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New Zealand [284/4] beat India [280/8] by 6 wickets to win 1st ODI in Mumbai

Lost for words.

Bowling is toothless, and the less said about the batting, the better.

Top 3 is fine.

Then comes

4.Karthik(Buddha trying for a comeback)

5.Dhoni(His career is over, should have acted in DHONI film, rather than wasting a spot)

6.Jadhav (AKMAL of India)



We can easily change from no. 4-6,but our selectors, doing a worse job.

4.Rahul
5.Pandey
6.Pant+

It's already costed us the CT. We might even end up missing on the WC.

Four years, since we won a cup.

Pakistan has become India, bravely handing out caps to youngsters: Hassan, Shadab, Rymman, Fakhar, Imam, Ashraf, Khan(that left arm seamer who debuted last match) and building bench strength.

We are still stuck with Karthik, Rahane, Dhoni, Jadhav, who knows even Raina and Yuvi might make a comeback. At least satisfied that AshWIN(Loses many games than WINning) is dropped
 
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ask_analyse_act said:
Who are saying 60 runs short now. Actually many didn’t expect NZL to compete and chase any total that was set giving their past history on playing spin. They didn’t expect NZL to get out of the spin web from kuldeep and chahal. And now shocked at what they see an exhibition of batting against spin from foreign batsmen especially Latham. What a master stroke to have him in the middle order.
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Almost every one in India switched off the TV after scoring 280 with late flourish in Wankhede,always a worrying sign. Even I watched only 3-5 overs max. only a dismal batting team will lose chasing 280 here. Turn is there but it is slow turn which ensures risk free runs, anyways our batting has been disastrous last 2 years and we should have lost 2 Odis against Aus but for the brilliant bowling.Time to rethink and drop Dhoni etc for good.
 
Bumrah bowling too many length balls.

What happened to his yorkers ?
 
This is one of those ground where you can chase 240 in 20 overs lol. 280 in 50 overs is pathetic score.
 
Come on Taylor, a six please, get your ton and finish the game.
 
Kohli said:
Lost for words.

Bowling is toothless, and the less said about the batting, the better.

Top 3 is fine.

Then comes

4.Karthik(Buddha trying for a comeback)

5.Dhoni(His career is over, should have acted in DHONI film, rather than wasting a spot)

6.Jadhav (AKMAL of India)



We can easily change from no. 4-6,but our selectors, doing a worse job.

4.Rahul
5.Pandey
6.Pant+

It's already costed us the CT. We might even end up missing on the WC.

Four years, since we won a cup.

Pakistan has become India, bravely handing out caps to youngsters: Hassan, Shadab, Rymman, Fakhar, Imam, Ashraf, Khan(that left arm seamer who debuted last match) and building bench strength.

We are still stuck with Karthik, Rahane, Dhoni, Jadhav, who knows even Raina and Yuvi might make a comeback. At least satisfied that AshWIN(Loses many games than WINning) is dropped
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Some valid points made..

Aussies struggled due to their inability to play spin and as India was winning, that actually did hide the weakness of the Indian middle order.

One thing that could have made a difference here is reverse swing, Bhuvi and Bumrah are both reasonably ok at death overs but are not that good at reversing the ball. Atleast one of Yadav or Shami should play the next match, I would prefer Shami so that he can provide the breakthroughs in the middle overs with reverse swing.
 
The situation reminds me of this brain-teaser

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Kohli said:
Lost for words.

Bowling is toothless, and the less said about the batting, the better.

Top 3 is fine.

Then comes

4.Karthik(Buddha trying for a comeback)

5.Dhoni(His career is over, should have acted in DHONI film, rather than wasting a spot)

6.Jadhav (AKMAL of India)



We can easily change from no. 4-6,but our selectors, doing a worse job.

4.Rahul
5.Pandey
6.Pant+

It's already costed us the CT. We might even end up missing on the WC.

Four years, since we won a cup.

Pakistan has become India, bravely handing out caps to youngsters: Hassan, Shadab, Rymman, Fakhar, Imam, Ashraf, Khan(that left arm seamer who debuted last match) and building bench strength.

We are still stuck with Karthik, Rahane, Dhoni, Jadhav, who knows even Raina and Yuvi might make a comeback. At least satisfied that AshWIN(Loses many games than WINning) is dropped
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Bowling is fine, anything less than 330 odd is never defendable under lights in Wankhede.
Batting is at par with Sri Lanka IMO
 
Bhuvi and Bumrah both need to learn taking wickets in the middle overs. Against teams which play spinners not as bad as Australia should be targeted with pacers who can revwrse the ball in the middle overs.

India just had one plan and that was to choke the batsmen with spin, there should have been a plan B which could have been possible with ideally Shami or even with Yadav. I have never seen Bhivi making any impact in the middle overs. One of the reasons of his high bowling average is that he is mostly effective with the new ball with few exceptions like one in every 10 matches where he creates impact in the middle to death overs.
 
What an anti climax :) Nice innings. One of my favorite player Taylor. They should get this over with.
 
Titan24 said:
Bhuvi and Bumrah both need to learn taking wickets in the middle overs. Against teams which play spinners not as bad as Australia should be targeted with pacers who can revwrse the ball in the middle overs.

India just had one plan and that was to choke the batsmen with spin, there should have been a plan B which could have been possible with ideally Shami or even with Yadav. I have never seen Bhivi making any impact in the middle overs. One of the reasons of his high bowling average is that he is mostly effective with the new ball with few exceptions like one in every 10 matches where he creates impact in the middle to death overs.
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Arey dear, no team can defend less than 330 here in Wankhede under lights except for garbage batting. Use some logic. COme and visit the pitch once.
Kohli took a great decision to test his batsmen by chosing the bat first.It is what can be called abold experiment.However the batting was so poor,there was no coming back.The pitch was so slow that one could hit the ball on second attempt after missing the turn. This forum should have users having enough cricketing logic and knowledge to assess defeats/wins... Kohli's batsmen let him down again. His own inning was one of his worst ever
 
India should have chosen to chase. Anyway they need some competition at home. They keep winning everything.
 
Only good thing in this match from Indian POV is he experimented batting first and batting got exposed 250-260 are regularly chased here and the wicket was again a belter here and Kiwis could easily chase 280 odd which is highest chasing second here in the ground, Latham looks a serious talent
 
lehen said:
Arey dear, no team can defend less than 330 here in Wankhede under lights except for garbage batting. Use some logic. COme and visit the pitch once.
Kohli took a great decision to test his batsmen by chosing the bat first.It is what can be called abold experiment.However the batting was so poor,there was no coming back.The pitch was so slow that one could hit the ball on second attempt after missing the turn. This forum should have users having enough cricketing logic and knowledge to assess defeats/wins... Kohli's batsmen let him down again. His own inning was one of his worst ever
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Bhuvi's bowling average manifests that he doesnt take a lot of wickets.

I am not debating that total was defendable or not, I am just saying that the pacers india have cant take the game away from opposition in the middle overs. If spinners cant take wickets then India is going to struggle in the middle overs and that is what happened today.
 
lehen said:
It was an experiment and the right thing to do to test his batters and they failed. ust like World T20 Semis
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Then its a pretty poor strategy to do experiments in the start of the three match ODI series.
 
lehen said:
It was an experiment and the right thing to do to test his batters and they failed. ust like World T20 Semis
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I know even before the season started Kohli mentioned he didn't mind losing few matches to do experiment.
 
Titan24 said:
Then its a pretty poor strategy to do experiments in the start of the three match ODI series.
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He has been clear about experiment with batting order, toss decision, squad selection from the beginning of this season. They managed to get away until now. Finally they have run into a good side. Pretty sure he will field first if he wins the toss again. ONly ** about this experimentation is not resting Dhoni in place of some other keeper.
 
Titan24 said:
Bhuvi's bowling average manifests that he doesnt take a lot of wickets.

I am not debating that total was defendable or not, I am just saying that the pacers india have cant take the game away from opposition in the middle overs. If spinners cant take wickets then India is going to struggle in the middle overs and that is what happened today.
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The world has not seen a pacer who takes wickets regularly in middle overs , not in last 10 years, sample size less than 100 ODIs should not be used as Shami and Yadav have also tasted success in middle overs earlier and it is not something that can be counted as anything less than 100 games is too small a sample size.

India has lots of batting talent and hence they are expected to bat out the opponents,all consistent great teams in ODIs in last 15 years have BATTED out opponents.

India is like playing with 3 decent batsmen,so this is bound to happen every now and then,Happened in CT twice ( Sri Lanka and Pak) the against Aus in Bengaluru and also 2 more occasions in the same series and now here.

Before that too we have lost numerous ODIs because of batting alone since WC 2015.This is not something to be worried about regarding talent pool but nepotism (direct-indirect)which is existing in Indian selection panel which gives us lot of passengers in batting
 
Don't want to take any credit away from NZ. They completely outplayed India. Amazing risk free partnership. Well deserved win.
 
India doesn't have the class of Hasan Ali to take wickets any stage of the match
 
IAJ said:
They will probably give it to Latham. Scoring a ton against two good spinners isn’t easy.
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Not at Wankade, under light in late October. Besides, without Boult Kiwis would have been chasing 350 today. Under lights, <300 is never par at either of the 3 Mumbai venues. There are 2 hundreds and a 95 in same match, where after 10-1-35-4, next best figure is 3/73 and those 4 are Sharma, Dhawan, MSD & Pandeya ............
 
asadee said:
India doesn't have the class of Hasan Ali to take wickets any stage of the match
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This :facepalm: is what has been hurting Pakistan cricket. hyping players after 40-50 Odis only .
The guy has got success but don't make him like God of Fast bowling, Best medium pacer ever born and things like that, let him play 100 Odis first, will be unfair on the guy
 
MMHS said:
Not at Wankade, under light in late October. Besides, without Boult Kiwis would have been chasing 350 today. Under lights, <300 is never par at either of the 3 Mumbai venues. There are 2 hundreds and a 95 in same match, where after 10-1-35-4, next best figure is 3/73 and those 4 are Sharma, Dhawan, MSD & Pandeya ............
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You got your wish:)
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Who would you blame, the bowlers or the batsmen? Because I've been noticing question marks in both facets of the game.
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280 is a good score to defend. So bowlers must take the blame.
 
MMHS said:
Not at Wankade, under light in late October. Besides, without Boult Kiwis would have been chasing 350 today. Under lights, <300 is never par at either of the 3 Mumbai venues. There are 2 hundreds and a 95 in same match, where after 10-1-35-4, next best figure is 3/73 and those 4 are Sharma, Dhawan, MSD & Pandeya ............
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Latham got man of the match. Boult player of the match so they have two different awards.
 
India is an overrated ODI team. We will be exposed once we set our foot outside subcontinent. Lol at fans who thought Jadhav is the next big thing.
 
Great game enjoyed it, didn't expect this fluke win from the kiwis though
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
India is an overrated ODI team. We will be exposed once we set our foot outside subcontinent. Lol at fans who thought Jadhav is the next big thing.
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How? They would have blanked Australia but for some experimentation. Blanked SL in SL. Reached CT final. What about other teams then.All teams lose once in a while.
 
IAJ said:
Latham got man of the match. Boult player of the match so they have two different awards.
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What is this? Basically they are accommodating 2 sponsors and none is ready to accept "Best batsman" or "Best bowler" - so this joke. This game is getting rotten every day.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
How? They would have blanked Australia but for some experimentation. Blanked SL in SL. Reached CT final. What about other teams then.All teams lose once in a while.
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We will see once India tours South Africa. Yet to win an ODI series there let alone test series.
 
Na ishq mein na pyaar mein

Jo maza India ki haar mein


:salute
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Indian team depends on Kohli. Hacks like Rohit, Dhawan and Jadhav are not going to win us matches in away conditions. Don't know when will we get rid of Dinesh Karthik.
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Dhawan is good. He's done well almost everywhere and is a great pressure player. Rohit is a hack through and through and India must have a better opening option. Who don't they try Rahul in place of Rohit?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Indian team depends on Kohli. Hacks like Rohit, Dhawan and Jadhav are not going to win us matches in away conditions. Don't know when will we get rid of Dinesh Karthik.
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Dhawan has been your best batsman in ICC 50 over tournaments for the last 4 years now since the 2013 CT victory. India's only major issue is the first 10 overs because Rohit plays very sedately or he is vulnerable against quality pacers like as we saw him today against Boult.

Lokesh Rahul going by his exceptional t20 perfromances brings more firepower, Kohli needs him to replace his friend "no-hit".

I have no idea who wanted Karthik in the XI, if it is Kohli then he clearly has no vision for developing the team. Manish Pandey is clearly the better batsman out of the 2.

India has a good hitter in Pandya at the end and I think they should move Dhoni down to 8 for the higher scoring games as he takes time to get going but an asset in setting + chasing low to mid range scores.

I still think at full strength India has the best batting line up in all formats of the game.
 
Stallion__ said:
The situation reminds me of this brain-teaser

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Batsman X hits a 4 so he is on 98* with 3 needed off 2 balls.

Batsman X hits to the outfield and runs 3 - however he ran the third run short so only 2 runs awarded and the strike changes.

Batsman X reaches 100* with 2 needed off 1 ball. Batsman Y is on strike.

Batsman Y hits a 6!!!

Batsman Y is also on a 100*
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
India is an overrated ODI team. We will be exposed once we set our foot outside subcontinent. Lol at fans who thought Jadhav is the next big thing.
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Nobody in India thinks Jadhav is the next big thing except our very own Selectors and Team management. Even a school kid knows that Jadhav is mediocre at his best.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Nobody in India thinks Jadhav is the next big thing except our very own Selectors and Team management. Even a school kid knows that Jadhav is mediocre at his best.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
India is an overrated ODI team. We will be exposed once we set our foot outside subcontinent. Lol at fans who thought Jadhav is the next big thing.
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LOL
A player who averages 43 plus with strike rate of 108 is being bashed after one bad game.Some cricket fans are so impatient that if they were selectors then team would have changed upside down in every series.
 
Unfortunately Jadhav's unusual techniques and appearence cause people to think he's mediocre even when's he actually very effective.
 
Mainul said:
LOL
A player who averages 43 plus with strike rate of 108 is being bashed after one bad game.Some cricket fans are so impatient that if they were selectors then team would have changed upside down in every series.
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We have had better and seen better batsman in Indian history than Jadhav hence the disappointment.
 
India has not started tour yet, no 1 in Odi, no 1 in test and what not will be tested in coming months...best team in the world and Asia need to answer some serious question in next 18 months, I hope fans and Indian media are ready for this :srini
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
We have had better and seen better batsman in Indian history than Jadhav hence the disappointment.
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Now Jadhav should play till South Africa series it's do-or-die for him if he goes out then he can never make a comeback in team
Also Kohli should give bowling to Jadhav regularly
He performed well for last 8 years in domestic circuit let him reap what he has sown
 
So many ODI series, they just segway meaninglessly from one to the next.

Six months from now you'd be struggling to remember the result of this game.
 
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