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My first experience on a matrimonial site and what I have experienced, learnt so far

I can't take this thread seriously. Savak has been opening such threads about marriage for the longest time and I feel as though this is now just trolling.

I'd recommend people here to look at Savak's other threads

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...l-and-physical-ailments-in-arranged-marriages

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...iages-in-our-Culture-(esp-arranged-marriages)

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...girl-on-his-side-for-arranged-marriages-today

These are the ones I could find. I'm sure there's more. He's been posting about the same stuff for 6-7 years now. In fact, I've hardly ever seen him post anything but threads on marriage.

His views and opinions are so deranged that a normal educated person could not be posting this sort of stuff unless he was trolling.

People need to stop falling for this already.

My favorite one was where he asked if a guy needs the girl on his side to get married to her. It was so audacious, almost Gabbar-esque.

No you do not need the girl's approval to get married to her. Sooner or later Stockholm Syndrome is bound to kick in and then she's yours for life.
 
Savak - I saw your thread a few months ago regarding this topic, and i thought you were just trolling. However i then saw the same thread on a couple of other Pakistani forums, so i thought he must be serious, surely no one would troll to this degree. Now i see you asking again on the same topic on multiple forums, so I thought maybe i could provide some advice since you seem to be confused. I am posting first time ever on a online forum just for you bro, so here it goes:

First you need to decide if you want to marry the Traditional way, or do you want to go the Westernized route. If you look hard enough you will see there are happy marriages, ok marriages, and bad marriages either way.

If you want to talk to a girl a few times, and then get your parents involved that's a Traditional marriage, with the only difference being you introducing the girl instead of your parents introducing you.
In a Traditional Pakistani marriage both guys and girls look at two primary things , Money and Looks. Everything else is secondary. A weakness in one area can be overcome with a strength in the other.

From your posts you want the following attributes in a ideal spouse: should be hot, significantly younger than you, should be from same socio economic status as your family, should be highly educated, should have the potential to earn alot of money (seems you want a doctor, they earn way more than a accountant), be a homemaker (im guessing you want her to cook, clean).

You shouldn't sell yourself short but at the same time you need to be realistic of what you can possibly obtain. And what you are asking for is unrealistic.
More realistic options would be the following:

Option 1 : marry someone around your age +/- 5 years, who is highly educated with a good salary. You said you had some interest among late 20's , and early 30's females. so you can go that route. If the girl is earning the same or more money than you she will probably want 50/50 on chores.

Option 2: Marry a less educated women who is younger than you. you said you had interest from a couple of girls with a bcom degree. Yes money will be a factor in them marrying you, but that doesn't mean that those marriages wont work. They could be a housewife and cook and clean , and look after kids. Plus its possible for them do some part time work.

Option3 : Move back to Pakistan. Your family is from the upper middle class if i remember correctly. There are alot of Middle Class girls who have went to good private schools, who are 10 -15 years younger than you, who wouldn't mind marrying an older guy if you could provide them with a Begum Sahiba lifestyle. Maids, Cook, driver, etc. They would get a life of leisure, basically a trophy wife. Again those marriages while initially motivated on money on the girls part, and looks on the guy's part, can still be successful.

Anyway I hope that was helpful, and best of luck to you.

P.S - From your other thread to answer your question, do you need to have the girl on your side for an arranged marriage before you send a rishta. The answer is no. Once the rishta is sent then the girls family will first decide if its suitable, and then they will ask the girl if she wants to consider the rishta. If she does, then usually the guy and girl speak a few times to see if they are compatible.
 
Savak - I saw your thread a few months ago regarding this topic, and i thought you were just trolling. However i then saw the same thread on a couple of other Pakistani forums, so i thought he must be serious, surely no one would troll to this degree. Now i see you asking again on the same topic on multiple forums, so I thought maybe i could provide some advice since you seem to be confused. I am posting first time ever on a online forum just for you bro, so here it goes:

First you need to decide if you want to marry the Traditional way, or do you want to go the Westernized route. If you look hard enough you will see there are happy marriages, ok marriages, and bad marriages either way.

If you want to talk to a girl a few times, and then get your parents involved that's a Traditional marriage, with the only difference being you introducing the girl instead of your parents introducing you.
In a Traditional Pakistani marriage both guys and girls look at two primary things , Money and Looks. Everything else is secondary. A weakness in one area can be overcome with a strength in the other.

From your posts you want the following attributes in a ideal spouse: should be hot, significantly younger than you, should be from same socio economic status as your family, should be highly educated, should have the potential to earn alot of money (seems you want a doctor, they earn way more than a accountant), be a homemaker (im guessing you want her to cook, clean).

You shouldn't sell yourself short but at the same time you need to be realistic of what you can possibly obtain. And what you are asking for is unrealistic.
More realistic options would be the following:

Option 1 : marry someone around your age +/- 5 years, who is highly educated with a good salary. You said you had some interest among late 20's , and early 30's females. so you can go that route. If the girl is earning the same or more money than you she will probably want 50/50 on chores.

Option 2: Marry a less educated women who is younger than you. you said you had interest from a couple of girls with a bcom degree. Yes money will be a factor in them marrying you, but that doesn't mean that those marriages wont work. They could be a housewife and cook and clean , and look after kids. Plus its possible for them do some part time work.

Option3 : Move back to Pakistan. Your family is from the upper middle class if i remember correctly. There are alot of Middle Class girls who have went to good private schools, who are 10 -15 years younger than you, who wouldn't mind marrying an older guy if you could provide them with a Begum Sahiba lifestyle. Maids, Cook, driver, etc. They would get a life of leisure, basically a trophy wife. Again those marriages while initially motivated on money on the girls part, and looks on the guy's part, can still be successful.

Anyway I hope that was helpful, and best of luck to you.

P.S - From your other thread to answer your question, do you need to have the girl on your side for an arranged marriage before you send a rishta. The answer is no. Once the rishta is sent then the girls family will first decide if its suitable, and then they will ask the girl if she wants to consider the rishta. If she does, then usually the guy and girl speak a few times to see if they are compatible.

Hey Ghareeb Admi. This is a wonderful response from you. I am definitely not trolling, I like to ask the same question on multiple forums as I believe when you get a thousand opinions you will get 30 good opinions. Also in a weird way I get a kick out of criticism from certain people at times.

The hardest part about going through this process is the fact that your parents, elders and some parties who have a vested interest in getting their daughters who are between 28-32 plus married off to you is that they completely forget or remove from the equation that I the guy involved am also a human being. To them marriage is just a completely practical decision devoid of any feelings, emotions.

As far as age is concerned, the 2-3 girls I have liked in my life have been 5 years, 7 years and 9 years younger than me. And none of them were from the Urdu medium, Inter, Metric background, all these girls had come from educated families, upper middle class families and had gone through the O/A level system and eventually went to the top schools in Pakistan for their various fields. But I am not hell bent on age alone and looks alone are not the deciding factor as to me someone good looking but not having a good education will be a hard sell for me to my parents.

As far as Option 1 is concerned, sure why not. Just day before yesterday I was speaking to a girl from Lahore working in the US as a graphic designer, her pics were absolutely gorgeous and we chatted for 3 hours. But I was put off by her because she kept referencing her 8 year relationship with her ex boyfriend which failed. But my parents are off this opinion given my relaxed, laid back personality, a headstrong woman could potentially treat me as a door mat and we have heard plenty of anecdotes where two well settled people who married late in life couldn't make it work because they were just to well set in their careers, life style, circle of friends. If I do find someone I get along with sure, this can be considered but right now my folks will prefer to avoid this

Option 2 is debatable, my mother specifically mentioned to me that you don't want a wife who is strictly a bcom, inter, metric student. Maybe she feels it is not a good idea because in today's time both husband and wife need to work. Maybe if she finds out about a really lovely girl who comes through a very powerful reference or recommendation, she may discuss with me.

Option 3, lol I think this requires the guy to be very well settled. This doesn't appear to be likely given that there are no immediate plans to move back to Pakistan. This is another part of the problem where my future in the next 3-5 years is up in the air, will I continue to live in Canada? Will I continue to live in the US? Or will I move back to Pakistan? Because if I choose a Pak or Indian origin girl from Canada or the US, then the decision to move back to Pakistan becomes difficult. Also the decision to move back is a possibility because my mother is not well at the moment and I personally doubt she would want to live in the West going forward, at the moment my dad is like he will take care of her in the long run and told us i.e. the kids he does not want us to worry about it, but I cannot let him do it alone and I have realized anything can happen at any time in life.

For ten long years I had intense feelings for a girl, In the beginning of 2016 I decided I would take a leap of faith with her, she and her family knew my family so we were not strangers, I tried everything to make it happen from pressing my own family to trying to speak to her, I did as much research on her as I could and tried to apply the knowledge, information I knew but nothing worked. I am now at a point where I wish she could just give me an opportunity to tell her and I can get the No from her in writing and close the chapter for good. A complete waste of time, energy it all turned out to be in the end and these are times when I wish the almighty could just tell us where to expend your time, energy wisely.
 
When girls get close to 30, parents who want to go the Traditional marriage route for their daughter start getting desperate. However you are under no obligation to marry them. This is the biggest decision of you life, you need to do what is best for yourself. Also keep in mind if you were unemployed, or working at McDonald's your market value would be close to zero, and these girls even the ones who are desperate would refuse to marry you. So you have every right to refuse if your parents, and others try to pressurize you into marriage.

Also keep in mind you dont know really know the personality of the girl with the few conversations you get if you go the Traditional Route. You really wont know until marriage, so there is nothing wrong with putting importance on looks. Another thing to keep in mind is these days with Social Media, pretty much every girl considers herself attractive so dont assume that if the girl is average, or even below average that she will have a nice personality, while if she's hot she will be high maintenance. I have seen girls in my own family who are attractive with nice sweet personalities, and then there are other ones who are mediocre looking with nasty personalities. And while in a perfect situation you get both good personality and nice looks, if unfortunately you end up with a girl with a bad personality it will be easier to tolerate if she is attractive rather than ugly.

I agree with your parents in the sense that you should avoid those feminazi type women, those people are not marriage material. However that doesn't really have much to do with age. There can be 22 year olds with that type of personality and 32 olds dont have it.

As far as the Lahore girl who had a 8 year relationship, does it bother you if a girl has dated? Would it bother your parents? Would you be ok if your daughter dates? Those are the type of things you need to think about. Having a boyfriend doesn't mean she is headstrong, but it does mean she is pretty liberal as she is openly admitting it.

I have lived in US my whole life, but i have relatives in Pakistan, and I have been there many times. Seems most people middle class (I might be mixiup up middle class with upper middle class, and upper middle class with elite families) and up are sending there children to English Medium schools, and they are taking there O/A Levels. You said in a earlier comment tho that a MA in Literature was rejected by your family. So its not really good Education that you want its money. Nothing wrong in that, but keep in mind those girls market value is higher than those who dont have high earning potential like a Masters in Urdu.

Anyway another Option for you would be to ask friends or relatives who have wives who would be the type of girls you would be interested in if they were single. They might have friends, sisters, cousins, etc who are like them.

Online is also a good option, I know people who have found their spouse through websites and Apps, so keep doing that as well.

As far as that girl that you had a crush is concerned, i went back and read that thread, and I can come up with the following reasons your parents are not sending a rishta there:

1 - They asked a third party (mutual friend, relative) to see if the parents were interested, and they got a vibe that they were not.

2 - They feared rejection, and wanted to avoid embarrassment and decided not to send a rishta to save face. At that time you were struggling with your job, and since this is a pretty girl (which means her market value is high) from an equal socio economic status they didn't think the rishta would get accepted.

3 - They really dont think that girl is a good match for you.

As far as what to do now, best bet is to find someone else and forget about her. Lets put this way if you have someone just as attractive would you be able to move on? Or would you still long for her?
 
In J&k there are no job prospects even if you are a doctor. There is nothing here for an average joe, private sector doesnt exist because of the conflict.
Secondly, MA in English isnt a low education and you know it. Getting a job is a different thing. You can say it doesnt have great job prospects, that makes more sense than calling it low education. Its a masters degree at the end of the day.
Thirdly, Savak made it clear in his posts that he wants a good home maker as his wife. So MA not getting you good jobs is irrelevant in this case.

Its not low Education , but its like academic degree not a professional one. One has to get some more skills and then job prospects would improve
 
Reading Ghareeb Admi's posts is a massive breath of fresh air from the typical criticism, mocking you receive from Pakistani guys.

My folks are basically imploring me to move on from the girl given that she is not responding to me on social media anymore. Even more demoralizing is the fact that they are still insisting on the same options in the family that i turned down many times in the past.Right now i am just too bitter and upset that they did nothing all this while to even try to help me and put me in a very impossible position. I mean what is the point of acquiring fame, reputation, professional status, money on this planet if you cannot even create an impression on a family with an attractive daughter and it is even more demoralizing when the world is full of examples when parents got up to approach families with attractive daughters for their sons where they had no contact, link with.

This whole episode wrecked my motivation along the way as far as my career, academics was concerned because deep down i realized and learnt that it is just pointless and does nothing to increase a guys market value to families.

I told my folks about the matrimonial website experiment and their immediate response was "Tauba Tauba, are you really that highly desperate? You must really have a very poor opinion of yourself".

I recently heard Salman Khan mention that he feels he is too old for love now and he doesn't think he will ever fall in love again. I am feeling like that these days.
 
Today i probably found the most good looking girl on the app so far, she is 22 years old as per her profile which her sister created. Her sister is the one doing all the communication on her behalf and the one i am interacting. However there are a few stumbling blocks, according to the sister, the girl in question has done her Bachelors in Political Science but then did a beautician course and wants to be a beautician in the long run, something i fear is not going to fly with my folks.

Secondly the sister is insisting on a bizzare condition which she says is non-negotiable i.e. a stipulation needs to be made in the nikkah that after marriage no restrictions will be imposed on her for visiting her family and that she needs to be allowed to travel to Pakistan from Canada/USA to visit her family every year.

So far the sister is insisting that she handles all the communication and that she won't let me talk to the girl in question until she gets comfortable dealing with me but lol even i need to make sure what is the reality behind the scenes i.e. Does this girl know a word of English or how to write the language? How did someone who ended up completing a Bachelors in Political Science end up as a beautician? Are her pics actually genuine, recent and is she actually 22 or older? I hate it when people start making demands, conditions from the onset and don't even allow you the opportunity to examine things in terms of whether it will work for you or not.
 
Today i probably found the most good looking girl on the app so far, she is 22 years old as per her profile which her sister created. Her sister is the one doing all the communication on her behalf and the one i am interacting. However there are a few stumbling blocks, according to the sister, the girl in question has done her Bachelors in Political Science but then did a beautician course and wants to be a beautician in the long run, something i fear is not going to fly with my folks.

Secondly the sister is insisting on a bizzare condition which she says is non-negotiable i.e. a stipulation needs to be made in the nikkah that after marriage no restrictions will be imposed on her for visiting her family and that she needs to be allowed to travel to Pakistan from Canada/USA to visit her family every year.

So far the sister is insisting that she handles all the communication and that she won't let me talk to the girl in question until she gets comfortable dealing with me but lol even i need to make sure what is the reality behind the scenes i.e. Does this girl know a word of English or how to write the language? How did someone who ended up completing a Bachelors in Political Science end up as a beautician? Are her pics actually genuine, recent and is she actually 22 or older? I hate it when people start making demands, conditions from the onset and don't even allow you the opportunity to examine things in terms of whether it will work for you or not.

Seems dodgy my friend; I would stay away personally.
 
Today i probably found the most good looking girl on the app so far, she is 22 years old as per her profile which her sister created. Her sister is the one doing all the communication on her behalf and the one i am interacting. However there are a few stumbling blocks, according to the sister, the girl in question has done her Bachelors in Political Science but then did a beautician course and wants to be a beautician in the long run, something i fear is not going to fly with my folks.

Secondly the sister is insisting on a bizzare condition which she says is non-negotiable i.e. a stipulation needs to be made in the nikkah that after marriage no restrictions will be imposed on her for visiting her family and that she needs to be allowed to travel to Pakistan from Canada/USA to visit her family every year.

So far the sister is insisting that she handles all the communication and that she won't let me talk to the girl in question until she gets comfortable dealing with me but lol even i need to make sure what is the reality behind the scenes i.e. Does this girl know a word of English or how to write the language? How did someone who ended up completing a Bachelors in Political Science end up as a beautician? Are her pics actually genuine, recent and is she actually 22 or older? I hate it when people start making demands, conditions from the onset and don't even allow you the opportunity to examine things in terms of whether it will work for you or not.

Which website/app are you using by the way? Is there a particular one which is better than the other
 
Which website/app are you using by the way? Is there a particular one which is better than the other

So far its the usual one, i would rather not name because then i will be accussed of advertising for them. I have registered for a few Pakistani ones but haven't paid for them yet.

I wish there was one confirmed website which catered to educated, middle class, upper middle class folks and filtered out all the undesirable stuff.
 
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