Mohammed Rizwan vs Kamran Akmal - Who gets into a Pakistani ATG T20I?

[Rana]

I'm reading some of the comments as well. God gosh golly did they age poorly .

Appreciate you for bumping this thread.

It’s a landmark thread.

It’s the pinnacle of me fighting tooth and nail with people here to show them how misguided they are! I actually bumped it to find something Major might have said because I know he defends Rizwan blindly. Surprisingly, he hasn’t been caught slipping here.

 

[mominsaigol]

It’s a landmark thread.

It’s the pinnacle of me fighting tooth and nail with people here to show them how misguided they are! I actually bumped it to find something Major might have said because I know he defends Rizwan blindly. Surprisingly, he hasn’t been caught slipping here.

Tbf to Rizwan he is > Kami in tests and he was > Kami in T20 in 2021 and > In odi from 2019 to 2023.

2022 to 2025 in T20, and 2024 to 2025 rizzu has been an utter clown show. One of the worst performances I've ever seen.

Tbh I don't really know how rizzu did so well in 2021(T20) and 2023(ODI), he wasnt revolutionary but he was good.

Those 2 years are surprising outliers given how poor he typically is.

After 2021 he's essentially been a tailender.

 

[NishanKonar]

Tbf to Rizwan he is > Kami in tests and he was > Kami in T20 in 2021 and > In odi from 2019 to 2023.

2022 to 2025 in T20, and 2024 to 2025 rizzu has been an utter clown show. One of the worst performances I've ever seen.

Tbh I don't really know how rizzu did so well in 2021(T20) and 2023(ODI), he wasnt revolutionary but he was good.

Those 2 years are surprising outliers given how poor he typically is.

After 2021 he's essentially been a tailender.

TBF this was Kamran AKmal's career trajectory as well. A terrific player in 2005-2006 and suddenly his form nosedived. If anything he was much worse than Rizwan with the gloves. Batting wise he was better & more rounded but nothing so great

In a way both Rizwan and Kamran Akmal were 1 hit wonders. Rizwan with his 2021 T20 WC and Kamran had his 2006 Karachi test against India

 

[mominsaigol]

TBF this was Kamran AKmal's career trajectory as well. A terrific player in 2005-2006 and suddenly his form nosedived. If anything he was much worse than Rizwan with the gloves. Batting wise he was better & more rounded but nothing so great

In a way both Rizwan and Kamran Akmal were 1 hit wonders. Rizwan with his 2021 T20 WC and Kamran had his 2006 Karachi test against India

Ik, but the difference is KA underachieved. He had a good technique, good shot selection and despite having occasional lapse in concentration and weak footwork, you could tell the talent was their.

@Rana pointed this out too. Even now in legends league or in his 2018 PSL stint y9u can clearly tell he is a solid batsmen but badly badly underperformed for what otherwise should have been a decent career.

He was just as talented as Umar but umar gets talked about more due to having that talent as a young age while kami is a bit of a late bloomer.

Rizzu on the other hand is limited. He cannot play on the offside for the ever living life of him, not to mention his reactions are painfully slow and he doesnt even have any cricketing strokes. Swinging and top edging to the skies, jabs disguised as drives, one handed sweep shots, weird funky slog sweeps, like what even is this? .

So its a mystery how he did so well in 2021 and 2023. Logically a player with so many flaws shouldn't have a peak year

But rizzu had 2, one for t20 in 2021 and one for odi in 2023.

 

[Forum363]

Rizwan is rightly out of the team.

But Kami is one of the worst things to happen to pakistan cricket. He was a horrendous keeper who lost us countless matches with his hundreds of dropped catches. Yet people excused it because of his batting... and he had one of the worst batting records of anyone in history who has played consistently.

People bring up that one Karachi innings, but that was a fluke due to the conditions going from unplayable to flat. Hence why Shoaib Akhtar scored more than laxman, Dravid, tendulker, Yusuf, inzamam etc combined.

His average was atrocious and his strike rate below par.

On top of all this, he deliberately didnt break the stumps during the Sydney Test during that runout which was obviously deliberate so he's a CHEAT and SELLOUT. He made his brother skip a test match through fake injury to protest his exclusion. He had a terrible overall attitude.

Worst player in our history.

 

[Forum363]

Ik, but the difference is KA underachieved. He had a good technique, good shot selection and despite having occasional lapse in concentration and weak footwork, you could tell the talent was their.

@Rana pointed this out too. Even now in legends league or in his 2018 PSL stint y9u can clearly tell he is a solid batsmen but badly badly underperformed for what otherwise should have been a decent career.

He was just as talented as Umar but umar gets talked about more due to having that talent as a young age while kami is a bit of a late bloomer.

Rizzu on the other hand is limited. He cannot play on the offside for the ever living life of him, not to mention his reactions are painfully slow and he doesnt even have any cricketing strokes. Swinging and top edging to the skies, jabs disguised as drives, one handed sweep shots, weird funky slog sweeps, like what even is this? .

So its a mystery how he did so well in 2021 and 2023. Logically a player with so many flaws shouldn't have a peak year

But rizzu had 2, one for t20 in 2021 and one for odi in 2023.

He had a good technique?

He leaned on his bat as the bowler is running in and barely moved his feet. He had good hand eye but a terrible technique.

 

[Rana]

Unless your blind, I don’t see how anyone can rate Rizwan over Kamran Akmal as a T20 batter

 

[Major]

Kami was one of the worst keepers to put on a pair of gloves. He was soo bad that we even gave Mohammad Salman a chance (who was a pretty terrible batter)

The only good keeper in the Akmal family was Adnan

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Ik, but the difference is KA underachieved. He had a good technique, good shot selection and despite having occasional lapse in concentration and weak footwork, you could tell the talent was their.

@Rana pointed this out too. Even now in legends league or in his 2018 PSL stint y9u can clearly tell he is a solid batsmen but badly badly underperformed for what otherwise should have been a decent career.

He was just as talented as Umar but umar gets talked about more due to having that talent as a young age while kami is a bit of a late bloomer.

Rizzu on the other hand is limited. He cannot play on the offside for the ever living life of him, not to mention his reactions are painfully slow and he doesnt even have any cricketing strokes. Swinging and top edging to the skies, jabs disguised as drives, one handed sweep shots, weird funky slog sweeps, like what even is this? .

So its a mystery how he did so well in 2021 and 2023. Logically a player with so many flaws shouldn't have a peak year

But rizzu had 2, one for t20 in 2021 and one for odi in 2023.

Kamran is probably still the worst wicketkeeper to play for Pakistan. The guy dropped 3 catches per ODI. It was painful from 2007-2011. He dropped Taylor 3 times I think in 2011 WC.
Kamran was a good t20 batter and test batter. in odi's he was awful. As a batter, his and Rizwan's problem is the same in ODIs, if you don't put them in their favored position opening, they'll bat like tailenders.
Rizwan is an idiot for trying to hold that no.4 in ODIs despite not having the pedigree to be a no.4.

 

[mominsaigol]

Kami was one of the worst keepers to put on a pair of gloves. He was soo bad that we even gave Mohammad Salman a chance (who was a pretty terrible batter)

The only good keeper in the Akmal family was Adnan

Kamran is probably still the worst wicketkeeper to play for Pakistan. The guy dropped 3 catches per ODI. It was painful from 2007-2011. He dropped Taylor 3 times I think in 2011 WC.
Kamran was a good t20 batter and test batter. in odi's he was awful. As a batter, his and Rizwan's problem is the same in ODIs, if you don't put them in their favored position opening, they'll bat like tailenders.
Rizwan is an idiot for trying to hold that no.4 in ODIs despite not having the pedigree to be a no.4.

Unless your blind, I don’t see how anyone can rate Rizwan over Kamran Akmal as a T20 batter

But this thread by rana and shaz doesn't compare them as keepers, but as batters? Its asking who out of these 2 would make it into an atg lineup although imo Pakistan would just ask hanif mohammad to keep or miandad if push cones to shove or sarfi would replace both of them.

Mark Boucher is leagues > QDK as a keeper but in an atg sa lineup, QDK would 100% be in the 11 while mark boucher wouldn't make it regardless of the whiteball format.

Similarly Alex Carey gloveworks wise is better them Adam Gilchrist but Carey isn't even a 3rd choice keeper in an aussie lineup.

In tests he'd be no 3 but in odi and t20 Haddin and gilly are > the pecking order and so is Inglis? Mattew wade is debatable but would make it ahead of him in t20 atleast?

 

[Major]

But this thread by rana and shaz doesn't compare them as keepers, but as batters? Its asking who out of these 2 would make it into an atg lineup although imo Pakistan would just ask hanif mohammad to keep or miandad if push cones to shove or sarfi would replace both of them.

Mark Boucher is leagues > QDK as a keeper but in an atg sa lineup, QDK would 100% be in the 11 while mark boucher wouldn't make it regardless of the whiteball format.

Similarly Alex Carey gloveworks wise is better them Adam Gilchrist but Carey isn't even a 3rd choice keeper in an aussie lineup.

In tests he'd be no 3 but in odi and t20 Haddin and gilly are > the pecking order and so is Inglis? Mattew wade is debatable but would make it ahead of him in t20 atleast?

The discussion serves no purpose.

A keeper needs to be able to catch, attempt run outs and stumping. If he cant do that and is a good batter than he should not be standing in the keeping position than.

Kamran isnt some atg batsman. He was as mediocre as they come and only held his spot cause we had no other keeper that could hold the bat. Akmal was garbage but could hold the bat, but it wasnt as if he was a very good batter.

Along with that, Rizwan has a higher strike rate and batting avg in comparisom to akmal in t20. So the discussion really is stupid.

Its one of ranas daily attempts to insult rizwan. Tomr he will make a rizwan comparison thread with wasim bari and claim that wasim bari is a better t20 batter......

5 Years ago such threads wouldnt even stick. But the quality has fallen so we see such threads...

 

[Greenstorm]

None of them. My all time Pakistani T20I XI;

1. Sharjeel
2. Imran Nazir
3. Umar Akmal (wk)
4. M Hafeez (c)
5. Fakhar
6. Afridi
7. Misbah
8. M Amir
9. Umar Gull
10. M Irfan/ S Tanvir
11. S Ajmal

 

[Rana]

Along with that, Rizwan has a higher strike rate and batting avg in comparisom to akmal in t20. So the discussion really is stupid

As I said.

You have to be BLIND to not see Kamran was a better T20 batter than Rizwan.

 

[Technics 1210]

Neither.

 

[TheSultan]

At peak - it’s no contest. Kamran Akmal by a mile.

Not quite sure what happened to him post 2008. But he still was a key part of the 2009 CT. After that he was definitely up to no good. Shame he threw his career down the toilet and dragged little bro with him.

 

[AZulfi]

Kamran Akmal is a better T20I batter; however, he is also prone to dropping half a dozen chances in every other game.

So I would purely play him as a batsman with someone else keeping wickets

 

[Rana]

Neither.

Ah yes

That’s the new cop out of not having to admit how clueless you have been.

 

[Rana]

The discussion serves no purpose

It does.

It’s an important discussion. The comments here over time will serve as a lesson. It will serve as a chance to scrutinise yourself. It will serve as an opportunity to contemplate on how your judgement can be clouded by unnecessary hatred, due to which you see clowns as kings.

Learn from your mistakes. Read your mistakes. Seek forgiveness for your mistakes. Do not repeat your mistakes.

 

[dravidthewall]

Kamran Akmal better T20 batsman then Rizwan , whose strike rate is below far. In terms of keeping ability Rizwan is slightly ahead

 

[Major]

Ah yes

That’s the new cop out of not having to admit how clueless you have been.

Oh come on, he thinks andrew symond is white. Give him a break

 

[Major]

It does.

It’s an important discussion. The comments here over time will serve as a lesson. It will serve as a chance to scrutinise yourself. It will serve as an opportunity to contemplate on how your judgement can be clouded by unnecessary hatred, due to which you see clowns as kings.

Learn from your mistakes. Read your mistakes. Seek forgiveness for your mistakes. Do not repeat your mistakes.

So you are saying that a guy who avgs more and has a better strike rate is lesser of a batsman compared to a guy who has even lower avg and strike rate.

And this is just t20 im talking about

 

[topspin]

Ah yes

That’s the new cop out of not having to admit how clueless you have been.

Dead DJ for a reason

 

[Rana]

So you are saying that a guy who avgs more and has a better strike rate is lesser of a batsman compared to a guy who has even lower avg and strike rate.

And this is just t20 im talking about

That’s exactly what I’m saying. I’m not even going to try and justify it.

 

[Rana]

Dead DJ for a reason

The DJ keeps spinning from the truth. This guy was also one of those who made Rizwan seem like Gilchrist+Boucher in one.