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My country has gone to the dogs: Man beaten for not chanting Jai Shri Ram, Modi Zindabad in India

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] Another one beaten for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram'. Here is a picture of this guy. I hope 'sab changa si'?

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[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] Another one beaten for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram'. Here is a picture of this guy. I hope 'sab changa si'?

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We are a country of 1.5 billion people. Incidents happening in sylo are no representation of the country or the millions of hindus who believes in Ram temple. As far as attacks are concerned, it happen from both sides. OP sahib will never post about plight of hindus in west bengal or Kerala bcoz that wont serve the agenda.

Will NDTV post this?

PFI media in-charge arrested for hate post on Ram Mandir, UP Police says 'messages against communal amity'

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...e-says-messages-against-communal-amity/633433

The goons who attacked this innocent man should be arrested per law but stop acting all innocent that attacks only happen from one end. Are you not aware that these victim card tactics is a thing of past and Indians it dont work anymore?
 
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We are a country of 1.5 billion people. Incidents happening in sylo are no representation of the country or the millions of hindus who believes in Ram temple. As far as attacks are concerned, it happen from both sides. OP sahib will never post about plight of hindus in west bengal or Kerala bcoz that wont serve the agenda.

Will NDTV post this?

PFI media in-charge arrested for hate post on Ram Mandir, UP Police says 'messages against communal amity'

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...e-says-messages-against-communal-amity/633433

The goons who attacked this innocent man should be arrested per law but stop acting all innocent that attacks only happen from one end. Are you not aware that these victim card tactics is a thing of past and Indians it dont work anymore?

The bolded part says it all. The plight of ‘only Hindus’ matter in this country anymore.:19:

And Kerala is much much better for Hindus than any other state in India. Atleast here, humanity is not blinded by their religion.
 
We are a country of 1.5 billion people. Incidents happening in sylo are no representation of the country or the millions of hindus who believes in Ram temple. As far as attacks are concerned, it happen from both sides. OP sahib will never post about plight of hindus in west bengal or Kerala bcoz that wont serve the agenda.

Will NDTV post this?

PFI media in-charge arrested for hate post on Ram Mandir, UP Police says 'messages against communal amity'

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...e-says-messages-against-communal-amity/633433

The goons who attacked this innocent man should be arrested per law but stop acting all innocent that attacks only happen from one end. Are you not aware that these victim card tactics is a thing of past and Indians it dont work anymore?

As expected, you are more concerned about OP sharing this news than the actual matter which is getting quite common these days. What is your opinion on these people forcing 'Jai Shri Ram' chants on Muslims and then beating them?
 
OP sahib will never post about plight of hindus in west bengal or Kerala bcoz that wont serve the agenda.

What happened in Kerala? Except some national media are (falsely) trying to make that there are some communal issues in Kerala?
 
As expected, you are more concerned about OP sharing this news than the actual matter which is getting quite common these days. What is your opinion on these people forcing 'Jai Shri Ram' chants on Muslims and then beating them?

As expected you are having comprehension issues. I clearly wrote that anyone who attacked that innocent driver should be punished as per law. But I reject this vandetta that we take incidents in sylo and somehow potray it as a norm, which it certainly isnt.
 
What happened in Kerala? Except some national media are (falsely) trying to make that there are some communal issues in Kerala?

Yes yes...every thing is falsely reported about Kerala. That guy who blew Gurudwara in Kabul is also not from Kerala. RSS workers regularly getting killed by communist parties are all fake news.
 
As expected you are having comprehension issues. I clearly wrote that anyone who attacked that innocent driver should be punished as per law. But I reject this vandetta that we take incidents in sylo and somehow potray it as a norm, which it certainly isnt.

For a guy like you every incident like these is a one off. It will start looking like a norm once you wipe your saffron tinted glasses. And all I can see in your post was drawing parallels between two separate incidents and covering it up like you always do and then blame others for having comprehension issues lol. Since you couldn't find anything to counter this you brought a hate post on Ram Mandir and tried to equate it with a man getting a beating for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram'. Muslims getting mob lynched for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram' is getting quite common. Infact it's in fashion these days.

There is more hate stuff circulated against muslims in India than it is against Hindus. It was at his peak during TJ incident. Bhakhts like you were jumping in joy at that point and never complained. :inti
 
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For a guy like you every incident like these is a one off. It will start looking like a norm once you wipe your saffron tinted glasses. And all I can see in your post was drawing parallels between two separate incidents and covering it up like you always do and then blame others for having comprehension issues lol. Since you couldn't find anything to counter this you brought a hate post on Ram Mandir and tried to equate it with a man getting a beating for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram'. Muslims getting mob lynched for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram' is getting quite common. Infact it's in fashion these days.

There is more hate stuff circulated against muslims in India than it is against Hindus. It was at his peak during TJ incident. Bhakhts like you were jumping in joy at that point and never complained. :inti

Ofcourse I will draw parallels bcoz that is exactly what OP did. He took a random incident and come to the conclusion that "This country has gone to the dogs". So its only fair that every side must be well presented.

In a country like India where 1.5 billion people resides, people from all faith gets attacked. Few days ago 2 sadhus were openly set on fire in Palgarh, there are regular political lynchings of RSS activists in Kerala, regular killings and riots against hindus in bengal like in Dhulagarh, Asansol etc. If you remove your green tinted glass, you can also see them clearly.

I have clearly said that if any innocent muslim is targetted anywhere in India, those goons should be punished by law. Lord Ram didnt teach us to attack minorities...so if anyone is chanting 'Jai shri ram' and attacking people, they need the harshest of punishment by law. Anyone defending these goons are not true hindus and knows nothing about hindusim.

But when someone tries to draw parallel with these incidents and tarnish the entire country, pretend everything is doom and gloom since 2014....it reeks agenda and vandetta. One can smell it from far. And that is the problem.
 
Yes yes...every thing is falsely reported about Kerala. That guy who blew Gurudwara in Kabul is also not from Kerala. RSS workers regularly getting killed by communist parties are all fake news.

Those are political killing, not related to religion... BJP (RSS) also kills CPM and Congress members here..

Wasn't northern media make a big issue out of that elephant incident just bcs it's happened to be (again, false) in Malappuram? Didn't they call Malabar area as mini Pakistan? Didn't they say we use Pak flag during Rahul Gandhi's Wayanad election campaign?
 
The bolded part says it all. The plight of ‘only Hindus’ matter in this country anymore.:19:

And Kerala is much much better for Hindus than any other state in India. Atleast here, humanity is not blinded by their religion.

Same Kerala where they had blackout on August 5 for obvious reason? Same Kerala which has become a new safe haven for IS?

Oh and how’s the transformation coming along from democracy to communism over there?

Not so God’s country after all.
 
Same Kerala where they had blackout on August 5 for obvious reason? Same Kerala which has become a new safe haven for IS?

Oh and how’s the transformation coming along from democracy to communism over there?

Not so God’s country after all.

Because 0.00000000000000000000001 % of Kerala Muslims have joined IS, its a safe haven? Really?
 
Because 0.00000000000000000000001 % of Kerala Muslims have joined IS, its a safe haven? Really?
It’s not about what percentage of people are brainwashed. It’s a matter of national security, and also what exactly is Govt of Kerala doing to prevent such things? Even 4-5 people are enough to cause massive damage to society( 26/11, Afghan Gurudwara etc). Until, and unless that is not completely eradicated, it will always pose a threat. So, yes safe haven.

Communism have no place in India, and yet it manages to rule most literate state of India. Quite ironic if you ask me
 
Because 0.00000000000000000000001 % of Kerala Muslims have joined IS, its a safe haven? Really?

So I can also draw the same parallel right.
0.00000000000000000000001 % of people are taking Lord Ram's name and killing innocent people and India has gone to the dogs? Really?

See, an arguement can be presented in any form based on our needs.
 
So I can also draw the same parallel right.
0.00000000000000000000001 % of people are taking Lord Ram's name and killing innocent people and India has gone to the dogs? Really?

See, an arguement can be presented in any form based on our needs.

Ouch!
You just hit him real hard. Now, watch how they switch goal post to suit their narrative.

Here we have people claims Kerala is most safest for Hindus, and yet they were not allowed to watch live ceremony on August 5 by their CM which was auspicious to Hindus in general. Kerala have gone to **** recently. They complain about Modi, and they elect communist party to rule their state. Lost of words...
 
It’s not about what percentage of people are brainwashed. It’s a matter of national security, and also what exactly is Govt of Kerala doing to prevent such things? Even 4-5 people are enough to cause massive damage to society( 26/11, Afghan Gurudwara etc). Until, and unless that is not completely eradicated, it will always pose a threat. So, yes safe haven.

Communism have no place in India, and yet it manages to rule most literate state of India. Quite ironic if you ask me

26/11 was not done by Indian Muslims. Kerala Muslims are among the most educated ones in India. They should be a role model for the rest of Indian Muslims, not made to feel guilty because a handful became terrorist.
 
Same Kerala where they had blackout on August 5 for obvious reason? Same Kerala which has become a new safe haven for IS?

Oh and how’s the transformation coming along from democracy to communism over there?

Not so God’s country after all.

Fact Check: Did communist government in Kerala impose a blackout on August 5?

The foundation stone laying ceremony for Ayodhya’s Ram Temple on August 5 by Prime Minister Narendra Modi was witnessed by millions of people across the country via live telecast from the National broadcaster Doordarshan.

However, a viral post on social media claims that the Communist Party of India (Marxist) (CPI-M)-led LDF government in Kerala announced a total blackout in the state on August 5 to prevent people from watching the Ram Mandir bhoomi pujan ceremony.

One such claim on Twitter reads, “Total blackout in Kerala to prevent people from watching #ramjanmbhumi pujan today. Thank you communists for alienating one community to appease others. Kerala will now realise which party to vote for.”

India Today Anti Fake News War Room (AFWA) has found the claim to be misleading. The power supply in Kerala has been severely disrupted due to torrential rains and heavy winds for the last several days. The majority of the districts had an uninterrupted power supply on the day of bhoomi pujan.

The claim is also viral on Facebook.

AFWA probe

The left parties CPI and CPI(M) had earlier opposed the involvement of the Centre and the Uttar Pradesh government in the Ram Mandir Bhoomi Pujan ceremony saying it would violate the spirit of the Constitution. The parties had also objected to the Centre’s decision to live telecast the event on Doordarshan.

AFWA contacted some major regional channels in Kerala to know if they faced any difficulty during the live telecast of the event.

Sindhu Sooryakumar, the Chief Coordinating Editor of Asianet News told AFWA, “For the last so many days the power supply in many districts of Kerala has been severely disrupted due to heavy rains and winds. However, unlike claimed by many on social media, there was no blackout in Kerala. We faced no particular disruption during the live telecast of bhoomi pujan. We went live from Ayodhya from 11:30 am to almost 3:30 pm.”

Johny Lukose, the News Director of Manorama News also confirmed to AFWA that the channel experienced no power disruption during the live telecast.

Lukose said, “Ayodhya is a sensitive matter and the state government will not make a move to impose a blackout on the day of the Ram temple’s bhoomi pujan ceremony. After all, if there was any major disruption in watching the live telecast there would have been a conscious effort from the part of the public in alerting us. However, nothing of that sort happened.”

AFWA also found that there was no significant difference in the daily average consumption rate of electricity in Kerala on August 5 when compared to that of August 3 and 4. According to the Kerala Electricity Board (KSEB) data, on August 5, the daily average consumption of power was 56 million units (mu). Meanwhile, the rate on August 3 and 4 was 57 mu and 57.7 mu, respectively.

Ram Mahesh, Chief Public Relations Officer, KSEB Ltd told AFWA, “Due to the low pressure that has developed over the Bay of Bengal, Kerala has been experiencing heavy rains for the last several days. A few districts in southern Kerala had power cuts on August 5 as their electric poles had got damaged because of trees and branches falling. This includes districts like Kasargod, Kannur, Calicut, Wayanad, Thrissur, and Palakkad. That is why the power consumption on August 5 came to be 56 mu. The rest of the state had no power disruption. The rumor of a blackout on August 5 was taking rounds many days ahead of the bhoomi pujan and we had already released a warning against such rumors.”

KSEB had also issued a red and orange alert for districts in northern Kerala due to heavy rains on August 5.

Hence the claim that the Kerala government imposed a total blackout in the state to prevent people from watching the Ayodhya bhoomi pujan live is false. While some districts in Kerala experienced a power outage due to heavy rain and wind, the majority of the districts had an uninterrupted power supply on August 5.

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So I can also draw the same parallel right.
0.00000000000000000000001 % of people are taking Lord Ram's name and killing innocent people and India has gone to the dogs? Really?

See, an arguement can be presented in any form based on our needs.

You can and you already did in this very thread. Post #6.
 
Ofcourse I will draw parallels bcoz that is exactly what OP did. He took a random incident and come to the conclusion that "This country has gone to the dogs". So its only fair that every side must be well presented.

In a country like India where 1.5 billion people resides, people from all faith gets attacked. Few days ago 2 sadhus were openly set on fire in Palgarh, there are regular political lynchings of RSS activists in Kerala, regular killings and riots against hindus in bengal like in Dhulagarh, Asansol etc. If you remove your green tinted glass, you can also see them clearly.

I have clearly said that if any innocent muslim is targetted anywhere in India, those goons should be punished by law. Lord Ram didnt teach us to attack minorities...so if anyone is chanting 'Jai shri ram' and attacking people, they need the harshest of punishment by law. Anyone defending these goons are not true hindus and knows nothing about hindusim.

But when someone tries to draw parallel with these incidents and tarnish the entire country, pretend everything is doom and gloom since 2014....it reeks agenda and vandetta. One can smell it from far. And that is the problem.

How is it a random incident when incidents like these are happening quite frequently in India? Where did OP draw any parallel? He just shared the news and expressed his sentiments that 'this country has gone to mad dogs who are roaming freely'.

And this is a pretty old tactic to derail threads by bringing in other incidents which you can clearly discuss in their own dedicated threads if you want. To be honest you looked quite desperate when you compared a hate post with the OP.

I know what you were trying to do there but I will still ask you to remove your saffron tinted glasses so that you can see clearly that green is also part of Indian flag lol. :inti
 
Same Kerala where they had blackout on August 5 for obvious reason? Same Kerala which has become a new safe haven for IS?

Oh and how’s the transformation coming along from democracy to communism over there?

Not so God’s country after all.

Your first part is fake news from the BJP propaganda machine. [MENTION=135839]Smbhayi[/MENTION] has already mentioned it.

Regarding second part, if you meant transition of becoming saner and getting exposed to the lies of Sangh Parivar and BJP through education then yeah, we are definitely much better than the other states.:)
 
Blind bhakts have done the unthinkable. They have shown Shriram of far lesser stature than their beloved bigot in one of the images being widely circulated by Whatsapp University.

Shriram who? All they care about is their bigot whose imprint encompassed everyone else during the bhoomi poojan despite him doing nothing for this issue during last 3 decades. While the ones who mattered and did everything in their power to make this day happen like Advani and M M Joshi, have all been conveniently sidelined.

No wonder bigot called this day as equivalent to our independence day.
 
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It's his habit to usurp everyone else's hard work and instead trumpet himself.
 
Even if its not a norm its becoming a norm to take the law into your own hands due to right wing leader comments that are all over the effin place w.r.t this.

Having said that its Rajasthan where Cong is in power they have the power to put the person behind bar but they will play politics with it as well.
 
Nobody should be beaten up for not chanting something. This is ridiculous.

If India wants to present itself as democracy, they should ensure these incidents don't go unpunished.
 
My malayali friend would say poda panni (tamil) whenenever i criticised kerala. I hope you know what it means.

it means 'sod off, you pig' but in an endearing/affectionate way. But it can also be a crude expletive, based on context. It's probably the latter in your case.
 
Even if its not a norm its becoming a norm to take the law into your own hands due to right wing leader comments that are all over the effin place w.r.t this.

Having said that its Rajasthan where Cong is in power they have the power to put the person behind bar but they will play politics with it as well.

Tell me the period when taking laws into your own hands was not the norm, or when hindus and muslims lived peacefully in independent india.
 
Shouldnt be a surprise - given the current mood in India


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On a serious note, its actually pretty scary how some here fell for something that was easily debunked. If educated posters like [MENTION=143738]CanadianG00se[/MENTION] can be duped, imagine how easy it would be to confuse the masses with fake news .

Fake news work because there is some reality which matches with the fake. If I generate a fake news saying two muslims lynched in india on suspicion of carrying beef, will you think it is fake? No. Because there is reality which matches it.
 
Fake news work because there is some reality which matches with the fake. If I generate a fake news saying two muslims lynched in india on suspicion of carrying beef, will you think it is fake? No. Because there is reality which matches it.

But where is even an ounce of reality in this Kerala case?? How many times did this Communist govt has imposed a black out in the media to prevent it’s people from getting any news?? Never in my lifetime afaik. You can never compare those beef lynching cases which “actually happens” in North India with these type of Fake news about Kerala.
 
But where is even an ounce of reality in this Kerala case?? How many times did this Communist govt has imposed a black out in the media to prevent it’s people from getting any news?? Never in my lifetime afaik. You can never compare those beef lynching cases which “actually happens” in North India with these type of Fake news about Kerala.

They did pass a resolution against CAA, where the state has no jurisdiction and the kerala govt is opposed to modi, so this fake news matches with some reality.
 
Fake news is similar to religion its down to faith , faith in current govn or dislike for current, similar with nationality, it has to do more with faith.

Very few people would check the fake news when it gives validation to their mental bias.
 
Indian democracy has already been killed , BJP , illegitimate child of RSS has destroyed the country with their ulterior motives and unfortunately the hindus of the country cannot see how much much harm they are doing in the name of religion , irony is that these RSS leaders self proclaimed caretakers of hinduism are not aware of hinduism themselves.
 
There is no better feeling than seeing Sanghis crying for betterment of Hindus in Kerala when Hindus in north India suffering. I have never seen Hindus in Kerala having issues with Kerala. It’s always North Indian Sang have issues with Kerala.
 
Fake news is similar to religion its down to faith , faith in current govn or dislike for current, similar with nationality, it has to do more with faith.

Very few people would check the fake news when it gives validation to their mental bias.

True news also gives validation to mental bias if you live in a filter bubble.
 
India is a sub-continent really, forcing it to be a country is the main problem
 
This is radical Hinduism giving a bad name to a religious slogan.
Time for moderate Hindus to come forward and claim their religion back.
 
Same Kerala where they had blackout on August 5 for obvious reason? Same Kerala which has become a new safe haven for IS?

Oh and how’s the transformation coming along from democracy to communism over there?

Not so God’s country after all.

Do you know why it’s called Gods own country? It’s not Just because for the sake of it. It literally is one of the few places in the country where Hindus Muslims ChristinS heck even jews and sikhs get along and live peacefully without any issues. We put the people first don’t put religion and animals on a pedestal and we vote for leaders who put the country first. Bjp in a million years will never win in Kerala because we see right through their heinous policies of putting religion and caste before anything else.
 
Do you know why it’s called Gods own country? It’s not Just because for the sake of it. It literally is one of the few places in the country where Hindus Muslims ChristinS heck even jews and sikhs get along and live peacefully without any issues. We put the people first don’t put religion and animals on a pedestal and we vote for leaders who put the country first. Bjp in a million years will never win in Kerala because we see right through their heinous policies of putting religion and caste before anything else.

yes, very few communal riots in kerala in the last two decades. credit goes to the state administration first. although ground is being prepared for riots in near future.
 
India is a sub-continent really, forcing it to be a country is the main problem

Similar to Pakistan, now that the country has been made this way it will stay this way all the division along regional lines should had been done in 1947
 
Tell me the period when taking laws into your own hands was not the norm, or when hindus and muslims lived peacefully in independent india.

I think this is a fair argument. Indians on internet do not really reflect their population, they will say nice and civilised stuff to appear like westerners, but reality is brutally different. Mob law works in India, because that is what they understand.

It is not that much different in Pakistan, only the mechanics are different. There the mob law is infused with Sharia tint because the people get their ideology partly from old Indian culture, and partly from Quran.
 
I find most Muslims to be quite rigid in general. For example, if someone puts a gun on my head and asks me to chant Allahu Akbar, I will just do that and get out of the situation instead of deciding to put up a resistance and get smashed in the process.

Yes the perpetrator should be punished by the law as one has no business forcing his/her ideology on someone. But when you are in the middle of a soup, why not just look to get out of it?
 
I find most Muslims to be quite rigid in general. For example, if someone puts a gun on my head and asks me to chant Allahu Akbar, I will just do that and get out of the situation instead of deciding to put up a resistance and get smashed in the process.

Yes the perpetrator should be punished by the law as one has no business forcing his/her ideology on someone. But when you are in the middle of a soup, why not just look to get out of it?

Tabrez Ansari chanted what the mob wanted him to chant and was still killed. Those mobs are looking to hurt and humiliate, do you think they will stop and peacefully disperse if someone complied with them?


From the little I know, from the Islamic point of view it's not a sin if you are forced to do/say something to save your life. Anyways I think the focus should be more on what is fueling these murderous mobs rather than talking about what the victim should do cause no matter what the they do, I don't think they are getting away unharmed after being cornered.
 
I gave you a solution. Not my fault you have a problem comprehending it.

Fair enough. Your solution assumes that moderate hindus are enough to overthrow the BJP government. And they voted for BJP in the first place. Your solution also assumes that hinduism is hijacked when BJP is in power, and will be reclaimed by moderates when BJP in not in power. So who was in power in 1992? How was BJP able to hijack despite not being in power and not being a strong opposition even? There are other flaws with your "solution" too, but I will just list these few.

Now try to think through it and give a better solution.
 
Fair enough. Your solution assumes that moderate hindus are enough to overthrow the BJP government. And they voted for BJP in the first place. Your solution also assumes that hinduism is hijacked when BJP is in power, and will be reclaimed by moderates when BJP in not in power. So who was in power in 1992? How was BJP able to hijack despite not being in power and not being a strong opposition even? There are other flaws with your "solution" too, but I will just list these few.

Now try to think through it and give a better solution.
I guess in your excitement you missed the part where I wrote “start by” in my post. “Start by” kicking out the extremists.

Let me try again. There would be additional steps required to reclaim but kicking out the extremists in power is a good start, isn’t it? How hard is it to understand this? Unbelievable.

Please improve your reading comprehension and before we can continue this discussion.
 
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I guess in your excitement you missed the part where I wrote “start by” in my post. “Start by” kicking out the extremists.

Let me try again. There would be additional steps required to reclaim but kicking out the extremists in power is a good start, isn’t it? How hard is it to understand this? Unbelievable.

Please improve your reading comprehension and before we can continue this discussion.

So you concede it is not a solution, but just a pre requisite to the solution.

You should improve your composition first and don't call it a solution.

But even your pre-requisite did not answer the flaws in your assumption. Do you think it was the moderates+extremists voted the BJP in power, and if the moderates withdraw the support, BJP will not be in power? So it begs the question, why did the moderates vote for BJP in the first place, not once but twice, and why are they remaining silent?

Think through it.
 
You didn’t get it again? Any way. I appreciate your efforts. Will reply when you make sense.

Don’t stop trying. Good luck.

I got it. You concede it was not a solution you gave, but only a start. We are on the same page.

You didn't answer the flaws in the start you gave.

Once you clarify, we can move to the next stages of the solution.

Don't know why you are withholding such useful information which can help reduce extremism.
 
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