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Mohammed Rizwan vs Kamran Akmal - Who gets into a Pakistani ATG T20I?

Saw a stat the other day that Hafeez and Kamran had the lowest strike rates in world cups between 2012 and 2016 somewhere

So no no way Kamran came across as a fast aggressive batter but he wasnt and instead was king of dot balls who couldnt rotate the strike

Whats the point of hitting a boundary if the next 3 balls are dot balls?
 
Kamran was a better impact player than Rizwan. However his butter fingers were inexcusable.
 
His batting more than made up for it. Don’t hate. Appreciate.

Someone wise once said if he made as many runs as bradman that still wouldnt make up for all the catches he spills behind the wkt
 
Out of these three, here is my ranking as wicket keeper batter

1-Rizwan
2-Kamran
3-Sarfraz

Sarfraz's keeping is marginally better than Akmal's but Akmal was much better batsman.
 
Out of these three, here is my ranking as wicket keeper batter

1-Rizwan
2-Kamran
3-Sarfraz

Sarfraz's keeping is marginally better than Akmal's but Akmal was much better batsman.

Sarfraz was better keeper than Kamran
 
Yes with the strike rate of 120 at an average of 21 yes definitely need to appreciate

Don’t worry about all that. Keep in mind this was is in a bowler friendly era. Didn’t have the luxuries of today .
 
The right answer is NEVER Kamran Akmal :)

That being said, I won't discredit some of his incredible innings.. he should've made himself into a proper batsman and learned how to field in the outfield. His keeping dropped to such horrible standards that he was unselectable.
 
The right answer is NEVER Kamran Akmal :)

That being said, I won't discredit some of his incredible innings.. he should've made himself into a proper batsman and learned how to field in the outfield. His keeping dropped to such horrible standards that he was unselectable.

And by incredible innings I mainly meant test matches
 
Kamran Akmal is still a world T20 champion and a runs scorer in the final of the tournament

Rizwan has nothing to show for his ranking and average

Kamran is the ATG keeper still for another two years at least.

The streak continues!
 
Kamran Akmal is still a world T20 champion and a runs scorer in the final of the tournament

Rizwan has nothing to show for his ranking and average

Kamran is the ATG keeper still for another two years at least.

The streak continues!

Yet the Riz fans will deny. Bilaterals are meaningless it's all about the WC where Riz is a choker.
 
Yet the Riz fans will deny. Bilaterals are meaningless it's all about the WC where Riz is a choker.

My brother [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] created this royal rumble match thread and I entered as participant no.1

I am still standing, and Riz fans are being eliminated one after the other. This thread will remain alive as long as Rizwan is available for national selection, and I will be here to defend my claim that World Cup winners medal is the ultimate goal.
 
His innings versus Australia in 2010 was on that day.. he was very good!

And the bowlers were *PROPER* bowlers

Mitchell Johnson
Dirk Nannes
Shaun Tait

All 145kmh+ bowlers. It was a nightmare to face Mitchell Johnson around that time. I don’t think Rizwan has any clue on how to play a proper cricket shot against a 140kmh+ bowler outside of UAE
 
And the bowlers were *PROPER* bowlers

Mitchell Johnson
Dirk Nannes
Shaun Tait

All 145kmh+ bowlers. It was a nightmare to face Mitchell Johnson around that time. I don’t think Rizwan has any clue on how to play a proper cricket shot against a 140kmh+ bowler outside of UAE

Umar Akmal also made a 50 in that match unfortunately he was never given a chance to open or a long run at number 3 such foresight from Misbah Waqar would’ve benefited Pakistan a lot more than the openers that have been selected.
 
Umar Akmal also made a 50 in that match unfortunately he was never given a chance to open or a long run at number 3 such foresight from Misbah Waqar would’ve benefited Pakistan a lot more than the openers that have been selected.

The same Misbah and Waqar who preferred Imam and Rizwan to open for Pakistan and utilise the powerplay, but not Umar Akmal!

The crimes of these two against Pakistan white ball cricket will not be forgotten! They will be held accountable forever!
 
Todays not the day to push your agendas

Shahzaib is a world cup winner too He must be an ATG

Give it a rest Youre making no sense once again
 
Todays not the day to push your agendas

Shahzaib is a world cup winner too He must be an ATG

Give it a rest Youre making no sense once again

Go ahead

Make a thread about Shahzaib v Babar to discredit my argument

Not my fault that you cannot see Rizwan isn’t even 60% of the Batsman quality that Kamran was
 
Todays not the day to push your agendas

Shahzaib is a world cup winner too He must be an ATG

Give it a rest Youre making no sense once again
Sad that this is am agenda...sorry but some of you need to get a life and frankly grow up. Lol
 
It's a shame some people can't understand the value of WCs. No one will remember Rizwan in 5 years. Kami will never be forgotten for 2009.
 
It's a shame some people can't understand the value of WCs. No one will remember Rizwan in 5 years. Kami will never be forgotten for 2009.

Not just the World Cup

People don’t understand batting overall. How is Rizwan a better batsman than Kamran? Rizwan has 1 or 2 shots in his Arsenal.

-Rizwan can’t handle express pace or high pace bowling
-Rizwan has no off-side game
-Rizwan has no aerial shots unless they are hacks across the line
-Rizwan can’t pulll/hook
-Rizwan can’t cut the ball over point or between that area
-He has no real appetite for sixes


On the contrary, Kamran was very decent in all of these things listed above.

-Kamran was a brilliant puller/Cut shot player
-Kamran had proper cover/straight drives
-Kamran was not afraid to go aerial
 
It is 2024 now and am still sticking with Kamran Akmal, I think he still edges Riswan comfortably
 
This is the thread created by brother @shaz619 which served as a Royal Rumble match in which I entered as participant number 1 and am still standing!

Many of these Rizwan jobbers entered. All eliminated one after the other.

Here I stand, what’s the new wave of Rizwan jobbers saying?
 
This is the thread created by brother @shaz619 which served as a Royal Rumble match in which I entered as participant number 1 and am still standing!

Many of these Rizwan jobbers entered. All eliminated one after the other.

Here I stand, what’s the new wave of Rizwan jobbers saying?

Think we have to declare you the winner still standing 2 years later, unless anybody else wants to make the silly decision to enter this match :ROFLMAO:
 
Mohammad Rizwan. He's also a better WK than Kamran.

It's a T20 game, Kamran didn't make as many mistakes and his concentration was better as a keeper. He broke world records as a keeper in 2009, what records has Mr. Riswan broken as a keeper in T20 tournies.
 
Kamran had higher highs and way lower lows.

I would take him if he was atleast a decent wicketkeeper but bcoz he wasn’t I would rather take Rizwan.
 
Our atg team for odi is

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi (Ironically his iconic 45 ball 100 came here)
3) Zaheer Abbas
4) Javed Miandad
5) Inzimam
6) Abdul Razzaq (His prime self and that blinder innings he played puts him here)
7) Sarfraz Ahmed wk (2015-2017)( Rizwan will be a thorn at no 7, and no 6, and he doesn't get in at 3,4,5 lol)
8) Imran Khan
9) Wasim Akram
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlian/ Mushtak/Chuck Ajmal

3 pacers + 2 spinners + 2 aggressive openers + 3 solid middle order batsmen + a make shift keeper you can shuffle anywhere in the order + a batting allrounder who can bowl in raazaq.

Where will you fit rizwan in this 11? Please enlighten me, for god sakes don't say he deserves no 4 over miandad.
 
Our atg team for odi is

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi (Ironically his iconic 45 ball 100 came here)
3) Zaheer Abbas
4) Javed Miandad
5) Inzimam
6) Abdul Razzaq (His prime self and that blinder innings he played puts him here)
7) Sarfraz Ahmed wk (2015-2017)( Rizwan will be a thorn at no 7, and no 6, and he doesn't get in at 3,4,5 lol)
8) Imran Khan
9) Wasim Akram
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlian/ Mushtak/Chuck Ajmal

3 pacers + 2 spinners + 2 aggressive openers + 3 solid middle order batsmen + a make shift keeper you can shuffle anywhere in the order + a batting allrounder who can bowl in raazaq.

Where will you fit rizwan in this 11? Please enlighten me, for god sakes don't say he deserves no 4 over miandad.
Imran Khan was a better batter than Razzaq and Sarfaraz. He can be moved to no.6. I would pick Moin instead of Sarfaraz.
 
Imran Khan was a better batter than Razzaq and Sarfaraz. He can be moved to no.6. I would pick Moin instead of Sarfaraz.
Then who's no 8? If you move ik at no 6, who's no 8? And I'm fine with moin Khan replacing sarfraz I don't mind, but sarfraz can make for vc and IK captain which is why I put sarfi here.
 
Our atg team for odi is

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi (Ironically his iconic 45 ball 100 came here)
3) Zaheer Abbas
4) Javed Miandad
5) Inzimam
6) Abdul Razzaq (His prime self and that blinder innings he played puts him here)
7) Sarfraz Ahmed wk (2015-2017)( Rizwan will be a thorn at no 7, and no 6, and he doesn't get in at 3,4,5 lol)
8) Imran Khan
9) Wasim Akram
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlian/ Mushtak/Chuck Ajmal

3 pacers + 2 spinners + 2 aggressive openers + 3 solid middle order batsmen + a make shift keeper you can shuffle anywhere in the order + a batting allrounder who can bowl in raazaq.

Where will you fit rizwan in this 11? Please enlighten me, for god sakes don't say he deserves no 4 over miandad.
Fakhar over afridi as opener surely?

1. Anwar
2. Fakhar
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Babar
5. Inzi
6. Imran
7. Razzaq
8. Rizwan (Sarfraz didn’t do much and unsuited at 6/7 so I would just play the better keeper. Also I wouldn’t be playing Imran or razzaq below Sarfraz in this line up. It’d be a specialist keeper at 8 at this point. But if it were on batting it’d probably be Moin at this point)
9. Wasim
10. Waqar
11. Saqlain
 
Fakhar over afridi as opener surely?

1. Anwar
2. Fakhar
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Babar
5. Inzi
6. Imran
7. Razzaq
8. Rizwan (Sarfraz didn’t do much and unsuited at 6/7 so I would just play the better keeper. Also I wouldn’t be playing Imran or razzaq below Sarfraz in this line up. It’d be a specialist keeper at 8 at this point. But if it were on batting it’d probably be Moin at this point)
9. Wasim
10. Waqar
11. Saqlain
Afridi because he can bowl. You listed 5 bowlers only, i wouldnt trust razzaq to bowl 10 overs in every game.

Hilarious that you have babar over miandad lol. Rizwan at 8 is a massive waste of space. The idea of sarfraz is that he's makeshift and makes a good vc and this is sarfraz from his 2015-2017 days where he was fit and could come as a makeshift opener and afridi can be slotted at 7 of afridi combo doesn't work.
 
The worst cricket to play consistently for pakistan in its history is being selected in an ATG team?

Someone who lost countless matches with his awful keeping?

Someone who was in the team for his 'explosive' batting but averaged in the 20s at a not particularly high strike rate after hundreds of games?

Someone who was a terrible role model for his younger brother, making him fake an injury when he was dropped.

Someone who was undoubtedly involved in dodgy dealings and threw the Sydney test, not just with the dropped catches but when he jumped very high to avoid breaking the stumps.

Someone who had an absolutely awful entitled attitude. Would complain and moan. Even asked for the infamous '3 chances and I'll never talk again', flopped miserably and continued to complain.

Someone with rubbish fitness and a technique where he would lean on his bat like a club cricketer.

Someone who kept out a cricketer like Sarfaraz, who despite all his issues was a match winning captain from u19 and performing in domestic.

Yes sure, anyone intelligent would put him an ATG XI...
 
Just to put it into context for t20s:

Younis Khan - 25 matches, 22.1 average at 121.4 strike rate

Kamran Akmal - 53 innings, 21 average at 119.6 strike rate (I'm sure he played a lot during the power play as well)
 
Pakistan’s ATG T20 team:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Imran Nazir
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Shoaib Malik
5. Umar Akmal
6. Abdul Razzaq
7. Kamran Akmal (wk)
8. Shahid Afridi (c)
9. Umar Gul
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Saeed Ajmal
 
Pakistan’s ATG T20 team:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Imran Nazir
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Shoaib Malik
5. Umar Akmal
6. Abdul Razzaq
7. Kamran Akmal (wk)
8. Shahid Afridi (c)
9. Umar Gul
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Saeed Ajmal
If I’m allowed to imagine with players of yesteryears who didn’t play the T20 format:

1. Imran Nazir
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Ijaz ‘the Butcher’ Ahmed
4. Big Inzi
5. Basit ‘Mad Max’ Ali
6. Abdul Razzaq
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Waseem ‘the dream’ Akram
9. Shoaib Akhtar
10. Waqar Younis
11. Abdul ‘the Wizard’ Qadir
 
If I’m allowed to imagine with players of yesteryears who didn’t play the T20 format:

1. Imran Nazir
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Ijaz ‘the Butcher’ Ahmed
4. Big Inzi
5. Basit ‘Mad Max’ Ali
6. Abdul Razzaq
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Waseem ‘the dream’ Akram
9. Shoaib Akhtar
10. Waqar Younis
11. Abdul ‘the Wizard’ Qadir
Didn’t add a keeper. Will either ask Basit to put the gloves on or add Kami in the side and move Razzaq up to 5. Kami to 6 and Afridi at 7
 
Our atg team for odi is

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi (Ironically his iconic 45 ball 100 came here)
3) Zaheer Abbas
4) Javed Miandad
5) Inzimam
6) Abdul Razzaq (His prime self and that blinder innings he played puts him here)
7) Sarfraz Ahmed wk (2015-2017)( Rizwan will be a thorn at no 7, and no 6, and he doesn't get in at 3,4,5 lol)
8) Imran Khan
9) Wasim Akram
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlian/ Mushtak/Chuck Ajmal

3 pacers + 2 spinners + 2 aggressive openers + 3 solid middle order batsmen + a make shift keeper you can shuffle anywhere in the order + a batting allrounder who can bowl in raazaq.

Where will you fit rizwan in this 11? Please enlighten me, for god sakes don't say he deserves no 4 over miandad.
Is this thread not for t20is?

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Kamran Akmal
3) Babar Azam
4) Umar Akmal
5) Shadab Khan
6) Sarfraz Ahmed (C)
7) Mohammad Hafeez
8) Shahid Afridi
9) Shaheen Shah Afridi
10) Umar Gul
11) Mohammad Amir


I know this team won't sit right with a lot of people, but what a joy it would be to see them all in their prime. Hafeez may seem down low to most people but imo, he would've had a much better limited overs career if he batted in the middle/lower order.
I love Rizwan but he ruins the dynamics of this team. Kami for sure.
Prime Umar and Babar to run the middle overs would be a sight to watch.
I don't care what anybody says, Shadab deserves to be on their already. Highest wicket taker in Pak history plus great world cup performances.
Sharjeel at his best is a no brainer.
Sarfraz dominated t20 cricket with his captaincy.
Afridi is the Pak t20 goat.
A pace trio of prime SSA, Gul, and Amir, would be unstoppable.

Thoughts?
 
Kamran was one of worst wicket keeper produced in history of cricket . As batter he was impactful played some good match winnings knocks . While Rizwan is excellent keeper(most of times ) but a rare match winner with bat . I would say none is ATG . Just an average keeper batter
 
@shaz619

The streak continues!

3 T20i wc’s

3 failures

Kamran is still the GOAT T20i keeper batsman of Pakistan!

Nobody ever mention Rizwan in the same sentence as Kamran ever again for T20’s, and to quote the great Jose ‘If I speak more, I am in big trouble.’ 😎
 
Neither of em make it. Sarfraz would make it over them and be a wk and captain to lead atg Pakistan team

You can't afford rizwan because all he can do is open and that too suck up the PP. He's useless everywhere else and unlike sarfraz he doesn't offer the insane captaincy insight.

As for kamran decent choice at opening but Pakistan should aim for shahid afridi and Sharjeel at opening, Sharjeel due to statistically being the best PP basher for Pakistan and afridi have experience at opening and could make use of PP.
 
What a joke. I’d take all 3 Akmal brothers - even now- over Rizwan any day

The only keeper in Pakistan domestics who would be a worse option than him would be his understudy Haseebullah and even than the latter is a better investment
 
As good as Rizwan is, Kamran at his peak looks more threatening and impactful. Equally good against pace and spin.
 
Kamran even at this age is 10 times the cricketer Rizwan is.
Showing his class once again in Ajay Devgan league final against India
 
This is Pakistan's all time T20 XI for me..

1. Babar Azam
2. Mohammed Rizwan (wk)
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Fakhar Zaman
5. Umar Akmal
6. Shoaib Malik
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shahid Afridi (c)
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Umar Gul
11. Saeed Ajmal
12. Shadab Khan

Bowling Lineup
- Amir
- Imad
- Hafeez
- Afridi
- Gul


Solid team
- Ajmal
 
This is Pakistan's all time T20 XI for me..

1. Babar Azam
2. Mohammed Rizwan (wk)
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Fakhar Zaman
5. Umar Akmal
6. Shoaib Malik
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shahid Afridi (c)
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Umar Gul
11. Saeed Ajmal
12. Shadab Khan

Bowling Lineup
- Amir
- Imad
- Hafeez
- Afridi
- Gul


Solid team
- Ajmal

You have to clarify if you have picked Hafeez Vol 3.0 or Vol 2.0 because Vol 2.0 cannot feature at #3 and volume 3.0 doesn’t make it as an AR ahead of Razzler, Afridi.
 
Is Rizwan really better than Kamran Akmal even in ODI's :yk3

Kami had natural talent to score runs and he generally scored them at a decent pace when things were going well for him but after early years of promise he regressed as a keeper and as a batter both.

Rizwan isn’t a natural but with hard work he’s become a consistent all weather all pitch batter but his obvious inabilities to keep up with the pace of modern day cricket makes his contributions useless many times.
 
Kami had natural talent to score runs and he generally scored them at a decent pace when things were going well for him but after early years of promise he regressed as a keeper and as a batter both.

Rizwan isn’t a natural but with hard work he’s become a consistent all weather all pitch batter but his obvious inabilities to keep up with the pace of modern day cricket makes his contributions useless many times.

All weather batter 🤣 Yes, with the power off Kudrat Ka Nizam, Rizwan can control the heavens like Storm from the X-Men. Unfortunately rain no coming today 🤡
 
@Bhaijaan Kamran did fade during the second half of his career but he played some great knocks against higher calibre opposition, while Rizwan, apart from being a tidy keeper, has largely been involved in too many high profile defeats. He is overlapping the negativity Kamran received for dropping the ball, Rizwan’s a great ball catcher, especially Babar’s.
 
@shaz619 remember when I entered this Royal Rumble like Brock Lesnar as participant number 1?
Offtopic but that rr was wild. Vince really turned lesnar into an unstoppable force in his peak era. You had to cheat to beat him.

2012 extreme rules vs cena: Cena uses a chain to to knock him down while lesnar just uses fists.

2014 triple H duels: Triple H needs Shawn Micheal distractions to win

2015 Undertaker: Cheap low blow to win

2020 RR: Another cheap blow to let Drew remove him

2022 roman reigns wars; Literally every match roman cheated.

Only Goldberg managed to get a fair win over him.

It wasn't until Cody rhodes where wwe decided to put a new talent over him.

lol brock lesnar is classic Australia while Pakistan is Kevin Owens, Their head smashed through a ladder 🤣🤣
 
Offtopic but that rr was wild. Vince really turned lesnar into an unstoppable force in his peak era. You had to cheat to beat him.

2012 extreme rules vs cena: Cena uses a chain to to knock him down while lesnar just uses fists.

2014 triple H duels: Triple H needs Shawn Micheal distractions to win

2015 Undertaker: Cheap low blow to win

2020 RR: Another cheap blow to let Drew remove him

2022 roman reigns wars; Literally every match roman cheated.

Only Goldberg managed to get a fair win over him.

It wasn't until Cody rhodes where wwe decided to put a new talent over him.

lol brock lesnar is classic Australia while Pakistan is Kevin Owens, Their head smashed through a ladder 🤣🤣

The low blow Taker was hilarious 🤣 past his peak willing to do anything and go that extra mile after the stream ended
 
All the jobbers got tossed out one by one by Rana Lesnar, one of them hid under the ring but got found out eventually when he blew some wind @Major
You are like Booker Ts GAF. Doesnt really do anything, but always came in with King Booker dancing and being her chamchi
 
You are like Booker Ts GAF. Doesnt really do anything, but always came in with King Booker dancing and being her chamchi

Queen Sharmel was royalty, but you’re basically Eugene :misbah Special needs 🙈
 
Akmal striked at 83 pre two new ball era, he definitely was a better attacker than Rizwan, lacked game sense but then it’s not like Rizwan has tons of it.

Having someone like Rizwan in t20s is a sin, in Odis he is average too and can never pull of heists like Akmal.
 
Kami was way better top order batsmen in white ball format for pakistan as compared to rizwan.
 
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