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New Zealand [219/6] defeat India [139] by 80 runs in first T20I to take 1-0 series lead

Got nothing out of this match except KKD is such a risky investment in the world cup. He should not be part of the world cup squad for sure. Same goes to Vijay shankar. He doesn't qualify purely as an all rounder without bowling anything. Same way this Krunal pandya is an useless guy who is masquerading as all rounder.
 
Time to get Pujara in the team to hold the innings. Players like DK Shankar Pant Hardik not good enough.
 
I wish Bumrah toured, haven't seen much of him and want to see what all the hype is about and whether he's legit or not.
 
Fluke by New Zealand. India will beat Pakistan 10/10. We shouldn't get any joy. We are a minnow even PNG will beat us right [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].
 
If you want to know about the IPL - Kane was the best batsmen/highest run scorer in it last season...

Kane is really hit and miss and can be a burden, generally not a fan of him playing T20 even with the odd good/great innings. It's just not his game.
 
Fluke by New Zealand. India will beat Pakistan 10/10. We shouldn't get any joy. We are a minnow even PNG will beat us right [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

Dont worry too much if Pak loses today to SA club bowling. We will see and I will make sure that I tag u and troll just like u are doing here
 
What happened lol?

Just came home and saw this thrashing.
But oh well Indians must not be minding it at all.Afterall it's only Pakistanis who get overexcited at t20 wins and streaks.
For every other team it is just a matter of practice and testing bench strength afterall :) :)
 
What happened lol?

Just came home and saw this thrashing.
But oh well Indians must not be minding it at all.Afterall it's only Pakistanis who get overexcited at t20 wins and streaks.
For every other team it is just a matter of practice and testing bench strength afterall :) :)

Finally one sane post. Thanks
 
What happened lol?

Just came home and saw this thrashing.
But oh well Indians must not be minding it at all.Afterall it's only Pakistanis who get overexcited at t20 wins and streaks.
For every other team it is just a matter of practice and testing bench strength afterall :) :)
Our batting clicked, India's didn't.
 
After Aus chased 260 odd or whatever it was, I feel like no total is safe =\
 
If Lockie could learn to bowl that yorker at will, he would be insane for us.

That's basically like a guaranteed wicket taking delivery at his pace.
 
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Most of it was bad shots from India brought upon by scoreboard pressure.

Lockie had an awesome yorker to Dhawan though :akhtar


Couldn't watch the match but the scoreboard tells a sorry story.

Chahal did joke about Ferguson coming in the t20s and testing them to Rohit in an interview on his fun talk show segment.Looks like Ferguson did make them pay.
Good to see the Kiwis not letting the Odi series bashing get to them.Well played.
 
This is just another fun and laughter series for us. We shouldn't take these bilaterals seriously. :inti

Personally they should have rested Rohit/Dhawan as well and fielded a complete rookie XI. should have played Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul (one last chance), Shaw, Gill.
 
I wish Bumrah toured, haven't seen much of him and want to see what all the hype is about and whether he's legit or not.
lol, are you for real? So all Bumrah has left now is to impress you. If he can't get your nod, he is not legit! And all this boasting on the back of a T20 game?
 
lol, are you for real? So all Bumrah has left now is to impress you. If he can't get your nod, he is not legit! And all this boasting on the back of a T20 game?
I haven't seen him play much so I can't really tell if he's over hyped or it's justified.
 
So just because you've not seen him play, you can't say whether he is legit or not. You won't have seen 90% of great cricketers. As per your definition of legit cricketers, they're not legit cricketers either!

Amazing!
 
I haven't seen him play much so I can't really tell if he's over hyped or it's justified.

For the record he doesn't take part much in T20s these days. he is world no.1 ODI bowler. If you don't know that then you are new to cricket.
 
India were bundled out for 139 and succumbed to an 80-run loss, their biggest in terms of runs, in the first Twenty20 International against New Zealand after Tim Seifert's 43-ball 84 helped the hosts to 219/6 in Wellington on Wednesday, 6 February.

India had begun their chase well, with Shikhar Dhawan dispatching Scott Kuggeleijn over the fence, repeatedly and with disdain, in an over. Tim Southee had bowled well to dismiss Rohit Sharma, the Indian skipper, early, but Kuggeleijn going for 34 runs in his first two overs meant India had raced to 46/1 in five overs.

But after Dhawan fell for an 18-ball 29 – Lockie Ferguson's sheer pace castled him – India never looked the same.

New Zealand spinners Mitchell Santner and Ish Sodhi ran through the Indian middle-order after the quicks made an opening New Zealand spinners Mitchell Santner and Ish Sodhi ran through the Indian middle-order after the quicks made an opening
Vijay Shankar, coming in at No.3, showed promise by hitting Mitchell Santer for a six over mid-wicket, but the bowler had the last laugh when he snared Rishabh Pant (4) with a variation of pace, and then had Shankar caught at long-off for an 18-ball 27 in his next over.

Santner's spin-partner Ish Sodhi then joined the party with a twin-strike of his own – he dismissed Dinesh Karthik (5) and Hardik Pandya (4) in the 11th over, leaving India rattled at 77/6. MS Dhoni stuck around for a 31-ball 39, even as wickets fell at the other end, before becoming Southee's third victim. India were bowled out in 19.2 overs.

Earlier, coming into the team on back of excellent domestic T20 form, Seifert continued plowing the runs against a strong Indian attack. He started cautiously, along with Colin Munro, but the latter began the assault with consecutive boundaries off Khaleel Ahmed, the left-arm medium-pacer, in just the second over.

Seifert took the cue and hit Bhuvneshwar Kumar for a six and a four in the next over, and from there on, India were on the back foot. Luck went Seifert's way too – there was an edge off Krunal Pandya when he was on 17, but Dhoni was unable to hold on. Seifert rubbed salt into the wounds by hitting the next ball over fine-leg for a six.

A breakthrough finally came in the ninth over, when Krunal flighted a delivery to have Munro caught at long-on for a 19-ball 34. But by that point, the damage had already been done, with Seifert bringing up his half-century.

In the 11th over, after striking Krunal for back-to-back sixes, he offered another chance at long-on, only for Dinesh Karthik to put him down.

Dhoni was India's top-scorer with a 31-ball 39 Dhoni was India's top-scorer with a 31-ball 39
The drop cost India another four and a six, before Seifert was finally dismissed for a cracking 43-ball 84, when Ahmed cleaned him up. Kane Williamson, who started slowly, took charge thereafter. The highlight of his 22-ball 34 was two glorious back-to-back sixes off Hardik Pandya.

Debutant Daryl Mitchell (8) didn't last long, falling to Hardik, and Williamson was then dismissed off a skiddy delivery from Yuzvendra Chahal.

However, Kuggeleijn provided late fireworks with an unbeaten 7-ball 20, and the total proved well beyond India's reach.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1048626
 
I wish Bumrah toured, haven't seen much of him and want to see what all the hype is about and whether he's legit or not.

You wouldn't see him much in NZ considering that he usually takes rest against weaker teams.
 
And they said Pakistan are number 1 becuase we don’t play India :)))
 
Need to eliminate khaleel trundler and TTF DK before world cup since dhoni and rayudud are untouchable.Need gill and pant to play and fire next match.
 
Need to eliminate khaleel trundler and TTF DK before world cup since dhoni and rayudud are untouchable.Need gill and pant to play and fire next match.

14 years before DK started his career. It is a mystery how he keeps getting selected. Also he keeps bagging 12 crores every seasons in the IPL. Some high level connection or something? Look at his one day average and strike rate. This is way way below Indian standard. He is still hyped up to be a regular.
 
Why are India playing a full side, I thought only minnows fielded their top players in this format?
 
It's a shame you didn't rest him against Pakistan a few years back.

Please don't compare Pakistan with NZ. Pakistan is a world cup winning team with a legacy. NZ on the other hand....

Well let me put it this way, your biggest achievement is being better than Bangladesh at winning hearts/livers etc. and yes, reaching a world cup SF or two.. lol..
 
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Please don't compare Pakistan with NZ. Pakistan is a world cup winning team with a legacy. NZ on the other hand....

Well let me put it this way, your biggest achievement is being better than Bangladesh at winning hearts and yes, reaching a world cup SF or two lol
Hit a nerve :)))

You're talking about legacy? India's legacy is playing one sport, the majority of the following for the sport comes from India.

With all the advantages you have, you have two WCs to show for it. That's appalling.
 
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This is full side? lol Opening Khaleel you call this a full side??

India are actually playing all their big guns apart from kholi and Bumrah. Pakistan also rest some of their bowlers and not playing Amir often who actually bowls very well in T20s as he is economical. However when it comes to batting Pakistan are not in a postiion to rest anyone we are short as its.
 
India are actually playing all their big guns apart from kholi and Bumrah. Pakistan also rest some of their bowlers and not playing Amir often who actually bowls very well in T20s as he is economical. However when it comes to batting Pakistan are not in a postiion to rest anyone we are short as its.

Dude. an opening burst against a new player makes all the difference. Kuldeep was not there to wrest initiative back either. There is no inform shami either. In T20 one bad bowler can r uin the game. We saw with shinwari.
 
I am going to count how many times he uses CT final to fall back on something where NZ didn't even feature.
Too be fair, you don't see an elite level team fold like India did in CT often.

Masterful performance from Kohli and co.

First time I've seen fans leave for the exits in such large numbers with so much of the game still left to be played.
 
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Dude. an opening burst against a new player makes all the difference. Kuldeep was not there to wrest initiative back either. There is no inform shami either. In T20 one bad bowler can r uin the game. We saw with shinwari.

I don't disagree with what you have said of-course one player can make a difference in T20s hence its the easiest format to rest players and still win. But resting two players is not a reason to give excuses and say we are playing weekend side specially in T20s.
 
Too be fair, you don't see an elite level team fold like India did in CT often.

Masterful performance from Kohli and co.

First time I've seen fans leave for the exits in such large numbers with so much of the game still left to be played.
lol, one more instance!

Thats the only thing people can cling on now!
 
I don't disagree with what you have said of-course one player can make a difference in T20s hence its the easiest format to rest players and still win. But resting two players is not a reason to give excuses and say we are playing weekend side specially in T20s.

So Australia without Smith and Warner is not a weakened side? Or is this criteria only for T20Is?
 
I don't disagree with what you have said of-course one player can make a difference in T20s hence its the easiest format to rest players and still win. But resting two players is not a reason to give excuses and say we are playing weekend side specially in T20s.

In T20 especially missing one bowler can make all the difference. But honestly as a fan do i care? No. Even if we get absolutely canned don't care. I just watch T20 for big hits. It is fun. Too bad none of the Indians got going. To be fair apart from ROhit and Pandya others are not big six hitters. Back when we had Sehwag opening he started with 3 sixes in a row against southee in the very first over. Yuvraj was there to do damage in the end. But Vettori was our biggest nemesis always in the T20.
 
So Australia without Smith and Warner is not a weakened side? Or is this criteria only for T20Is?

You just need good bowling to bowl sides out in Test. Neither warner nor Smith are bowlers. By the way. smith and warner played in Bangladesh test yet they lost it. In tests you have to win several sessions. Not win 3 hours of game. So good teams come back always. Just look at what Australia did to Srilanka.
 
So Australia without Smith and Warner is not a weakened side? Or is this criteria only for T20Is?

I am talking about T20s only of-course if you are talking about test which is totally different game players like Warner and Smith can make a huge difference. In Test a player like Smith will have 2 days to make a difference and knowing his capability more often than not he will, same as kholi etc.
 
India are actually playing all their big guns apart from kholi and Bumrah. Pakistan also rest some of their bowlers and not playing Amir often who actually bowls very well in T20s as he is economical. However when it comes to batting Pakistan are not in a postiion to rest anyone we are short as its.

Nonsense.Kuldeep,bumrah,kohli and shami are out.3 of our best bowlers and our best batsman.This game was lost in bowling phase itself.
 
What a sight with people trying their level best to prove this was our best XI....
 
In T20 especially missing one bowler can make all the difference. But honestly as a fan do i care? No. Even if we get absolutely canned don't care. I just watch T20 for big hits. It is fun. Too bad none of the Indians got going. To be fair apart from ROhit and Pandya others are not big six hitters. Back when we had Sehwag opening he started with 3 sixes in a row against southee in the very first over. Yuvraj was there to do damage in the end. But Vettori was our biggest nemesis always in the T20.

You just need good bowling to bowl sides out in Test. Neither warner nor Smith are bowlers. By the way. smith and warner played in Bangladesh test yet they lost it. In tests you have to win several sessions. Not win 3 hours of game. So good teams come back always. Just look at what Australia did to Srilanka.

In T20s you can rest a few players and can still have enough players to win the match as you generally only need 3/4 players to come off rest wont have time and will be there for support or fielding only.

And I disagree with your assessment of test where you said you just need good bowlers. Test is the best format of the game where all 3 disciplines will be tested. You need bowlers who can take 20 wickets but you also need batsmen who can score 100s and both Smith and Warner are proven 100 makers specially in home conditions. We all know what Smith did to same Indian bowlers last time he played them in Australia or even in India.

Srilanka unfortunately don't have the bowling or batting to beat anyone away from home.
 
Nonsense.Kuldeep,bumrah,kohli and shami are out.3 of our best bowlers and our best batsman.This game was lost in bowling phase itself.
We were playing 3 WKs in our XI! Had only 2 proper bats in Rohit & Dhawan!
 
What a sight with people trying their level best to prove this was our best XI....

lol. Not even funny anymore. I don't say we are the best T20 side in the world. But i can confidently say not many give a dam* about bilateral T20 series. I consistently maintain they should be scrapped. It is pointless.
 
Nonsense.Kuldeep,bumrah,kohli and shami are out.3 of our best bowlers and our best batsman.This game was lost in bowling phase itself.

So now Shami and Kuldeep become main bowlers in T20s for India? Can I ask since when?
 
I am talking about T20s only of-course if you are talking about test which is totally different game players like Warner and Smith can make a huge difference. In Test a player like Smith will have 2 days to make a difference and knowing his capability more often than not he will, same as kholi etc.

Ah. So this applies only to T20Is, and not to tests. So basically individual brilliance matters more in tests than T20s. Latter being more of a team game than tests. I see.
 
lol. Not even funny anymore. I don't say we are the best T20 side in the world. But i can confidently say not many give a dam* about bilateral T20 series. I consistently maintain they should be scrapped. It is pointless.
Yeah. It'll be good if we can be ranked no.1 in T20s as well. If not, no problem. Won't lose my sleep even if we lose all T20Is, except for WT20Is.
 
So now Shami and Kuldeep become main bowlers in T20s for India? Can I ask since when?

Since Shami's return to limited over game? Kuldeep averages 12.96 in T20 with ER of 6.74 Krunal averages 33 in T20 with ER of 8.28.
 
Ah. So this applies only to T20Is, and not to tests. So basically individual brilliance matters more in tests than T20s. Latter being more of a team game than tests. I see.
Lol, all you needed to know about the cricketing knowledge being available
in abundance here!
 
Ah. So this applies only to T20Is, and not to tests. So basically individual brilliance matters more in tests than T20s. Latter being more of a team game than tests. I see.

Bro logic is simple its easier to replace someone like kholi in T20s than in tests. Tests is hardest format of the game and big players are harder to replace so make a bigger difference.
 
This is full side? lol Opening Khaleel you call this a full side??

The complaints by you lot included "why are Malik and Hafeez playing they are too experienced" - yet you have Dhoni who has played even more matches across all formats than either of those guys.

And guys like Dhawan, Sharma are more experienced than Zaman, Babar and whoever else are the younger guys batting for Pakistan.


I am just applying the same logic :)
 
So now Shami and Kuldeep become main bowlers in T20s for India? Can I ask since when?

Since when is kuldeep not our best bowler after bumrah?
Shami since his majestic return to form.Indian fans have been fed up with bhuvi for a while now.Krunal,shankar,khaleel are cannon fodder fed up to to t20 hacks.

In 2020 T20 world cup you will see the actual indian t20 team.

Dhawan
sharma
kohli
rahul/gill/shaw
pant
krunal/successful ipl allround option
pandya
shami/bhuvi
bumrah
kuldeep
chahal
 
Lol, all you needed to know about the cricketing knowledge being available
in abundance here!

I think its you who are lacking brains. Are you arguing its easier to replace Smith the test batsman than Smith T20 batsman? Similarly for kholi? If yes you cant be helped.
 
The complaints by you lot included "why are Malik and Hafeez playing they are too experienced" - yet you have Dhoni who has played even more matches across all formats than either of those guys.

And guys like Dhawan, Sharma are more experienced than Zaman, Babar and whoever else are the younger guys batting for Pakistan.


I am just applying the same logic :)

Yes. I don't want these guys either. I never want Dhawan/Rohit/Dhoni to play T20 bilaterals at all. It hsould be shaw, gill, pant, shreyas iyer.
 
Bro logic is simple its easier to replace someone like kholi in T20s than in tests. Tests is hardest format of the game and big players are harder to replace so make a bigger difference.

So Vijay Shankar replacing Kohli at 3 in a 20 over game doesn't affect the result that much. Or Khalil replacing Bumrah as death over bowler. I see.
 
I think its you who are lacking brains. Are you arguing its easier to replace Smith the test batsman than Smith T20 batsman? Similarly for kholi? If yes you cant be helped.
I bow down to your superior cricketing knowledge. Have no intention to embarrass myself.
 
Since Shami's return to limited over game? Kuldeep averages 12.96 in T20 with ER of 6.74 Krunal averages 33 in T20 with ER of 8.28.

Since when is kuldeep not our best bowler after bumrah?
Shami since his majestic return to form.Indian fans have been fed up with bhuvi for a while now.Krunal,shankar,khaleel are cannon fodder fed up to to t20 hacks.

In 2020 T20 world cup you will see the actual indian t20 team.

Dhawan
sharma
kohli
rahul/gill/shaw
pant
krunal/successful ipl allround option
pandya
shami/bhuvi
bumrah
kuldeep
chahal

Kuldeep never plays a lot of T20s like chahal does for India but I rate him as a very good bowler. India play him more in ODIs where yes he is a main bowler since his been consistently playing for last 2 years since CT. But now you are saying Shami and kuldeep are main T20 bowlers when they dont even play it regularly? Something is not matching up? Perhaps you are saying they are about to become main bowlers from now on?
 
So Vijay Shankar replacing Kohli at 3 in a 20 over game doesn't affect the result of a T20 that much. Or Khalil replacing Bumrah as death over bowler. I see.
Don't bang your head against a brick wall. This guy has decided that this was India's best XI, who are we to dissuade him for believing in that....
 
Kuldeep never plays a lot of T20s like chahal does for India but I rate him as a very good bowler. India play him more in ODIs where yes he is a main bowler since his been consistently playing for last 2 years since CT. But now you are saying Shami and kuldeep are main T20 bowlers when they dont even play it regularly? Something is not matching up? Perhaps you are saying they are about to become main bowlers from now on?

That is because they don't want them to. Not because they are bad. So Kohli is not playing T20 regularly. So he is not a reguar now? Bumrah is not a regular now?
 
So Vijay Shankar replacing Kohli at 3 in a 20 over game doesn't affect the result that much. Or Khalil replacing Bumrah as death over bowler. I see.

Kholi is a beast and replacing him in any format is difficult! but if there is one format where someone else can match him its T20. Also Bumrah is a beast in death overs of a T20 so very difficult to replace him. But T20 is a format teams rest some players because they feel its the easiest format to replace players.

Anyway I already said Bumrah and Kholi are the ones that were missing.
 
Kuldeep never plays a lot of T20s like chahal does for India but I rate him as a very good bowler. India play him more in ODIs where yes he is a main bowler since his been consistently playing for last 2 years since CT. But now you are saying Shami and kuldeep are main T20 bowlers when they dont even play it regularly? Something is not matching up? Perhaps you are saying they are about to become main bowlers from now on?

There are no 'main' t20 bowlers for india.Whoever is not rested due to fatigue or to test youngsters plays.Kuldeep is devastating in t20s ,and has vast ipl experience.You can note down the team i posted and you'll see that will be the one you will see in next year's t20 world cup when we will actually play a full strength squad.
 
Kholi is a beast and replacing him in any format is difficult! but if there is one format where someone else can match him its T20. Also Bumrah is a beast in death overs of a T20 so very difficult to replace him. But T20 is a format teams rest some players because they feel its the easiest format to replace players.

Anyway I already said Bumrah and Kholi are the ones that were missing.

Kuldeep was rested for 4th and 5th ODI as well. He is one guy who always gets more rest. They make sure he is not getting over exposed.
 
That is because they don't want them to. Not because they are bad. So Kohli is not playing T20 regularly. So he is not a reguar now? Bumrah is not a regular now?

Kholi and Bumrah have played a lot of T20s and only recently been resting. Bumrah is only getting a rest now since his become a regular in Test. Kholi has played loads of T20s for India.

I am just saying what is a fact India have never really played kuldeep and Shami much in T20s in any scenario and now all of a sudden they have become main bowlers?
 
Kholi and Bumrah have played a lot of T20s and only recently been resting. Bumrah is only getting a rest now since his become a regular in Test. Kholi has played loads of T20s for India.

I am just saying what is a fact India have never really played kuldeep and Shami much in T20s in any scenario and now all of a sudden they have become main bowlers?

You are indirectly suggesting Krunal is our main bowler over Kuldeep or even Jadeja.
 
Don't bang your head against a brick wall. This guy has decided that this was India's best XI, who are we to dissuade him for believing in that....

You have lost your argument and now resorting to twisting my words clearly showing your desperation.
 
You are indirectly suggesting Krunal is our main bowler over Kuldeep or even Jadeja.

No way I am saying that but why are Indian fans here hiding behind players who in any case dont play for India regularly in T20 format?

I would understand it more if they said Kuldeep will make us stronger in future etc.
 
There are no 'main' t20 bowlers for india.Whoever is not rested due to fatigue or to test youngsters plays.Kuldeep is devastating in t20s ,and has vast ipl experience.You can note down the team i posted and you'll see that will be the one you will see in next year's t20 world cup when we will actually play a full strength squad.

Okay thats fair enough if you think only the team you mentioned above is the strongest Indian team nobody is arguing that here though. And who knows you might even change your mind once if they dont win the WC.
 
Kholi and Bumrah have played a lot of T20s and only recently been resting. Bumrah is only getting a rest now since his become a regular in Test. Kholi has played loads of T20s for India.

I am just saying what is a fact India have never really played kuldeep and Shami much in T20s in any scenario and now all of a sudden they have become main bowlers?

Kohli has played only 10 out of last 20 T20Is and is missing the next 2 as well. That makes it 10/22. That's less than 50%.

Bumrah 8/22 = 36% of the games

Kuldeep averages 12 in T20Is with an economy of 6.x. Quite possibly the best stats out there.

But yeah, Kohli is a regular. Bumrah has only recently been resting. And ya, Kuldeep isn't a main T20I bowler.

I see.
 
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