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Moeen Ali - Performance Watch

Hawkeye said:
Where did you mention me [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]? That post seems to be deleted.
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That guy Junaids was accusing Misbah of deliberating underperforming to make Pakistan lose and Mamoon seemed very gleeful after reading that post and wanted yours and mine opinion on the matter.
 
The_KING said:
That guy Junaids was accusing Misbah of deliberating underperforming to make Pakistan lose and Mamoon seemed very gleeful after reading that post and wanted yours and mine opinion on the matter.
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:))) I see.

Not sure if Junaids was serious or a bad troll attempt.
 
Mamoon said:
He has shown lack of temperament and throws his wicket often, that's why he cannot be considered a Test class batsman.

That hundred vs. Sri Lanka more than a year ago remains his only great Test innings to date, where he fought it out and occupied the crease for a long period of time.

He might open in the UAE but that's a stop gap solution, since England would need a second spinner there. Will be back in the lower-order afterwards.

He is a Limited Overs specialist who is being forced to play Test cricket thanks to England's inability to find a worthy successor of Swann and he happens to bat and bowl better than any other spinner at this point.

It's like Shoaib Malik getting picked in Tests if we don't have any Test quality spinner and the others bowl and bat worse than him.

Not saying Malik is better than Moeen, the latter is way better with the ball and probably better with the bat as well, but my point is that a Limited Overs specialist being made to play Test cricket because of the lack of options and alternatives does not make him a Test standard cricketer.

In isolation, neither his bowling or batting is good enough for Test level, but as a package, he has enough value for England given their pool of spinners.

I don't see why it is offensive to say so, and nor does that mean that he cannot develop into a class Test player, but that's based on what he has exhibited so far.
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So, in your opinion, players that bat with flair and bat aggressively are not "test-class batsmen"? I would like to know if that is only the case for Ali or if Stokes, who has given his wicket away far more frequently and has yet to play a single gritty innings, is also not considered a "test-class batsman"?

What about the likes of Warner, Sehwag, KP and Viv? None of them are renowned for facing 200+ deliveries for their centuries. Attacking players do give their wicket away at times, it is part of the package. Batsmen who score runs at the test level are test-class batsmen, it doesn't matter whether they score those runs at a SR of 40 or 70.

It's not offensive at all, silly choice of words. It is incorrect however, because he has shown everyone that his batting is more than ready for a long stay at the test level. Go listen to what the experts are saying about him and don't hesitate to quote me when you find a couple that agree with your view about Ali not being a test-class batsman.
 
I wouldn't call Mamoon a fan, which is the real problem with him holding the #1 spot for this thread.
 
Bilal7 said:
So, in your opinion, players that bat with flair and bat aggressively are not "test-class batsmen"? I would like to know if that is only the case for Ali or if Stokes, who has given his wicket away far more frequently and has yet to play a single gritty innings, is also not considered a "test-class batsman"?

What about the likes of Warner, Sehwag, KP and Viv? None of them are renowned for facing 200+ deliveries for their centuries. Attacking players do give their wicket away at times, it is part of the package. Batsmen who score runs at the test level are test-class batsmen, it doesn't matter whether they score those runs at a SR of 40 or 70.

It's not offensive at all, silly choice of words. It is incorrect however, because he has shown everyone that his batting is more than ready for a long stay at the test level. Go listen to what the experts are saying about him and don't hesitate to quote me when you find a couple that agree with your view about Ali not being a test-class batsman.
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Players like Sehwag, Pietersen and Viv Richards found great success with their own playing style and are regarded as once in a generation batsmen. Why are you comparing Moeen to them? just because he's attacking?

Well if he averages 50 and scores 20+ hundreds regardless of his playing style, then you can consider him a Test class batsman, but not when he throws it away after 30s and 40s with a paltry average of 31.

He is not rated for his batting individually, but for his all-round value. Do you think he will get into the England Test team without his bowling? No chance.

Ben Stokes is not a finished article yet and like Moeen, he has to improve on his consistency. They have been pretty identical with the bat so far but Stokes has a hundred in Australia and another game-changing hundred vs. New Zealand, but he also needs to improve his consistency and play longer innings if he is to be considered as a genuine Test quality batter like Botham rather than the second coming of Flintoff.
 
Hawkeye said:
Where did you mention me [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]? That post seems to be deleted.
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Junaids made a long post regarding how Misbah has been at the centre of every suspicious collapse over the last few years. I mentioned you along with the Major and The_KING to counter his allegations, but unfortunately the mods deleted the post.
 
The_KING said:
That guy Junaids was accusing Misbah of deliberating underperforming to make Pakistan lose and Mamoon seemed very gleeful after reading that post and wanted yours and mine opinion on the matter.
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I wasn't gleeful because of what he said, I don't share his opinion on this matter at all, but it was interesting because it had the potential to kickstart a very engaging argument.
 
Mamoon said:
Players like Sehwag, Pietersen and Viv Richards found great success with their own playing style and are regarded as once in a generation batsmen. Why are you comparing Moeen to them? just because he's attacking?

Well if he averages 50 and scores 20+ hundreds regardless of his playing style, then you can consider him a Test class batsman, but not when he throws it away after 30s and 40s with a paltry average of 31.

He is not rated for his batting individually, but for his all-round value. Do you think he will get into the England Test team without his bowling? No chance.

Ben Stokes is not a finished article yet and like Moeen, he has to improve on his consistency. They have been pretty identical with the bat so far but Stokes has a hundred in Australia and another game-changing hundred vs. New Zealand, but he also needs to improve his consistency and play longer innings if he is to be considered as a genuine Test quality batter like Botham rather than the second coming of Flintoff.
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Batting at #8 or #9 with the tail makes it hard not to throw it away, because you can't really build an innings with Finn for company. When guys like Botham, Nasser, Atherton and Gilchrist praise Moeen's batting, they are rating his batting individually. Who knows if he would have gotten into the English set-up without his bowling? Maybe he might have had another couple of centuries if he was a pure batsman but that is speculation.

Both Stokes and Ali are test match batsmen. They might not be consistent but both have shown enough evidence of their class. Someone like Adam Lyth, who has failed miserably in test matches can have his aptitude for tests, questioned. Not a couple of guys who have scored three superb centuries between them, along with half a dozen fifties, that contributed heavily to their team's victory.
 
Bilal7 said:
Batting at #8 or #9 with the tail makes it hard not to throw it away, because you can't really build an innings with Finn for company. When guys like Botham, Nasser, Atherton and Gilchrist praise Moeen's batting, they are rating his batting individually. Who knows if he would have gotten into the English set-up without his bowling? Maybe he might have had another couple of centuries if he was a pure batsman but that is speculation.

Both Stokes and Ali are test match batsmen. They might not be consistent but both have shown enough evidence of their class. Someone like Adam Lyth, who has failed miserably in test matches can have his aptitude for tests, questioned. Not a couple of guys who have scored three superb centuries between them, along with half a dozen fifties, that contributed heavily to their team's victory.
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If I'm not wrong, didn't he start as a number 6 and got demoted to 8/9 because he kept throwing his wicket away?

Well in my view, both Moeen and Stokes need to improve their consistency to be considered Test class batsman.

Between the two, I think Stokes has the greater all-round potential and can be a genuine match-winner but he has a long way to go with both bat and ball.

Moeen being a spinner, will not win England many games but let's see how he bowls in the UAE, India, Sri Lanka etc., particularly in the second innings.
 
Mamoon said:
If I'm not wrong, didn't he start as a number 6 and got demoted to 8/9 because he kept throwing his wicket away?

Well in my view, both Moeen and Stokes need to improve their consistency to be considered Test class batsman.

Between the two, I think Stokes has the greater all-round potential and can be a genuine match-winner but he has a long way to go with both bat and ball.

Moeen being a spinner, will not win England many games but let's see how he bowls in the UAE, India, Sri Lanka etc., particularly in the second innings.
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Not because he kept throwing his wicket away but because he kept getting bounced out. Plus, they wanted and probably still want him to focus more on his spin-bowling than his batting. He seems to be over his bouncer problem now.
 
It's a bit stupid in having him bat at number 8. He looks good enough to be a genuine batting allrounder who should cement his spot at number 6 in Tests
 
ExplicitAI said:
It's a bit stupid in having him bat at number 8. He looks good enough to be a genuine batting allrounder who should cement his spot at number 6 in Tests
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Like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said, he threw his wicket away too much and got demoted.
 
WC-Passion said:
Like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said, he threw his wicket away too much and got demoted.
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Well he has been batting a lot better in recent times so I don't think a promotion up the batting order would hurt anyone.
 
Brilliant start by Moeen to Pakistan series

7-2-9-2 so far with two top order wickets against Pakistan A
 
Can be an important player for Eng this series.

Pakistan should be wary of him
 
Perhaps his average will not be disturbed after all. Congratulations in advance to all English and Pakistani PPers.
 
Bilal7 said:
So, in your opinion, players that bat with flair and bat aggressively are not "test-class batsmen"? I would like to know if that is only the case for Ali or if Stokes, who has given his wicket away far more frequently and has yet to play a single gritty innings, is also not considered a "test-class batsman"?

What about the likes of Warner, Sehwag, KP and Viv? None of them are renowned for facing 200+ deliveries for their centuries. Attacking players do give their wicket away at times, it is part of the package. Batsmen who score runs at the test level are test-class batsmen, it doesn't matter whether they score those runs at a SR of 40 or 70.

It's not offensive at all, silly choice of words. It is incorrect however, because he has shown everyone that his batting is more than ready for a long stay at the test level. Go listen to what the experts are saying about him and don't hesitate to quote me when you find a couple that agree with your view about Ali not being a test-class batsman.
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Don't disrespect Viv by comparing him with mortals please.
 
England will win the series with match winning contributions from Moeen and Adil and prove once and for all that an undemocratic and unmeritocratic Pakistan establishment is on its way down and out unless it changes its ways
 
Mamoon said:
Perhaps his average will not be disturbed after all. Congratulations in advance to all English and Pakistani PPers.
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Well, he averages 35-odd with the ball so there is nothing here that warrants congratulations being dealt out.

Haroon786 said:
Nothing is certain in life but debt and taxes.
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And the inclusion of at least, one undeserving player, in the Pakistani test squad.
 
s28 said:
England will win the series with match winning contributions from Moeen and Adil and prove once and for all that an undemocratic and unmeritocratic Pakistan establishment is on its way down and out unless it changes its ways
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That would be sad. Why can't we hope for only good things to happen? Pakistan doesn't have to lose in order for the PCB to get their things together.
 
Bilal7 said:
Well, he averages 35-odd with the ball so there is nothing here that warrants congratulations being dealt out.
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He has never bowled on such wickets before. 3-for on a day 1 pitch is not a very good sign.
 
Bilal7 said:
Well, he averages 35-odd with the ball so there is nothing here that warrants congratulations being dealt out.
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Actually I do see him getting slaughtered against YK and Sarfraz, he could be averaging in the 3 figures for this series, it won't be pretty that's for sure.
 
Is he really going to open the batting? It seems like a bad idea. You want long innings from your opener and you want long spells from your no. 1 spin bowler. The workload might be too high for him. What if he carries the bat unbeaten for 400 minutes and then Cook brings him on in the 8th over to bowl 35 overs in the Pakistan innings? IMO an all rounder should never open the batting unless he's only going to bowl a few overs here and there.
 
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I hope Pak win the first two tests. Then in the third test we let Moeen get a 10fer and a century. So we win the series but Moeen comes away with his average improved.

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Haroon786 said:
Actually I do see him getting slaughtered against YK and Sarfraz, he could be averaging in the 3 figures for this series, it won't be pretty that's for sure.
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Rashid is the danger-man, pak batters generally play offies pretty well. Good job that Yasir probably gives the pak line up a decent leg-spin work out in the nets.
 
It looks like Mo is going to open for England then; I don't believe this shoot out theory between him and hales or are England really that adventurous that they'd leave one of their most important positions in the batting line up hanging on a thread until the last minute?
 
shaz619 said:
Rashid is the danger-man, pak batters generally play offies pretty well. Good job that Yasir probably gives the pak line up a decent leg-spin work out in the nets.
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Yeah agreed I'm scared that he might knock out one of our batsmen with a beamer.
 
Haroon786 said:
Yeah agreed I'm scared that he might knock out one of our batsmen with a beamer.
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How is that possible? I've not seen Rashid knock out anyone with a beamer before or any spinner for that matter; also it's not amusing making injury related jokes. Rashid takes wickets bowling leg spin beautifully and that is what he will try to do.
 
shaz619 said:
How is that possible? I've not seen Rashid knock out anyone with a beamer before or any spinner for that matter; also it's not amusing making injury related jokes. Rashid takes wickets bowling leg spin beautifully and that is what he will try to do.
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Was a clear indicator that Rashid is a wayward bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
He has never bowled on such wickets before. 3-for on a day 1 pitch is not a very good sign.
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For who? :amla

Joking, don't go into a depression again. I am concerned though, England could have easily scored 400+ against Pakistan 'A' if they were allowed to bat for longer. Their bowling wasn't impressive but even a draw is as bad as a loss for us, in the UAE.

Haroon786 said:
Actually I do see him getting slaughtered against YK and Sarfraz, he could be averaging in the 3 figures for this series, it won't be pretty that's for sure.
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Younis will probably just milk him. It's going to be Sarfaraz and Misbah who'll go after him. Perhaps Shehzad too, if all the planets are aligned and he not only gets to play, but also survives the English pacers.

Rashid is going to be more expensive since he gives more bad balls per over (and more good ones as well).
 
If England can open with Ali, why can't we open with Malik? We really only 'need' his off-spin, so a scratchy 30 is all that is expected from his willow.
 
Bilal7 said:
For who? :amla

Joking, don't go into a depression again. I am concerned though, England could have easily scored 400+ against Pakistan 'A' if they were allowed to bat for longer. Their bowling wasn't impressive but even a draw is as bad as a loss for us, in the UAE.



Younis will probably just milk him. It's going to be Sarfaraz and Misbah who'll go after him. Perhaps Shehzad too, if all the planets are aligned and he not only gets to play, but also survives the English pacers.

Rashid is going to be more expensive since he gives more bad balls per over (and more good ones as well).
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No, Younis will look to go after him - career SR against spin is higher than against pace because he struggles against good pace bowlers.

Shezhad will be a good quality water boy IMO.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Don't we have regular openers?
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If the management feels that Malik's bowling is needed, then they should just open with him, instead of disrupting the entire middle-order in order to accommodate him at #6. Pretty much what England are doing with Ali, so that Rashid can play and the rest of the lineup isn't disturbed.
 
Bilal7 said:
If England can open with Ali, why can't we open with Malik? We really only 'need' his off-spin, so a scratchy 30 is all that is expected from his willow.
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That was Bob Woolmer's tactic, not sure it has been used since
 
Bilal7 said:
If the management feels that Malik's bowling is needed, then they should just open with him, instead of disrupting the entire middle-order in order to accommodate him at #6. Pretty much what England are doing with Ali, so that Rashid can play and the rest of the lineup isn't disturbed.
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Ali has experience at least opening and has played in the top 3 in FC for Worcestershire and it's not entirely a bad idea to entertain when looking at having him open in the UAE; in fact Mo relishes it and desires to open himself. Having Malik open is suicide but it's also unfortunate that the line up will be disturbed if they choose to play him down the order.
 
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I don't think YK & Misbah's positions should be altered but Azhar can be pushed to open while Shafiq can move up to 3, with Malik coming in at 6.
 
Ahson8 said:
I don't think YK & Misbah's positions should be altered but Azhar can be pushed to open while Shafiq can move up to 3, with Malik coming in at 6.
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Why should others be sacrificed to protect one non Test player? Two of our most important players will be at risk of getting out early.

Good job there.
 
Haroon786 said:
Actually I do see him getting slaughtered against YK and Sarfraz, he could be averaging in the 3 figures for this series, it won't be pretty that's for sure.
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Personnel doing the thrashing might be different but he's certainly being showed his place.
 
Moeen as a bowler has looked out of depth against our bats. Didnt trouble them one bit. Lets see what he does on Day 4 and Day 5 if he gets the chance to bowl then.

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I guess he played the slowest test innings of this year or maybe the slowest in last 2-3 years.
 
Nightmare start to the tour for Pakistan's favorite English cricketer. Will he redeem himself in the latter part of this Test and the remaining two matches or break the hearts of millions of Pakistanis?

Stay tuned . . .
 
Can't even score a fifty on this flat road..

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Mamoon said:
Nightmare start to the tour for Pakistan's favorite English cricketer. Will he redeem himself in the latter part of this Test and the remaining two matches or break the hearts of millions of Pakistanis?

Stay tuned . . .
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Read this comment like how the reality show host would say it.

:)))
 
Scored 35 on this patta but still a useful knock for England.

100 run opening partnership is what they wanted and got.
 
Mo did the job opening for the first time at the top; I'd have thought Riaz would get him out of there early but he was incredibly restrained and determined to stay at the wicket. Decent partnership with Cook.
 
Moeen bhai picks Misbah wicket and looks like to the gate is open now from one end and the match situation can be changed.
 
Safraz should smash a few and take Moeen to cleaners we will have to take risk otherwise i can't see us surviving a couple of more overs.
 
I hope he takes 3 more wickets but the match is called off due to bad light, so that he gets his 5-fer but we don't lose the match.
 
Thanks for trolling but i dont really want him to take any confidence from this match no more wickets! smash him out of the park Sarf
 
Both commentators think there's a finger underneath... Not sure what the umpires think.
 
A hack can never open. The quicker Eng realizes this the better for them.
 
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