COVID-19, the Indian government has, criminally, barred residents from accessing reliable, high-speed internet. Only recently, through an administrative diktat, the Indian authorities extended the ban on high-speed internet until 26th of March," the letter said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ear-coronavirus-outbreak-200322151405218.html
 
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What a jaahil! Not a surprise though...
 
Yes they are not victims but were still put in a lockdown for months. Their jobs and businesses suffered.

On the other hand, people can still work from their homes due to this coronavirus lockdown. Internet and online payments are not going to stop infact banks are encouraging to use them. People are asked to stay in touch with their loved one through mobile phones. Were the same facilities given to kashmiris during lockdown? :inti

were the facilities given people now due to pandemic throw stones to kill person
 
hunn bolo India waalyo.how's the lockdown treating you? Remember us!! you reap what you sow

Same 2 u !
Some kashmiris tortured hindu pandits in
90s. Modi revoked article 370 , well done Modi hehe

Even kashmir is in genuine lockdown now. Omar abdullah came after 232 days house arrest to find himself in another lockdown.
 
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Same 2 u !
Some kashmiris tortured hindu pandits in
90s. Modi revoked article 370 , well done Modi hehe

Even kashmir is in genuine lockdown now. Omar abdullah came after 232 days house arrest to find himself in another lockdown.
you have lockdown us for a year without internet! we don't care! It doesn't matter.worry for yourself and your countrymen.
 
Same 2 u !
Some kashmiris tortured hindu pandits in
90s. Modi revoked article 370 , well done Modi hehe

Even kashmir is in genuine lockdown now. Omar abdullah came after 232 days house arrest to find himself in another lockdown.
Ya kashmir is in lockdown but it is nothing new for us worry for yourself and your people as many poor may die due to hunger.
Regarding 370 you were arguing like anything that Abrogating it will bring development agr kahi dikhe to dikha dena lol.
 
Same 2 u !
Some kashmiris tortured hindu pandits in
90s. Modi revoked article 370 , well done Modi hehe

Even kashmir is in genuine lockdown now. Omar abdullah came after 232 days house arrest to find himself in another lockdown.
Man you talking some petty s**t and you are justifying Indian governments crimes by saying that some kashmiri's killed Hindu pandits IN 90s so the whole of kashmiris should suffer wth you talkin about my man????
 
I suspect that since the Kashmiris have been in lock down now for so long, enforced by the army, that they've found ways to cope, with the result that in Kashmir the coronavirus spread will be far slower compared with the rest of India, where it will be a shock to the people, they are not prepared for it, and thus more difficult to enforce.

Especially after a week or two when, for many, money would have run out, food will be in short supply, and people are seriously ill / dying all around them due to the cioronavirus..

When that happens I wouldn't be surprised if there's a mad scramble by many trying to get INTO Kashmir, thinking that they will be far safer there, as Kashmir would look like a coronavirus 'safe zone' compared to the rest of India.
 
I suspect that since the Kashmiris have been in lock down now for so long, enforced by the army, that they've found ways to cope, with the result that in Kashmir the coronavirus spread will be far slower compared with the rest of India, where it will be a shock to the people, they are not prepared for it, and thus more difficult to enforce.

Especially after a week or two when, for many, money would have run out, food will be in short supply, and people are seriously ill / dying all around them due to the cioronavirus..

When that happens I wouldn't be surprised if there's a mad scramble by many trying to get INTO Kashmir, thinking that they will be far safer there, as Kashmir would look like a coronavirus 'safe zone' compared to the rest of India.

If a person sleeps more than 10 hours a day he/she will end up getting day dreams like u hehehe

Btw, it's lock down NOT curfew. Banks, groceries, medical shops & other essentials will be open

More at :

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/cor...pen-what-is-not-2200136?pfrom=home-topstories
 
Ya kashmir is in lockdown but it is nothing new for us worry for yourself and your people as many poor may die due to hunger.
Regarding 370 you were arguing like anything that Abrogating it will bring development agr kahi dikhe to dikha dena lol.

It's really sweet of u that u worry about us so much but bhaijaan article 370 was removed to make sure land of kashmir remains with india indefinitely ! haha & it will remain with us forever hehehe
Development will happen sooner or later when hindus from rest if india slowly but surely will change the demographics. It will not happen immediately but slowly, Jhor jatka dhiresey lagega
 
If a person sleeps more than 10 hours a day he/she will end up getting day dreams like u hehehe

Btw, it's lock down NOT curfew. Banks, groceries, medical shops & other essentials will be open

More at :

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/cor...pen-what-is-not-2200136?pfrom=home-topstories
You don't really understand how economies, production (even food production, packaging supplies, distribution etc) and supply chains work do you!

On top of that, you have trouble reading / comprehending, else you will noted the words "for many, money would have run out" 'cos they're not working, thus no money coming in.

Sure, shops etc might be open. But fat lot of good that will do if you don't have money, and/or the shelves are empty because of issues with production / supply chain.

But yeah, carry on deluding yourself.
 
You don't really understand how economies, production (even food production, packaging supplies, distribution etc) and supply chains work do you!

On top of that, you have trouble reading / comprehending, else you will noted the words "for many, money would have run out" 'cos they're not working, thus no money coming in.

Sure, shops etc might be open. But fat lot of good that will do if you don't have money, and/or the shelves are empty because of issues with production / supply chain.

But yeah, carry on deluding yourself.


When you don't have idea on any subject it's better to keep quiet rather than pretending to be an expert & then getting embarrassed lol hehe


For daily wage workers every state govt is announcing money packages apart from free ration for these 21 days !


Delhi state to give Rs 5000 to daily wage ppl

Source : https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.ec...-arvind-kejriwal/amp_articleshow/74794380.cms

Telangana state to give Rs 1500 plus ration of free rice

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/tela...to-be-supplied-for-each-white-ration-card/amp


]Andhra Pradesh state govt. to give free ration of rice, pulses (daal) along with Rs 1000 for daily wage earners & poor ppl

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....suspended-free-ration-poor-1658533-2020-03-22

Tamil nadu govt to give free ration plus Rs 1000

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.ti...u-to-get-rs-1000/amp_articleshow/74787164.cms


I can go on & on as every state is looking after poor ppl

This is India boss not pakistan where the prime minister says 'I have no money to give to poor & hence I can't impose lockdown' lol
 
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You don't really understand how economies, production (even food production, packaging supplies, distribution etc) and supply chains work do you!

On top of that, you have trouble reading / comprehending, else you will noted the words "for many, money would have run out" 'cos they're not working, thus no money coming in.

Sure, shops etc might be open. But fat lot of good that will do if you don't have money, and/or the shelves are empty because of issues with production / supply chain.

But yeah, carry on deluding yourself.


Even India with strict lockdown of 21 days he has 70% chance to reduce the new cases not 100% , then imagine situation in countries without lockdown !
Reduction of human to human contact is the only way to fight this disease
 
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Please dont compare this preventive measure with the siege of Kashmir. I appreciate that people want to present it as a divine punishment for the wrong that was done to Kashmir but this punishment isnt enough YET. I and all the oppressed and humiliated Kashmiris pray that it be enough for what has been done to us over the past decades.

Now, Dont sit in your priviliged positions and look at me as if i am being cruel about it. Experience what we have experienced and the lines of morality will blurry for you as well. If it consumes us as well, let it happen. We simply dont care about anything anymore.

May those who looked out for us and never left our side be protected from this incredible predicament. Ameen.
 
When you don't have idea on any subject it's better to keep quiet rather than pretending to be an expert & then getting embarrassed lol hehe


For daily wage workers every state govt is announcing money packages apart from free ration for these 21 days !


Delhi state to give Rs 5000 to daily wage ppl

Source : https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.ec...-arvind-kejriwal/amp_articleshow/74794380.cms

Telangana state to give Rs 1500 plus ration of free rice

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/tela...to-be-supplied-for-each-white-ration-card/amp


]Andhra Pradesh state govt. to give free ration of rice, pulses (daal) along with Rs 1000 for daily wage earners & poor ppl

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....suspended-free-ration-poor-1658533-2020-03-22

Tamil nadu govt to give free ration plus Rs 1000

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.ti...u-to-get-rs-1000/amp_articleshow/74787164.cms


I can go on & on as every state is looking after poor ppl

This is India boss not pakistan where the prime minister says 'I have no money to give to poor & hence I can't impose lockdown' lol
I am a UK citizen living in the UK. And you're comparing the situation of the poor in India with those of us in the UK? :facepalm:

The situation is going to get bad, very bad, here in the UK. But that is nothing to how bad it's going to get for the unfortunate poor in places like India, Pakistan etc.

So stop chest thumping.
 
Even India with strict lockdown of 21 days he has 70% chance to reduce the new cases not 100% , then imagine situation in countries without lockdown !
Reduction of human to human contact is the only way to fight this disease
We have lockdown here in the UK. It's still going to get bad, very bad. But nothing in comparison to places like India, Pakistan etc.
 
As I said , intelligence and wisdom is definitely above par when there is an overt concern for economy in times of survival with people about to die on the streets.
You really are completely missing the point.
Not your fault I guess. Ignorance is the real reason.

OK let me explain it in simple terms that you can understand:

For there to be food and medicines on the shelves, pharmacies, hospitals etc, they need to brought to the stores / pharmacies / hospitals. That means the transport, warehousing and delivery infrastructure needs to be functioning.

For the medicines and foods to be transported to the stores / pharmacies / hospitals, they need to be produced in factories / production facilities. Which also requires workers to be working in those facilities.

The production facilities require source materials, plus also the packaging (bottles, cardboard, plastic containers, and every other kind of packaging material)

The medicines and medicine/food packaging materials also requires components/supplies, manufacturing facilities, workers etc.

and so on down the line .... it's called the "supply chain"

and taken all of the above together is called "the economy".

Hopefully now you will understand the concept of keeping aspects of the economy going.
 
You really are completely missing the point.
Not your fault I guess. Ignorance is the real reason.

OK let me explain it in simple terms that you can understand:

For there to be food and medicines on the shelves, pharmacies, hospitals etc, they need to brought to the stores / pharmacies / hospitals. That means the transport, warehousing and delivery infrastructure needs to be functioning.

For the medicines and foods to be transported to the stores / pharmacies / hospitals, they need to be produced in factories / production facilities. Which also requires workers to be working in those facilities.

The production facilities require source materials, plus also the packaging (bottles, cardboard, plastic containers, and every other kind of packaging material)

The medicines and medicine/food packaging materials also requires components/supplies, manufacturing facilities, workers etc.

and so on down the line .... it's called the "supply chain"

and taken all of the above together is called "the economy".

Hopefully now you will understand the concept of keeping aspects of the economy going.

And where did you see I deny that scenario? What is being missed is in a disruption like this we won't have a perfect solution. Govt has to make hard choices and we will all have sufferings. In these times the Government has to ensure that the supply chain has an alternative way to deliver the essential products at door step and that is the ask here. If they are not doing it, they deserve criticism but point to be noted it won't be as seamless as normal times.

What needs to be understood is that there willl be an impact in economy , every individual will suffer but there is no alternative to this immediate suffering at this point. This is the picture across the globe, developed or developing society notwithstanding. Everybody has miscalculated the impact initially and then taking up severely stringent measures. We are all collateral here and this can't be avoided at this time.
 
Please dont compare this preventive measure with the siege of Kashmir. I appreciate that people want to present it as a divine punishment for the wrong that was done to Kashmir but this punishment isnt enough YET. I and all the oppressed and humiliated Kashmiris pray that it be enough for what has been done to us over the past decades.

Now, Dont sit in your priviliged positions and look at me as if i am being cruel about it. Experience what we have experienced and the lines of morality will blurry for you as well. If it consumes us as well, let it happen. We simply dont care about anything anymore.

May those who looked out for us and never left our side be protected from this incredible predicament. Ameen.
You are actually right. Current situation in India is nothing in front of what you guys have been facing for the past few months. There was no motivational speeches from our Prime Minister for you guys. Also correct me if I am wrong he didn't give any financial package to Kashmiris. They were not encouraged to use their high speed internet connections for online transactions. No bollywood celebrity came forward to motivate you. In short, nobody thought about you and they are all in the same situation now. :inti
 
I am a UK citizen living in the UK. And you're comparing the situation of the poor in India with those of us in the UK? :facepalm:

The situation is going to get bad, very bad, here in the UK. But that is nothing to how bad it's going to get for the unfortunate poor in places like India, Pakistan etc.

So stop chest thumping.

Saying and actually giving money to poor people are two different things. Half of the money will not reach poor people in India. Let him chest thump. He is new to India and Indian system it seems. :inti
 
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