Most Embarrassing Home Series Defeat?

[Saj]

This is of course the first Test whitewash in Pakistan - hardly an occasion to savour.

An England team missing the likes of Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad, Jonny Bairstow and others. A series that was supposed to be close and hard fought where many thought England would struggle to continue with their BazBall method.

Where does the current embarrassing 3-0 hammering rank in home series losses for Pakistan?

 

[CorneredTigerVenomfaz]

lowest point in Pakistan test history.

 

[James]

I still can’t quite believe that this whitewash looks like it is about to happen.

English cricketers are supposed to be weak in the subcontinent and unsuited to the conditions, that’s what I have always known growing up.

 

[mastermind_quad]

I still can’t quite believe that this whitewash looks like it is about to happen.

English cricketers are supposed to be weak in the subcontinent and unsuited to the conditions, that’s what I have always known growing up.

I thought spinning tracks will give an edge to Pakistan and here opposite happened. Pakistan looks even weaker than the first two tests.

 

[Abdullah]

Its bad - but I wouldn't go to far with the criticism about saying this is the worst ever.

To have the double edged issue of depleted bowling and then an average captain on top doesn't help.

In all 3 games we have been at critical junctures in the 3rd or 4th innings and totally blown it Including today.

We need to make similar wickets Vs new Zealand and play a very similar team.

We would have won this series if any one if these things had happened
1- Babar making the expected runs
2- Rizwan making the expected runs
3- Babar improving captaincy
4- First choice bowling

We have to hope we see 1 or 2 in the NZ series because 3 and 4 isn't happening

 

[James]

I thought spinning tracks will give an edge to Pakistan and here opposite happened. Pakistan looks even weaker than the first two tests.

This has been England’s best performance of the series. On a wicket that is very different to the conditions they’ve been brought up in, and at a ground that is usually a fortress for Pakistan. I thought this match would be a consolation win for them. I’m very impressed with the English players on this whole tour and particularly in this Test.

 

[Markhor]

I still can’t quite believe that this whitewash looks like it is about to happen.

English cricketers are supposed to be weak in the subcontinent and unsuited to the conditions, that’s what I have always known growing up.

To be fair you whitewashed Sri Lanka in 2018 and 2021, and took a Test off India in India last year which very few teams have looked close to doing.

 

[ElRaja]

easily the worst, beating the home series loss to Zimbabwe in 98 which could be blamed on bad weather leading to two draws and one very dodgy batting collapse.

this has been non-stop outperformance from England, sending in rehan ahmed at three in the last innings of a test chase is the icing on the cake of this embarrassment, England have zero fear of losing to this team.

pakistan have been completely out thought, and despite some decent performances from saud and abrar, babars coming of age is turning into his annus horriblis, middling innings and inept captaincy is fast pulling the curtain on the potential of his career.

add into that the absolute shellacking of the first test 900 runs at over 6/over which will go down in cricket legend. this series is an absolute disaster, and proof that the PCB do not care about test cricket.

rambo has put league revenue above all else, the players reflect this, pak might win tests here and there, but this level of test cricket will leave pakistan as a minnow vs the big 3. there needs to be a long term plan and evaluation of philosophy towards test cricket, cos id rather pak didnt play at all than get treated like a club team.

 

[kingusama92]

The first loss was incredibly embarrassing. No way should that pitch have produced any other result than a draw.

It's all been downhill since.

 

[shah_1]

Most humiliating defeat ever

 

[Robert]

I still can’t quite believe that this whitewash looks like it is about to happen.

English cricketers are supposed to be weak in the subcontinent and unsuited to the conditions, that’s what I have always known growing up.

Due to the County Championship not equipping them to play spin these days.

I can remember a couple of series wins in India. But just the one in Pakistan. Even those excellent players of spin Gooch, Gower and Gatting got beaten away in 1983 and 1987.

This side has the weakest batting I can remember fielded by Pakistan, and the opening bowlers are not penetrative. Still, I expected them to win one test at least.

 

[giri26]

To be really frank both the home series losses are pretty shocking to be honest. Not that Pakistan lost the series but the manner in which they lost them. England should not have been able to dominate Pakistan so easily. Yeah the second Test was competitive but again Pakistan was always playing catchup. Yeah the bowling was bad but again after Abrar made it to the XI they weren't that bad. The batting though was appalling.

 

[James]

Due to the County Championship not equipping them to play spin these days.

I can remember a couple of series wins in India. But just the one in Pakistan. Even those excellent players of spin Gooch, Gower and Gatting got beaten away in 1983 and 1987.

This side has the weakest batting I can remember fielded by Pakistan, and the opening bowlers are not penetrative. Still, I expected them to win one test at least.

Atherton and Hussain have been talking about familiarity with the conditions throughout the match. When they “won in the dark” in Karachi 20 years ago, it was only their 3rd or 4th time ever playing a game in the subcontinent even with all of their combined career travails.

Whereas nowadays some of the key English players have already built up considerable experience of playing cricket in Asia ahead of their first series in Pakistan. Such as Harry Brook in the PSL, Stokes and Wood in the IPL, and Joe Root has 5 tons across 15 Tests in Sri Lanka & India.

 

[malakian]

A whitewash isn't really that shocking when you compare the teams, this is easily the worst Pakistan test team that I recall in my lifetime.

 

[JaDed]

Yeah easily the worst.. it’s like PCT wants the series to be over already but it’s in their own backyard.
They need to do something special tomorrow to save the complete lack of performance in the last test.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Whitewash is always embarrassing. Doesn't matter if it is home or away. But home white washes are very rare for top 8 sides.
3 Test home series white washes that i could find in the last 30 years excluding this inevitable one.

Srilanka vs England 0-3 - 2018
Srilanka vs India 0-3 - 2017
SA vs Australia 0-3 - 2006
NZ vs Australia 0-3 -2000

 

[Suleiman]

The fact that our captain is willing to take action for being denied a nice dinner in Clifton and not in the 2nd innings when we needed him says everything that needs to be said about this series…

Zero accountability, zero urgency, zero hunger (for victory- have to clarify, sadly)

 

[jnaveen1980]

Whitewash is always embarrassing. Doesn't matter if it is home or away. But home white washes are very rare for top 8 sides.
3 Test home series white washes that i could find in the last 30 years excluding this inevitable one.

Srilanka vs England 0-3 - 2018
Srilanka vs India 0-3 - 2017
SA vs Australia 0-3 - 2006
NZ vs Australia 0-3 -2000

Missed this one

Srilanka vs Australia 0-3 - 2004

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think this is the second most embarassing.

The most embarassing is when India defeated Australia in Australia in 2021.

India had a their most bowling players injured, Kohli done a runner part way through the series and in one match they were bowled out for 36.

To go on and win a series against a full strength Aussie team despite all of that is one of the most embarrassing things that could have happened to Australia.

This series is slightly less embarrassing because when you have bowlers like Mohammed Nawaz, Faheem, Zahid Mahmood, Nauman Ali and Haris Rauf playing test cricket against one of the best batting sides in the game then a defeat is very likely.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think this is the second most embarassing.

The most embarassing is when India defeated Australia in Australia in 2021.

India had a their most bowling players injured, Kohli done a runner part way through the series and in one match they were bowled out for 36.

To go on and win a series against a full strength Aussie team despite all of that is one of the most embarrassing things that could have happened to Australia.

This series is slightly less embarrassing because when you have bowlers like Mohammed Nawaz, Faheem, Zahid Mahmood, Nauman Ali and Haris Rauf playing test cricket against one of the best batting sides in the game then a defeat is very likely.

Question is

Where does the current embarrassing 3-0 hammering rank in home series losses for Pakistan?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Question is

Where does the current embarrassing 3-0 hammering rank in home series losses for Pakistan?

oops I replied to the wrong thread.

With regards to the OP yes its the most embarassing home defeat ever for Pakistan!

 

[Ami]

Obviously ranks as the worst, as it is going the be first ever?

But, I would say, Pakistan have gone in with their C bowling attack.

No Afridi, Naseem and Rauf, even Hasan Ali. Secondly, wrong selection of the available bowling resources.

I personally, have no issues with batting, they're the best we have available - Kamran Ghulam or Hurraira is not gonna make too much of a difference.

 

[TheSultan]

Of course it’s the worst. What’s even worse than the series loss is they got nothing out of it. Sometimes you try a strategy that doesn’t work, sometimes you give a whole load of young players a debut and get them some experience.

Etc etc

If Babar had said ok we’re going to beat you with spin and got some rank turners then at least that’s a plan, a strategy. Even if the England spinners outbowled us - hols your hands up, fair and square.

Or the other way. We’re going to hit you with pace, reverse swing and of England beat you at it, well bowled England.

Half hearted selections, pitch neither here nor there. This was a very going through the motions series. To have Fahim Ashraf as the second seamer out of two and hardly get a bowl is mind boggling. What actually is the strategy here. If it’s spin, pick 3 spinners.

They were all over the place.

 

[mon858]

On pakistan soil yes.
On hosted series in similar Asian conditions we had a much worse series including 2 innings of 50 or so all out in Sharjah vs Australia was probably the worst.

 

[MP2011]

Any test loss at home is embarassing let alone getting whitewashed in a 3-tests series.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Very predictable and a destruction of Pakistan cricket led by Babar. Hopefully his fans are happy.

Seals his place up there with Butt as the worst Test captain in history.

 

[Justcrazy]

Thank God Pakistan not playing 5 test match series , they would have lost all 5.

This team is sub standard , and I do not think they can win against Kiwis also.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Thank God Pakistan not playing 5 test match series , they would have lost all 5.

This team is sub standard , and I do not think they can win against Kiwis also.

Devon Conway and Latham are spin experts.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Worst ever for sure. Pak test team is not that bad as many are trying to project here, you have world class batters and a decent bowling line up for Asia. No way you should lose 0-3

 

[Sidilicious]

On pakistan soil yes.
On hosted series in similar Asian conditions we had a much worse series including 2 innings of 50 or so all out in Sharjah vs Australia was probably the worst.

IIRC, the first test of that series was played in Colombo, and Akhtar won that match by some of his magical bowling. So it wasn’t a whitewash

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

If Babar does not quit captaincy then i do not know what else will make him to ?

 

[Sidilicious]

I think this is the second most embarassing.

The most embarassing is when India defeated Australia in Australia in 2021.

India had a their most bowling players injured, Kohli done a runner part way through the series and in one match they were bowled out for 36.

To go on and win a series against a full strength Aussie team despite all of that is one of the most embarrassing things that could have happened to Australia.

This series is slightly less embarrassing because when you have bowlers like Mohammed Nawaz, Faheem, Zahid Mahmood, Nauman Ali and Haris Rauf playing test cricket against one of the best batting sides in the game then a defeat is very likely.

It was embarrassing indeed, but Aus were in all the test matches bar Melbourne. A few things here and there and the result could have also been 3-1 in Australia’s favour. Sydney and Brisbane went to the last few overs. It took some serious grit from india to pull out that performance. But England have made so many mistakes and gotten away with it because Pakistan hasn’t taken any opportunity.

The problem here has been Pakistan has not looked competitive during long passages of play. If you compare, number of days won, I think Pakistan hasn’t won a single day across the series. They have only won a handful of sessions.

If you look at the individuals, it doesn’t get any better. Other than Babar, and possibly Abrar, no one will get into the English side, even in Pakistan. That’s 9-2 to England in subcontinent. That is worrying.

Pakistan cannot afford to keep playing like this and think that test cricket will survive in Pakistan. People came to watch this series as test cricket is returning to Pakistan. But they wont bother turning up if they believe the performance will be so poor.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

IIRC, the first test of that series was played in Colombo, and Akhtar won that match by some of his magical bowling. So it wasn’t a whitewash

Nah we choked that chase of 270 odd after a great start. Watched it painful memories.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Pakistan spinners are ineffective whereas debutant, a teenager who played just 3 first class matches is making havoc and causing batting collapse.
This shows the strength of resources both team have. Pakistan team is no way near to international standards.

 

[mastermind_quad]

This has been England’s best performance of the series. On a wicket that is very different to the conditions they’ve been brought up in, and at a ground that is usually a fortress for Pakistan. I thought this match would be a consolation win for them. I’m very impressed with the English players on this whole tour and particularly in this Test.

Yes, exactly. England played brilliantly.

Pakistan do have good (if not very good) enough batsman who can score centuries. In fast bowling department Pakistan lacked but with addition of Abrar they were good enough for this kind of surface. Pakistan batting let down
Babar
Rizwan
Imam
Azhar Ali

These batters let down big time and the real cause of failure.

The new comer Saud played well.

I have been following Pakistan cricket and I can't see better batsman then these in domestic. This is the good and experienced batting line up by Pakistan but the problem is you cannot rely on these batsmen ( yea including Babar) it seems he is also going through superstar mentality syndrome.

England played brilliantly
Congratulations to you and Robert and all other England supporters.

 

[IndianMafia]

Never saw such a clueless captain in home conditions. Babar looks so undercooked when he is captaining , probably he was taken aback by the way England played.

 

[Sidilicious]

Nah we choked that chase of 270 odd after a great start. Watched it painful memories.

Ah, for some reason the only thing that sticks out from that test in my mind was Akhtar bowling the Waugh brothers with a Yorker, which IMO was better than his bowled against David and Sachin at Eden Gardens .

Nonetheless, it was not the most embarrassing loss for you guys, because you were
1. Competitive in the 1st test and had one of the most memorable performances
2. At that point, you were not used to playing tests at the UAE.

This one against England is worrying. And PCB needs to do something if it needs to keep test cricket alive in Pakistan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Abrar has been the only one guy bullied England in patches. Otherwise it was oneway street. Babar & Saud defied alright. But they didn't actually take it to England. Can't blame them entirely. Babar even in T20 is not an intimidating player. Only way Pakistan could have countered England is by clicking collectively. Every single person.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Club level fast bowling at times has really cost Pakistan. Also, Harry Brook has been a complete monster with the bat - no PAK batter came even close to his dominance.

 

[AMSS]

Australia's back to back series defeats against India...especially the last one where IND were waylaid with injuries was pretty embarrassing.

But this abject surrender by Pakistan would be hard to top.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Even if it were to be a 10 match series odds are England would win 10-0. Pakistan had no answer whatsoever in any department.

 

[Hitman]

The last time we were whitewashed at home was in 1999 in a 2 Test match series against South Africa.

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

Give up Test status.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Message to <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>, we are happy to come and tour Pakistan and lose 3-0, getting chopped up and sugared like marmalade. Just letting you know in the interests of balance. And we will score at 0.7 not 7.0 an over.</p>— Iceland Cricket (@icelandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/icelandcricket/status/1604823910008164355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Ahmed216]

We reward our players for mediocrity. In fact we worship mediocrity. Many such defeats to follow Inshallah

 

[karthikc]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Message to <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>, we are happy to come and tour Pakistan and lose 3-0, getting chopped up and sugared like marmalade. Just letting you know in the interests of balance. And we will score at 0.7 not 7.0 an over.</p>— Iceland Cricket (@icelandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/icelandcricket/status/1604823910008164355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[ZafarKhan2022]

They were thinking about Nihari, paya, haleem, biryani, korma, kofta, parathay, tikkay, and botiyan

 

[dildilpak]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Message to <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>, we are happy to come and tour Pakistan and lose 3-0, getting chopped up and sugared like marmalade. Just letting you know in the interests of balance. And we will score at 0.7 not 7.0 an over.</p>— Iceland Cricket (@icelandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/icelandcricket/status/1604823910008164355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But honestly, PCB should invite them. Presumably, the matches will be more evenly poised. And Babar will get chances to score more runs.

 

[Titan24]

Definitely. Most humiliating home test series defeat.

We have played much better test cricket with much more limited resources overall number of times in the history. This series witnessed selection horrors, laughable playing XIs and school boy level tactics and application.

Losing is part of the game but, to lose in this fashion at home in a test series with so many blunders has literally no excuse.

 

[Titan24]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Message to <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>, we are happy to come and tour Pakistan and lose 3-0, getting chopped up and sugared like marmalade. Just letting you know in the interests of balance. And we will score at 0.7 not 7.0 an over.</p>— Iceland Cricket (@icelandcricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/icelandcricket/status/1604823910008164355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even Iceland cricket will have its moment in the series, pretty sure of that with this quality of cricket, strategies

and tactics on display by Pakistan.

 

[SamNJ]

The last time we were whitewashed at home was in 1999 in a 2 Test match series against South Africa.

I remember that. Sachin was out of depth as captain and India were totally outplayed. Could have been 4-0 if it was a 4 match series. Ganguly took over the captaincy next week in the ODI series against SA and the rest is history.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Inept and dumb captain
Clueless coach
Clueless Cheif selector
Poor selected squad
Negative mindset
Zero game plans

3-0 isn't a shock.

Well done Ramiz, Babar, saqi and mo wasim.

Pakistan test team is dead.

 

[IMMY69]

If we had any self respect we would apologise to England for playing like a club third eleven

 

[Farah Sohail]

If Babar does not quit captaincy then i do not know what else will make him to ?

He wont ever quit captaincy unless he is sacked.. and it seems he wont be sacked.. shameless creatures, from top to bottom

 

[Bewal Express]

We lost to Zim in the late 90s with an attack of Waqar, Wasim etc Al. Couldn't defend 240+. This is a decent England side

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

We lost to Zim in the late 90s with an attack of Waqar, Wasim etc Al. Couldn't defend 240+. This is a decent England side

Were you whitewashed?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 6 Test matches in Pakistan:<br><br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Draw<br>Draw<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvENG</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1605076573304115200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Bewal Express]

We lost to Zim in the late 90s with an attack of Waqar, Wasim etc Al. Couldn't defend 240+. This is a decent England side

 

[Bewal Express]

But we lost to Zim

 

[Loralai]

Easily the worst.

I remember the series loss against Zimbabwe very clearly. Many players in the team were not happy playing under Amir Sohail's captaincy. It complicated matters a lot. There are many things about that series which did not make sense. The second innings of the first Test - the nature of some of the dismissals raised many eyebrows.

 

[Loralai]

This is truly humiliating and an indictment of where we stand as a cricketing nation. Make no mistake we are minnow territory. In fact the margins of defeat in Multan and Pindi hide the enormous gulf between the two teams which was brutally exposed in the Karachi test.

 

[Kianig89]

It worst than I'll fated Aus tour back in 2010, we literally lost every game in that series 10-0, 3 Tests 5ODIS 2 T20

What if NZ also blanked us 0-2

 

[jnaveen1980]

It worst than I'll fated Aus tour back in 2010, we literally lost every game in that series 10-0, 3 Tests 5ODIS 2 T20

What if NZ also blanked us 0-2

This is a pretty good NZ team. They may not come hard. But they are more methodical and patient.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It worst than I'll fated Aus tour back in 2010, we literally lost every game in that series 10-0, 3 Tests 5ODIS 2 T20

What if NZ also blanked us 0-2

If that happens then PCB should request ICC to take Pakistan's test status away.

 

[dildilpak]

Think PCB should immediately get drop-in pitches or go back to playing tests in UAE. We will not be able to win anything till we dont stop propping up these flatter than road pitches.

 

[shamaan]

I thought spinning tracks will give an edge to Pakistan and here opposite happened. Pakistan looks even weaker than the first two tests.

The pitches had only a abit of spin it wasn't near half a rank Turner.