Mandatory family planning for Muslims is a must for national security, says Shiv Sena

[hafeezrocks]

The Shiv Sena on Monday advocated a compulsory family planning programme for Muslims to ensure stability in the country and maintain national security. In an editorial in its mouthpiece Saamana, the party linked a rise in Muslim population to “unrest in the country and challenges to national security”.

The editorial cited a Border Security Force report to the Union Home Ministry that allegedly expresses concerns about an unexpected rise in Muslim population along the border with Pakistan in Rajasthan’s Jaisalmer. “The population of Indian Muslims is burgeoning at the speed of the bullet train, and enforcing family planning [on them] is the only solution,” the Bharatiya Janata Party ally claimed.

The national president of the BJP keeps making speeches about how he will remove illegal citizens from India and drive out intruders, but what about the ‘green invaders’ at the border in Rajasthan?” the Shiv Sena asked.

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/mum...ilisation-of-muslims/articleshow/66929188.cms

https://scroll.in/latest/904438/man...s-a-must-for-national-security-says-shiv-sena

Demands are for compulsory sterilisation of Muslims.

Rising Muslim population is linked to growing unrest and threat to National Security in India.

The Border Security Force along the Rajasthan Border has shown concerns about the unexpected rise of Muslim population and growing extremism among them, also suspecting the Muslims living in nearby villages to provide information related to military movements to elements across the border.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

What the hell

 

[Rafa]

Indian Muslims are secret agents of Pakistan so it's obvious why they are always under suspicion.

 

[IMMY69]

We're living in a world where extreme nationalism is on the rise.

But I've always maintained that such extreme views are usually held by people with high insecurity.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Right now, the conditions are ripe for rise of a Hitler like figure in India. I mean have they learned nothing from the history? Compulsory sterilisation? Seriously?

 

[BlackShadow]

Shiv Sena dreams of a Chinese style control of Muslim population in India. Idiots.

Majority of the Muslims I know are peaceful, and certainly not a threat to India's national security.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Right now, the conditions are ripe for rise of a Hitler like figure in India. I mean have they learned nothing from the history? Compulsory sterilisation? Seriously?

There is an international conspiracy hatched by christians and muslims to hoist a half christian half muslim rahul gandhi aka raul vinci aka ghulam rasool as the prime minister instead of the full hindu Modi ji. the hindu intifada is still in its infancy, but mark my words, we, the hindu resistance, will overthrow the western copied constitution and establish the rule of Bhagwan ji and banish the munafiq hindus, the commies and convent educated traitors from this holyland.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Finally it is becoming clear why India has always had trouble with overpopulation and lack of family planning. It was the Muslim population breeding like rabbits, while the rest of India's beleaguered majority suffered in silence or emigrated to West Indies, Uganda, US, Britain, Australia etc.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

There is an international conspiracy hatched by christians and muslims to hoist a half christian half muslim rahul gandhi aka raul vinci aka ghulam rasool as the prime minister instead of the full hindu Modi ji. the hindu intifada is still in its infancy, but mark my words, we, the hindu resistance, will overthrow the western copied constitution and establish the rule of Bhagwan ji and banish the munafiq hindus, the commies and convent educated traitors from this holyland.

And when ppl will criticise those rules of ‘bhagwan ji’ we’ll here from some commentators how Hinduism isn’t some monolithic ideology and that there is no universal jurisprudence that can be used to marginalise the minorities. After all, some ppl have suggested that even Muslims of India are Hindu by definition since they live in HINDUstan and can only be considered Muslims if they resist to identify themselves as Hindus.
It’s very convenient.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

And I don’t mean to hurt anyone’s religious sentiments here. So my apologies if it my comment has that affect.

 

[enkidu_]

Shiv Sena dreams of a Chinese style control of Muslim population in India. Idiots.

Majority of the Muslims I know are peaceful, and certainly not a threat to India's national security.

Schrodinger's Hindu nationalist

>do I applaud China for doing what my people fantasizes about

>do I bash China because of CPEC/closeness to Pak, by bringing it randomly on a Pak forum

Good to know that the majority of Muslims you know are peaceful and certainly haven't ever heard of stuff like tawhid, jihad, destroying the idols, eating the cow etc as the majority of your Hindu nationalist friends haven't ever heard of Akhand Bharat either.

 

[Yossarian]

Indians appear to have short memories considering that India's tried this before already

In 1976, More Than 6 Million Men in India Were Coerced into Sterilization

Few people know about India’s monstrous attempt to sidestep an ‘overpopulation apocalypse’

The loudspeakers began blaring at 3 a.m. on November 24, 1976, in the rural village of Uttawar, 50 miles south of New Delhi. When 34-year-old Mohammad Yaqoob heard hooves approaching, he huddled with eight villagers in their compounds. It was the ghoda police (policemen on horses), warning them of the consequences of noncompliance.

Sterilization was no longer a choice — it was a mandate.

Every man over the age of 15 was directed to assemble at a high school on the main road. For the past year, senior government administrators and police officers had been attempting to convince male villagers with more than two children to get a vasectomy. But in a country where being a man was defined by his virility, sterilization was a tough sell. Numerous misconceptions associated with vasectomies didn’t help. Some people believed the procedure caused death on the operating table; others thought they’d lose weight — or worse, their sex drives. To combat these fears, posters that extolled the pragmatism of family planning were hung throughout the village. Their messages read: “With one, two or three kids, you’ll have a happy house. Fewer kids means more food for each. Greater the number, more the hunger.”


https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story...-men-in-india-were-coerced-into-sterilization

Back in Uttawar, after realizing it was no longer a matter of choice, Yaqoob reached the high school by 8.30 a.m., where close to 800 of his male countrymen were herded into buses like cattle. The buses took them to a government hospital. One by one, almost 250 of them, including Yaqoob, were given a vasectomy. “Some who were sterilized had no children,” he says, adding that 20 died after being sterilized.

An astonishing 6.2 million Indian men were sterilised in just a year, which was "15 times the number of people sterilised by the Nazis", according to science journalist Mara Hvistendahl. Two thousand men died from botched operations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-30040790

“The villagers of Uttawar were shaken from their sleep by loudspeakers ordering the menfolk—all above 15—to assemble at the bus-stop on the main Nuh-Hodol road. When they emerged, the found the whole village surrounded by the police. With the menfolk on the road, the police went into the village to see if anyone was hiding…as the villagers tell it, the men on the road were sorted into eligible cases. . . and they were taken from there to clinics to be sterilized.”

https://www.pop.org/a-once-and-future-tragedy-indias-sterilization-campaign-39-years-later/

 

[troodon]

Mandatory family planning is needed for all religions. Not just Muslims.

People who are stuck in poverty tend to have tons of kids. Most Muslims from lower strata of the society(the ones into laborer jobs, tailoring jobs...) all have at least 4 or 5 kids. Compare them with the rich folk from the same Muslim religion, they will not have more than 3 kids.

Religious beliefs do play a role in having more kids. Catholics in both North and SOuth America also have lots of kids compared to others. Same with religious Muslims.

 

[slipcatch]

Mandatory family planning is needed for all religions. Not just Muslims.

People who are stuck in poverty tend to have tons of kids. Most Muslims from lower strata of the society(the ones into laborer jobs, tailoring jobs...) all have at least 4 or 5 kids. Compare them with the rich folk from the same Muslim religion, they will not have more than 3 kids.

Religious beliefs do play a role in having more kids. Catholics in both North and SOuth America also have lots of kids compared to others. Same with religious Muslims.

And do you think the radicalized leader made that statement because the radicalized leader care about India’s economy?

 

[troodon]

And do you think the radicalized leader made that statement because the radicalized leader care about India’s economy?

Its vote bank politics.

Shivsena or BJP or Congress or AAP or any other taklu party do not care about economy. They only care about pandering to their vote bank.

Its almost 2019 and we still have to explain to the people the benefits of less children Everyone has mobile phones, they know what is going on in the world, yet they fall for religious beliefs and age old rotten thinking and have loads of kids.

 

[srh]

what is the guarantee that a born hindu will remain a hindu all his/her life and will not become a muslim?

 

[troodon]

what is the guarantee that a born hindu will remain a hindu all his/her life and will not become a muslim?

The logic is, there will always be converts, but out of 100, if 4 or 5 convert, its still 95 extra votes for Shiv Sena. Its as simple as that.

 

[PakLFC]

Why only Muslims? Surely the same should apply to all communities.

 

[gazza619]

So sick views

 

[slipcatch]

C'mon people, it ain't that bad, since they aren't at same level as Taliban. lol

Sad to see the over 800 million people are scared of 200 million minority.

 

[pmahones]

Mandatory family planning is necessary IMO for all of India regardless of religion or ethnicity. Period

 

[TM Riddle]

There is an international conspiracy hatched by christians and muslims to hoist a half christian half muslim rahul gandhi aka raul vinci aka ghulam rasool as the prime minister instead of the full hindu Modi ji. the hindu intifada is still in its infancy, but mark my words, we, the hindu resistance, will overthrow the western copied constitution and establish the rule of Bhagwan ji and banish the munafiq hindus, the commies and convent educated traitors from this holyland.

He's a Dattatreya brahman FYI.

 

[humzy]

Religious beliefs do play a role in having more kids. Catholics in both North and SOuth America also have lots of kids compared to others. Same with religious Muslims.

Idiotic post, prove it. And when you cant prove it come back and apologise for being so dumb.

 

[BlackShadow]

Schrodinger's Hindu nationalist

>do I applaud China for doing what my people fantasizes about

>do I bash China because of CPEC/closeness to Pak, by bringing it randomly on a Pak forum

Good to know that the majority of Muslims you know are peaceful and certainly haven't ever heard of stuff like tawhid, jihad, destroying the idols, eating the cow etc as the majority of your Hindu nationalist friends haven't ever heard of Akhand Bharat either.

There lies the problem. Your idea of a Hindu nationalist is all about what you hear in media and that's sad given how the Muslim world suffers from a similar portrayal, on a global scale! I think we have had this conversation before, but let me reiterate that some idiots in Shiv Sena or Bajrang Dal don't represent a Hindu nationalist, just like Taliban or ISIS don't represent an average Muslim.

A true Hindu nationalist sees Muslims (even Pakistanis) as their own brothers and all they desire is a ghar wapsi to our culture and more importantly, to the one true Bhagwan Ji.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Let's not become another China.

 

[jagatk]

He's a Dattatreya brahman FYI.

I didn't want to get involved in this but how is a guy whose grandfather was a parsi end up a brahmin? All caste nonsense as far as I am aware is patriarchal.

 

[TM Riddle]

I didn't want to get involved in this but how is a guy whose grandfather was a parsi end up a brahmin? All caste nonsense as far as I am aware is patriarchal.

Exactly.

 

[jagatk]

Let's not become another China.

Given much of our problems stem from overpopulation it isn't actually a bad solution just make no government or any other benefits for anyone with more than 2 kids.

 

[jagatk]

Exactly.

What exactly?

 

[TM Riddle]

What exactly?

My earlier post was a dig at Rahul Gandhi's wannabe Hindu antics.

 

[jagatk]

My earlier post was a dig at Rahul Gandhi's wannabe Hindu antics.

K, didn't get that earlier.

 

[Salma_T]

C'mon people, it ain't that bad, since they aren't at same level as Taliban. lol

Sad to see the over 800 million people are scared of 200 million minority.

Same problem in the west there are 500k Muslims in Australia but they will overrun the country and convert 23.5 million politics of fear is a funny thing!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mandatory family planning is needed for all indians.

 

[Varun]

Mandatory family planning is needed for all indians.

All of us are under the replacement rate. All of us, except...guess who?

BIMARU.

Exactly. I don't care what religion they are, build a wall around them and ask them to stop multiplying pronto.

 

[CricketCartoons]

All of us are under the replacement rate. All of us, except...guess who?

BIMARU.

Exactly. I don't care what religion they are, build a wall around them and ask them to stop multiplying pronto.

Educated and resourceful people should have 3-4 kids. Waste of education when they impart their collective wisdom to a single child only. The poor should not have more than 2, as we need a steady supply of cheap labour, but too much of them embarrasses us when we face pakistanis online and they bring up poverty stats.

 

[Varun]

Educated and resourceful people should have 3-4 kids.

Quality over quantity, honey bun. The cheap labour can always come from across the Indo - Bangladesh border fence, aka yourself.

 

[jagatk]

All of us are under the replacement rate. All of us, except...guess who?

BIMARU.

Exactly. I don't care what religion they are, build a wall around them and ask them to stop multiplying pronto.

Pakistanis want Kashmir I say give them Kashmir if they are willing to take UP and Bihar with it.

 

[TM Riddle]

India would have been a suppa power by 2020 had BIMARU states didn't exist.

Makes me ashamed of myself.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shiv Sena is free to say whatever they want in a secular country like India.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Quality over quantity, honey bun. The cheap labour can always come from across the Indo - Bangladesh border fence, aka yourself.

Why not quality with quantity. Will the quality of kids dilute if the educated urbane sophisticated people like you have 3-4 kids.

I never had to jump the border fence, it was your country which invited me.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Pakistanis want Kashmir I say give them Kashmir if they are willing to take UP and Bihar with it.

)))

Mouth-watering offer.

 

[CricketCartoons]

)))

Mouth-watering offer.

Probably she meant transfer of the people from UP/Bihar, not the landmass itself.

 

[Hitman]

Shiv Sena, the mouthpiece of the whole of India

They are considered clowns, and rightly despised to the core by the whole of India outside Maharashtra.

 

[jagatk]

)))

Mouth-watering offer.

Just the people not the land. It's not the geography that's a problem for us.

 

[aukhan]

Just the people not the land. It's not the geography that's a problem for us.

No thanks. We have enough of these folks already. I humbly decline this offer.

 

[the Great Khan]

forced sterilisation? the fact he even made this comment and got away with it says alot. I think India seems to be heading towards a very dark place. Such statements are not made willy nilly.

 

[Varun]

Shiv Sena, the mouthpiece of the whole of India

They are considered clowns, and rightly despised to the core by the whole of India outside Maharashtra.

Even in Maharashtra, when was the last time they were in power proper?

Not this century.

 

[Hitman]

forced sterilisation? the fact he even made this comment and got away with it says alot. I think India seems to be heading towards a very dark place. Such statements are not made willy nilly.

Sanjay Gandhi actually put that into practice in the 70's. I hope you've heard of that famous goon, the younger son of Indira Gandhi, the heir apparent to his mother, who was also known as the Uncrowned Prince of India during his days.

 

[enkidu_]

A true Hindu nationalist sees Muslims (even Pakistanis) as their own brothers and all they desire is a ghar wapsi to our culture and more importantly, to the one true Bhagwan Ji.

So what are your numbers for ghar wapsi ? There are probably more converts from "Hinduism" to Islam, and by Zakir Naik alone, in one week than there have ever been Muslims of India "going back" to "Hinduism".

But if you want ghar wapsi for Muslims you shouldn't blame them either if they want to bring you Hindus to the only right path, through different means too (missionary work, love jihad, etc).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mandatory family planning is needed for all religions. Not just Muslims.

Why only Muslims? Surely the same should apply to all communities.

Mandatory family planning is necessary IMO for all of India regardless of religion or ethnicity. Period

Mandatory family planning is needed for all indians.

Well that is the point, the call is not for all communities, it is specifically to be applied against the Muslim community, and it is one which has been getting louder by the year.

 

[jagatk]

forced sterilisation? the fact he even made this comment and got away with it says alot. I think India seems to be heading towards a very dark place. Such statements are not made willy nilly.

What does got away mean? You give an idiot a voice and he is going to spout rubbish, you cannot convict anyone for being stupid.

 

[jagatk]

Well that is the point, the call is not for all communities, it is specifically to be applied against the Muslim community, and it is one which has been getting louder by the year.

When was it last heard do please tell us, since you think that it is getting louder?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

“The central government must take steps now to implement the Uniform Civil Code and ensure that the slogan of ‘hum do, hamare do’ is applicable to people of all communities,” Adityanath said while speaking to The Indian Express. He went on to assert that the increase in population of Muslims “on such a high rate” poses a “dangerous situation”, and would lead the country towards a “population imbalance”.

“If the Muslim population continues to increase at the same rate, there will be a situation of population imbalance… after 50 years, which may repeat the unfortunate tragedies like division of the country (1947) and migration of Hindus and Sikhs from Kashmir (1990),” he claimed, and added that both the incidents were “results of population imbalance”.

Sakshi Maharaj called out to the Muslim clerics to “have a larger heart”. “They (clerics) should also feel concerned and issue ‘fatwas’ like they did for the celebration of Independence Day at religious educational institutions to show their affection for the nation,” said the leader who had, in the past, exhorted Hindu families to “give birth to at least four children to protect Hinduism”.

There's at least two quotes on the same theme, one of them a govt minister.

 

[the Great Khan]

What does got away mean? You give an idiot a voice and he is going to spout rubbish, you cannot convict anyone for being stupid.

Unfortunately these idiots now have sympathisers in govt and goons on the streets..although they may not be able to get away with it like Jnr Gandhi did in the 70's as [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] mentioned.

 

[jagatk]

There's at least two quotes on the same theme, one of them a govt minister.

Neither says anything about family planning or forced sterilization, Both are UP idiots stating opinions even if bigoted opinions they are not calling for actions. And 1 atleast if iirc my census facts is correct, not the nonsense about dangerous situation but the underlying point that Muslims do have a higher growth rate than hindus or for that matter anyone else.

 

[jagatk]

Unfortunately these idiots now have sympathisers in govt and goons on the streets..although they may not be able to get away with it like Jnr Gandhi did in the 70's as [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] mentioned.

I never thought mulayam and his son were decent politicians but by god the new UP joker makes them look like Patel or Vajpayee.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I never thought mulayam and his son were decent politicians but by god the new UP joker makes them look like Patel or Vajpayee.

Mulayam's son is a decent guy and is someone to look for the future.

 

[jagatk]

Mulayam's son is a decent guy and is someone to look for the future.

He looks decent and less shifty than his father but is cut from the same cloth, talks a good game but is as corrupt as his old man.

 

[CricketCartoons]

He looks decent and less shifty than his father but is cut from the same cloth, talks a good game but is as corrupt as his old man.

What is the corruption he is involved in?

 

[Yossarian]

Mandatory family planning is needed for all religions. Not just Muslims

I suggest you read post #12 above

 

[Yossarian]

Shiv Sena is free to say whatever they want in a secular country like India.

Unless the point being made, and the targets of the message being conveyed, has repercussions as per post #12 above. Please read it.

 

[Yossarian]

Mandatory family planning is necessary IMO for all of India regardless of religion or ethnicity. Period

Mandatory family planning is needed for all indians.

I suggest Indians need to be very careful with talk about mandatory family planning. Don't forget India's tried this before. I suggest you read post #12 above to understand the consequences of that attempt.

 

[jagatk]

I suggest Indians need to be very careful with talk about mandatory family planning. Don't forget India's tried this before. I suggest you read post #12 above to understand the consequences of that attempt.

Acts done by a tin pot under what was basically a 2 year dictatorship and what people want as a proper policy under an elected democratic government with its oversight mechanism are 2 different things. You need to first understand the situations and then point to the post.

 

[jagatk]

What is the corruption he is involved in?

Same as his father, he got elected on change especially from his father's goondaraj days and mayawati's let's build statues nonsense. There was little change as usual gundaraaj and corruption seen under his father returned with his government.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Same as his father, he got elected on change especially from his father's goondaraj days and mayawati's let's build statues nonsense. There was little change as usual gundaraaj and corruption seen under his father returned with his government.

so you don't have anything concrete against him..by your logic every prime minister has been corrupt, as there is always corruption happening.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Love the way my fellow Pakistanis give so much importance to Shiv Sena where as in India they are fighting for their survival since Bal Thakrey's death.

No one cares what SS has to say anyway.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Love the way my fellow Pakistanis give so much importance to Shiv Sena where as in India they are fighting for their survival since Bal Thakrey's death.

No one cares what SS has to say anyway.

They openly say what many Hindus in India feel?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

They openly say what many Hindus in India feel?

So does many muslims in Pakistan openly feels what Jihadis and likes of Hafeez saeed has to say. But it means nothing. Shiv Sena is not running the country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So does many muslims in Pakistan openly feels what Jihadis and likes of Hafeez saeed has to say. But it means nothing. Shiv Sena is not running the country.

It's actually the opposite, Hindu extremist party IS running the country, as a proud RSS supporter you shouldn't feel apologetic about it.

 

[JaDed]

It's actually the opposite, Hindu extremist party IS running the country, as a proud RSS supporter you shouldn't feel apologetic about it.

It's a topic for different thread, but there are no center or leftist parties having any major presence in Pakistan,it's already been discussed in different threads how.all.Pakistani parties would be Right wing in most.major democracies.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So does many muslims in Pakistan openly feels what Jihadis and likes of Hafeez saeed has to say. But it means nothing. Shiv Sena is not running the country.

If you mean Kashmiri's should be free sure they do. Shiv Sena are anti Muslims so does this mean most Hindus are too?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

It's actually the opposite, Hindu extremist party IS running the country, as a proud RSS supporter you shouldn't feel apologetic about it.

So just bcoz you say it, BJP becomes extremist party is it?

Focus on your own country. Let Indians decide whom they want to run theirs.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

If you mean Kashmiri's should be free sure they do. Shiv Sena are anti Muslims so does this mean most Hindus are too?

Kashmir is India's internal matter and Pak has no business in it anyway. But this topic is not about Kashmir, so lets stick on topic, shall we?

Shiv Sena are anti muslims..agreed. But they have only 18 seats in Lok Sabha out of 545. So they have no say on India's national matters and most hindus don't agree with what they say. I can give you counter arguement. AIMIM (Muslim party run by Owaisi) has 35 seats i.e more representation than Shiv Sena. Now we all know Owaisi and his brother openly abuses hindus on daily basis. Does this mean most muslims in India agrees to AIMIM?

Khan Sahaab...dont try too hard. First try to gain some knowledge on the topic sir

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kashmir is India's internal matter and Pak has no business in it anyway. But this topic is not about Kashmir, so lets stick on topic, shall we?

Shiv Sena are anti muslims..agreed. But they have only 18 seats in Lok Sabha out of 545. So they have no say on India's national matters and most hindus don't agree with what they say. I can give you counter arguement. AIMIM (Muslim party run by Owaisi) has 35 seats i.e more representation than Shiv Sena. Now we all know Owaisi and his brother openly abuses hindus on daily basis. Does this mean most muslims in India agrees to AIMIM?

Khan Sahaab...dont try too hard. First try to gain some knowledge on the topic sir

It's disputed land under International law, if you're confused about this then no wonder you're not sure what the saffron extremists think.

You compared them to what you believe are extremists, so thefore you believe SS are Hindu extremists? It's good Indian dont take these people seriously...if that's what you claim.

 

[pmahones]

I suggest Indians need to be very careful with talk about mandatory family planning. Don't forget India's tried this before. I suggest you read post #12 above to understand the consequences of that attempt.

What was the consequence of that effort? are you referring to the botched procedures? Those can be addressed.

Mandatory family doesn't have to mean rounding people up at random and doing back room hatchet jobs.

the goal of limiting population growth can be achieved in many ways.

eg. make the cost of a second kid extremely expensive every of the way. Most of India and Indians live on govt subsidies. Impose a second kid tax and take away all subsidies and make people think twice about punching out a second kid.

 

[jagatk]

so you don't have anything concrete against him..by your logic every prime minister has been corrupt, as there is always corruption happening.

The goondaraj which mayawati managed to rein in and which was a big reason why mulayam lost returned under akhilesh. He wasn't named in corruption directly but once you see the thugs return and rule of law take a back seat, corruption is really difficult to contain.

 

[jagatk]

It's disputed land under International law, if you're confused about this then no wonder you're not sure what the saffron extremists think.

You compared them to what you believe are extremists, so thefore you believe SS are Hindu extremists? It's good Indian dont take these people seriously...if that's what you claim.

Please provide the basis for this, under what law is it disputed? Even the un resolution Pakistan harps about does not provide any legal basis for anything.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

It's disputed land under International law, if you're confused about this then no wonder you're not sure what the saffron extremists think.

You compared them to what you believe are extremists, so thefore you believe SS are Hindu extremists? It's good Indian dont take these people seriously...if that's what you claim.

Again you are mixing topics and in a jest unsure what you are writing. BJP is a saffron party but others like Congress, leftists, communists arent. Infact they hate BJP and Saffronization. But they all believe Kashmir to be an integral part of India. Even Owaisi, who is a vocal critic of hindus, regularly bash Pakistan when they try to interfere in Kashmir.

So these hindu muslims divide in India has no bearings on Kashmir. All unanimously believe kashmir is a part of India.

As far as international law is concerned, let them ask India to remove their military from Kashmir. I mean Pakistan in every UN conference moan about Kashmir Kashmir Kashmir...but till today no international community has ever taken those seriously. If international community willing to discuss Kashmir issue...India will be happy to answer. But we simply cant allow Pakistan to interfere in J&K local issues...no way..lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Please provide the basis for this, under what law is it disputed? Even the un resolution Pakistan harps about does not provide any legal basis for anything.

The UN resolution which calls for a plebicite.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again you are mixing topics and in a jest unsure what you are writing. BJP is a saffron party but others like Congress, leftists, communists arent. Infact they hate BJP and Saffronization. But they all believe Kashmir to be an integral part of India. Even Owaisi, who is a vocal critic of hindus, regularly bash Pakistan when they try to interfere in Kashmir.

So these hindu muslims divide in India has no bearings on Kashmir. All unanimously believe kashmir is a part of India.

As far as international law is concerned, let them ask India to remove their military from Kashmir. I mean Pakistan in every UN conference moan about Kashmir Kashmir Kashmir...but till today no international community has ever taken those seriously. If international community willing to discuss Kashmir issue...India will be happy to answer. But we simply cant allow Pakistan to interfere in J&K local issues...no way..lol.

Are Shiv Sena extremists in your view?