Match thread - Pak XI v Rest of Pak (26-29 oct)

[Gasherbrum]

BD - he is the nephew of this other guy most haven't heard much about.

 

[Big Daddy]

BD - he is the nephew of this other guy most haven't heard much about.

I KNOW WHOSE NEPHIEW HE IS , HE WENT TO THE SAME SCHOOL AS I .
FAISAL , HASAN AND DANESH ARE FROM THE SAME BATCH .... ST PATRICKS HIGH SCHOOL

 

[Zaman Park]

Bazid Khan got hit on the head by Sami in the beginning of his innings. He kept playing but felt little dizzy and had a head ache. He wanted to keep playing but was told to go out and rest, as they didn't want to risk anything. He is feeling fine and will come out and bat tomorrow.

 

[Gasherbrum]

thank you ZP for the update. did you speak to bazid? glad to hear he's fine, good chance for him to score big and book a place in the team ahead of salman/taufeeq/imran.

 

[Amoeba]

Don't think that Shoaib has done enough to move from the possibles to probables. The fact that both Afridi and Shabbir played for the Pakistan XI highlights that this is the current favoured team. The selection is not based on getting the best Pak batters to face the best Pak bowlers or as preparation to face Harmy and Flintoff as has been suggested. If that was the case then Shabbir, with his height and action, would have been in the ROP team as he closely matches Harmy in Stature and Super Freddie for his throwing skills.

Therefore merely being competent or bowling 20 overs is not enough to force a player from the fringes into the team. With Abdul Razzaq out it opens up another opportunity. Personally I think at this stage the selectors are probably thinking of the following team:-

Butt
Malik
Younis
Inzy
Yousuf
Afridi
Kamal
Sami
Rana
Shabbir
Kaneria

Suddenly doesn't look at all strong enough with poor or inexperienced openers and a longish tail.

 

[Big Daddy]

Don't think that Shoaib has done enough to move from the possibles to probables. The fact that both Afridi and Shabbir played for the Pakistan XI highlights that this is the current favoured team. The selection is not based on getting the best Pak batters to face the best Pak bowlers or as preparation to face Harmy and Flintoff as has been suggested. If that was the case then Shabbir, with his height and action, would have been in the ROP team as he closely matches Harmy in Stature and Super Freddie for his throwing skills.

Therefore merely being competent or bowling 20 overs is not enough to force a player from the fringes into the team. With Abdul Razzaq out it opens up another opportunity. Personally I think at this stage the selectors are probably thinking of the following team:-

Butt
Malik
Younis
Inzy
Yousuf
Afridi
Kamal
Sami
Rana
Shabbir
Kaneria

Suddenly doesn't look at all strong enough with poor or inexperienced openers and a longish tail.

I disagree with ur team , selectors wont bet on pace, coz that would mean we would play playing into england's strength , which is pace bowling these days.

 

[Master-P]

If faisal Iqbal keeps on playing the way he is alot of you may be in with a shock, Fasial Iqbal is actially trying to get in the team with his own talent and not With the help of his uncle.

 

[Big Daddy]

If faisal Iqbal keeps on playing the way he is alot of you may be in with a shock, Fasial Iqbal is actially trying to get in the team with his own talent and not With the help of his uncle.

check his first class average and then tell me why he was picked ahead of more seasoned performers . in pakistani culture ,if u have a gold name backing u , then can even be a prime minister . baynazeer bhutto is an example that comes to mind straight up.

 

[Amoeba]

BD
Maybe - alternatively they may pick an extra batter as insurance rather than a third seamer. They would still have Afridi, Kaneria and Malik to bowl spin. The point though is that from the selection of the two teams it is apparent that the Management see Shoaib (and Mushy) as on the fringes of their current team. Certainly not definates. Therefore to gain selection they have to outperform the others. Mushy has done that but simply bowling 20 overs is not good enough at this stage for Shoaib. He is not the man in possession of a place - a fact that some can't seem to get their heads around on this board- therefore he needs a big performance soon.

 

[Gasherbrum]

did he take your place in the St Pats team, BD? is that the reason behind all this resentment?

 

[Big Daddy]

BD
Maybe - alternatively they may pick an extra batter as insurance rather than a third seamer. They would still have Afridi, Kaneria and Malik to bowl spin. The point though is that from the selection of the two teams it is apparent that the Management see Shoaib (and Mushy) as on the fringes of their current team. Certainly not definates. Therefore to gain selection they have to outperform the others. Mushy has done that but simply bowling 20 overs is not good enough at this stage for Shoaib. He is not the man in possession of a place - a fact that some can't seem to get their heads around on this board- therefore he needs a big performance soon.

amoeba
if u take one more batsman , then u sacrifice a bowler , which means u r playing for a draw, this strategy is good in the last test when u r playing to save ur series victory , not at the start . so readdress ur team / strategy

 

[Master-P]

check his first class average and then tell me why he was picked ahead of more seasoned performers . in pakistani culture ,if u have a gold name backing u , then can even be a prime minister . baynazeer bhutto is an example that comes to mind straight up.

That doesn't matter now, all that matters is what he shows woolmer now, and at the moment he is showing some form that alot of other batsmen havn't done so far.

 

[Big Daddy]

That doesn't matter now, all that matters is what he shows woolmer now, and at the moment he is showing some form that alot of other batsmen havn't done so far.

man u let go of a golden oppertunity
all u had to say was , check maliks or kamal's average and u would have won the argument

 

[Amoeba]

BD,

Not necessarily so. As you said it is likely to be a dustbowl - so how many seamers do you need? Afridi and Kaneria will do the bulk of the bowling with Rana, Sami and Malik providing decent support. Our batting is brittle so it makes good sense to play an extra batter. Also Pakistan are well known to be bad starters - therefore if we can come away from Multan with at least a draw we will be in a very strong position.

Also nothing wrong with playing for a draw if you think you don't have the players to beat the opposition. I actually suggested that we play for a draw against the Aussies last winter. Going in with 5 bowlers at Perth was simply suicide - especially when the 5th bowler is of the quality of Asif or Khalil. Very likely we would have still lost but we may have escaped either Melbourne or Sydney if not both with a draw. Losing 1-0 or 2-0 rather than 3-0 would surely have been better for morale and confidence of a young team.

 

[adi 101]

maybe hasan raza will play instead of butt and afridi will open? either way i think we need raza in the middle order to add stability

 

[J-Essence]

this is such a dead pitch....no wonder seamerzz are not proving anything and batsmen are pilling up all the runs...i think we can expect better from the seamers and less from the batters who performed well.....and for those who didn't score at all like asim and openerss, well they need to figure out why that was as easy as it was gonna get...

 

[DM]

Well bowled Shahid Afridi!!

11 overs 2 for 40 on a batting paradise and taking out Taufeeq and Raza - his strike rate continues to be impressive.

And good bowling by Mohammad Sami too. Akhtar kept it accurate (especially when you consider he bowled 12 more overs than Gul and only conceded one extra run)

Pity Kaneria didn't do anything - but he has youth on his side. And I personally wouldn't get excited at all about Mushy, yes he took 4 wickets, but only after conceding 173 runs and at a likely stage when the players might be wanting to wrap up the innings and hit out. In my book he's a little old to be reintroducing, especially when we have Kaneria and Afridi to bowl spin (and Malik if he plays).

 

[fair_play]

Fantastic on Faisal Iqbal - showing a bit of grit after being down for so long.

Also got a 100 not so long ago, now showing good form.

 

[DM]

Let's see:

Shoaib Malik
Salman Butt
Y Khan
Moyo
Inzi
Shahid Afridi
Asim/Rana
Akmal
Shoaib
Sami
Danish

 

[Big Daddy]

one reason why seamers only bowled one spell could be that they are fasting , hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[desidude]

Here is the situation at this point:

1. It seems like slot # 6 is open again. I thought Asim Kamal was all good for that slot but his form is implying something else. There will be another 3 matches for him to prove his form otherwise based on his current form, Inzi might be forced to chop him from the playing XI.

2. Good news is we have one opener for sure in the form of Malik. The biggest question is who will be the second one?

3. As of right now in the bowling department, Sami, Akhtar and Kaneria have pretty much their places secured. Now this is based on what we have seen in two days of cricket(ofcourse things can change anytime, this is cricket). That means we have 8 batsmen available and and there are 3 more slots, which makes everyone guessing about those 3.

Here is the playing XI looks like as of right now:

1. Shoaib Malik
2. Dont Know (Butt, Bazid,Taufeeq, Imran Farhat are all in contention) Surprise Pick could be Afridi.
3. Younis Khan
4. Yousaf Youhana
5. Inzi
6. Dont Know (Asim Kamal, Bazid, Hasan Raza, Faisal Iqbal, Afridi) On pure form Faisal Iqbal should get the slot.
7.Kamran Akmal
8. Dont Know (Mustaq, Umar Gul, Shabbir are in the race) On form Umar Gul should get the slot but if the wicket is a turner or dusty then it will be Mushy. However, if Mushy is being picked that will certainly take Afridi out of the race from the above slots.
9. Shoaib Akhtar
10. Moh. Sami
11. Danish Kaneria

 

[DM]

Fantastic on Faisal Iqbal - showing a bit of grit after being down for so long.

Also got a 100 not so long ago, now showing good form.

I've always thought he had a chance to make it after seeing him bat, and despite the seeming lack of reaction elsewhere, i was really impressed by what i saw in the warm up games when Pak toured England last time.

 

[Raz]

Well bowled Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Sami. Good performances also from Faisal and Misbah.

 

[DM]

However, if Mushy is being picked that will certainly take Afridi out of the race from the above slots.

True, but I doubt Afridi will be dropped - Afridi's been one of our best bowlers, never mind the fact that he's been batting well and fielding well. I'd personally give him a sure place anyway.

 

[Monsee]

Well bowled Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Sami. Good performances also from Faisal and Misbah.

So was Sami ALSO 'BREATHTAKINGLY BRILLIANT' or what

 

[Raz]

So was Sami ALSO 'BREATHTAKINGLY BRILLIANT' or what

Indeed he was.

 

[i m gr8]

I think Asim Kamal is getting out of the scene for the 1st test match and the competition for 6th Batsmen is getting between Hassan Raza or Faisal Iqbal.

And also none of the openers Taufeeq Umar , Imran Farhat or Salman Butt have done anything so far , So maybe Shahid Afridi may get the opening slot with Shoaib Malik .

 

[Waseem]

Brilliant performance by Yohanna, Iqbal, Afridi and Mushy.

I have heard another rumour that selectors are trying their best to give Hasan Raza another go and i wouldn't be surprise if the following team plays:

Malik
Afridi
Younis
Inzi
Yohanna
Hasan Raza
Akmal
Sami
Shoaib
Mushtaq
Kaneria.

I didn't include Mushtaq because i want him to be there but he bowled 32 overs today where Mansoor didn't even bowl one extra over all day, it clearly shows that selectors were very keen to give Mushtaq more chances to prove himself.

 

[deviously~fading~away]

I seriously doubt we will prepare a dust bowl! With Afridi, malik and dani + what it looks from woolmer we will be going for a bangalore type Sporting pitch. Unless the groundman screw up like they did in this practice match.

 

[pakistani pride]

Well done to afridi and faisal. Sami did ok. Dont worry about inzi he will score when it will matter the most !

About Mushy well he shudent come back into the side but Kaneria need to pick up some wickets . ! ! !

 

[Pathan007]

Afridi will cause havoc in Englistan batting line up with the flippers, off break, leg break, googly, dossra, faster one, and soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo on. INSHALLAH

 

[Easa]

I disagree with ur team , selectors wont bet on pace, coz that would mean we would play playing into england's strength , which is pace bowling these days.

yo, you dont even have a keeper

 

[Amjid Javed]

on the flip side expect double tons from faisal iqbal and misbah ul haq against the world class attack of sami/razzaq

) i knew these 2 wud get runs!

 

[nedian21]

its pity to see every PPer excluding Asim from their line up. So what he failed in a side match and isnt in a good form. the truth is HE HAS BEEN PERFORM CONSISTENTLY IN THE REAL TEST MATCHES AT CRITICAL TIMES AND UNDER PRESSURE. this wont do any good to his confidence if he will get an axe on the basis of failing in side matches. I sincerely hope Bob n Inzi will have some intelligence by picking Asim at 6 in the 1st test match. They also should somehow convince Afridi to open as that is the only solution. In any case it is inevitable and he will start opening from 2nd test after our 1st test expected debacle. Mark my words.

this should be 1st test team in my view:

1. Malik
2. Afridi (although i m sure he wont open in 1st test)
3. Yk
4. Inzi
5. Yusuf
6. Asim
7. Kamran
8. Rana
9. Shoaib
10. Umer Gul
11. Kaneria

and i know Sami is also a must although he wont do anything YET AGAIN

 

[Wiji]

I noticed Mohammad Yousuf got 98 off only 110 balls. He looks a much better batsman when he is in that confident mood. I hope he bats like that against England all throughout the series.

 

[Wiji]

I was looking through the scorecard and got reminded of how fiercely competitive it is to get into the Pakistani national team. Being a selector in Pakistan is a real tough job with pressure from all sides. We better hope they select the best possible squad.

 

[Big Daddy]

yo, you dont even have a keeper

here is the team i meantioned

so going on this scale , the team would be , mind u its not my team , but logically it would be

malik
butt/taufeeq/farhat
yk
yoyo
inzi
afridi
akmal
shoaib
sami
kaneria
mushy

i guess there are all indications now on how the wicket will be , a dust bowl!!!!!!

p.s. i dont kno about u guys but this batting lineup to me looks very shabby



now can u see akmal , i had him before also , kamran akmal stands behind the wicket with gloves on , granted is not as loud as moin , but does a decent job. now tell me what made u think that the team i wrote down didnt have a keeper?

 

[kas]

here is the team i meantioned

so going on this scale , the team would be , mind u its not my team , but logically it would be

malik
butt/taufeeq/farhat
yk
yoyo
inzi
afridi
akmal
shoaib
sami
kaneria
mushy

i guess there are all indications now on how the wicket will be , a dust bowl!!!!!!

p.s. i dont kno about u guys but this batting lineup to me looks very shabby



now can u see akmal , i had him before also , kamran akmal stands behind the wicket with gloves on , granted is not as loud as moin , but does a decent job. now tell me what made u think that the team i wrote down didnt have a keeper?

cos u actually wrote kamal instead of kamran but i worked it out u meant akmal

 

[J-Essence]

i m more curious on who will be bowling for pakistan in test matches...naved akhtar sami

 

[zulfiqar]

woah where have I been? Didn't know there's this game going on ^^ What's the word on Shoaib? It seems he bowled 20 overs, more than anyone besides the spinners.. only 1 wicket though. Ne word on his fitness.. sry didn't browse through the 10 pages

 

[kas]

woah where have I been? Didn't know there's this game going on ^^ What's the word on Shoaib? It seems he bowled 20 overs, more than anyone besides the spinners.. only 1 wicket though. Ne word on his fitness.. sry didn't browse through the 10 pages

his fitness seems to be good, he is likely to play

 

[J-Essence]

now the question is who will play between Shabeer & Naveed or if neither will play at all in the first test..

 

[safehands46]

Its hard luck for bazid because it seemed like he was getting comfortable. Overall though, lets see how he does tommorrow.

 

[jalex382]

any score updates? comeon lets hear some comments on team that is aobut to be picked from this squad.

 

[immubhai]

yar, Can anyone please post the Scorecard here. I have looked everywhere for the current score but could not find at the PCB website and cricinnfo.com. I am dying to read the score...please anyone post the website where you are watching the live score?

 

[offstump]

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

 

[Raz]

Its not live but its better than nothing.

 

[immubhai]

Thanks, Offstump,

Kaneria looks off color and so do other bowlers. Good thing is that Mushtaq and Actor both have bowled plenti of overs that tells us that atleast they are match fit and motivated. Beeera, Rana, Asif, Raao, Malik (while bowling), Umar Gul, Mansoor AMjad and Arshad Khan, they all looked pretty ordinary. Maybe it has something more to do than the dead wicket. I am not worried about Inzi's form at all. Inzi always performs like Sachin when it matters. YOYO, Y.K, Malik, they all looked good while batting. I just hope that PCB comes up with a little better wicket in Multan and it wont be the same on which India beaten us last time. It should be lot better than the last test wicket in Multan otherwise all the crowd would go back home and again the dust would only be seeing in Multan..tja!......

 

[Somali Pirate]

Care to share that info with us cause as far as I am concerned, it sure is not public knowledge that Malik has been getting ducks and low scores

Were these games played in a different universe

have a look at the warm up games he played earlier.look at the recent aus a tour test games and odis.

he only scored a good 100 in the second odi game vs aus a.

 

[Somali Pirate]

) i knew these 2 wud get runs!

yeah and somehow faisal iqbal is 'increasing' the pressure on asim and raza)

looking at thef ront page of pp

 

[Somali Pirate]

if faisal iqbal displaces consistent asim(who done good so far in the REAL GAMES) or hasan raza who has done well up to now then the whole set up is frankly a joke.

 

[faz]

shoaib takes 3 early wickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GamBiTT]

if faisal iqbal displaces consistent asim(who done good so far in the REAL GAMES) or hasan raza who has done well up to now then the whole set up is frankly a joke.

Didn't happen man .. Asim Kamal and Hasan Raza in the squad!

 

[Big Daddy]

shoaib 6 overs 3 maidens 6 runs 3 wickets.

eats up afridi , akmal and kamran !!!

what do the haters say now ?

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

 

[Monsee]

have a look at the warm up games he played earlier.look at the recent aus a tour test games and odis.

he only scored a good 100 in the second odi game vs aus a.

Still no ducks and low scores shown as you mentioned...Fabrications I suppose

If you have proof then show it

 

[adi 101]

afridis form is quite worrying now!!! He played in the afro-asian thing and did not make it to double figures in any of the three games if i remember correct. Then in the super series and now in the warmup game.

 

[Monsee]

shoaib 6 overs 3 maidens 6 runs 3 wickets.

eats up afridi , akmal and kamran !!!

what do the haters say now ?

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

[Amjid Mode]Lucky performence in a meaningless game against: a cross batted slogger, an out of Form Great, and a keeper who can barely bat. C*rap I say C*rap[/Amjid Mode Turned Off]

 

[KaSaNoVa_G]

another low score for afridi....

shoaib bowled good.. good to see him in good form now aswell before the series...
salman butt is still batting.. i hope he can make a decent score before the england
series now too...

 

[Amoeba]

shoaib 6 overs 3 maidens 6 runs 3 wickets.

eats up afridi , akmal and kamran !!!

what do the haters say now ?

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

"The haterz" say well done and hopefully he can do the same consistently in the Test match series. Us posters are all on the same team - we want Pakistan to win - just disagree about the best approach and personnel to do that.

Having said that however we cannot read too much into Shoaib taking the wickets of Afridi, Akmal and Kamal in a warm-up game which is meandering to a draw as to his prospects against Strauss, Pieterson & Flintoff.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Don't think that Shoaib has done enough to move from the possibles to probables.
.

He probably has.

 

[Big Daddy]

"The haterz" say well done and hopefully he can do the same consistently in the Test match series. Us posters are all on the same team - we want Pakistan to win - just disagree about the best approach and personnel to do that.

Having said that however we cannot read too much into Shoaib taking the wickets of Afridi, Akmal and Kamal in a warm-up game which is meandering to a draw as to his prospects against Strauss, Pieterson & Flintoff.

man , 3 wickets in 6 overs for 6 runs , on a wicket where bowlers were treated to a buffet run smack feast . even that isnt enuff to melt u ?

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Having said that however we cannot read too much into Shoaib taking the wickets of Afridi, Akmal and Kamal in a warm-up game which is meandering to a draw as to his prospects against Strauss, Pieterson & Flintoff.

) His prospects? And who are we comparing to? Gul ? Asif ? Khalil may be? or even Shabbir ?

When you talk fitness that's fine I can understand but a fit Shoaib compared to these other options in really not a comparison. Sorry but that doesn't make sense and your 'hatred' for him shows up.

 

[ZM]

Akhtar 3-6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gwaaaaaaaaaaan Shoaib
I Always Had Faith In Him

 

[Officer Barbrady]

man , 3 wickets in 6 overs for 6 runs , on a wicket where bowlers were treated to a buffet run smack feast . even that isnt enuff to melt u ?

Nope. You have to understand the history behind the it all.

 

[Amoeba]

) His prospects? And who are we comparing to? Gul ? Asif ? Khalil may be? or even Shabbir ?

When you talk fitness that's fine I can understand but a fit Shoaib compared to these other options in really not a comparison. Sorry but that doesn't make sense and your 'hatred' for him shows up.

Not sure I understand what point you are making. I am not comparing him to anyone - not our other seamers. If you want to say that he is our best seamer then fine that's your opinion. However the point I was making, and it seems that I have to spell it out, is that you can't read too much into a practice game as how the players will fare against the big boys. Take Malik as an example - do we all expect him to flay Flintoff, Harmy & Hoggard to all parts now that he has scored a big hundred in a warm-up game? He may be our best option - but that still doesn't make him an accompolished opener.

 

[umarbeast]

Did anybody notice they added Bazid Khan's 77 to the scorecard??? Must of missed putting it in the first update. Good performance by Bazid Khan and very well done Shoaib Akthar. Can anybody confirm if bowled all the overs in a shorter run up?????

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Not sure I understand what point you are making. I am not comparing him to anyone - not our other seamers. If you want to say that he is our best seamer then fine that's your opinion. However the point I was making, and it seems that I have to spell it out, is that you can't read too much into a practice game as how the players will fare against the big boys. Take Malik as an example - do we all expect him to flay Flintoff, Harmy & Hoggard to all parts now that he has scored a big hundred in a warm-up game? He may be our best option - but that still doesn't make him an accompolished opener.

When we are talking about his chances for selection as was the case in point(which has already happened though) we are quite obviously comparing him to other available options. And in that he remains a very good if not the best option if fit.

Any how seems like Inzamam the captain and Bob Woolmer the coach want him to play the first test.

 

[safehands46]

Did anybody notice they added Bazid Khan's 77 to the scorecard??? Must of missed putting it in the first update. Good performance by Bazid Khan and very well done Shoaib Akthar. Can anybody confirm if bowled all the overs in a shorter run up?????

Bk Chagya.

 

[in_cutter]

[Amjid Mode]Lucky performence in a meaningless game against: a cross batted slogger, an out of Form Great, and a keeper who can barely bat. C*rap I say C*rap[/Amjid Mode Turned Off]

wah wah itni soni excuse

 

[umarbeast]

?? what does Bk Chagya mean????

 

[Officer Barbrady]

it means bazid khan chaa gaya

 

[umarbeast]

Looks like Shoaib will get picked for the first test so all Shoaib Haters can kiss my ass.

 

[Big Mac]

Who cares about form where Afridi is concerned? You can't apply the same standards to Afridi as you would to a human cricketer.

 

[Monsee]

wah wah itni soni excuse

I am learning from the best poster here

 

[Monsee]

Looks like Shoaib will get picked for the first test so all Shoaib Haters can kiss my ass.

Thanks for respecting Ramadan...shows real maturity

BTW, if he pulls short in the first innings, I would expect you to try to kiss your own

 

[umarbeast]

Ohh i get it Marooned. Hope Bazid Khan performs when Pakistan give me the chance again.

 

[kas]

asim kamal failed again. hw many chances does he need b4 england. i say hassan raza should play instead.the team shud be:

1 malik
2afridi
3yk
4moyo
5inzi
6raza
7akmal
8rana
9sami
10akhtar
11kaneria

 

[umarbeast]

Well Monsee unless Shoaib Akthar wants to terminate his Pakistan cricket career he will make sure not to get injuried.

 

[Hasan]

1 malik
2afridi
3yk
4moyo
5inzi
6raza
7akmal
8rana
9sami
10akhtar
11kaneria

I like this team but I do not want to see Afridi exposed to the new ball. But I am not sure how he can fit in later on in the order. Unless we have someone like Raza opening, which is not ideal in itself.

I think our bowling looks very stong.

 

[Muddaser]

Kamal Bradman failed yet again.