Mohammad Hafeez undergoes bowling action test in England [Update Post #202]

[Bilal7]

Nothing wrong with Hafeez being investigated for a faulty action but why in the world has Ashwin never been tested? This can be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan, Hafeez has been a very useful bowler for us but his batting is the curse that comes with it. This can rid us of his batting without feeling sad the prospect of losing his economical spin.

Bring Haris in for him. We get a much superior batsman who can also bowl a little bit. Things just keep getting better and better for Pakistan, Alhamdulliah.

 

[Bilal7]

Why does hafeez have to chuck? He does not even have a Doosra like Ajmal and he is forced to chuck.

No one does it purposefully and knowingly. Well, maybe except Ashwin.

 

[Plumb]

Looking back at his career, he hide himself based on his bowling. Never accepted that he had major flaws in his batting and held his spot as an opener or 1 down or nothing. Scored runs against minnows and looked horrible in front of good bowling units. Had he used himself at number 6 as a pinch hitter with "some clean bowling". I for once would have respected him but how he held the opening position for the longest time just makes me very angry.

 

[choclate]

People who supported Hafeez's chucking won't change overnight, they're the same people who claim Ajmal is one of the best offspinners ever.

yes he was , chucking aside he was the best of the lot- even Murali would have been banned in today's approach so the two assertions are not contradictory #justsaying

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The first time there were question marks over his action was actually back in the VB series in 2004/05 but back then they were clearing every other bowling. Came to India and started bowling with a straight arm only to get smashed by Viruses, Dhoni and co. Again starts chucking around late 2006 and that time even Lara was struggling against his darts. This guy knows exactly when he's chucking and he's been doing it purposely for over a decade. It's laughable to suggest that he's not doing it knowingly .

 

[sachin100]

The first time there were question marks over his action was actually back in the VB series in 2004/05 but back then they were clearing every other bowling. Came to India and started bowling with a straight arm only to get smashed by Viruses, Dhoni and co. Again starts chucking around late 2006 and that time even Lara was struggling against his darts. This guy knows exactly when he's chucking and he's been doing it purposely for over a decade. It's laughable to suggest that he's not doing it knowingly .

ajmals excuse of bending his elbow due to accident fell flat when he was able to modify his action.

ajmal is the worst chucker the world has ever seen .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

ajmals excuse of bending his elbow due to accident fell flat when he was able to modify his action.

ajmal is the worst chucker the world has ever seen .

I believe ajmal was always over the limit though. Not on every delivery but even back in 2009 he was bowling 120 kph darts and turning it the other way at speed. I can buy an argument of ajmal not chucking knowingly since he probably didn't know he was over the limit as ICC cleared him. Hafeez on the other hand. ...

 

[sachin100]

I believe ajmal was always over the limit though. Not on every delivery but even back in 2009 he was bowling 120 kph darts and turning it the other way at speed. I can buy an argument of ajmal not chucking knowingly since he probably didn't know he was over the limit as ICC cleared him. Hafeez on the other hand. ...

hafeez chucking is not blatant like ajmal.he was a borderline chucker

 

[Lefthanded]

His real age will be 38 by the time of the WC.

It's too late to give him another chance but better now than next year. Gives us plenty of time to blood a young replacement for WC '19. He's been tested and tested, but his clean action clearly isn't repeatable.

A loss for sure, but it's time for him to stop hogging a spot he may not even be able to hold come 2019.

 

[pkwdpassion]

The ones who are testing bowling action themselves are controversial including the techniques used to test actions.

University of Western Australia reprimanded ICC who have been using their proscribed techniques in testing and keeping the 'ridiculous secrecy' around the procedures used for testing bowlers.
Since the fallout between UWA and ICC in March 2014, the ICC [or Big 3 Uk, Aus, India] have been doing the tests themselves with their facilities in their respective countries. Chennai, Cardiff, Brisbane.
When the ICC [Big 3] banned Ajmal just before World Cup 2015, UWA came in and criticized the ICC. PCB made no defense of its players. Sethi-Shahryar Khan remained Missing-in-Action during this point of time.

After WC 2015 suddenly the frequency of reportings reduced, Indian bowler R. Ashwin was questioned by leading indian publications for his action. I still remember Bilal Asif was also reported and then forced to go to Chennai for testing and cleared. He took 5 for 25 and his action was made issue by referee Jukes [UK]. After Hafeez was banned for 12 months, this was another assault on Pakistan. Asif never played for Pakistan again after that.

These ICC procedures have only applied on players from Pakistan, Sri Lankan, South Africa[Subreyan] and Bangladesh, never against anyone from Big 3, where their own meida raised doubts about players like Ashwin, Ojha, R. Pawar, and Harbhajan.

Harbhajan was reported in 2005 and tested with UWA and India has made sure he was never reported again through limited selective tours.

Pakistanis need to learn about ICC testing procedures, we have bio-mechanics experts who can research and establish findings.
We have the Pakistani media which can mobilize the opinion.
What is needed is someone leading the Pcb who can organize this and pressure ICC to disclose their techniques and whether they are acceptable for sporting standards in conjunction with other major sports organizations.
PCB has played a really sad role, if there was an Arif Abbasi or Majid Khan, the way Saeed Ajmal and AShwin were treated unequally in 2014 would never have transpired.


Still there is a cloud over the ICC testing procedures which have to be addressed.

 

[Abdullah719]

After WC 2015 suddenly the frequency of reportings reduced, Indian bowler R. Ashwin was questioned by leading indian publications for his action. I still remember Bilal Asif was also reported and then forced to go to Chennai for testing and cleared. He took 5 for 25 and his action was made issue by referee Jukes [UK]. After Hafeez was banned for 12 months, this was another assault on Pakistan. Asif never played for Pakistan again after that.

Amidst the conspiracy theories, you forgot to mention that Bilal Asif was cleared.

He didn't play again because he wasn't selected, not because he was banned. He was in the squad for the SL Tests and is very much active in domestic cricket.

 

[Abdullah719]

Coming back to Hafeez, how unexpected that he has been reported again.

 

[pkwdpassion]

I still remember Bilal Asif was also reported and then forced to go to Chennai for testing and cleared. He took 5 for 25 and his action was made issue by referee Jukes [UK]. After Hafeez was banned for 12 months, this was another assault on Pakistan. Asif never played for Pakistan again after that.

I have mentioned he was cleared but was never selectd again for Pakistan. He took 5-fer after which he was reported he played the firstodi and bowled 8 overs without a wicket. He was mentioned in finalreport of match referee Jukes after which he went to testing facility in one of the 3 nations [UK, India, Aus.]
The testing facilities are in these 3 nations. The umpire and referees who have reported bowling action are from these 3 nations. No bowler ever has been reported from these 3 nations which includes, players like Ashwin, Harbhajan bowling with the same action. Ojha changed his, and his wicket taking ability was affected. The ones affected or suffered the most like PCB have never gone legal with ICC on this issue.

These are not conspiracy theories.
Uni. of Western Australia whose bowling-action-measuring techniques are still used by the ICC 3 nations facilities', had protested and validly said about the secrecy of the procedures without any third-party or independent confirmation or the accused party[player] knowing of the procedures which is norm in any system that accused knows what he is being charged for.



The doubts raised by UWA on ICC testing and ban on Ajmal

In particular, UWA expressed concerns about the monitoring of Ajmal's action after it had cleared the off-spinner in a previous test in 2009.

Alderson said that in tests conducted on Ajmal in 2009, the 'frame of ball release' was crucial in establishing the legality of his bowling action.

"More than any other bowler we have tested," Alderson said, a large number of Ajmal's deliveries would have been illegal in the 2009 testing if the point of ball release was identified to be "1-2 frames or 0.004-0.008 seconds later".

The university highlighted four areas of concern in the current tests conducted by the ICC: (A) The method of judging the moment of ball release (B) The repercussions of placing markers in different places (C) The influence of both elbow 'flexion' and 'extension' (D) The continued use of 2D imagery in testing

In an interview to local media in August, Alderson had also cited a lack of "an independent" review as the biggest question mark over the ICC tests.

“The testing of bowlers should be independent, and it’s not.

“Any scientific procedure that can impact on the ability of a player to play the game has to be an independent process and the procedures by which those decisions are made must be open to peer review, and must be available to bowlers and their boards to ensure that process is open and fair. I don’t think it’s in the best interests of cricket.”

Commenting on the issue former Pakistan captain Rameez Raja said the ICC needed to make the procedures behind the tests public otherwise doubts over their reliability would remain.

 

[Pete Rose]

but what about...
(*checks old PP threads to see which Indian spinner are we all bashing)
its BCCINDIA...
etc etc

(*brings up discussion of Ajmal's greatness)

 

[sachin100]

I have mentioned he was cleared but was never selectd again for Pakistan. He took 5-fer after which he was reported he played the firstodi and bowled 8 overs without a wicket. He was mentioned in finalreport of match referee Jukes after which he went to testing facility in one of the 3 nations [UK, India, Aus.]
The testing facilities are in these 3 nations. The umpire and referees who have reported bowling action are from these 3 nations. No bowler ever has been reported from these 3 nations which includes, players like Ashwin, Harbhajan bowling with the same action. Ojha changed his, and his wicket taking ability was affected. The ones affected or suffered the most like PCB have never gone legal with ICC on this issue.

These are not conspiracy theories.
Uni. of Western Australia whose bowling-action-measuring techniques are still used by the ICC 3 nations facilities', had protested and validly said about the secrecy of the procedures without any third-party or independent confirmation or the accused party[player] knowing of the procedures which is norm in any system that accused knows what he is being charged for.



The doubts raised by UWA on ICC testing and ban on Ajmal

The procedure is well known and it is nothing secret. Players undergoing r clearly explained and test results r submitted to players and boards with footage of testing.

Why should icc accept uwa as the only testing centre?

 

[Pete Rose]

Anytime Hafeez gets an lbw or bowled dismissal against a left hander, you can be sure he is chucking.

 

[Buffet]

Ajmal kept it together for Pakistan and now Hafeez is doing it.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

This was to be expected


However I do not share in the optimism that this is the end of the Professor. He always manages to find his way back sadly

 

[waleed88]

Thank you for the memories Mohammad Hafeez and the Champions Trophy, its time to retire. Enough of chucking. You can't go back to your original ways after clearing your action so many times.

 

[asifp]

this one is on the coaches. Could they not see what he was doing and correct it?

 

[waleed88]

I think Hafeez thinks he is a little over-smart. We call it dairh hoshyari. He has dodged the system a couple of times and then he thinks he can go on his merry ways since no one bats an eye on his bowling action. Well the world is watch and we are not stupid. I think he should be permanently banned, you can't fraud the system many times and get away with it.

 

[Mainul]

A lot of posters saw this coming in the match commentary threads.

Yes, I was one of them.Still Pakistan will carry Hafeez.Shame.

 

[daytrader]

Could be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully we'll now see Fahim get more chances

 

[Savak]

This is such a shame. The value of Hafeez's bowling is under estimated, you are guaranteed 10 economical overs along with a bonus wicket or two and that plays a huge part in our ability to tie teams down to chasable scores. I hope he gets his action right in the actual bowling test.

 

[Saj]

It's taken them 10 months to see this? The guy has played several series and the Champions Trophy also.

Andy Pycroft the match referee once again.........

 

[Sirris]

I think Hafeez thinks he is a little over-smart. We call it dairh hoshyari. He has dodged the system a couple of times and then he thinks he can go on his merry ways since no one bats an eye on his bowling action. Well the world is watch and we are not stupid. I think he should be permanently banned, you can't fraud the system many times and get away with it.

That's what I am wondering. Is he intentionally trying to be oversmart or can he just not help himself falling back to his old ways due to muscle memory.

Though why would he try to act oversmart and put his career at risk. He is the professor after all.

 

[Hasan123]

If he doesn't score with the bat and he is banned from bowling,it won't be long before he's dropped

 

[Markhor]

This is getting ridiculous now, Hafeez's offspin was keeping him in the team but without that he's not worth persisting with as a specialist batsman.

 

[DRsohail]

it was intentionall/

 

[Sherlock]

I have to admit during the last match I watched a few overs from Hafeez and did get the suspicion he was chucking a few deliveries. Thought it was my imagination considering he just came back, guess not.

He should know better, and if he is found to be chucking he should be banned from bowling again, full stop.

 

[CricFan2012]

That's what I am wondering. Is he intentionally trying to be oversmart or can he just not help himself falling back to his old ways due to muscle memory.

Though why would he try to act oversmart and put his career at risk. He is the professor after all.

He knows his time is up, trying to make the most money through match fees before getting disposed, and the only way to make match fees is by being selected, to be selected he has to bowl economically, to do that he has to chuck..

 

[Hamza_]

[MENTION=137997]Abdullah[/MENTION] Hafeez did play in Australia.

 

[90MPH]

It's always been border line with him - it looked fine since he remodelled it recently but maybe this series he's pushing around the limit. He should have known to smooth it by now but age is not in his side.

Anyway im fine get him tested again but if he's been proven that he's going over the limit then he should be told to stop bowling, full stop.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Well said only those who are reported are chuckers, BCCI clears and then mysteriously removes its players with suspect bowling actions looking at the match officials and tours. Indian players are never reported.

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Yes yes, it is an Indian conspiracy.

 

[Mamoon]

Nothing wrong with Hafeez being investigated for a faulty action but why in the world has Ashwin never been tested? This can be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan, Hafeez has been a very useful bowler for us but his batting is the curse that comes with it. This can rid us of his batting without feeling sad the prospect of losing his economical spin.

Bring Haris in for him. We get a much superior batsman who can also bowl a little bit. Things just keep getting better and better for Pakistan, Alhamdulliah.

Let me guess. I think it is because he doesn't chuck.

 

[mak36]

Let me guess. I think it is because he doesn't chuck.

If we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, that would suggest that everyone investigated for a faulty action does in fact chuck but we all know that is not true.

Likewise, just because someone hasn't been investigated it doesn't mean they have a clean action.

 

[Mamoon]

If we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, that would suggest that everyone investigated for a faulty action does in fact chuck but we all know that is not true.

Likewise, just because someone hasn't been investigated it doesn't mean they have a clean action.

The umpires will call whom they deem suspect. The ICC does not need to test every finger-spinner.

 

[mak36]

The umpires will call whom they deem suspect. The ICC does not need to test every finger-spinner.

Sure, but that completely misses the point I was making.

Is it not possible for the umpires to make a mistake, either way? That is to say, they could call a bowler whose action is in fact legal, in the same way they might not call a bowler whose action is in fact illegal?

Your earlier post seemed to suggest that wasn't possible.

 

[waleed88]

That's what I am wondering. Is he intentionally trying to be oversmart or can he just not help himself falling back to his old ways due to muscle memory.

Though why would he try to act oversmart and put his career at risk. He is the professor after all.

Agreed. Hafeez is a serial offender, and there is no smoke without fire. His history of indiscretions mean he has not learnt his lesson.

Complete contrast between Malik and Hafeez, one has a round arm action his bowl is a genuine offie which even had the commies surprised how is this guy getting any purchase while Hafeez is only darting it into the left hander.

I don't think there can be any debates abt the chuck. It was obvious and everyone saw it

 

[Bilal7]

Let me guess. I think it is because he doesn't chuck.

Okay, then how about they prove it to the world?

 

[waleed88]

Regarding Ashwin, there might've been an issue with his action back in 2013-14, and then he has rectified that to his credit, and he looks as good as ever as a bowler. The issue with Hafeez is not learning from his lesson.

 

[Pete Rose]

Regarding Ashwin, there might've been an issue with his action back in 2013-14, and then he has rectified that to his credit, and he looks as good as ever as a bowler. The issue with Hafeez is not learning from his lesson.

Well for him to learn his lesson, someone needs to tell him to knock it off. Everyone knows what he is trying to pull

 

[KyoOne]

Glenn Maxwell also resorts to suspectable action at times, he's not been reported yet.

Ojha and Harbi have played international cricket post Ajmal ban, they have not been reported as well.

There's clear bias, one agrees or not

 

[Titan24]

It's taken them 10 months to see this? The guy has played several series and the Champions Trophy also.

Andy Pycroft the match referee once again.........

Why is that only Andy Pycroft sees the illegal actions and no one else. ICC should hold an investigation that why other match refrees cant see the same thing and everytime its Andy Pycroft with his special vision. ��

 

[Madplayer]

The umpires will call whom they deem suspect. The ICC does not need to test every finger-spinner.

I dont believe in this Bcci nonsense at all.

But it is not impossible that the umpires would be lenient towards some countries like India in order to not risk their IPL contracts. Sounds a bit far fethched but at the end of the day umpires are humans.

 

[Suleiman]

Was a matter of time. Ofc, now because of his magical 50 in CT final his contract will get extended to 2022 Fifa world cup as "specialist batsman"

 

[Gilly]

It's taken them 10 months to see this? The guy has played several series and the Champions Trophy also.

Andy Pycroft the match referee once again.........

I dont get your reference to Andy Pycroft, Saj. Did he act alone or did he act on the reports from the on field umpires?.

 

[Indiafan]

The ones who are testing bowling action themselves are controversial including the techniques used to test actions.

University of Western Australia reprimanded ICC who have been using their proscribed techniques in testing and keeping the 'ridiculous secrecy' around the procedures used for testing bowlers.
Since the fallout between UWA and ICC in March 2014, the ICC [or Big 3 Uk, Aus, India] have been doing the tests themselves with their facilities in their respective countries. Chennai, Cardiff, Brisbane.
When the ICC [Big 3] banned Ajmal just before World Cup 2015, UWA came in and criticized the ICC. PCB made no defense of its players. Sethi-Shahryar Khan remained Missing-in-Action during this point of time.

After WC 2015 suddenly the frequency of reportings reduced, Indian bowler R. Ashwin was questioned by leading indian publications for his action. I still remember Bilal Asif was also reported and then forced to go to Chennai for testing and cleared. He took 5 for 25 and his action was made issue by referee Jukes [UK]. After Hafeez was banned for 12 months, this was another assault on Pakistan. Asif never played for Pakistan again after that.

These ICC procedures have only applied on players from Pakistan, Sri Lankan, South Africa[Subreyan] and Bangladesh, never against anyone from Big 3, where their own meida raised doubts about players like Ashwin, Ojha, R. Pawar, and Harbhajan.

Harbhajan was reported in 2005 and tested with UWA and India has made sure he was never reported again through limited selective tours.

Pakistanis need to learn about ICC testing procedures, we have bio-mechanics experts who can research and establish findings.
We have the Pakistani media which can mobilize the opinion.
What is needed is someone leading the Pcb who can organize this and pressure ICC to disclose their techniques and whether they are acceptable for sporting standards in conjunction with other major sports organizations.
PCB has played a really sad role, if there was an Arif Abbasi or Majid Khan, the way Saeed Ajmal and AShwin were treated unequally in 2014 would never have transpired.


Still there is a cloud over the ICC testing procedures which have to be addressed.

anyone who questions ashwins action, arguably the cleanest in cricket, loses all credibility. Are you getting confused by when ashwin chucked deliberately in a match to prove a point?

 

[Indiafan]

Regarding Ashwin, there might've been an issue with his action back in 2013-14, and then he has rectified that to his credit, and he looks as good as ever as a bowler. The issue with Hafeez is not learning from his lesson.

there never was an issue with ashwins action. He chucked intentionally in one single series to prove a point

 

[Arham_PakFan]

As expected.Perfect time for him to be dropped.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

anyone who questions ashwins action, arguably the cleanest in cricket, loses all credibility. Are you getting confused by when ashwin chucked deliberately in a match to prove a point?

Lol, this Ashwin chucking meme comes up on PP every now and then.

Problem is that sometimes posters get so fixed to their predefined talking points and notions, they are too uninformed, unwilling or lazy to discern what Ashwin was actually doing.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: Former Pakistan skipper Misbah-ul-Haq expressed concern for all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez after he was reported for suspect bowling action for the third time in his career during the third One-day International against Sri Lanka at Abu Dhabi on Wednesday.”

"Hafeez is an effective weapon with the ball for Pakistan and I wish he stays out of problems as he is an important part of the team,” Misbah said while addressing media here on Thursday.

The 43-year-old also praised Imam-ul-Haq who scored a century on his ODI debut against the Lankans. The southpaw led Pakistan to a seven-wicket win scoring 100 off 125 balls in an exquisite batting display.

“His innings was a welcoming sign for the team. Despite all the pressure on him and the selectors, Imam proved his mettle,” Misbah said.

“He made it to the senior team with experience at the junior and first-class levels and I hope he goes on to enjoy a long career for Pakistan.”

Misbah, who retired from ODI captaincy after the 2015 World Cup, said Pakistan were in a good shape in the 50-over-format but they need to try and get stronger.

“Pakistan’s confidence following their Champions Trophy is reflecting against Sri Lanka,” said the Mianwali-born legend.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1364903/misbah-concerned-for-hafeez

 

[DRsohail]

what important member,,,friend is coming to rescue him.

 

[Misia]

hafiz out Haris in, why is he warming the bench in the 1st place

 

[Mamoon]

Sure, but that completely misses the point I was making.

Is it not possible for the umpires to make a mistake, either way? That is to say, they could call a bowler whose action is in fact legal, in the same way they might not call a bowler whose action is in fact illegal?

Your earlier post seemed to suggest that wasn't possible.

I agree that they make can mistakes, but they have had a pretty good record. Apart from one or two, the bowlers who have been reported have had an illegal action. Also, you can tell with the naked eye if an action is illegal/borderline or clean. Differentiating between a legal and an illegal action is not difficult.

Ashwin's action certainly appears to be very clean. The only time he looked suspicious was during the Asia Cup 2014, but apart from that, he has looked as clean as an off-spinner can look

However, that is not really the issue. The problem is that some people will only be satisfied if Ashwin gets banned. So even if he gets reported and passes the test, these people will claim that he got away with it because of BCCI influence.

 

[Mamoon]

I dont believe in this Bcci nonsense at all.

But it is not impossible that the umpires would be lenient towards some countries like India in order to not risk their IPL contracts. Sounds a bit far fethched but at the end of the day umpires are humans.

Does Ashwin's action appear illegal to you? People will say that there is no way to tell without biomechanics, but time and time again, the naked eye has proven to be quite accurate when it comes to spotting chuckers. Those who called Ajmal a chucker for years and those who were expecting Hafeez to be reported during the SL series were relying on their naked eye.

 

[Mamoon]

Okay, then how about they prove it to the world?

The umpires are only going to report bowlers if they think that their action is suspect. Why is it so hard to understand?

 

[phlimran]

it was an indian umpire who reported how ironic.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Should be booted out of team anyways regardless of if he can bowl or not and replaced by haris sohail.

 

[MenInG]

One over and seems to be bowling ok

 

[Billa86]

Don't understand why he is bowling after being reported. The damage is done and i'm sure he will be banned again for chucking.

 

[shaz619]

If he is called again he will be banned for 2 years

 

[another drop catch]

If he is called again he will be banned for 2 years

banned from bowling or banned from playing

 

[Madplayer]

Does Ashwin's action appear illegal to you? People will say that there is no way to tell without biomechanics, but time and time again, the naked eye has proven to be quite accurate when it comes to spotting chuckers. Those who called Ajmal a chucker for years and those who were expecting Hafeez to be reported during the SL series were relying on their naked eye.

No i think Ashwin is clean. Ojha and harbhajan were borderline cases. I am not able to recall whether they were reported or not.

 

[Madplayer]

If he is called again he will be banned for 2 years

He tried to be clever by using the remodelled action today but comparisons using previous match's footeage exposed him. Nothing escapes technology

 

[waleed88]

there never was an issue with ashwins action. He chucked intentionally in one single series to prove a point

Don't know regarding the issues with that as I didn't follow, but I did hear him say it in a press conference that he will try to use unfair advantage with wearing long sleeves

 

[Hasan123]

If he is called again he will be banned for 2 years

And that should be the end of his career.

 

[Savak]

People who are delighted at Hafeez being in trouble, wishing for him being banned, end of his career have no flaming idea how invaluable his guaranteed 10 economical overs with a wicket or 2 is to the team, it helps the other bowlers to create pressure and get wickets as well. Imad Wasim is not even half the bowler that Hafeez is

 

[Hamza_]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] Sahab our problem is batting NOT bowling.

 

[Savak]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] Sahab our problem is batting NOT bowling.

Bowling was a problem as well. Just check the amount of runs our bowling attack conceeded when Hafeez was banned from bowling. People do not understand the value of his 10 guaranteed economical overs with a bonus wicket or two.

 

[Hamza_]

We conceeded 350+ with Hafeez in Australia.

Shoaib Malik can give a few economical overs with Fahim to back him as well as Haris Sohail.

 

[Abdullah719]

People who are delighted at Hafeez being in trouble, wishing for him being banned, end of his career have no flaming idea how invaluable his guaranteed 10 economical overs with a wicket or 2 is to the team, it helps the other bowlers to create pressure and get wickets as well. Imad Wasim is not even half the bowler that Hafeez is

These are the bowling stats during our ongoing eight-match winning streak.

Hafeez has been economical but I think you're overstating his importance.

 

[waleed88]

I'm really relieved that it was Hafeez the batsman that made a telling contribution in the final, not Hafeez the bowler. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken a while for our Indian brothers to attribute the word to cheating to our win. They are already calling it a conspiracy 'that Jasjit Bhumrah' no-ball, otherwise they would've won it fair and square.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Hafeez if he used the action he used in the 4th ODI, might get cleared. His action looked a lot cleaner today as Bazid mentioned on mic.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Hafeez if he used the action he used in the 4th ODI, might get cleared. His action looked a lot cleaner today as Bazid mentioned on mic.

This will not matter, they will look at the video from the 3rd ODI and have him mimic those particular deliveries in question.

 

[mak36]

Bowling was a problem as well. Just check the amount of runs our bowling attack conceeded when Hafeez was banned from bowling. People do not understand the value of his 10 guaranteed economical overs with a bonus wicket or two.

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These are the bowling stats during our ongoing eight-match winning streak.

Hafeez has been economical but I think you're overstating his importance.

Exactly. Abdullah bhai is spot on.

Plus, it was a completely different bowling attack when Hafeez was banned so it's meaningless to say the RR increased, without any context. You have to take into account all the variables. It's overly simplistic to simply look at raw data and assume it proves your conclusion.

 

[MMHS]

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These are the bowling stats during our ongoing eight-match winning streak.

Hafeez has been economical but I think you're overstating his importance.

Can you do this excluding those last 4 matches, where he chucked shamelessly on a sluggish UAE track? You can start from AUS Series as for next 18 months, most of the matches are going to be played by PAK in NZ, SAF, and UK, including theWC.

 

[Abdullah719]

Can you do this excluding those last 4 matches, where he chucked shamelessly on a sluggish UAE track? You can start from AUS Series as for next 18 months, most of the matches are going to be played by PAK in NZ, SAF, and UK, including theWC.

ODIs this year excluding SL series....

 

[7sins]

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These are the bowling stats during our ongoing eight-match winning streak.

Hafeez has been economical but I think you're overstating his importance.

It doesnot matter if he banned he is almost 38 years old how many more matches he can play? He will be 40 in world cup 2019. Throughout thr champions trophy and sri lankan series his batting is total flop except for that 50 in the final. We have hassan shadab junaid amir imad 50 overs and malik haris sohail if selected can bowl few tight overs even fakhar zaman can bowl he used to bowl full 10 overs in domestic tournament.

 

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ODIs this year excluding SL series....

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So, basically Imad divided by 2 ...........