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Mohammad Shami is miles better than Ishant Sharma
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Although he is an indian but he is also a muslim so I would not write him off completely, he has a chance to become a pretty good bowler.
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I was talking about fast bowlers.
I have been watching Shami in recent times and to say I am blown away is an understatement.
Bhuvi took 5fer today and I am so happy for him but the way Shami was bowling.....just wow.
These days, he seems to hurry the batsmen, get more life out of the pitch and sometimes it feels like he is way too fast for the batsmen.
I feel if Shami stays fit, he is onto something.
This is some truly high class stuff.
Shami is one of the few genuine wicket-taking bowlers in the world today. A very underrated bowler.
He's good, but he's not that good. 6/10
He's good, but he's not that good. 6/10
Maybe not Tests yet, but top 3 in ODIs. His improvement has been quite rapid.
Even in tests.
Maybe not Tests yet, but top 3 in ODIs. His improvement has been quite rapid.
Wouldn't quite say top 3. Definitely India's best pacer in ODIs. In terms of world rankings, he's probably around top 20.
Agreed; he is behind about 19 Pakistanis.
Surely in Top 5 Pacers in Odi's and in Top 3-4 Pacers from Sub Continent in Odi's. Record & Strike Rate Speaks.
Wahab?
Seriously?
I disagree with the Top 5 pacers in ODIs. In subcontinent, yes.
IMO in subcontinent:
1. Amir (unplayable among Asian teams)
2. Mustafizur (Good young talent)
3. Wahab (Like Amir, only non-Asian teams play him well. Besides Australia.)
4. Shami
I disagree with the Top 5 pacers in ODIs. In subcontinent, yes.
IMO in subcontinent:
1. Amir (unplayable among Asian teams)
2. Mustafizur (Good young talent)
3. Wahab (Like Amir, only non-Asian teams play him well. Besides Australia.)
4. Shami
Since his comeback, Amir has 11 wickets at an average of 26.27. Mustafizur got 26 wickets at an average of 12.35 in 2015 (he hasn't played a match in 2016). But Amir is better than him for some unknown reason.
Shami got 19 wickets at an average of 20.63 last year (hasn't played a match this year). Wahab got 32 wickets at an average of 27.44 last year and 3 wickets at 110.33 this year.
In subcontinent fizz is ten times better bowler than a overrated bowler like amir. It's not even a competition. Lol
Against Asian teams. Especially Ban and SL. He averages 21 with an economy of 5 against them.Did U seriously bother to reply that post with stats? He considers Wahab as no 3 bowler from Asia in Odis, lol.......... Nuff said
On PP, Amir is underrated and Fizz is overrated. Around the world, Shami is underrated. Top 5 fast bowler from Asia and Top 15 fast bowler in ODIs.
U can believe whatever u want. But that won't change the fact that fizz is miles ahead of Amir in both Odis and t20s. We all saw how he got thrashed around in last t20 world Cup. Yes that was t20 tournament not Odis, but even if it was an odi tournament I m pretty much certain that he would've received similar humiliating treatment by the batters.
Wahab?
Seriously?
His stats don't do justice to how good he has been. With Umesh, Ishant and Bhuvi, this Indian pace attack looks quite decent.
What has Amir done in his career to prove he is the best Asian fast bowler?Quality pacer. Has the ability to go on and match Zaheer Khan, who is India's best ever pacer.
Amir, Riaz, Shami and Mustafizur are the best Asian pacers currently.
What has Amir done in his career to prove he is the best Asian fast bowler?
Rahat Ali was reverse swinging the new ball in UAE.I was wondering how Shami got so much reverse swing after 8 overs with the new ball. Now that i can think of it, i remember he bowled quite a few cross seam balls in the inital 2-3 overs and the 5th day pitch was a dry mars crater which roughed up the ball very very quickly. I was genuinely surprised.
Also, i think he is not tall enough so the ball kind of skids on to the batsman.
I was wondering how Shami got so much reverse swing after 8 overs with the new ball. Now that i can think of it, i remember he bowled quite a few cross seam balls in the inital 2-3 overs and the 5th day pitch was a dry mars crater which roughed up the ball very very quickly. I was genuinely surprised.
Also, i think he is not tall enough so the ball kind of skids on to the batsman.
What has Amir done in his career to prove he is the best Asian fast bowler?
It was probably just conventional swing. Reverse swing as early as the 8th over of a test innings is unheard of.
Please explain how is that possible. Please enlighten us.
Depends on conditions. On flat tracks I would take Riaz. On pitches that offer a bit for the bowlers, I would take Bhuvi.Riaz is the funny inclusion from that lot. I'll take Bhuvi over him in tests any day.
Shami is arguably the standout.Bowl better than the rest. Never said he's the best, read more carefully next time. Amir, Riaz, Shami and Fizz are all on the same level these days with each of them having strengths and weaknesses. No standout great bowler as of now.
At most can say GOOD. Not great at all.
Who would you rate more? Shami or Taskin/Mustafiz?
Quality pacer. Has the ability to go on and match Zaheer Khan, who is India's best ever pacer.
Amir, Riaz, Shami and Mustafizur are the best Asian pacers currently.
I disagree with the Top 5 pacers in ODIs. In subcontinent, yes.
IMO in subcontinent:
1. Amir (unplayable among Asian teams)
2. Mustafizur (Good young talent)
3. Wahab (Like Amir, only non-Asian teams play him well. Besides Australia.)
4. Shami
Why aren't people including Dhammika Prasad while talking about the top asian pacers?
Thought he had a very good series against India and Pakistan at home.
Why aren't people including Dhammika Prasad while talking about the top asian pacers?
Thought he had a very good series against India and Pakistan at home.
PALLEKELE: If he was not beating the bat with his unplayable outswingers, he was terrorising them with bouncers.
In a memorable performance, Mohammad Shami, firing in 'thunderbolts' at 146 kmph, took 5/49 in the game. In fact, so good was India's new-ball pair, with the equally quick Umesh Yadav at the other end that the Lankans could have been thought they were playing on the seaming, green tracks in England, as Lankan skipper Dinesh Chandimal said.
"The first spell by (Mohammad) Shami and Umesh (Yadav) was brilliant. At one point, we thought as if we were playing in England," complimented Lankan skipper Dinesh Chandimal.
Taking 10 wickets in three Tests at 17.70, Shami, and to an extent Yadav, provided exactly the kind of new-ball performance which skipper Virat Kohli wanted from him - to soften up batsmen before the spinners came into play.
Having faced the likes of Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Starc, Dale Steyn and Mohammad Amir, Kohli knows a thing or two about serious pace. "I certainly rate Shami in the top three, for sure, because of his wicket-taking ability, and the kind of impact he has on games.
"When he makes up his mind to come out and give it his 120 percent, then he can bowl like this -145, 140 clicks on a regular basis and troubling the batsmen. It is not just reckless bowling," praised Kohli. Not many Indian pacers, barring Javagal Srinath and Zaheer Khan, have been spoken about that highly by a top-class batsman in world cricket.
"He's a quality bowler. He has all the ingredients of becoming a consistent world-class bowler, provided the fitness factor can be maintained and hopefully he is not hampered with any more injuries. He is a very valuable bowler for us and when he is on song, it's delightful to watch. We all really enjoy standing on the field and watching him bowl like that, he is very special," gushed the Indian captain about his premier pace bowler.
While the world is awed by the skills and pace of Pakistan's Amir or South African ace Kagiso Rabada, Shami too counts himself in as someone whom a lot of batsmen in the world would rather not face.
Clearly, India need to preserve this 26-year-old, who could be the main weapon overseas. Considering Shami's wobbly knees -he found it difficult to even walk while recuperating from an injury last year -India are doing well to not play him in limited overs cricket.
It's not often that you find an Indian pacer breaking stumps, bones and hurrying the fearful batsmen into their shots. Shami's graduation into a world-class fast bowler might just bring India a bit more joy next year, when they travel outside Asia for tougher ventures.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-pacers-in-the-world/articleshow/60068386.cms
I have always seen him huffing and puffing and running around like an old man whenever he is bowling or fielding. His fitness always looked suspect and just recently i came across this image.
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His birth year written in this image is 1982 which makes him a 36 year old. Also, on further research i found that even his wife has accused him of fudging and lying about his age.
How is this guy getting away like that with faking his age? I mean one might understand a 2 years difference but this is an 8 year difference from his age taken from google.
Shoaib was hitting 150 in his late 30s, it’s possible to bowl at that pace in your mid to late 30s but I don’t know what Shami’s real age is but he’s clearly not 28
No way does he look 28 does Shami.
Not sure how he slipped through the crank, Indian cricket has not had this age issue with anybody else.
Shami is barred from bowling more than 15 overs per innings I ranjit game by BCCI to preserve his fitness for Aus tour. Though ingenious decision it feels like bending rules of cricket.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.cr...nings-in-ranji-trophy-australia-vs-india-2018
Is their a precedent for it?
Good, kohli has really changed bcci's stance on fast bowlers, good to see bcci taking care of our best bowler in tests.Indian seamer Mohammed Shami has been allowed to play the Ranji Trophy Elite Group B match for Bengal against Kerala starting from Tuesday at Eden Gardens by the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) but on one condition – he will be allowed to bowl 15 overs per innings, with a “grace” of not more than two or three overs, according to a report by Cricbuzz.
With the pacer selected in India’s squad for the Test series against Australia starting next month, the BCCI has put forth the condition to ensure he remains fit for the series. The report adds that the BCCI has directed the Bengal team management to send a fitness and workload report of the bowler to the board physio after the end of each day’s play during the Ranji match.
The conditions ensued on Shami have been accepted by the Bengal team, and the right-armer has been included in the 16-member squad announced on Friday. After the selection committee meeting at the Cricket Association of Bengal on Friday, Bengal captain Manoj Tiwary welcomed the seamer in the squad.
“India obviously comes first and we have to respect what the BCCI has said,” he was quoted as saying by Cricbuzz. The captain added that 15 overs are more than enough for the bowler to inflict some damage on the opposition. “I don’t think he (Shami) will need so many overs. We are confident about his ability and with the type of result-oriented pitch we are planning to play on in this match, I believe he will do the job along with the other bowlers,” he said.
With the 3-match T20I series against Australia set to begin from November 21, Indian cricket team has already reached Australia. The Test series between the two teams will begin from December 4, with the first Test set to take place in Adelaide.
https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ophy-overs-bengal-india-vs-australia-5451246/