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New documentary explores Australia-India rivalry - '2 Nations, 1 Obsession'

Like why are you so adamant to prove that they care about this rivalry? Calm down mate, what difference does it make if they do or they do not consider India a rival. Jeez

Trust me, it makes no difference to us what Aussies feel....we couldnt care less. But most of Indian fans are being vocal here bcoz certain posters just dismissing the OP saying its a marketing gimmick. Even if it is, they have no proof to back it.

Personally, I think Ind-Pak is the biggest rivalry. But since we dont play test cricket (real cricket), the 2nd biggest rivalry is against Aussies as the series between 2 sides being always cut throat.
 
Like why are you so adamant to prove that they care about this rivalry? Calm down mate, what difference does it make if they do or they do not consider India a rival. Jeez

How you know that Australians do not consider India as rival
And more than Indians Pakistani jumping up n down to prove that Australians don't consider India as rival... The insecurity of few posters have reached a laughable level now...
And I can asked you the same question thtat you are asking in ur post
Calm down bhai What difference does it make if Australia consider India as rival.. Why so admant to prove that they don't care about the rivalry...
 
If India beats Australia in Australia, then definitely the rivalry is on.

To get the Aussies to respect you, you have to beat them in their home.
 
If India beats Australia in Australia, then definitely the rivalry is on.

To get the Aussies to respect you, you have to beat them in their home.

Even draw will do
Some teams failed to do even that since almost 2 decade
 
This is the real rivalry in cricket. Langer has already called winning a test series in India as the biggest challenge in cricket and rightly so .
 
It's okay if Australia doesn't consider India a serious rivalry but by resting Kohli in Asia Cup, we proved we least care about any Asian team and any sort of rivalry between them.

India's rivalry is mostly with Australia, South Africa and England. That is the only four teams that matter in cricket world today and the rest are made just for numbers.
 
It's okay if Australia doesn't consider India a serious rivalry but by resting Kohli in Asia Cup, we proved we least care about any Asian team and any sort of rivalry between them.

India's rivalry is mostly with Australia, South Africa and England. That is the only four teams that matter in cricket world today and the rest are made just for numbers.

Ok then rating was very low i think playing against pakistan.Indian board ay not consider it but people still has the obsession,,,and i think the rating proves it,,,personally i will like my team to perform well even of it is afghanistan and we should not be begging or trying to prove the rivalry exist between us and the enemy country on cricket field as we do not play each other.But if not rivalry but interest level is definitely higher.
 
It’s hardly a rivalry

Kinda like Serena-Sharapova rivalry
 
Pakistanis are desperate to prove that there isn't a rivalry.

CA made the documentary but our padosis are like "No! Aussies don't know what they want! Only Pakistanis know what Australia wants!"

I think we all know the reason why. But some people are too insecure about their relevance (or lack thereof) on the global stage. So we shall just have to leave it unsaid.

Good point. It wouldn't be much of an Indian/Aussie rivalry if it couldn't be examined in detail on a Pakistani cricket forum. Thanks bro. :)
 
Rivalry is among the equals.. Both teams slapping each other at their respective home can hardly be considered as such.
 
This is just pure business and nothing else. Cricketing wise there is no rivalry as the cricketing results don't merit the claim. India atleast gets to play in Australia consistently after every 3 years. Pakistan has to settle for 5-6 years and even then we aren't given sufficient practice games
 
How you know that Australians do not consider India as rival
And more than Indians Pakistani jumping up n down to prove that Australians don't consider India as rival... The insecurity of few posters have reached a laughable level now...
And I can asked you the same question thtat you are asking in ur post
Calm down bhai What difference does it make if Australia consider India as rival.. Why so admant to prove that they don't care about the rivalry...

Ok, I'm about as "traditional" Aussie as you get. Anglo origins on each side going back in some generations to settlers/convicts. And I can tell you we DO see India as a cricket rival. England will always be the rivalry mainstream/casual cricket fans care about most. But it doesn't mean we don't have others.

There are several facets which have built up the rivalry;

It was/is so hard for Oz teams to win in India. Victories there are so rare but are spoken about for decades after as a great achievement. It took 3 decades after an Aussie team in 1970 (Bill LAwry) for Australia to win again in India, despite all our good teams and great players.
S.Waugh's all conquering team started calling India, "the final frontier" and the name stuck in the press. This was an ATG team who played some incredible series there but couldn't win. The rivalry/mystique grew.

By the time 2004 rolled around, we still had an ATG team. Again an incredible Test series was played (I was there at Chennai- great 4 days and in India travelling for a good section of some other tests and there was a buzz in the country). Finally Oz had done it again. Players revealed years of planning and admitting they had to change their mindset and usual tactics ti do it (this, from a team who steamrolled most others and trusted their usual, aggressive "methods" like a religious mantra). You can only have a rivalry if victory seems possible... so the rivalry grew.

Later came Kumble's learned echo of Woodfulls- "there are two teams out there but only one of them is playing cricket" comment after a spiteful home series. Monkeygate etc. More fuel to the fire.

On a social front India has risen from a country Oz & England used to be patronising or arrogant to, to a growing world power in its own right. The financial centre of cricket. The shoe is on the other foot and noe India bully Australia and other nations with money power and influence. A twist in the rivalry. Adds to the feeling on both sides I'm sure- a new pleasure for India, a new power and it rankles and needles Oz a little bit.Oz aren't used to India who sledge and boast and bark back.

The fact India is now a very strong team, with ambitions to compete and win in foreign conditions (last genuinely seen in the Ganguly era imo), with fast bowlers and attitude make the cricket exciting and the rivalry relevant.

I think we play each other a bit too often (is it still every single year in ODI). That can be ok but if we must play every year, make it a different format each year perhaps.

The rivalry doesn't match the Ashes but it is growing and fun to see where it will head. I think it will take India to beat Oz at home to really kick it off but even some more drawn series with good cricket here would catch on even more.
 
I am very happy to tell you what most Aussie cricket fans think of India.

Fans aged over 25 think that India got lucky in 2003-4 by touring Australia when McGrath and Warne were unavailable, got a drawn series as a result, then four years later thought they were better than they really were and resorted to racist sledging and poor sportsmanship when they got beaten.

Fans under 25 don’t think of India at all.

Bear in mind that ODI and T20i cricket have just ended their time on free-to-Air TV in Australia. Those formats will now become invisible to the Aussie public. International 20 and 50 overs cricket is now going to die out in Australia.

India’s limited overs success will consequently be unknown in Australia.
 
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I am very happy to tell you what most Aussie cricket fans think of India.

Fans aged over 25 think that India got lucky in 2003-4 by touring Australia when McGrath and Warne were unavailable, got a drawn series as a result, then four years later thought they were better than they really were and resorted to racist sledging and poor sportsmanship when they got beaten.

Fans under 25 don’t think of India at all.

Bear in mind that ODI and T20i cricket have just ended their time on free-to-Air TV in Australia. Those formats will now become invisible to the Aussie public. International 20 and 50 overs cricket is now going to die out in Australia.

India’s limited overs success will consequently be unknown in Australia.

Are you the resident Aussie mind reader in this forum? Aussies consider England as their rivals, it’s because of the Ashes.
India may not be up to the level of England in rivalry, but Aussie cricket fans do consider India as their rivals.
 
No one is claiming that its as big as the ashes. Its probably the 2nd or 3rd biggest rivalry in cricket, depending on the strength of SA and NZ.
 
ok, i'm about as "traditional" aussie as you get. Anglo origins on each side going back in some generations to settlers/convicts. And i can tell you we do see india as a cricket rival. England will always be the rivalry mainstream/casual cricket fans care about most. But it doesn't mean we don't have others.

There are several facets which have built up the rivalry;

it was/is so hard for oz teams to win in india. Victories there are so rare but are spoken about for decades after as a great achievement. It took 3 decades after an aussie team in 1970 (bill lawry) for australia to win again in india, despite all our good teams and great players.
S.waugh's all conquering team started calling india, "the final frontier" and the name stuck in the press. This was an atg team who played some incredible series there but couldn't win. The rivalry/mystique grew.

By the time 2004 rolled around, we still had an atg team. Again an incredible test series was played (i was there at chennai- great 4 days and in india travelling for a good section of some other tests and there was a buzz in the country). Finally oz had done it again. Players revealed years of planning and admitting they had to change their mindset and usual tactics ti do it (this, from a team who steamrolled most others and trusted their usual, aggressive "methods" like a religious mantra). You can only have a rivalry if victory seems possible... So the rivalry grew.

Later came kumble's learned echo of woodfulls- "there are two teams out there but only one of them is playing cricket" comment after a spiteful home series. Monkeygate etc. More fuel to the fire.

On a social front india has risen from a country oz & england used to be patronising or arrogant to, to a growing world power in its own right. The financial centre of cricket. The shoe is on the other foot and noe india bully australia and other nations with money power and influence. A twist in the rivalry. Adds to the feeling on both sides i'm sure- a new pleasure for india, a new power and it rankles and needles oz a little bit.oz aren't used to india who sledge and boast and bark back.

The fact india is now a very strong team, with ambitions to compete and win in foreign conditions (last genuinely seen in the ganguly era imo), with fast bowlers and attitude make the cricket exciting and the rivalry relevant.

I think we play each other a bit too often (is it still every single year in odi). That can be ok but if we must play every year, make it a different format each year perhaps.

The rivalry doesn't match the ashes but it is growing and fun to see where it will head. I think it will take india to beat oz at home to really kick it off but even some more drawn series with good cricket here would catch on even more.

potw
 
This is the real rivalry in cricket. Langer has already called winning a test series in India as the biggest challenge in cricket and rightly so .

Langer is overhyping
Our Pakistani friends knows more than Australian coach and Aussie journalist about Australian priorities
 
Ok, I'm about as "traditional" Aussie as you get. Anglo origins on each side going back in some generations to settlers/convicts. And I can tell you we DO see India as a cricket rival. England will always be the rivalry mainstream/casual cricket fans care about most. But it doesn't mean we don't have others.

There are several facets which have built up the rivalry;

It was/is so hard for Oz teams to win in India. Victories there are so rare but are spoken about for decades after as a great achievement. It took 3 decades after an Aussie team in 1970 (Bill LAwry) for Australia to win again in India, despite all our good teams and great players.
S.Waugh's all conquering team started calling India, "the final frontier" and the name stuck in the press. This was an ATG team who played some incredible series there but couldn't win. The rivalry/mystique grew.

By the time 2004 rolled around, we still had an ATG team. Again an incredible Test series was played (I was there at Chennai- great 4 days and in India travelling for a good section of some other tests and there was a buzz in the country). Finally Oz had done it again. Players revealed years of planning and admitting they had to change their mindset and usual tactics ti do it (this, from a team who steamrolled most others and trusted their usual, aggressive "methods" like a religious mantra). You can only have a rivalry if victory seems possible... so the rivalry grew.

Later came Kumble's learned echo of Woodfulls- "there are two teams out there but only one of them is playing cricket" comment after a spiteful home series. Monkeygate etc. More fuel to the fire.

On a social front India has risen from a country Oz & England used to be patronising or arrogant to, to a growing world power in its own right. The financial centre of cricket. The shoe is on the other foot and noe India bully Australia and other nations with money power and influence. A twist in the rivalry. Adds to the feeling on both sides I'm sure- a new pleasure for India, a new power and it rankles and needles Oz a little bit.Oz aren't used to India who sledge and boast and bark back.

The fact India is now a very strong team, with ambitions to compete and win in foreign conditions (last genuinely seen in the Ganguly era imo), with fast bowlers and attitude make the cricket exciting and the rivalry relevant.

I think we play each other a bit too often (is it still every single year in ODI). That can be ok but if we must play every year, make it a different format each year perhaps.

The rivalry doesn't match the Ashes but it is growing and fun to see where it will head. I think it will take India to beat Oz at home to really kick it off but even some more drawn series with good cricket here would catch on even more.

Good post.
 
There's one aussie here and only his opinion matter.
Padosis feeling insecure
But but why they didn't make a video of aus-pak rivalry.
 
Ok, I'm about as "traditional" Aussie as you get. Anglo origins on each side going back in some generations to settlers/convicts. And I can tell you we DO see India as a cricket rival. England will always be the rivalry mainstream/casual cricket fans care about most. But it doesn't mean we don't have others.

There are several facets which have built up the rivalry;

It was/is so hard for Oz teams to win in India. Victories there are so rare but are spoken about for decades after as a great achievement. It took 3 decades after an Aussie team in 1970 (Bill LAwry) for Australia to win again in India, despite all our good teams and great players.
S.Waugh's all conquering team started calling India, "the final frontier" and the name stuck in the press. This was an ATG team who played some incredible series there but couldn't win. The rivalry/mystique grew.

By the time 2004 rolled around, we still had an ATG team. Again an incredible Test series was played (I was there at Chennai- great 4 days and in India travelling for a good section of some other tests and there was a buzz in the country). Finally Oz had done it again. Players revealed years of planning and admitting they had to change their mindset and usual tactics ti do it (this, from a team who steamrolled most others and trusted their usual, aggressive "methods" like a religious mantra). You can only have a rivalry if victory seems possible... so the rivalry grew.

Later came Kumble's learned echo of Woodfulls- "there are two teams out there but only one of them is playing cricket" comment after a spiteful home series. Monkeygate etc. More fuel to the fire.

On a social front India has risen from a country Oz & England used to be patronising or arrogant to, to a growing world power in its own right. The financial centre of cricket. The shoe is on the other foot and noe India bully Australia and other nations with money power and influence. A twist in the rivalry. Adds to the feeling on both sides I'm sure- a new pleasure for India, a new power and it rankles and needles Oz a little bit.Oz aren't used to India who sledge and boast and bark back.

The fact India is now a very strong team, with ambitions to compete and win in foreign conditions (last genuinely seen in the Ganguly era imo), with fast bowlers and attitude make the cricket exciting and the rivalry relevant.

I think we play each other a bit too often (is it still every single year in ODI). That can be ok but if we must play every year, make it a different format each year perhaps.

The rivalry doesn't match the Ashes but it is growing and fun to see where it will head. I think it will take India to beat Oz at home to really kick it off but even some more drawn series with good cricket here would catch on even more.
I fundamentally disagree, although it’s a great post.

No Aussies apart from cricket administrators think of India’s economic power in cricket.

Cricket is the poor cousin of both AFL and Rugby League, both of which are funded by gate receipts and TV rights in Australia.

Australia is a wealthy country which generates enough revenue for the international players to earn a seven figure income each year.

Yes, the top players top that up with IPL income - but they view that as free money for playing in a joke event.

Australia almost always lose away in Asia, which is why the Langer generation viewed India as the Final Frontier.

But they also beat India easily at home except when they are under-strength. No-one in Australia took the drawn series at home to India in 03-04 as seriously as the one drawn at home to New Zealand three years earlier, because there was no McGrath or Warne.

And people were baffled when the Indian team threatened to go home after Monkeygate. The Aussie view was that the Indians had overvalued the draw against Australia Minus Warne And McGrath in 03-04, and wrongly expected to compete in 07-08. And when they lost, the Aussie view is that they threw their toys out of the pram.

So even if India does well next month in Australia it will be disregarded in the exact same way, due to the absence of Smith and Warner. Everyone knows that this is a rubbish Indian team which has already lost six overseas Tests in 2018. If they do well in Australia it will be viewed as a consequence of the Cape Town ball tampering bans, not an actual achievement.
 
I fundamentally disagree, although it’s a great post.

No Aussies apart from cricket administrators think of India’s economic power in cricket.

Cricket is the poor cousin of both AFL and Rugby League, both of which are funded by gate receipts and TV rights in Australia.

Australia is a wealthy country which generates enough revenue for the international players to earn a seven figure income each year.

Yes, the top players top that up with IPL income - but they view that as free money for playing in a joke event.

Australia almost always lose away in Asia, which is why the Langer generation viewed India as the Final Frontier.

But they also beat India easily at home except when they are under-strength. No-one in Australia took the drawn series at home to India in 03-04 as seriously as the one drawn at home to New Zealand three years earlier, because there was no McGrath or Warne.

And people were baffled when the Indian team threatened to go home after Monkeygate. The Aussie view was that the Indians had overvalued the draw against Australia Minus Warne And McGrath in 03-04, and wrongly expected to compete in 07-08. And when they lost, the Aussie view is that they threw their toys out of the pram.

So even if India does well next month in Australia it will be disregarded in the exact same way, due to the absence of Smith and Warner. Everyone knows that this is a rubbish Indian team which has already lost six overseas Tests in 2018. If they do well in Australia it will be viewed as a consequence of the Cape Town ball tampering bans, not an actual achievement.

You are no doubt one of the most biased posters here with your so called expert Aussie opinion. Most of your "judgements" turn out to be miscalculated bullocks or outright lies. You behave more "Aussie" than Aussies themselves. Go visit cricket web forums and all and see for yourself how Aussies take the Ind-Aus rivalry.

You can keep your "Pakistani" views to yourself.
 
this is just to get viewers and ticket sales. this rivalry means peanuts to Australia.
 
You are no doubt one of the most biased posters here with your so called expert Aussie opinion. Most of your "judgements" turn out to be miscalculated bullocks or outright lies. You behave more "Aussie" than Aussies themselves. Go visit cricket web forums and all and see for yourself how Aussies take the Ind-Aus rivalry.

You can keep your "Pakistani" views to yourself.
Interestingly, the Indians refused to play a Day/Night Test at both Adelaide and Brisbane.

The three Day/Night Tests at Adelaide had huge TV and stadium viewing figures. Soon we will see just how popular India really is. And in direct comparison to England (170,000 tickets in 5 days), South Africa (150,000 in 4 days) and New Zealand (130,000 in 3 days).

Let’s see how the numbers stack up for India. And whether the “rivalry” truly exists.
 
I fundamentally disagree, although it’s a great post.

No Aussies apart from cricket administrators think of India’s economic power in cricket.

Cricket is the poor cousin of both AFL and Rugby League, both of which are funded by gate receipts and TV rights in Australia.

Australia is a wealthy country which generates enough revenue for the international players to earn a seven figure income each year.

Yes, the top players top that up with IPL income - but they view that as free money for playing in a joke event.

Australia almost always lose away in Asia, which is why the Langer generation viewed India as the Final Frontier.

But they also beat India easily at home except when they are under-strength. No-one in Australia took the drawn series at home to India in 03-04 as seriously as the one drawn at home to New Zealand three years earlier, because there was no McGrath or Warne.

And people were baffled when the Indian team threatened to go home after Monkeygate. The Aussie view was that the Indians had overvalued the draw against Australia Minus Warne And McGrath in 03-04, and wrongly expected to compete in 07-08. And when they lost, the Aussie view is that they threw their toys out of the pram.

So even if India does well next month in Australia it will be disregarded in the exact same way, due to the absence of Smith and Warner. Everyone knows that this is a rubbish Indian team which has already lost six overseas Tests in 2018. If they do well in Australia it will be viewed as a consequence of the Cape Town ball tampering bans, not an actual achievement.

Fair enough we disagree, but attending matches or talking with cricket fans here, I get a very different picture than yours. This is what I hear/why.

Of course we recognise India's economic power- yes we are wealthy enough to stand on our own- but we are not blind to witnessing the power this gives India. We see it in the pull of the IPL and watch with sadness as once great rivals such as WI are slowly shredded by the pull of IPL on players. We wonder who is next. We see it in the craven way our own Board jumped into bed with India in the Big Three fiasco, which was clearly going to be only about $ and pleasing India and not for the good of world cricket. We see it in India's influence over ICC player sanctions & test status approvals (hello Bangladesh). We see it in India's scheduling power vs other countries etc, Englands desperation to do catch up & rival or stave off the IPL. Just because we also have decent revenue doesn't mean we do not see the growth of this power and some diminishing of the old order.

Cricket is not "poor cousin" to the football codes.
a) Cricket is largely a summer sport- it owns the country during Summer and the football codes predominate in Winter.

b) Cricket is the ONLY truly national sport. Rugby League is only relevant on the East Coast (and not even the very Souther part of that). AFL covers a large area but not two of the largest population centres (NSW & QLD where it is still fairly minor, certainly not more important than cricket in the psyche).

c) Those football codes you mention are not international in scope (OK, RL is played in dirt poor PNG, is minor sport in NZ and played in only the Northern part of England). They can't match cricket's growth, reach and the money for top players is similar & Shield players earn as much (or more with BBL) as average footballers if you look at the wage MOST footballers or the top players in either sports command.

E.g Minimum wage in RL is $80 000, minimum Shield retainer + BBL minimum is $81 000 or so. Top 1% footballer might earn $1 million to $1.5 million. Top CA retainer is $1.5 million (captain) or $800 000, with MATCH PAYMENTS of $100/$200 000 easily possible on top of that.

And we haven't even got to IPL yet.

No-one disregards that drawn home series. They all hurt. It is the Australian TEAM, we expect them to do well whether or not certain players are in. We WON a WC without Warne. We lost him for a whole year with suspension and similar a punt for operations before and we don't disregard those years. I have NEVER heard anyone disregard the 2005 Ashes because McGrath trod on a ball and missed a match. We are Aussies, we expect the team to deal with adversity not make excuses.

We admit the Kiwi's out-thought us the other drawn series. We admit admit played well enough to draw on theirs. I've never heard the McGrath/Warnbe excuse, we had good players. We had McGill, Gillespie, Lee etc. If anything I hear people lament the pitches were a bit slow, but that has been happening over time for years.

If Anything I hear people enjoyed that series. If it's brought up it's with a wry smile at the way Ganguly came out swinging in Brisbane, he rode his luck for sure but made one of the best hundreds we'd seen by a visiting Asian batsmen in a live Test on our bounciest wicket since Roy Fredericks. He made a statement and we raised our eyebrows. They'd come to play.

I still hear talk about Kumble's courage at Adelaide, was he 0/100? Ended with 5/150 and never looked beaten, never hid, always wanted to bowl. He won a lot of fans that day. I remember newspapers calling him the heart of a lion.

Completely disagree with you on how that series is perceived. It was a cracker. If anything Warne/McGrath is never remembered, never mentioned because there was so much else to talk about than any random absences.

Monkey gate reaction was anger, not bafflement. It was the first hint of the aforesaid power over ICC and sanctions that Australians perceive India to have. It was a huge storm over who was in the right or wrong, with Aussies in debate on both camp. Strong opinions on our own players behaviour, on India's, on the shift in cricket power the boards displayed when India's board stepped in all over the top of the ICC and our own board sank down meekly. Anger. No one was baffled.

I respectfully disagree.
 
I am very happy to tell you what most Aussie cricket fans think of India.

Fans aged over 25 think that India got lucky in 2003-4 by touring Australia when McGrath and Warne were unavailable,

Warne missing a series or game against India is a plus for Australia, India have had no problem against Warne.
 
Interestingly, the Indians refused to play a Day/Night Test at both Adelaide and Brisbane.

The three Day/Night Tests at Adelaide had huge TV and stadium viewing figures. Soon we will see just how popular India really is. And in direct comparison to England (170,000 tickets in 5 days), South Africa (150,000 in 4 days) and New Zealand (130,000 in 3 days).

Let’s see how the numbers stack up for India. And whether the “rivalry” truly exists.

So basically its your own personal bias (a Pakistani living in Australia who claims to be of English origins) vs the actual Australians (the producer of the documentary), the 20 odd Australian cricketing greats interviewed, actual Aussie poster on the forum and countless others in other forums like cricketweb, etc.

I think we know whose opinion to consider with a bucketload of salt.
 
So basically its your own personal bias (a Pakistani living in Australia who claims to be of English origins) vs the actual Australians (the producer of the documentary), the 20 odd Australian cricketing greats interviewed, actual Aussie poster on the forum and countless others in other forums like cricketweb, etc.

I think we know whose opinion to consider with a bucketload of salt.
What nonsense!

A program was commissioned by Cricket Australia to try to market a series in which an under-strength Australia hosts an Indian team of Kohli Plus Ten Unknowns which has already lost 6 overseas Tests this year.

And that show paid several former players to give interviews as part of this paid programming advertisement.

But they, to you, are objective experts and I’m a Pakistani in disguise.

So I can only conclude that many India fans accept it as normal for cricket boards to pay past players for their supportive beliefs.

Well, we British certainly don’t accept paid propaganda as objective news, and most Australian cricket fans would be horrified (if they had ever heard of this program) to learn that it was commissioned by Cricket Australia.
 
During last 3-4 years, Australians travelling to India have increased manifolds. Be it business or otherwise, and the countless of them I met (lets just say my job demands interaction with them), most consider only Test cricket and ODI world cup (also the erstwhile Australian tri-series) as worthy cricket matches. For them, Ashes are the pinnacle of Cricket and they always look forward to that, the build up, the selection, etc.

For India, they perhaps are in awe with the general growth of the nation. From a country of poor snake charmers and timid cricketers, to an economic powerhouse who literally controls cricket. They actually hate BCCI and not the Indian team. If anything, they consider Indian batsmen as the only worthy lineup back in OZ. Also, tours to India are still considered most intense and tough (outside the Ashes).

As far as the 2003-4 series go, it was perhaps the only time an Asian side stood up on Australian soil against ATG's like Ponting, Waugh, Hayden. In fact, they consider Lee, Gillespie and McGill as Aussie greats unlike [MENTION=291]junaid[/MENTION] would like us to believe. *** this lineup won them countless series at home and ODI world cup in South Africa.
 
NZ haven't been Australia's rivals in the ~18 years I've watched cricket.

May have been the case in the 80s and 90s, but it's one sided, the sentiment is not reciprocated. We're like the younger brother who always jobs.

Kind of like All Blacks and the Wallabies for the last 10-15 years.
 
Rivalry is probably the wrong word. The best teams in the world always want to test themselves against each other, Imran Khan considered results against the West Indies the yardstick back in his heyday because they were the most powerful team by a distance.

Australia aren't even a rated team any more, and India just got thrashed by England. What is this rivalry about then? Which team can play second fiddle to their erstwhile colonial master?
 
India vs Australia is very much a rivalry and while Australia have won only one series in India in recent memory while India have only drawn a series in Australia, the closeness of some of the contests and the hot-headed confrontations between players from both sides has made it an interesting rivalry. India once again have their best chance of winning in Australia, just as they had in South Africa and England. However, it's important to note that Australia even without Smith and Warner are no push-overs especially in home-conditions. These are wickets where even someone like Shaun Marsh can turn into Brian Lara.

Indian batsmen unlike Sri Lankan and Pakistani batsmen actually know how to bat in Australia which will work in their favor when it comes to quelling the threat of Australia's pace-trio. However, ultimately India's bowlers will have to make the difference.
 
The Australia-India rivalry is one that has been brought about as a result of many on-field incidents and controversies similar to England-Pakistan.

There seems to be a lot of needle and underlying tension whenever the two teams play. India in the past were meek in the face of Australian sledging whereas recently under Ganguly and especially with Kohli, there's a greater willingness to fire back.
 
I am very happy to tell you what most Aussie cricket fans think of India.

Fans aged over 25 think that India got lucky in 2003-4 by touring Australia when McGrath and Warne were unavailable, got a drawn series as a result, then four years later thought they were better than they really were and resorted to racist sledging and poor sportsmanship when they got beaten.



India’s limited overs success will consequently be unknown in Australia.

2001 Border Gavaskar Trophy, India: Srinath and Kumble, our 2 best match winners on home pitches missed out courtesy injuries. Never see that brought up. Indian players buckled up, came back from the brink in Eden and won a hard fought series.

2004 BG India: Tendulkar and Ganguly missed 2 tests each, Harbhajan missed one. At least 2 of them were perennial high achievers in India-Australia clashes. We didn't complain, we gave the Aussies their due.

2005 Ashes: McGrath injury? Didn't stop from being rated as a legendary series.

Funny how these aren't brought up yet you keep harping about the 2003-04 series where McWarne missed out because of injury/doping. Similarly this year Smith and Warner will miss out because of their own mistakes, doesn't diminish what we do. When Federer and Nadal won everything the past 18 months, no one brought up Djokovic's injury, similarly applies to every sport. Even Imran's Pakistan faced an injury hit WI in the late 80s, wonder how that goes unnoticed by you?
[MENTION=129939]wrongun[/MENTION] great insights dude, appreciate thoughts coming from a real Aussie rather than some on PP pretending to be Aussies.
 
There are only 2 marquee rivalries in cricket, the Ashes and India-Pakistan.

But from time to time great rivalries develop depending upon (a combination of) the quality of contests, controversies, instances of a lesser team resisting a supposedly invincible opponent in the classic David vs Goliath sense etc. India-Australia rivalry from 1998 to 2008 is one such rivalry and probably the brightest example, that Australia was probably the greatest test team of all time and India was the only team resisting them. And not to add the numerous controversies when these 2 teams faced.

Aus were undisputed number 1 from 1995 till 2008 when they lost to SA at home. These are the Border Gavaskar series results:
1995 India 1-0
1998 India 2-1
1999 Aus 3-0
2001 India 2-1
2003 draw 1-1 (in Aus)
2004 Aus 2-1 (in India)
2007 Aus 2-1
2008 India 2-0
Overall 10-10 across 13 years, they won in India once while India drew in Australia once, rest of the series produced victors.

Other special non traditional rivalries:
WI-Pak in late 80s, again a lone team standing up eyeball to eyeball against a team of Titans, kinda like India-Australia but with a shorter shelf life.
Aus-WI in the 70s
Aus-SA in 2008-2015
Pak-Eng, running theme with controversies elevating the rivalry
Ind-SA 2004-2011, sublime quality
Eng-SA in the late 2000s and early part of this decade, a lesser example
 
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The Australia-India rivalry is one that has been brought about as a result of many on-field incidents and controversies similar to England-Pakistan.

There seems to be a lot of needle and underlying tension whenever the two teams play. India in the past were meek in the face of Australian sledging whereas recently under Ganguly and especially with Kohli, there's a greater willingness to fire back.

I still wouldn't call that a rivalry, it's more a case of proving your mettle in toughest conditions. Australia has always proved challenging for Asian teams due to the traditional bounce of the pitches, although not sure that is still the case. Vice versa, Indian dust bowls have proven challenging for Aussies. Pakistan has also never won in Aus, so for them it would be a massive result to aim for, but you wouldn't then call that a rivalry.

Pakistan has become less significant over the last decade due to having a poor team, same as West Indies. That's all there is to it, the stronger teams will consider each other more important as a result. If South Africa becomes the no 1 team in the next few years, suddenly everyone will start digging up a rivalry with them instead.
 
There are only 2 marquee rivalries in cricket, the Ashes and India-Pakistan.

But from time to time great rivalries develop depending upon (a combination of) the quality of contests, controversies, instances of a lesser team resisting a supposedly invincible opponent in the classic David vs Goliath sense etc. India-Australia rivalry from 1998 to 2008 is one such rivalry and probably the brightest example, that Australia was probably the greatest test team of all time and India was the only team resisting them. And not to add the numerous controversies when these 2 teams faced.

Aus were undisputed number 1 from 1995 till 2008 when they lost to SA at home. These are the Border Gavaskar series results:
1995 India 1-0
1998 India 2-1
1999 Aus 3-0
2001 India 2-1
2003 draw 1-1 (in Aus)
2004 Aus 2-1 (in India)
2007 Aus 2-1
2008 India 2-0
Overall 10-10 across 13 years, they won in India once while India drew in Australia once, rest of the series produced victors.

Other special non traditional rivalries:
WI-Pak in late 80s, again a lone team standing up eyeball to eyeball against a team of Titans, kinda like India-Australia but with a shorter shelf life.
Aus-WI in the 70s
Aus-SA in 2008-2015
Pak-Eng, running theme with controversies elevating the rivalry
Ind-SA 2004-2011, sublime quality
Eng-SA in the late 2000s and early part of this decade, a lesser example

Yes. Oz saw SA as a threat to our place as soon as they came back in to cricket (92?) and we have had tight series ever since. We play similar and there is often no love lost.

Good list.
 
I have watched few tests in Aus involving Ind in 00s. Simply based on reaction of fans, players, media etc, it felt like rivalry to me. Now it didn't get anywhere close to Ashes, but it was a rivalry.

Rivalry doesn't have to be like Ashes or Ind-Pakistan( it's dead now due to no test series, but talking about past here).
 
There are only 2 marquee rivalries in cricket, the Ashes and India-Pakistan.

But from time to time great rivalries develop depending upon (a combination of) the quality of contests, controversies, instances of a lesser team resisting a supposedly invincible opponent in the classic David vs Goliath sense etc. India-Australia rivalry from 1998 to 2008 is one such rivalry and probably the brightest example, that Australia was probably the greatest test team of all time and India was the only team resisting them. And not to add the numerous controversies when these 2 teams faced.

Aus were undisputed number 1 from 1995 till 2008 when they lost to SA at home. These are the Border Gavaskar series results:
1995 India 1-0
1998 India 2-1
1999 Aus 3-0
2001 India 2-1
2003 draw 1-1 (in Aus)
2004 Aus 2-1 (in India)
2007 Aus 2-1
2008 India 2-0
Overall 10-10 across 13 years, they won in India once while India drew in Australia once, rest of the series produced victors.

Great post here. Aus team had dominating record against all teams, except India. Also, it was not like just couple of series, it included 8-10 test series. That was the main reason many fans started seeing it as rivalry. Ganguly attitude of giving it back and BCCI getting more influence may have more fuel here, but can't be the main reason.
 
The Australia-India rivalry is one that has been brought about as a result of many on-field incidents and controversies similar to England-Pakistan.

There seems to be a lot of needle and underlying tension whenever the two teams play. India in the past were meek in the face of Australian sledging whereas recently under Ganguly and especially with Kohli, there's a greater willingness to fire back.

Except that India get destroyed time after time in Australia and it is boring. The only chance they have is when the Aussies lay out a flat pitch and batsmen (and even bowlers) on both sides score a mountain of runs.

Pakistan vs England is an actual rivalry because of the cricket. Of course, the off-field controversies help spice it up but the on-field action has to back it up.
 
Except that India get destroyed time after time in Australia and it is boring. The only chance they have is when the Aussies lay out a flat pitch and batsmen (and even bowlers) on both sides score a mountain of runs.

Pakistan vs England is an actual rivalry because of the cricket. Of course, the off-field controversies help spice it up but the on-field action has to back it up.

Actually stats show that India are 2nd best touring side to Australia this millennium. But then how will you know that? It's hard to see things when your vision is blinded by hatred towards a nation.
 
Actually stats show that India are 2nd best touring side to Australia this millennium. But then how will you know that? It's hard to see things when your vision is blinded by hatred towards a nation.

Please post these stats so we can all be blinded by the brilliance of the "2nd best touring side to Australia this millennium". South Africa, we all know, are huge rivals of Australia.
 
Except that India get destroyed time after time in Australia and it is boring. The only chance they have is when the Aussies lay out a flat pitch and batsmen (and even bowlers) on both sides score a mountain of runs.

Pakistan vs England is an actual rivalry because of the cricket. Of course, the off-field controversies help spice it up but the on-field action has to back it up.

Ya the same way Australia thrashed like a minnows every time they toured India no wonder Australian so obsessed to beat India in India they Name it thr final frontier
 
What an epic thread :)) Why do Indians care so much what Pakistanis or anyone else thinks whether it's a rivalry or not?
 
Apart from The Ashes, here are the results of the last two tours of Australia by their erstwhile “rivals”:

India
Last tour lost 2-0, 2 draws
Previous tour lost 4-0.

South Africa
Last tour won 2-1.
Previous tour won 2-1.

New Zealand
Last tour lost 2-0 (but it went down to the wire, 3 wickets away from 1-1).
Previous tour drawn 1-1.

Obviously the Australian public must look at those results and go “oh yes, India are our true rivals.”
 
Apart from The Ashes, here are the results of the last two tours of Australia by their erstwhile “rivals”:

India
Last tour lost 2-0, 2 draws
Previous tour lost 4-0.

South Africa
Last tour won 2-1.
Previous tour won 2-1.

New Zealand
Last tour lost 2-0 (but it went down to the wire, 3 wickets away from 1-1).
Previous tour drawn 1-1.

Obviously the Australian public must look at those results and go “oh yes, India are our true rivals.”


I am wondering why you considering only last two tours and discarding everything before that

May that doesn't suit your agenda

And also enlighten us with Australias record in the country you mentioned above
 
I am wondering why you considering only last two tours and discarding everything before that

May that doesn't suit your agenda

And also enlighten us with Australias record in the country you mentioned above

Because those are the players still playing.

Go back further than two tours and it is history, not rivalry. Wasim Akram is as relevant as Anil Kumble!
 
Because those are the players still playing.

Go back further than two tours and it is history, not rivalry. Wasim Akram is as relevant as Anil Kumble!

History has a big part to play in rivalry.

Otherwise even Ashes is also not a rivalry anymore.

England last won in Australia in 2012 and Australia hasn't won in England since 2002/03.
 
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Actually epic thread
Why do Pakistani care so much and so admant on india Australia rivalry

Pakistanis are trolling Indians, only because Indians are making it so easy to be trolled with their need for validation.. :))

On topic of this thread, I've never heard from any Australian friends about this rivalry. Not many of them care about cricket to begin with, but when they do it's all about the Ashes.
 
Ya the same way Australia thrashed like a minnows every time they toured India no wonder Australian so obsessed to beat India in India they Name it thr final frontier

Australia nearly won their last series in India. When was the last time India won a single match in Australia?

Apart from The Ashes, here are the results of the last two tours of Australia by their erstwhile “rivals”:

India
Last tour lost 2-0, 2 draws
Previous tour lost 4-0.

South Africa
Last tour won 2-1.
Previous tour won 2-1.

New Zealand
Last tour lost 2-0 (but it went down to the wire, 3 wickets away from 1-1).
Previous tour drawn 1-1.

Obviously the Australian public must look at those results and go “oh yes, India are our true rivals.”

Lol, it's funny, isn't it?

Everytime [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] comes face to face with some uncomfortable truth he runs away. Even though he is the one who asked for those stats.

As for your post: :)))

India has won two matches out of 16 against Australia. They've lost nine and haven't won a single test match during their last two tours. What sort of rivalry is this, lol?
 
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Oh! I get it.

So India is perceived by the Australian public* as its rival because:

1. South Africa has won 2 Test series in Australia this decade.
2. England has won 1 Test series in Australia this decade.
3. New Zealand has drawn 1 and lost 1 Test series in Australia this decade.
4. India has lost both Test series in Australia this decade.

Well it's just obvious, isn't it?

Clearly the big rivalry is with India.


* according to a documentary commissioned by Cricket Australia to advertise its series against India.
 
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Ad hominem attacks don't prove anything. Attack the argument not the person.

Repeating yourself again and again doesn't make it true.

One Aussie saying it doesn't make it true. Otherwise, if an Aussie claimed Nepal was their rival you would accept it then? Truth is independent of nationality.

One Aussie saying doesnt make it true but one poster Junaids who is extremely insecure about india and makes ridiculous threads and post about india all the time, saying something makes it the gospel
 
Pakistanis are trolling Indians, only because Indians are making it so easy to be trolled with their need for validation.. :))

On topic of this thread, I've never heard from any Australian friends about this rivalry. Not many of them care about cricket to begin with, but when they do it's all about the Ashes.

Come on, you can claim trolling all you like but there are certainly a lot of posters here with a huge chip in their shoulders wrt India. And the modus operandi ia the same, come and keep talking about India, try to put india down and if some people reply with their points they pat their backs about indians being trolled when they are ones (and not indians) putting in more effort in these posts in the first place
 
One Aussie saying doesnt make it true but one poster Junaids who is extremely insecure about india and makes ridiculous threads and post about india all the time, saying something makes it the gospel
I actually quite liked India until the 2007-08 tour. They had always been one of my favourite teams.

I remember really liking Srinath and Dravid and Laxman.

But the 2007-08 Monkeygate Affair left a deep scar on me and plenty of Aussie cricket fans. We saw India snatch defeat from the jaws of a draw at Sydney, having sledged Andrew Symonds in the most appalling way, and then threaten to call off the tour as if they were the victims!

They had clearly misinterpreted their drawn series four years earlier, and assumed that they were better than they really were.

And since that time I have seen a continuing pattern of appalling behavior by India.

I saw them bully and harass Darrell Harper - not Hair, the good one - into retirement in the West Indies. As far as I am concerned the entire team from Kohli to Dhoni should have been banned for life for their antics in the Caribbean.

I then saw them hold South Africa to ransom in 2013-14: refusing to confirm the itinerary and eventually secretly booking an overlapping tour to New Zealand to punish Cricket South Africa as political payback. Cape Town lost a Test which multiple small businesses were depending upon for financial survival, and lives were destroyed to settle a political score between Srinivasan and Lorgat.

Not that that modus operandi should have surprised me, and sure enough the BCCI did the exact same thing to the PCB ten months later, in October 2015, actually inviting PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan to Delhi, getting a visa issued for that purpose - only to fail to meet him at all once he got to Delhi, let alone schedule the series that was due to be played the next month. So the BCCI got to humiliate and impoverish the bosses of 2 other countries' cricket boards in a ten month orgy of economic aggression.

I will respect any team that earns that respect. But I'm awfully sorry, India's catalogue of offensive behavior over the last decade means that they have well and truly run out of credit with me.

Why am I writing this?

Because when I see a thread like this - in which advertising hype is confused with actual fact - then I will call out the absurdity of it any time.

I'm not anti-India. I'd far rather live in India than Pakistan. I admire how they have tackled fixing from Cronje to Sreesanth.

But when they claim imaginary status, stature or rivalries, I will point out the absurdity every time!
 
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I actually quite liked India until the 2007-08 tour. They had always been one of my favourite teams.

I remember really liking Srinath and Dravid and Laxman.

But the 2007-08 Monkeygate Affair left a deep scar on me and plenty of Aussie cricket fans. We saw India snatch defeat from the jaws of a draw at Sydney, having sledged Andrew Symonds in the most appalling way, and then threaten to call off the tour as if they were the victims!

They had clearly misinterpreted their drawn series four years earlier, and assumed that they were better than they really were.

And since that time I have seen a continuing pattern of appalling behavior by India.

I saw them bully and harass Darrell Harper - not Hair, the good one - into retirement in the West Indies. As far as I am concerned the entire team from Kohli to Dhoni should have been banned for life for their antics in the Caribbean.

I then saw them hold South Africa to ransom in 2013-14: refusing to confirm the itinerary and eventually secretly booking an overlapping tour to New Zealand to punish Cricket South Africa as political payback. Cape Town lost a Test which multiple small businesses were depending upon for financial survival, and lives were destroyed to settle a political score between Srinivasan and Lorgat.

Not that that modus operandi should have surprised me, and sure enough the BCCI did the exact same thing to the PCB ten months later, in October 2015, actually inviting PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan to Delhi, getting a visa issued for that purpose - only to fail to meet him at all once he got to Delhi, let alone schedule the series that was due to be played the next month. So the BCCI got to humiliate and impoverish the bosses of 2 other countries' cricket boards in a ten month orgy of economic aggression.

I will respect any team that earns that respect. But I'm awfully sorry, India's catalogue of offensive behavior over the last decade means that they have well and truly run out of credit with me.

Why am I writing this?

Because when I see a thread like this - in which advertising hype is confused with actual fact - then I will call out the absurdity of it any time.

I'm not anti-India. I'd far rather live in India than Pakistan. I admire how they have tackled fixing from Cronje to Sreesanth.

But when they claim imaginary status, stature or rivalries, I will point out the absurdity every time!

sa - 46.7%
ind - 56.25%
nz - 58.33%
eng - 76%
wi - 85.71%
sl - 85.71%
pak - 100%
this is the percentage of lost matches in aus by different teams in this millenium as posted by outsider.Ind is second best team to tour aus.We have done better than nz,sl etc.We are the second most desrving team to tour aus.Isn't it?
 
I will respect any team that earns that respect. But I'm awfully sorry, India's catalogue of offensive behavior over the last decade means that they have well and truly run out of credit with me.

The more important question is why aren't the ICC and other boards running out of credit? All of them keep running back to the BCCI. Every time the BCCI throws its toys out the pram, they overenthusiastically climb over each other to put the toys back, so BCCI can do it all over again.

Why aren't the other boards and ICC changing their ways? Why do they put up with it? Could it be their selfishness/greed for $$$? If it is, they not only deserve what they get, would venture to say that they put $$$ over their self respect, pride or whatever you want to call it.
 
I saw them bully and harass Darrell Harper - not Hair, the good one - into retirement in the West Indies. As far as I am concerned the entire team from Kohli to Dhoni should have been banned for life for their antics in the Caribbean.

Junaids said:
I'm not anti-India. I'd far rather live in India than Pakistan. I admire how they have tackled fixing from Cronje to Sreesanth.
:)) The irony in those 2 sentences.
 
As for your post: :)))

India has won two matches out of 16 against Australia. They've lost nine and haven't won a single test match during their last two tours. What sort of rivalry is this, lol?

The same rivalry in which Australia have won 1 out of there last 15 matches in India. :shh

And btw, apart from the 2012/13 Ashes tour, England have been pretty much whitewashed everytime in their last 5 tours.

So I guess the genius that you are you should also declare the Ashes a no-contest and a "fake" rivalry.

Now don't pull a Bilal again and go into hiding :dw
 
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The same rivalry in which Australia have won 1 out of there last 15 matches in India. :shh

And btw, apart from the 2012/13 Ashes tour, England have been pretty much whitewashed everytime in their last 5 tours.

So I guess the genius that you are you should also declare the Ashes a no-contest and a "fake" rivalry.

Now don't pull a Bilal again and go into hiding :dw
So aus has won one match in last 15 matches and we won 2.
Stats clearly show its pretty much a rivalry and india is still leading by 1 win.
These posters are insecure nothing else.
 
It dosen't matter , Indian team will be beaten hands down like last series. Infact many batters were afraid to face Jonah and Starc.

Similarly Aus will be given - taste of own medicine when they tour India.

Cricket is no more same.

Players like Maxwell playing tests in India against spinning cobra - says about the quality of batting Aus has.
 
I don't believe there is much of a rivalry now between Aus & India. There was a time when the India Australia rivalry would be on par or Rival the AUS/ENG, that's when Ganguly was the Indian Captain and Steve Waugh his counter part... However nothing exist now imo.
 
Exactly . But this time with Mayank, Vihari, Nair and Siraj we will win.They have scored heavily in tough, bouncy indian conditions. Even better than Kambli or Tenda .Insaallah Mayank is new Kohli
 
Saw an ad (on Sony I think) during the Asia cup regarding the Aus/Ind series, can't remember the exact words but the Indian announcer said something along the lines of "Cricket is a gentleman's game but we are going to go play with a team which is anything but".
 
Test History - Ind vs Aus

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[tr][td]Team [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Aus Won [/td][td]Ind Won [/td][td]Tied [/td][td]Draw [/td][td]Winner [/td][td]Status [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1947/48 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td]Australia winning [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1956/57 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1959/60 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1964/65 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]drawn [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1967/68 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1969/70 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1977/78 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td]Tough Contests [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1979/80 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]India [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1980/81 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]drawn [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1985/86 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]drawn [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1986/87 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]drawn [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1991/92 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td]One sided Affair [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1996/97 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]India [/td][td]Peak Australia vs India [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 1997/98 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]India [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 1999/00 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 2000/01 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]India [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 2003/04 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]drawn [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 2004/05 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 2007/08 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 2008/09 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]India [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 2010/11 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]India [/td][td]One sided Affairs [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 2011/12 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 2012/13 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]India [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India in Australia, 2014/15 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia in India, 2016/17 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]India [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
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The same rivalry in which Australia have won 1 out of there last 15 matches in India. :shh

And btw, apart from the 2012/13 Ashes tour, England have been pretty much whitewashed everytime in their last 5 tours.

So I guess the genius that you are you should also declare the Ashes a no-contest and a "fake" rivalry.

Now don't pull a Bilal again and go into hiding :dw

Australia almost won their last series in India though, which is far better than anything India have ever done in their entire history. It was you who claimed that India are Australia's rivals because they happen to be the "second best touring team" when they have won a pathetic two games in 16 attempts. I guess Sri Lanka are also rivals of Australia because they whitewash the Aussies whenever they tour.

It takes a special kind of genius to reduce the Ashes to a bunch of numbers. Even if England become as pathetic as India when they tour Australia, England will remain Australia's premier rivals. This is similar to the Indo-Pak rivalry where they'll both be each other's biggest rivals even if one team keeps losing all of their encounters for a period of time.

I'm sorry you're not old enough to know the responsibilities that come with being an adult and hope you can one day experience them yourselves. Until then, have fun claiming that people are hiding because they have actual lives. :rabada2
 
No, not yet :))

Well this is your best chance to win a series here, we are two batsmen short and some of our bowlers are under injury clouds, but if you understamate us which a lot of teams do when our back are to the wall you will be in for a suprise.
 
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Rivalry is not made up based on h2h record. It is just there. Otherwise Ashes rivalry would have ended long back.
Why does it matter to others? If Australians and Indians think there is a rivalry, then so be it .
Rivalry is all in minds of players and fans and nowhere else.
 
Australia almost won their last series in India though, which is far better than anything India have ever done in their entire history. It was you who claimed that India are Australia's rivals because they happen to be the "second best touring team" when they have won a pathetic two games in 16 attempts. I guess Sri Lanka are also rivals of Australia because they whitewash the Aussies whenever they tour.

It takes a special kind of genius to reduce the Ashes to a bunch of numbers. Even if England become as pathetic as India when they tour Australia, England will remain Australia's premier rivals. This is similar to the Indo-Pak rivalry where they'll both be each other's biggest rivals even if one team keeps losing all of their encounters for a period of time.

I'm sorry you're not old enough to know the responsibilities that come with being an adult and hope you can one day experience them yourselves. Until then, have fun claiming that people are hiding because they have actual lives. :rabada2

1. I guess you were two busy with your "adult life" to remember the series India drew in Australia in 2003. And you must have been even more busy in 2015 when India lost the series 0-2 but it was a very closely fought series where India came within 40 runs of chasing a 370 run target set by Australia.

2. India are the second best tourist to AUS. I have shown you the figures. 54% loss rate in Australia this millennium as compared to 63% for Australia in India. Go check these stats for AUS/SL and then re-think your brilliant comparison.

3. And it takes a special kind of biased hatred to say that "Ashes can't be measured in numbers" and then take a complete u-turn and say "look at India's numbers in Australia. Border-Gavaskar trophy is the 3rd oldest legacy in Australian cricket. It doesn't need a Canadian's validation.

4. It's funny how all your "responsibilities" come crashing down on you as soon as you make nonsense and arrogant posts like the last ones. Ye "responsibility" ka topee kisi aur ko jaake pahenao, Bilal. :)))
 
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Well this is your best chance to win a series here, we are two batsmen short and some of our bowlers are under injury clouds, but if you understamate us which a lot of teams do when our back are to the wall you will be in for a suprise.

I don't think anyone would make the mistake of taking Australia lightly. Even without Smith and Warner it's a solid team, especially at home.
 
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