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Mohammad Rizwan "The criticism seems to be dying down a bit, so I must be doing something right"

TheSultan said:
This is the day the cult will say “everyone struggled”
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There is no cult shult here. This is looking at the game from an objective point of view instead of singling out individuals. All I care about is Pakistan winning the game, I am not any ****** or a hater like others.
 
Saj said:
Ugly innings that.

Scratched around and never looked settled at the crease.

Dot ball after dot ball and no urgency at all.
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It is a template for every innings of his, there is a reason he has a lowly average
 
His partnership with babar killed the game right there.

If he keeps playing 4, we are doomed.
 
Rizwan and Babar combined for 55 runs off 99 balls.

That sealed the game for NZ.
 
Can’t play on the off

Can’t play pace above 140

Can’t play swing

Can’t play spin

Basically, just can’t bat I’m afraid
 
Can rizwan play at 4? In india . Playing at 4 means playing lot of spin . If he scores like 30 of 55 that will just hinder Pakistan . I like rizwan due to his solid character but can’t deny he has issue with spin and SR
 
Zues said:
He is averaging 50 plus with a strike rate of 93 in List A? Those are impressive numbers for a batsman alone.
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Rizwan and Shan have those stats in your List A

I know my cricket. I’ve seen this guy and if I say I would pick Rizwan over him, it should tell you how poorly I think of Haseebullah
 
Rana said:
Rizwan and Shan have those stats in your List A

I know my cricket. I’ve seen this guy and if I say I would pick Rizwan over him, it should tell you how poorly I think of Haseebullah
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Unconventional players like Haseebullah, Fakhar Zaman and Fawad Alam are not pleasing to eye but they are effective. Technique is overrated.
 
Rana said:
Can’t play on the off

Can’t play pace above 140

Can’t play swing

Can’t play spin

Basically, just can’t bat I’m afraid
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And yet he still averages more then anyone in Pakistan history as a wk.
 
Rizwan just looks like a misfit at 4 no matter how hard he tries.
 
Khurram1989 said:
Let’s say he Bats at 7 as some here are saying he should, this means 8,9,10,11 are the 4 recognized bowlers. Where do we get the 5th bowling option from the top 6? Who will cover the 5th bowling quota of 10 overs?
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That is a rubbish suggest who ever said this.
 
IAJ said:
Lol, everyone is struggling. The "dangerous" Fakhar made 0 from 7 balls. Imam made 6 from 12 and the great man Haris made 10 from 21, surviving one close lbw shout and two top-edges. And Babar has lover SR at Rizwan at the moment so every single batsman has struggled. Get behind the team instead of showing pure hatred against individuals.
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Difference is that Fakhar can catch up with the run rate if required rizwan.Also he should have new Babar always will bat throw Rizwan Job should be to try and attack or atleast pick up singles.
 
shamaan said:
That is a rubbish suggest who ever said this.
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Why does everything need to be about accommodating Rizwan? Play him at 6 if you haven't enough bowlers.

Jeez, he got accommodated in T20 by playing as an opener cos he couldn't hack it in the middle overs, now he can't hack it in ODI, so now we're worrying where we can fit him in.
 
shamaan said:
Difference is that Fakhar can catch up with the run rate if required rizwan.Also he should have new Babar always will bat throw Rizwan Job should be to try and attack or atleast pick up singles.
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Firstly I am not here to defend Rizwan at all, I look at him just like any other player in the team. It's upto selectors to pick the deserving players, if they don't have guts to pick better players then they should be replaced. Secondly it's upto captain and management to decide which players to go with in the eleven. And if they are not doing their job properly they should also be held accountable and I have said it many times here that Babar is not captain material at all.

So coming back to today's match, forget the difference you are talking about. Fakhar flopped completely, playing 7 deliveries for a duck. Imam and Haris flopped too, I didn't like Rizwan's innings at all and Babar's knock was just pain.

So what I am trying to say is that majority of the players didn't perform today so singling out only one player is wrong. Seems like some posters have picked players they hate and players the love and keep typing same rubbish in every thread. That's not on.
 
IAJ said:
Firstly I am not here to defend Rizwan at all, I look at him just like any other player in the team. It's upto selectors to pick the deserving players, if they don't have guts to pick better players then they should be replaced. Secondly it's upto captain and management to decide which players to go with in the eleven. And if they are not doing their job properly they should also be held accountable and I have said it many times here that Babar is not captain material at all.

So coming back to today's match, forget the difference you are talking about. Fakhar flopped completely, playing 7 deliveries for a duck. Imam and Haris flopped too, I didn't like Rizwan's innings at all and Babar's knock was just pain.

So what I am trying to say is that majority of the players didn't perform today so singling out only one player is wrong. Seems like some posters have picked players they hate and players the love and keep typing same rubbish in every thread. That's not on.
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I agree with what you said but Rizwan is batting at a crucial spot he was going no where he obviously has issues against spin regarding rotation of strike also think rizwan should either be opening or batting at 5.When fakhar does perform they will proberly get above par total but I can't say the same for rizwan.
 
Kroll said:
Why does everything need to be about accommodating Rizwan? Play him at 6 if you haven't enough bowlers.

Jeez, he got accommodated in T20 by playing as an opener cos he couldn't hack it in the middle overs, now he can't hack it in ODI, so now we're worrying where we can fit him in.
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If we can't fit him In at the opening slot or 5/6 then drop him
 
IAJ said:
Firstly I am not here to defend Rizwan at all, I look at him just like any other player in the team. It's upto selectors to pick the deserving players, if they don't have guts to pick better players then they should be replaced. Secondly it's upto captain and management to decide which players to go with in the eleven. And if they are not doing their job properly they should also be held accountable and I have said it many times here that Babar is not captain material at all.

So coming back to today's match, forget the difference you are talking about. Fakhar flopped completely, playing 7 deliveries for a duck. Imam and Haris flopped too, I didn't like Rizwan's innings at all and Babar's knock was just pain.

So what I am trying to say is that majority of the players didn't perform today so singling out only one player is wrong. Seems like some posters have picked players they hate and players the love and keep typing same rubbish in every thread. That's not on.
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Excellent post couldn’t have said it any better. Last game when rizwan scored people were making excuses that he was dropped. I bet Babar had got out early poster would have been saying he can’t play of tough pitches.

Poster have one rule for certain players and another for others.
 
Four is a terrible position for Rizwan.

Should be opening or at five.
 
He should bat behind the late order hitters. Since he needs to take his time, let’s hope everyone puts the match safe and Riz can come in, “take his time” and see off the end
 
IAJ said:
Firstly I am not here to defend Rizwan at all, I look at him just like any other player in the team. It's upto selectors to pick the deserving players, if they don't have guts to pick better players then they should be replaced. Secondly it's upto captain and management to decide which players to go with in the eleven. And if they are not doing their job properly they should also be held accountable and I have said it many times here that Babar is not captain material at all.

So coming back to today's match, forget the difference you are talking about. Fakhar flopped completely, playing 7 deliveries for a duck. Imam and Haris flopped too, I didn't like Rizwan's innings at all and Babar's knock was just pain.

So what I am trying to say is that majority of the players didn't perform today so singling out only one player is wrong. Seems like some posters have picked players they hate and players the love and keep typing same rubbish in every thread. That's not on.
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Except you’ve come here and all you’ve done is errrm defend Rizwan.

The Rizwan cult spent the last match waxing lyrical about his great (imo poor and scratchy) innings in the last match. So let’s forget the last match and talk about this one.
 
Rizwan is a gun T20I bat. Very consistent batter for that strike rate.
He is also one of the best if not the best in tests Pakistan had as his averages suggest.
I am not sure why his ODI record is so poor. May be his game against spin has some weakness and it is in ODIs that he has to face a lot of spin in middle overs.
 
Rizwan in not good enough to be batting 4 in ODIs, takes to long to get going. Same issues with imam and babar. You can't have 3 snails in your top 4 in ODIs.
 
SamNJ said:
Rizwan is a gun T20I bat. Very consistent batter for that strike rate.
He is also one of the best if not the best in tests Pakistan had as his averages suggest.
I am not sure why his ODI record is so poor. May be his game against spin has some weakness and it is in ODIs that he has to face a lot of spin in middle overs.
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Yeah I love his 50 ball hundreds
 
Amjid Javed said:
Rizwan in not good enough to be batting 4 in ODIs, takes to long to get going. Same issues with imam and babar. You can't have 3 snails in your top 4 in ODIs.
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Its a disgrace to legends like Inzimam, Yousuf, Miandad and even Saleem Malik to have a player of Rizwan's caliber occupying that spot
 
SamNJ said:
Yes he is not Gayle, ABDV or SKY but he is still one of the best openers in cricket. The kind of consistency he brings is very rare.
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No he isn't

He is one of the most limited and to go with it, selfish openers in T20 cricket. The T20 world cup proves that he has been taking all of the world for a ride and he has a die hard cult following that spreads propaganda on his behalf

oh its true, its damn true!
 
Rana said:
Its a disgrace to legends like Inzimam, Yousuf, Miandad and even Saleem Malik to have a player of Rizwan's caliber occupying that spot
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100% agree, id rather an inform kamran ghulam be tried out in this position.
 
Amjid Javed said:
100% agree, id rather an inform kamran ghulam be tried out in this position.
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Bro the PCB are a joke

They didn’t select another keeper and now they are stuck with Rizwan. Realistically you could have had Muhammad Harris play at 6 or 7, and then KG replace Agha or Harris. That way. KG can bat at 4, and Harris Sohail at 5

This fascination of not picking a reserve keeper is destroying our cricket!
 
Rana said:
Can’t play on the off

Can’t play pace above 140

Can’t play swing

Can’t play spin

Basically, just can’t bat I’m afraid
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This is actually true.

An odd/slow knock from Babar is tolerable for me. Why, because he's a proper batter, can play shots all across the ground and doesn't struggle vs genuine pace at least.

Rizwan is an imposter.

Can't bat.

We're wasting a solid aggressive opener when Riz opens.

We're wasting a solid middle order batter when Riz plays at 4 or 5.

You just can't hide Rizwan.
 
As I said earlier - if Rizwan tameez se played as a regular keeper who bats at 7 and we treat his runs as a bonus at number 7, then no one will really complain. But when you give him the role of the second most important batsman in the team then you will have complaints.
 
Rana said:
Bro the PCB are a joke

They didn’t select another keeper and now they are stuck with Rizwan. Realistically you could have had Muhammad Harris play at 6 or 7, and then KG replace Agha or Harris. That way. KG can bat at 4, and Harris Sohail at 5

This fascination of not picking a reserve keeper is destroying our cricket!
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It's the friendship ring you get in all teams, rizwan should be nowhere near ODI team but because he's mated with babar and was VC before they will keep him in team at all costs.

I said this ages ago, current team culture is all about mates and personal milestones rather then playing to win.

Babar, imam and rizwan are all same.
 
Asif321 said:
Can rizwan play at 4? In india . Playing at 4 means playing lot of spin . If he scores like 30 of 55 that will just hinder Pakistan . I like rizwan due to his solid character but can’t deny he has issue with spin and SR
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exactly he either opens the inns or play at 6 or go home.. no place for him in ODIs
 
I see 4 as a pivot position, one which can boost you to target or leave you teetering on the brink. This why you need a proper batsman who can do the former.

Rizwan is not someone who can take the initiative in this very crucial spot or has the skillset.
 
Kroll said:
I see 4 as a pivot position, one which can boost you to target or leave you teetering on the brink. This why you need a proper batsman who can do the former.

Rizwan is not someone who can take the initiative in this very crucial spot or has the skillset.
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Harris Sohail needs to bat 4

Rizwan need to be dropped for either Sarfaraz at 5 or azam khan at 6
 
Naveedahmed1 said:
Harris Sohail needs to bat 4

Rizwan need to be dropped for either Sarfaraz at 5 or azam khan at 6
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Pakistan messed up these middle order for a long while starting with Misbah then others Haris Umar Akmal and Sarfraz in Asia due to his ability to play spin should always have been there instead of Khushdil Asif Danish and others.

I would even open with Umar Akmal but our great Imam won’t be getting dropped which means Umar Haris and Sarfraz can bat at 4 5 6 and flip flop positions depending on the conditions and scoreboard.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Rizwan in not good enough to be batting 4 in ODIs, takes to long to get going. Same issues with imam and babar. You can't have 3 snails in your top 4 in ODIs.
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This was the best time to try Tayyab Tahir at no.4 but our think tank is dumb.
 
More often than not with Imam, Babar and Rizwan as three out of your top four you aren't going to get many risks or big team totals if these guys bat most of the overs.

There needs to be a re-think.
 
Providing good support to Fakhar and also improving his SR in the 3rd ODI
 
Saj said:
More often than not with Imam, Babar and Rizwan as three out of your top four you aren't going to get many risks or big team totals if these guys bat most of the overs.

There needs to be a re-think.
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MenInG said:
And for Pakistan too

Good to see he is playing with a lot of resolve.
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Pakistan will never be a team that constantly scores 350-400 in ODIs. We just dont have those kind of players at our disposal.

Our best chance would be to aim for 275-325 and then let our 5/6 man decent bowling attack do the business.
 
hahahahah what was that dismissal? Trying to ramp a leg spinner on the off? :))
 
Good innings that today.

Trying to be too fancy for the dismissal but he did his job.

Showed urgency from the start and has set Pakistan up nicely for a good total.
 
A mainstay in ODI lineup! Key player for the WC. Him, Fakhar, and Babar. We're struggling to find a 2nd opener and another middle order batsman though - unless we just go with Imam. I think if Rizwan's fitness was elite, we could open with him, but currently there's no way that will work given he keeps 50 overs right before when fielding first.
 
Excellent innings by the greatest Pakistan wk. His haters can keep crying. Long may it continue IN SHA ALLAH.
 
Excellent innings under the circumstances. Came in when Pakistan were 21-2 in 7 overs and finished with a SR of 102.

He has silenced his critics big time in this series. Hopefully he can keep delivering at 4 going into the World Cup.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Excellent innings under the circumstances. Came in when Pakistan were 21-2 in 7 overs and finished with a SR of 102.

He has silenced his critics big time in this series. Hopefully he can keep delivering at 4 going into the World Cup.
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His critics know nothing about cricket.
 
Saj said:
Good innings that today.

Trying to be too fancy for the dismissal but he did his job.

Showed urgency from the start and has set Pakistan up nicely for a good total.
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His dismissal

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Great knock with a SR over 100. That's what we want from our players. Good century by Fakhar as well and the partnership was excellent after quick wickets upfront.
 
IAJ said:
Great knock with a SR over 100. That's what we want from our players. Good century by Fakhar as well and the partnership was excellent after quick wickets upfront.
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Once he departed Pakistan back to normal.
 
Rana said:
Who asked him to try and play volleyball with the ball and the bails against a leggie?
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Yeah he should never get out he should always finish the match he should even give gloves to haris and retire from cricket. You criticise always so atleast acknowledge that he played a good innings today when your poster boy haris failed yet again and showed lethargic attitude while on yhe field.
 
MenInG said:
His dismissal

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Funny to see him this clueless playing a shot on the off side.

Seriously needs to work on that.

Good innings today overall, but as always it takes a mountain of criticism for him to ditch the selfishness and play for the team
 
Rana said:
This is going to be a big problem for Pakistan going forward
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This is the problem - bilateral face saving knock but the choke and selfish batting will come out for the tournaments
 
TheSultan said:
This is the problem - bilateral face saving knock but the choke and selfish batting will come out for the tournaments
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Tracks in India will become rank turners by the 3rd, 4th match per team as well
 
Lets be real.

If this shot had been played by someone else most of the posters here who are criticising Rizwan would have said it showed his intent and how it wasnt selfish.

Overall Rizwan is a limited batter but may come good if he knuckles down to improve his game.

He is not a messiah as some proclaim nor is he as bad as detractors want us to believe.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Lets be real.

If this shot had been played by someone else most of the posters here who are criticising Rizwan would have said it showed his intent and how it wasnt selfish.

Overall Rizwan is a limited batter but may come good if he knuckles down to improve his game.

He is not a messiah as some proclaim nor is he as bad as detractors want us to believe.
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Keep an eye on the big picture. He scored 77 in good time. Don't be fooled by those with agendas.
 
Poor keeping at the end. Are we going to asterisk his innings with his keeping here too? Or is that just for Sarfraz?
 
TheSultan said:
Poor keeping at the end. Are we going to asterisk his innings with his keeping here too? Or is that just for Sarfraz?
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Lost the game there

I’m sure Pakistan would have cleaned up the last 3 wickets with 35 runs to get on the board
 
Rizwan will never be on the class of Asif Ali.

He played these innings consecutively:
21* off 7 when 24 needed off 16 balls vs WI
25* off 7 when 24 needed off 12 balls vs AFG
27* off 12 when 37 needed off 24 balls vs NZ
TOTAL: 73 runs off 26 balls, SR 280.76 and 9 SIXES!
 
Great contribution today.

Great knock with the bat just when it mattered the most. Knock elevated his position in the team.

Was very unlucky as some of those grabs with the glove that didn't stick.

No wonder his eyes are firmly set on the leadership role.

:inti
 
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