What's new

Mohammad Yousuf "I've heard that Babar Azam was crying after the defeat to Afghanistan"

Zaheer Khan has told this is not Babar's fault in cricbuzz. He made some mistakes on the field. ALmost all past Pak captains have had their share of mistakes. Just that individual performances managed to overcome those mistakes. Babar has no such individuals at his disposal. Most of them are average to below average.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Zaheer Khan has told this is not Babar's fault in cricbuzz. He made some mistakes on the field. ALmost all past Pak captains have had their share of mistakes. Just that individual performances managed to overcome those mistakes. Babar has no such individuals at his disposal. Most of them are average to below average.
Click to expand...
Zaheer Khan being overly optimistic lol.

These guys are fat, they have no confidence, Theirs no unity, their not even a management, mickey isn't anything besides a cake buddy, he has no role, neither does Bradburn.

In 2019 wc if we lost a game, it was due to skill set. Teams were superior in skill.

In 2023 its both skill set and mindset. We threw the towel since the Asia cup India defeat. It was game over since then. Sri lanka game gave us a bit of hope but India once again reverted the stage, afg was the final nail in the coffin
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Empty tears. When you play without 100% effort and preparation no sympathy. These 11 in that match are forever blighted with that performance now.
Click to expand...

I still don't understand one thing. True fans saw this coming, but what we didn't see coming was the weight gain.

Did no 1 rank really give that much of an ego boost that they forgoe any fitness?

Babar has a pot belly, Rizwan looks bloated, Imam is a balloon, Sheddy got that double chin, chacha looks a bit bloated, even nawaz, Rauf and shaheen look like 1 or 2 pounds have been gained.

Jesus christ.
 
Saj said:
It wasn't just Babar who burst into tears in the dressing room after the match.

Several Pakistani players were crying in the changing room.
Click to expand...
after India defeat to NZ during 2019 WC, Dhoni, Pant and Pandya were seen crying. It is normal. These are competitive cricketers who take pride in their abilities. They are representing their country on the biggest stage. It is not shame to cry when they fail to live up to their standard.
 
Saj said:
It wasn't just Babar who burst into tears in the dressing room after the match.

Several Pakistani players were crying in the changing room.
Click to expand...
It really is ridiculous that people sit there typing on their computers accusing these same players of only being interested in their personal scores.

These are our finest cricketers and whatever mistakes were made it doesn't mean in the slightest that they didn't give it their all.

I am with our boys during this time and remain a Pakistan fan whatever happens.

The same can't be said about small parts of our fanbase who are toxic and can't keep Babar's name out of their mouth even for a moment...like he isn't one of the best cricketers our pathetic nation has ever produced.
 
This is something that Babar does after every game.....

Well Babar, you had a staff that advised you to go with Abrar, Saim Ayub. You did not listen...

If he cant take it and has to cry than maybe just resign. Like you had played previous ICC events, didnt you find out that you suck by than?
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Empty tears. When you play without 100% effort and preparation no sympathy. These 11 in that match are forever blighted with that performance now.
Click to expand...
come on man.. it is not like AFG showed up there to lose every match. They had already beaten Eng and had come very close to beating Pak few times before. They were saved either due to AFG's inexperience or some individual brilliances. It was bound to happen. Pak was pathetic that day in both setting target and defending. But its not like they were beaten by an associate. AFG is a decent team who lack experience. They have players to compete against the best.
 
SportsWarrior said:
after India defeat to NZ during 2019 WC, Dhoni, Pant and Pandya were seen crying. It is normal. These are competitive cricketers who take pride in their abilities. They are representing their country on the biggest stage. It is not shame to cry when they fail to live up to their standard.
Click to expand...
thats different. Dhoni is an ATG captain. He knows what he is doing. If he sucked as a captain, im pretty sure he would had given up the role to someone else.

Our captain is not only a bad captain, but he is dumb. He is soo dumb that he didnt listen to the advice of experienced guys and went with his own little bunch of people. Bhai, there are posters here that were saying that if Shadab and Nawaz cant spin on Sri Lanka spinning tracks, how will they spin on Indian tracks?
 
SportsWarrior said:
come on man.. it is not like AFG showed up there to lose every match. They had already beaten Eng and had come very close to beating Pak few times before. They were saved either due to AFG's inexperience or some individual brilliances. It was bound to happen. Pak was pathetic that day in both setting target and defending. But its not like they were beaten by an associate. AFG is a decent team who lack experience. They have players to compete against the best.
Click to expand...

Pakistan had every advantage and knew all their players. Its a shameful performance no excuses.
 
One could have excused this travesty if the team prepared for the World Cup and gave them best. Instead, they allowed the flimsy ICC rankings to delude them and decided not to prepare. Team selection was made on the basis of friendship and even when the red flags flashed after the Asia Cup shamble, Babar insisted on selecting the same Buddies XI.

Babar needs to own up his mistakes and resign. This is not Bollywood where a little cry on screen can gain the sympathy of the audience. This is the real world and decisions have consequences.
 
SportsWarrior said:
come on man.. it is not like AFG showed up there to lose every match. They had already beaten Eng and had come very close to beating Pak few times before. They were saved either due to AFG's inexperience or some individual brilliances. It was bound to happen. Pak was pathetic that day in both setting target and defending. But its not like they were beaten by an associate. AFG is a decent team who lack experience. They have players to compete against the best.
Click to expand...
Im glad that it is Afghanistan team that made Babar and co cry. There egos against the Afghans got destroyed. It was soo funny seeing the team panic because you can tell how Pakistan did not want to lose against Afghanistan. The Afghanis were more cunning, they also did not attack in a way that they would throw their wicket. Pakistan was waiting for Rehmat and Hashmat to make a mistake, but what happened was Babar was the one who made the mistake.

@mominsaigol you missed out on a very good run chase. Forget Pakistan, you should had seen the way the two Afghans batted
 
Major said:
Im glad that it is Afghanistan team that made Babar and co cry. There egos against the Afghans got destroyed. It was soo funny seeing the team panic because you can tell how Pakistan did not want to lose against Afghanistan. The Afghanis were more cunning, they also did not attack in a way that they would throw their wicket. Pakistan was waiting for Rehmat and Hashmat to make a mistake, but what happened was Babar was the one who made the mistake.

@mominsaigol you missed out on a very good run chase. Forget Pakistan, you should had seen the way the two Afghans batted
Click to expand...
Bro I saw the highlights. I already knew Afghans would win.

My dad has been watching cricket longer then I have and he's 100× more knowledgeable then I am. He took one look at babar face during fielding and one look at sheddy coming to comfort Rauf and was like yup game over.

The highlights showed me all the hilarious fielding 😂😂.

I even shut off the TV today after Australia batted. No point watching nedtherlands get butchered lol. One aided games are beyond boring.
 
Ramiz OR M.Waugh
Imam Imam
Imran(c) Martyn
Rizwan + Rizwan +
Saleem S.Waugh c
Iftikhar Iftikhar
Shadab Moody
Ijaz Shadab
Rauf Rauf
Aqib Reiffel
Hassan Usama

These teams would not have won WC, the Australian trio of Waughs and Martyn do add substance to batting but an attack in which Rauf Shadab Usama has to bowl atleast 25 overs is dead garbage, no chance
 
Yousaf is a bit of a softy who will go soft when someone tells him an emotional sob stories. The players know that there days of dosti yaari, comfort zones are going to be over and are resorting to these tactics out of desperation. Hopefully the PCB comes down hard on everyone once the team comes home.
 
muqarrab said:
Team should stop worrying about the WC and find the dressing room leaker. This is just pathetic.

Also, why do we have a social media guy with the team?
Click to expand...
We need to find whoever is leaking and never let them near Pakistani cricket ever again. Leaking this filth to the media is both disgraceful and will further hurt the team.
 
Major said:
Im glad that it is Afghanistan team that made Babar and co cry. There egos against the Afghans got destroyed. It was soo funny seeing the team panic because you can tell how Pakistan did not want to lose against Afghanistan. The Afghanis were more cunning, they also did not attack in a way that they would throw their wicket. Pakistan was waiting for Rehmat and Hashmat to make a mistake, but what happened was Babar was the one who made the mistake.

@mominsaigol you missed out on a very good run chase. Forget Pakistan, you should had seen the way the two Afghans batted
Click to expand...
yeah, Afg played very well. It was a clinical chase which Kohli or Dhoni would have been proud about. I was waiting for a mistake to happen. I kept telling my family, just wait for them to lose a wicket and they will more in bunch. But every batsman who came, played so confidently and maturily. that is why said, pak was outplayed. But still Pak needs to be supported so that they can atleast finish well
 
Why are players crying? Pakistan is still not out of WC. Normally I have seen players crying when they crash out of tournament.

Yes, it depends on other teams, but still.
 
Buffet said:
Why are players crying? Pakistan is still not out of WC. Normally I have seen players crying when they crash out of tournament.

Yes, it depends on other teams, but still.
Click to expand...
ego that Afghanistan cant beat them as they are below us.......
 
Major said:
This is something that Babar does after every game.....

Well Babar, you had a staff that advised you to go with Abrar, Saim Ayub. You did not listen...

If he cant take it and has to cry than maybe just resign. Like you had played previous ICC events, didnt you find out that you suck by than?
Click to expand...
Tbf In those previous icc games he reached semi-final and 2 finals, but the context of that was ignored.


Its only now that everything is being exposed and the high horse being kicked of his pedastal.
 
Exactly as I expected. As I said it was gonna end in tears after what we witnessed last year in the WT20. The final appearance didn’t paper over the cracks.

The defeat to Zimbabwe should’ve been the end of Babar’s stint as captain. It wasn’t an one off loss.

They’re were going to be ruthlessly exposed in this WC due to the nature of the format. You have to play everyone participating in the tournament so you’ve got nowhere to hide.

This wasn’t a team, it was a clique led by Captain Milestone.

Pakistan cricket needs a hard reset.
 
Major said:
ego that Afghanistan cant beat them as they are below us.......
Click to expand...

Nothing to do with that. It’s because they know they’re out of the WC.

It’s the hope and expectation after reaching the final last year in the WT20. They’ve now been brought back to Earth.
 
I feel for some of these players, I feel pressure just playing a park league game.

BUT this is international sport which is cut throat and ruthless. If you don’t give it your 100% and are not mentally tough then you will be eaten alive. That’s what makes the difference between the average and the elite - the heart and mindset.

I wonder if some of the players who cried were the same ones who visibly made no effort in the field.

I feel for Babar he seems like someone who is genuine and gives his best effort, captaincy is a different beast though and he just needs to accept he’s not captaincy material and just focus on his batting.
 
topspin said:
Exactly as I expected. As I said it was gonna end in tears after what we witnessed last year in the WT20. The final appearance didn’t paper over the cracks.

The defeat to Zimbabwe should’ve been the end of Babar’s stint as captain. It wasn’t an one off loss.

They’re were going to be ruthlessly exposed in this WC due to the nature of the format. You have to play everyone participating in the tournament so you’ve got nowhere to hide.

This wasn’t a team, it was a clique led by Captain Milestone.

Pakistan cricket needs a hard reset.
Click to expand...
The WC t20 2022 was the dumbest luck possible and posters still defended it.

Now that the system is fair, everything ends in tears.

^^ And yes I was trying to rhyme 👀
 
Buffet said:
Why are players crying? Pakistan is still not out of WC. Normally I have seen players crying when they crash out of tournament.

Yes, it depends on other teams, but still.
Click to expand...
Because the reality is exposed.

All those constant yt videos about no 1 rank and cake celebrations and everyone being on their high horse and how their a champion team and what not

Reality was brutally exposed and now dosti yaari culture is being brought to light by everyone in the media.

Babar captaincy has been exposed completly, his nepotisitic corruption brought to light.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because the reality is exposed.

All those constant yt videos about no 1 rank and cake celebrations and everyone being on their high horse and how their a champion team and what not

Reality was brutally exposed and now dosti yaari culture is being brought to light by everyone in the media.

Babar captaincy has been exposed completly, his nepotisitic corruption brought to light.
Click to expand...

Does anyone remember when they toured Netherlands? The entire first team squad went for a holiday. Apart from the T20 series against Afg they never tried out new players and gave them an extended run.

3 years they had to prepare for this WC and they arrived unfit and out of form.
 
160KPH said:
We need to find whoever is leaking and never let them near Pakistani cricket ever again. Leaking this filth to the media is both disgraceful and will further hurt the team.
Click to expand...
Someone's father in law in the team was renowned for leaking dressing room details to the media.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Does anyone remember when they toured Netherlands? The entire first team squad went for a holiday. Apart from the T20 series against Afg they never tried out new players and gave them an extended run.

3 years they had to prepare for this WC and they arrived unfit and out of form.
Click to expand...
NZ playing 2nd string cultivated darly Mitchell, Mark Chapman, matt Henry, Devon Conway etc and incorporated them into 1st string, that's the whole point of playing 2nd string, to groom and bring them up to speed into your 2st string teams so that you have backups for your legends retiring.

Nz didn't care about losing 4-1 to Pakistan, that's not what they were trying to do lol.

We used the afg loss to say oh hahaha now you know why we need babar and rizzu, in reality in the 3rd t20 saim blossomed and single handidelt dismantled the entire afg team. Tayyab, Haris etc would have blossomed eventually after extended runs

Joke of a nepotisitc team
 
I wonder where Technics is, he usually comes to troll at this time saying I'm not a pakistani supporter. Weird argument, never said I was. I made it very clear I support aus and NZ as teams.😂😂.
 
mominsaigol said:
The WC t20 2022 was the dumbest luck possible and posters still defended it.

Now that the system is fair, everything ends in tears.

^^ And yes I was trying to rhyme 👀
Click to expand...
It was so baffling to see so many fans here at the time go bhangra and have their heads in the clouds. I wished South Africa didn't lose to Netherlands. There's no doubt would've been forced to replace Babar with a white ball captain and perhaps this WC wouldn't have been so miserable.
 
It was a big defeat and must have been debilitating for the side. Not surprised he cried; the pain of losing is bad enough but its compounded by the fact that you know you are going to be facing vitriol for a very long time.
 
topspin said:
It was so baffling to see so many fans here at the time go bhangra and have their heads in the clouds. I wished South Africa didn't lose to Netherlands. There's no doubt would've been forced to replace Babar with a white ball captain and perhaps this WC wouldn't have been so miserable.
Click to expand...

Tbf champions trophy 2017, wc 1992 also had insane dumb luck. But that luck was capitalised on. In 1992 and 2017 once we got to semi's they were genuine wins.

2022 had even more dumb luck then then 2017 and 1992, but we still were playing like the group stages. So that luck was to run out.

1992 and 2017 just needed the opportunity to get into semi's to play like a champions team, 2022 got the opportunity but still wasn't playing like a champions team. That was the difference.
 
why are they crying?

if they have prepared as they should have, if they gave it all the could have, then whatever happened is beyond their control and thus they have no culpability.

on the contrary if they realise that they have not trained as hard as they could have, and taken things for granted, then crying wont reverse the mistakes they have made.

the only time a man has a pass to cry IMO is on the death of a loved one.
 
People don't understand why Australia even during their absolute lowest like in 2011 has and always will be a champions team.

We Australian folkes aren't laid back because we're lazy, if we were lazy, we wouldn't be among the top 5 most powerful countries in the world despite having 80% of our land being uninhabitable and having only 25 million people, karachi alone has a bigger population then our entire country.

We are laid back because we are taught not to take such drama seriously. Life will hit you but get back up and learn from the mistakes so you don't get hit by the same attack again.

Every citizen including the Australian cricket team employs this. 2023 Australian team is a has been team but still playing like champions and trust me, you will see big Big changes by the time 2027 rolls in.

In 2011 when Ricky lost, while he was upset he coached Micheal clark and created another winning team in 2015. He didn't go Cry to the media and cry in the dressing room.

Our players take things way to seriously and when they get hit, they stay hit, on the off-chance they get back, they don't learn why they got hit, and they get hit by the same attack again

That is exactly what is happening to babar, and what happened to misbah as well. You'll never see this happen to Australia. Max we'll get hit but we'll move forward.

You gotta be laid back man, cool your head rather then crying, it ain't a big deal. Just get back up and learn.

^^ Just do this and Pakistan cricket team is golden but naw, Eternal rebuilding phase since 2011 lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
People don't understand why Australia even during their absolute lowest like in 2011 has and always will be a champions team.

We Australian folkes aren't laid back because we're lazy, if we were lazy, we wouldn't be among the top 5 most powerful countries in the world despite having 80% of our land being uninhabitable and having only 25 million people, karachi alone has a bigger population then our entire country.

We are laid back because we are taught not to take such drama seriously. Life will hit you but get back up and learn from the mistakes so you don't get hit by the same attack again.

Every citizen including the Australian cricket team employs this. 2023 Australian team is a has been team but still playing like champions and trust me, you will see big Big changes by the time 2027 rolls in.

In 2011 when Ricky lost, while he was upset he coached Micheal clark and created another winning team in 2015. He didn't go Cry to the media and cry in the dressing room.

Our players take things way to seriously and when they get hit, they stay hit, on the off-chance they get back, they don't learn why they got hit, and they get hit by the same attack again

That is exactly what is happening to babar, and what happened to misbah as well. You'll never see this happen to Australia. Max we'll get hit but we'll move forward.

You gotta be laid back man, cool your head rather then crying, it ain't a big deal. Just get back up and learn.

^^ Just do this and Pakistan cricket team is golden but naw, Eternal rebuilding phase since 2011 lol.
Click to expand...

Difference is Australia have the ability and confidence and organisation. We have none of these so it doesn't really matter.
 
I am not buying this tripe that they don't care or don't give a 100%. I think they lack skill and temperament, which have nothing to do with effort and caring. This time has too many average players- the likes of Imam, Abdullah, Saud, chacha are average players and Babar himself hasn't looked to be positive and looks to be carrying the hopes of the 250mn,a burden he seems unable to do. Our bowling is below average and barely above the Dutch- the much vaunted SSA has been poor, Hasan Ali isn't on par with Dutch bowlers, and Rauf has **** the bed. The Spinners are awful.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Difference is Australia have the ability and confidence and organisation. We have none of these so it doesn't really matter.
Click to expand...
You don't have those because pakistan culture is a timid and corrupt mindset. Jinnah would be ashamed.

Jinnah was right, their is no power on the planet that can undo pakistan except pakistan itself.

How difficult is it to create a solid organisation and solid resources? Pakistan nearly has the same no of people as the United States and has 30x the resources that Australia has lol. Australia is 80% empty and uninhabitable.

The only difference between these 2 nations in both government, cricket, economic prosperity, Education and honestly whatever is purely mindset.

One wants to establish itself as the top 5 most powerful nations on the world with a strong culture + a background in sports and education.

The other just have greedy corrupt individual la only wanting to care for itself. Pcb is corrupt, government is corrupt, the US and Australian dollar value isn't increasing because of pakistan's declining economy lol, its increasing because USA and aus treat pakistan as a joke.

In all honesty though creating a killer cricket board requires changes in the whole government because the a huge chuck of the government is running the PCB. But the government itself is corrupt. Can't even fix its load shedding problems. How will it fix the cricket?
 
mominsaigol said:
NZ playing 2nd string cultivated darly Mitchell, Mark Chapman, matt Henry, Devon Conway etc and incorporated them into 1st string, that's the whole point of playing 2nd string, to groom and bring them up to speed into your 2st string teams so that you have backups for your legends retiring.

Nz didn't care about losing 4-1 to Pakistan, that's not what they were trying to do lol.

We used the afg loss to say oh hahaha now you know why we need babar and rizzu, in reality in the 3rd t20 saim blossomed and single handidelt dismantled the entire afg team. Tayyab, Haris etc would have blossomed eventually after extended runs

Joke of a nepotisitc team
Click to expand...
Very good point about the Afghanistan t20 series.

We are sold this dream that babar and Riz are the greatest partnership in history.

Then when another new opening pair are given a chance and take a couple of matches to get going, they say haha I told you! Surely you didn’t expect them to become Goats in their first game did you.

What happens after that, neither of them get much a look in from that point.

I mean these guys are so insecure that babar and Riz last minute said “we don’t want to rest” and tried to railroad their way in to that team vs Afghanistan in that series
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf champions trophy 2017, wc 1992 also had insane dumb luck. But that luck was capitalised on. In 1992 and 2017 once we got to semi's they were genuine wins.

2022 had even more dumb luck then then 2017 and 1992, but we still were playing like the group stages. So that luck was to run out.

1992 and 2017 just needed the opportunity to get into semi's to play like a champions team, 2022 got the opportunity but still wasn't playing like a champions team. That was the difference.
Click to expand...
There certainly was moments of fortune in 1992 and 2017. But overall, they played much better cricket. 2022 WT20 side won less than 60% of their matches.

Have you noticed how toxic Misbah's undercover and open book fans are here when it comes to the 2017 success? They say anything to discredit it.
 
ElRaja said:
why are they crying?

if they have prepared as they should have, if they gave it all the could have, then whatever happened is beyond their control and thus they have no culpability.

on the contrary if they realise that they have not trained as hard as they could have, and taken things for granted, then crying wont reverse the mistakes they have made.

the only time a man has a pass to cry IMO is on the death of a loved one.
Click to expand...
It's a natural human reaction to a painful event. 4 years of preparation, anticipation, perspiration and planning buried in 50 overs of the Afghan innings. I think its quite natural. In fact its quite common to see this sort of headline in other sports such as football.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
He's a fake Punjabi.
Click to expand...
Not sure we can say he is a fake punjabi but he needs to be brave like how in general punjabis are just look at his own past players who were brave and wanted to take the game on even rauf for that case he is a pindi punjabi boy can look at akhter how tough he was.
 
Azhar Ali summed it up honestly in the ARY show i.e. If you are giving the captain a lot of powers then you have to hold him accountable as well, give him powers but then also ask him what is your vision, plan, which players do you want, what kind of team do you want to build, where do you want to see the team in the next 3-5 years but don't give someone so much power where he is free to do whatever he wants with no questions asked, this is where the PCB went wrong and Babar lost his way afterwards.
 
apnapind said:
Not sure we can say he is a fake punjabi but he needs to be brave like how in general punjabis are just look at his own past players who were brave and wanted to take the game on even rauf for that case he is a pindi punjabi boy can look at akhter how tough he was.
Click to expand...
Haris Rauf & Shoaib Akhtar are not pure Jutt Punjabis. They are Pothwaris.
 
mominsaigol said:
NZ playing 2nd string cultivated darly Mitchell, Mark Chapman, matt Henry, Devon Conway etc and incorporated them into 1st string, that's the whole point of playing 2nd string, to groom and bring them up to speed into your 2st string teams so that you have backups for your legends retiring.

Nz didn't care about losing 4-1 to Pakistan, that's not what they were trying to do lol.

We used the afg loss to say oh hahaha now you know why we need babar and rizzu, in reality in the 3rd t20 saim blossomed and single handidelt dismantled the entire afg team. Tayyab, Haris etc would have blossomed eventually after extended runs

Joke of a nepotisitc team
Click to expand...

This is exactly what I said when I reviewed this series:

Shadab Khan's captaincy was ruthlessly exposed in the defeat to Afghanistan

Online forum for Pakistani cricket
pakpassion.net pakpassion.net

6. The last contest showed that even a depleted Pakistan team is well ahead of Afghanistan on a conventional white ball pitch, so they must continue to persist with the likes of Saim Ayub, Mohammad Haris and Abdullah Shafique. Discarding them after one series played on turning pitches would be short-sighted and quite frankly a terrible case of mismanagement, as they have each earned a fair chance to showcase their full potential in various conditions.
Click to expand...
 
topspin said:
There certainly was moments of fortune in 1992 and 2017. But overall, they played much better cricket. 2022 WT20 side won less than 60% of their matches.

Have you noticed how toxic Misbah's undercover and open book fans are here when it comes to the 2017 success? They say anything to discredit it.
Click to expand...

In the 2017 CT, that team had experienced players like Amir, Junaid, Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz and the youngsters like Hassan Ali, Imad Wasim had seniors to get guidance from. There was a decent amount of game awareness and confidence in the dressing room and Mickey Arthur had full control over things.

In the present team there is just no quality, Shaheen is exhausted and cannot carry the bowling attack on his own. Hassan is now a trundler and Harris Rauf cannot do anything on these placid Indian Wickets where even someone like Wood is getting slaughtered. Our spin attack is completely non existent and they can't even get Abrar in the team and the lack of impact from our spinners has meant there is just too much pressure on our pace attack to deliver when the conditions are not favourable.

Babar can cry all he wants but he got the team he wanted, he was advised by the Technical committee on the gaps in the team's spin attacks but he arrogantly ignored the suggestions, he has to be held accountable brutally. He should be dropped from the team for a couple of series to be given the message that he is not indispensable
 
Bewal Express said:
I am not buying this tripe that they don't care or don't give a 100%. I think they lack skill and temperament, which have nothing to do with effort and caring. This time has too many average players- the likes of Imam, Abdullah, Saud, chacha are average players and Babar himself hasn't looked to be positive and looks to be carrying the hopes of the 250mn,a burden he seems unable to do. Our bowling is below average and barely above the Dutch- the much vaunted SSA has been poor, Hasan Ali isn't on par with Dutch bowlers, and Rauf has **** the bed. The Spinners are awful.
Click to expand...
Everyone has a ceiling. When you are in the workplace you quickly encounter people who don't have the capability of being promoted despite having 30 years experience and you can also see someone rise to the top despite being young and fresh out of education.

Our players have hit their ceiling in terms of their ability but also mentally. They just don't know how to improve or are mentally cognizant of the fact that they may have to improve.

I saw a panel show segment with Amir, Razzaq and Imad. They seemed to make a point that players are fine before they enter the Pakistan environment and then regress. They blamed this on the PCB, Team environment ( they were making a historic point not just about Babar). They did not seem to be aware that in international cricket one gets very quickly found out and its up to the player to adapt. This runs deep in our cricket ( and national) culture.

The ceiling of a player gets hit quickly and then its decline. I can only think of two players who have actually realised that they need to improve and done something about it - Hafeez but it was too late and Shan Masood who tried but sadly failed.

So I disagree with you in a sense, it has a bit to do with effort and caring, but if one does not have the mental capacity to realise that changes need to be made then nothing can be done. It can't be fixed.
 
South Africa and Australia were playing an ODI series in South Africa just before this WC

Sri lanka played an ODI series just before the WC

India played a 3 match ODI series against Australia just before the WC

Our team did not even have a camp, they were too busy lobbying with the board for their contracts and once they got what they wanted, only then the team flew out to India. Our preperations were absolutely horrendous, no analysis of the IPL games, the fact spin would be a factor on certain venues, some venues will be high scoring games.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Everyone has a ceiling. When you are in the workplace you quickly encounter people who don't have the capability of being promoted despite having 30 years experience and you can also see someone rise to the top despite being young and fresh out of education.

Our players have hit their ceiling in terms of their ability but also mentally. They just don't know how to improve or are mentally cognizant of the fact that they may have to improve.

I saw a panel show segment with Amir, Razzaq and Imad. They seemed to make a point that players are fine before they enter the Pakistan environment and then regress. They blamed this on the PCB, Team environment ( they were making a historic point not just about Babar). They did not seem to be aware that in international cricket one gets very quickly found out and its up to the player to adapt. This runs deep in our cricket ( and national) culture.

The ceiling of a player gets hit quickly and then its decline. I can only think of two players who have actually realised that they need to improve and done something about it - Hafeez but it was too late and Shan Masood who tried but sadly failed.

So I disagree with you in a sense, it has a bit to do with effort and caring, but if one does not have the mental capacity to realise that changes need to be made then nothing can be done. It can't be fixed.
Click to expand...

Imam ul Haq is a classic example, he has been playing international cricket for a good 6-7 years now, he still thinks it is okay to have a strike rate in the low 70's, he is overweight and look at how cockily he defends his stats, his lack of impact with the bat.
 
Savak said:
In the 2017 CT, that team had experienced players like Amir, Junaid, Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz and the youngsters like Hassan Ali, Imad Wasim had seniors to get guidance from. There was a decent amount of game awareness and confidence in the dressing room and Mickey Arthur had full control over things.

In the present team there is just no quality, Shaheen is exhausted and cannot carry the bowling attack on his own. Hassan is now a trundler and Harris Rauf cannot do anything on these placid Indian Wickets where even someone like Wood is getting slaughtered. Our spin attack is completely non existent and they can't even get Abrar in the team and the lack of impact from our spinners has meant there is just too much pressure on our pace attack to deliver when the conditions are not favourable.

Babar can cry all he wants but he got the team he wanted, he was advised by the Technical committee on the gaps in the team's spin attacks but he arrogantly ignored the suggestions, he has to be held accountable brutally. He should be dropped from the team for a couple of series to be given the message that he is not indispensable
Click to expand...

I certainly think it would be a good idea for Babar to be dropped in white ball cricket for a couple of series, so he gets that message as you say.

One player I don’t want to see play for Pakistan again is Imam. The red flags were there when he came out saying “I’m automatic selection”. I’ve never heard a cricketer have so much arrogance and entitlement. Not even the top players come up with this.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's a natural human reaction to a painful event. 4 years of preparation, anticipation, perspiration and planning buried in 50 overs of the Afghan innings. I think its quite natural. In fact its quite common to see this sort of headline in other sports such as football.
Click to expand...
nah, dont agree, like maybe this is considered toxic masculinity but you gain nothing from crying over events that are out of your control, or over regret of your own past lack of integrity with yourself. i know pak are virtually out, but this tournament aint dead, a real leader believes till the last moment, and even when failure is certain goes down trying and fighting.

i know i am super pessimistic about paks chances but if i was in there id still want to be the cliched cornered tiger rather than a cornered pus.....

also these hopes weren't buried in the 50 overs of the afghan innings, unless the team has a painful level of delusion to match their emotion instability, the signs were evident when the batsmen folded against ind and aus were flaying pak to all parts.
 
It’s not only fine but also good to cry in situations like this.

As long as Babar realizes the problems and somehow gets rid of them in the next games:

- Imam — kick him out
- Nawaz — railu katta mediocrity
- Shadab — railu katta double mediocrity


The rest are not that much at fault.

Rauf is a pathetic bowler yes for ODIs, absolutely brainless just like Wahab Riaz a high speed spray gun. But do we have any alternative?

Maybe Zaman Khan can replace Rauf.
 
mominsaigol said:
I still don't understand one thing. True fans saw this coming, but what we didn't see coming was the weight gain.

Did no 1 rank really give that much of an ego boost that they forgoe any fitness?

Babar has a pot belly, Rizwan looks bloated, Imam is a balloon, Sheddy got that double chin, chacha looks a bit bloated, even nawaz, Rauf and shaheen look like 1 or 2 pounds have been gained.

Jesus christ.
Click to expand...
I somehow did not notice any big/major changes to players becoming more fat. I guess I did not notice things as much. I wonder if anyone has before+after pictures to share.

Fat shaming is bad BUT if you are getting paid to be a fit athlete to represent your nation and you let yourselves go then it is absolutely fair game.
 
Major said:
This is something that Babar does after every game.....

Well Babar, you had a staff that advised you to go with Abrar, Saim Ayub. You did not listen...

If he cant take it and has to cry than maybe just resign. Like you had played previous ICC events, didnt you find out that you suck by than?
Click to expand...
Dude, you are on record here saying that this is pretty much the best team in Pakistan and now you're saying that Abrar and Saim Ayub were missing.

The only reason you are saying this now is because Misbah wanted them .

:facepalm
 
rickroll said:
I somehow did not notice any big/major changes to players becoming more fat. I guess I did not notice things as much. I wonder if anyone has before+after pictures to share.

Fat shaming is bad BUT if you are getting paid to be a fit athlete to represent your nation and you let yourselves go then it is absolutely fair game.
Click to expand...
Fat shaming may be bad but none the less this trend of telling people to be comfortable in their body and that there is nothing wrong with being fat, well diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol don't think so, they will kill you.
 
What a fall from Cornered tigers tag to cornered kittens. Cried after losing a game? He isn't even out of the world cup yet. Pakistan was always known for aggression, unpredictability and volatility. If the captain is feeling pity for himself and crying it's good for him to go. I am a fan of Babar's batting, always have been. I never even got into captaincy debate because there is no alternative. But if he's crying in a corner instead of rallying his team with a battle cry, he better quit captaincy.
 
Babar should have stepped down as captain a long time ago.

He is getting the Sachin treatment as if he Babar is the first batsman in Pakistan history to average above 30…

So desperate for superstars that as soon as we found one with some potential, PCB gave him unchecked power, especially that buffoon Rameez trying to brand him as a Kohli or whatever.

All that unrestrained authority meant his tactics were almost never questioned and now he is crying…

Let someone else have a go and rebuild. You do not have a vision.

Not saying this is the end all solution, but him being leader definitely has been hurting us.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Dude, you are on record here saying that this is pretty much the best team in Pakistan and now you're saying that Abrar and Saim Ayub were missing.

The only reason you are saying this now is because Misbah wanted them .

:facepalm
Click to expand...
If Misbah was so smart he would’ve recommended Abrar Ahmed to play before loosing 3 matches. 🤣 🤣 🤣

I recommended Abrar to play weeks before Misbah even uttered about him.

Only reason Misbah/Major are recommending Abrar now is because he’s the only spinner left in our side. 😂

Ask them a few weeks ago, they would pick Shadab, Nawaz, Mir, Iftikhar, Saud, Imam ul Haq over Abrar. 🤣

:misbah haHahaHa
 
ArabKnight said:
If Misbah was so smart he would’ve recommended Abrar Ahmed to play before loosing 3 matches. 🤣 🤣 🤣

I recommended Abrar to play weeks before Misbah even uttered about him.

Only reason Misbah/Major are recommending Abrar now is because he’s the only spinner left in our side. 😂

Ask them a few weeks ago, they would pick Shadab, Nawaz, Mir, Iftikhar, Saud, Imam ul Haq over Abrar. 🤣

:misbah haHahaHa
Click to expand...
I don't know why people don't get it, that Abrar is in the reserves, he cannot play unless there is a medical emergency for a player in the 15 player main squad. Only ones we haven't tried are Agha and Wasim, and we all know how Wasim is doing these days.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
I don't know why people don't get it, that Abrar is in the reserves, he cannot play unless there is a medical emergency for a player in the 15 player main squad. Only ones we haven't tried are Agha and Wasim, and we all know how Wasim is doing these days.
Click to expand...
It’s not hard to get a medical certificate.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

BouncerGuy
  • Poll Poll
Was Mohammad Haris justified in his comments on Babar Azam?
3 4 5
Replies
388
Views
8K
Rana
Rana
M
Why is Babar Azam not playing the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy?
Replies
41
Views
2K
Farabi
F
Cricket Warrior
[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Babar Azam v2.0: Performance Watch
4 5 6
Replies
414
Views
8K
Human786
H
M
Mohammad Rizwan prepared for South Africa series, Babar Azam didn’t – A Tale of Two Mindsets?
Replies
25
Views
875
shah9425
shah9425
Cricket Warrior
[VIDEO] "Yeh (Babar Azam) out hoga to drama karega": Ramiz Raja
Replies
9
Views
651
Hitman
Hitman
Back
Top