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New Zealand [348 & 9/0] beat India [165 & 191] by 10 wickets in the first Test
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India have only themselves to blame to play warm up game like a warm up game. Handshakes after 2 and less than half days where the captain didn't batted and everything was so casual.
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Yeah bud.
Indian batting is garbage in SENA and no one can deny it.
But the way some posters are making it out to be...I guess they just want others to say:
"India is the worst team in the world. We can't bat, bowl or field. Such an over-rated side. We deserve this loss as NZ is 100X better than us".
Nothing else will satisfy them lol.
Ironically Indian fans have been pretty critical of their team throughout.
Yesterday, I knew India wouldn't amount to anything barring a miracle in this test.
Body language is pretty poor too.
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If we sweep India and Aus do too, can someone else qualify ahead of India or are they too far ahead?
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Yeah man.
That's exactly one of the points I am making.
India had no intensity, plan or preparation.
Posters just wanna disagree for the sake of it. Not sure why as I haven't seen them behave this way usually.
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Pakistan, us and England (think they have Ashes tho and can't see them winning that) may still be in the hunt.
Aus in for sure, India vulnerable.
Aus in for sure, India vulnerable.
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A good eye opener for India. Some players are not as good as some people think they are. Shaw has to be the most overrated player in the history of cricket.
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When is India touring Australia?
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I will give an example:
Indian batting is not great against swing or seam. What do they do?
Nothing. They just play a random game and finish it up.
Aus in 2017 was in doldrums before coming to India. What did they do?
They went on a camp in UAE, worked on their weaknesses and ALMOST beat India in India.
That's preparation. An extreme kind tho.
Preparation is NOT about how many innings you bat but the mindset, intensity, thought process and efforts you put to COUNTER the issues that are affecting you.
What did India do to counter those issues?
Nothing.
Indian batting is not great against swing or seam. What do they do?
Nothing. They just play a random game and finish it up.
Aus in 2017 was in doldrums before coming to India. What did they do?
They went on a camp in UAE, worked on their weaknesses and ALMOST beat India in India.
That's preparation. An extreme kind tho.
Preparation is NOT about how many innings you bat but the mindset, intensity, thought process and efforts you put to COUNTER the issues that are affecting you.
What did India do to counter those issues?
Nothing.
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I think NZ have a realistic chance.
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I thought ‘This is Kohli’s India’.
What was this performance?
What was this performance?
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Idk if I want to play another Final lol.
Aus always beat us and we never show up come the big ICC matches.
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They did a lot. They compared Shaw to Tendulkar and made him the biggest superstar even before he made his debut.
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They get the feeling their home win is getting undermined. That's why.
Anyways, knives will be out for India because some posters hyped this team way lot and of course there is a huge confrontation against anything hyped about India.
I do consider India's bowling good but don't consider this as India's greatest test team ever. Not sure why some folks were tagging me as well, lol!
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The HTB Pujara flopped as well.
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NZ has a golden chance of whitewashing this team.
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We jump to third if we beat India at Hagley.
Surprising given the hammering in Aus.
Surprising given the hammering in Aus.
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India's spot seems to be most under threat.
Cracks are there, either way if they're going to playing the moving ball this bad they're better off missing out on the a Final because it won't be pretty against Aus at Lords.
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That's a disappointing way to look at stuff if that's what is the issue.
Take any series and the losing team would have done LOTS of mistakes. Doesn't mean winning team didn't deserve it.
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Some people called Prithvi Shaw the 'Big Shaw' after his debut against useless WI but atm he's the "Flop Shaw"
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I don't get the comparisons to Sachin.
Looks a lot more like Sehwag. Seems obvious too.
Guess it's the Indian hype machine getting carried away?
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Right now...there aren't cracks but craters unfortunately.
Indian batting in a swing or seam pitch is lottery.
We have been AWFUL in SA, Eng and now in NZ.
We only seem to bat well on flat, spin and bouncy pitches.
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Not really, it just comes off like a terrible excuse given every other team basically gets little to nothing.
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I think the only teams who can stop Aus at Lords are Pakistan or England.
Every other team will be going there to get beat.
Every other team will be going there to get beat.
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Not sure why you hate Shaw.
But he's a serious talent.
Hype can be ignored as is always the case.
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Some Indian posters do have to be blamed though for comparing Shaw to Tendulkar straight.
There is no comparison in their game at the same age. Shaw's techniques against moving ball is very poor and he needs a lot of improvement. Tendulkar was much more all-round.
I also disliked the fact that when India won the series in Australia with Smith and Warner less team, then the reasoning given by some of our folks was that our superior batsmen, Prithvi Shaw was not playing till that time and we were going with wrong top order combination.
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Lmao if we beat India 0-2 we move to #2 again 
Prithvi was touted as being better than Tendulkar, richards, Lara and gavaskar combined
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Hyping is done by all.
Plus it's seriously childish to take points by poster A and impose it on poster B.
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Yeah, but Asians mostly.
Pakistan fans got triggered like anything when I showed them the reality of de Kock being ahead of Babar Azam before being compared with fab four. We are all very well aware of the hype machine of Shaheen Shah Afridi and Nadeem Shah, particularly latter.
Indians do the same with Prithvi Shaw and others.
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Still early days for him. The way I thought Naseem shouldnt be judged in Aus when he made his debut I would say the same for Shaw as NZ is tough place to debut for most young batsmen.
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lol at the disrespect to n.z team? they would smash most teams at home especially when they win the toss.
india I hope learnt their lesson and now fight back in the second test.
india I hope learnt their lesson and now fight back in the second test.
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Correction to my post: it isnt Shaw’s debut rather his 3rd match but still early days.
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The biggest problem with Team India is the dictatorship of Virat Kohli.
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Don’t feel so bad about Pakistan’s performance in NZ and AUS after seeing the “world no. 1” team get destroyed.
This Indian team uses the tailored pitches in their home conditions to hype up their rankings. I believe in a place like England or new Zealand Pakistan will beat this Indian team.
This Indian team uses the tailored pitches in their home conditions to hype up their rankings. I believe in a place like England or new Zealand Pakistan will beat this Indian team.
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Haha yeah. We Asians are like that.
Immune to our hyping but get annoyed when others hype.
We are all guilty of it.
Yeah...for newbies, you can't just see stats. Its about how they play.
Naseem Shah was unanimously accepted as a great talent the way he bowled in Aus. His stats in that series can't be scrutinized.
Same goes for Prithvi tho swing does seem to be an issue for him. Time will tell.
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So I think they will bring in Gill for the next Test. Makes no sense not to.
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every team uses tailored pitches dummy. You tailor pitches to suit your team. India actually produces the fairest pitches in Asia.
australia uses tailored bouncy wickets to suit their bowlers.
England prepares green mamas
n.z green tops. the concept is the same. In n.z win the toss, bowl first in most venues.
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Lol the burn!
Here’s an article on the state of Indian pitches.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-fined-for-surface-of-mars-test-pitch-in-pune
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rofl one pitch? You do know we lost the test in line right? we don't tailor pitches. If anything your SENA nations tailor their wickets much worse lol.
what about the south african pitch in the 3rd test vs india in 2018?
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Congrats to [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131138]Space Cat[/MENTION],
Kohli and Shastri needs to accept they are not no 1.
Kohli and Shastri needs to accept they are not no 1.
The reality was that you said babar and de kock got same amount onf centuries in tests while completely ignoring the fact babar has played 20 less test matches then him.
Odis you said de kock has more centuries while again not surprisingly ignoring the fact that de kock has played 42 odis more. Then you went ahead with the strike rate to suit your agenda while ignoring their averages. On top ignoring the fact that de kock has been a complete failure in the work cups . If I am not wrong babar has already got more runs then de kock in 1 world cup then he has in 2 world cups.
I don't care who is ahead but please don't ignore the fact that babar has significantly played less matches then de kock as well as we should remember that de kock is a keeper and has an outstanding record as one.
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Many posters said to me that comparing de Kock to Babar is ridiculous and Babar is miles ahead. That's hyping!
And it's not that strike rates are irrelevant in ODIs and T20s so you gotta consider that.
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No denying that strike rate are not important. The average is important too.
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It is an excuse because it is implying that purely on cricketing merit New Zealand aren’t better than India but are winning because India is unprepared and undercooked. That is not true.
Besides the point doesn’t stand anyway. India have been in New Zealand for over a month and in the modern game they have among the most preparedness as you generally have for a foreign tour test series.
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This clearly goes on to show Australia Superiority over Teams At Home
NZ and Pakistan Were Completely Thrashed like Minnows in Australia
And Now NZ almost Thrashed india (So Called NO.1) Team By An inning
.Its Still no reassuring but Pakistan test Team Is On the right Course under misbah .We Will As always Draw England Series and Thrash Teams At Home But will fail In SNA
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Prithvi is not even on the level of Babar yet and people compare him to Sachin.
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By definition of SIF most teams aren’t prepared for India tour ever.
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Can someone tell me how they think Shaw is better than Iyer? Didn't Shreyas score a 300 hundred against Australia in a tour match?
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SIF is acting like teams should arrive 2 weeeks early and play 2-3 warm up games as if T20s + ODIs + A games + a warm up game isn't more than enough. That's way better prep than 99.9% other teams get.
This is the same stuff Junaids post about but isn't practicable or expected.
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I actually think that BOTH yourself AND [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] are correct in this thread.
The Indian players clearly haven't analysed what made them lose so many Tests in England and South Africa in 2018, and believe all the excuses. Even when they are delivered to New Zealand a full month before the Test series they still don't use the preparation time properly.
But [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] is right to say that they arrived early enough and scheduled the A series reasonably.
I guess you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Kohli doesn't understand that India's Number 1 ranking is an aberration and that actually they lose far too many Tests in SENA to be Number 1 at anything other than being spoiled brats.
I stick by what I wrote yesterday. What India really needs is for Mohinder Amarnath and Kapil Dev to sit down with Virat Kohli and tell him what proper preparation is. And if he still makes excuses or argues in favout of carrying on as usual, they need to punch him in the face.
A man (Kohli) with an outrageous number of Test defeats is treated with more respect and deference than he deserves.
And yet Pakistan has done it for two consecutive tours of England, and drew both series.
Whereas they keep turning up in Australia and South Africa at the last minute, straight after white ball series or Tests on flat tracks in Asia, then act surprised when they get rolled over.
It's easier for teams to adapt from bouncy conditions to flat ones than vice versa. And India and Pakistan either have to respect the game and arrive early, or keep losing like this and be laughed at when they claim to be top teams.
BTW, white ball matches are no preparation. Batsmen need to get used to leaving balls outside off-stump and bowlers need to get used to bowling wide of off-stump.
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LOL, this guy is an excuses machine. Indian fans deserve this humiliation after hyping their team to the sky. They never learn. Home track bullies.
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Waah mashallah subah subah hi kitni Achi khabar Mili.India lost yet again outside home.indian fans deserve this humiliation.Keep em coming!
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Surprise, surprise
Not really. India are bad.
Not really. India are bad.
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Not surprising really as NZ have got bit of a favourable draw.
NZ play just 1 tough away tour (Aus), while the likes of India, Pakistan, England, SA, Australia and even WI play 2 or 3 tough away tours.
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thanks buddy. Good luck to your team. Let's see who finishes within top 2.
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thanks but no thanks! I don't care where they finish as long as India keep losing outside India and arrogant fans like you keep getting the humiliation they deserve it would make me quite happy.Same thing is gonna happen in next test too.Guroor Ka sir nicha.
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Hopefully some arrogant fans who were predicting India to whitewash NZ have been safely brought down to earth. Winning against a weak Aus team away from home made those fans overconfident. 
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thank you for your kind words. I have no problem with pakistan. I like them. So each to their own. I don't know what's your issue with Indians lol that you want to see them lose to badly. I hope you don't get more excited to see india lose over pakistan winning though.
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It's a shame where the likes of Srilanka didn't gave away any wicket on day 4 on these conditions, Bangladesh scored 600+ on this pitch,very very poor batting display by India just avoiding an innings defeat.
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It's difficult to win abroad after losing toss and with Kohli's clueless captaincy makes it even more difficult!. Kudos to NZ for thrashing the no.1 team especially after losing to Australia very badly!!.
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No excuses at all. You guys have completely outplayed our overrated overpaid bunch. I can only laugh at those who say that this is some GOAT Asian team or this is the best bowling attack in the world.
On a side note, why don't NZ play more tests esp at home ? They are such a formidable team but still play these 2 match series' once in a while. They can easily challenge the no.1 spot if they play as many games at home as Ind, Aus and Eng.
No excuses at all. You guys have completely outplayed our overrated overpaid bunch. I can only laugh at those who say that this is some GOAT Asian team or this is the best bowling attack in the world.
On a side note, why don't NZ play more tests esp at home ? They are such a formidable team but still play these 2 match series' once in a while. They can easily challenge the no.1 spot if they play as many games at home as Ind, Aus and Eng.
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shameless captain......a big embarrassment to all Indian fans.....losing to NZ by 10 wkts is such a shame....at least in England and SA, we lost after coming so close to winning....the 1-4 loss in England was actually not a 1-4 loss....it doesn't tell you the actual story....India was so close to victory at least in 2 tests out of those 4 lost matches...that too, it was after losing almost all tosses....that kind of a defeat is no shame....but today's defeat is such a big shame to Indian cricket....
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Easy win for Kiwis. Just read a heading where Kohli said toss was cruicial. It was, but India played badly in their second innings as well, that has nothing to do with the toss.
Anyways the series is still not over, India can bounce back, but they would love a flatter pitch next time and alot of sunshine.
Anyways the series is still not over, India can bounce back, but they would love a flatter pitch next time and alot of sunshine.
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If you happened to see the match, I would put very few of the 20 wickets down to seam/swing. There were quite a few strangles down the leg-side and due to inconsistent bounce etc.
Yes, some top order wickets (Prithvi, Pujara) in the 1st innings can definitely be attributed to good swing bowling by Southee/Jamieson. But the pitch did have a bit of inconsistent pace/bounce from one end that the Indian batsmen failed to cope up with. Even Williamson was batting pretty well till he got a ball that kind of stopped on him.
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He did say that as well.
"This is a game where we didn't show enough competitiveness. In the past, we have known we have played good cricket even when we have lost, and we have been in the game. But I think we let ourselves down massively with the bat in the first innings.
"You could say the toss played a big role in the Test match but that's uncontrollable, so you can't focus on that and take that as a massive factor. But having said that, the first innings performance pushed us back. We knew the conditions were going to keep getting better.
"So if you get 230 or 240 in the first innings of the Test match, then you are giving your bowlers a chance. In the second innings, deficit also becomes smaller."
Virat Kohli doesn't think about outside people
“I am absolutely fine, I am batting really well. I feel that sometimes that scores don’t reflect the way you are batting. That’s what happens sometimes when you don’t execute really well. Look when you play so much cricket and play for so long, you will obviously have 3-4 innings which don’t go your way. If you try and make too much out of it, it will keep piling on. I think it’s about staying in a good space,” Virat kohli said while speaking to the reporters!.
“I know the chat on the outside changes with one inning, but I don’t think like that. If I thought about people on the outside, I would be outside right now. I think it’s all about doing the basics right and putting the hard work in the practice.
“You can’t really think walking out that ‘I have to do it all the time’. You want to do it but if it doesn’t come off, you don’t have to beat yourself up too much. You take pride in performing and I have always done that. I am looking forward to contributing to a win in the next Test,” Kohli concluded.
“I am absolutely fine, I am batting really well. I feel that sometimes that scores don’t reflect the way you are batting. That’s what happens sometimes when you don’t execute really well. Look when you play so much cricket and play for so long, you will obviously have 3-4 innings which don’t go your way. If you try and make too much out of it, it will keep piling on. I think it’s about staying in a good space,” Virat kohli said while speaking to the reporters!.
“I know the chat on the outside changes with one inning, but I don’t think like that. If I thought about people on the outside, I would be outside right now. I think it’s all about doing the basics right and putting the hard work in the practice.
“You can’t really think walking out that ‘I have to do it all the time’. You want to do it but if it doesn’t come off, you don’t have to beat yourself up too much. You take pride in performing and I have always done that. I am looking forward to contributing to a win in the next Test,” Kohli concluded.
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"We have faced attacks in the past as well with a lot of variety. We played in South Africa with Morne (Morkel), (Dale) Steyn and (Vernon) Philander all in the side. So we've faced those kind of attacks. But it was a strange pitch. I was talking to Kane as well. It wasn't seaming around, wasn't troubling us with swing. But it was slow on the drier side. So you were not able to get the shots away. And I think to be honest, lack of pace is something that cost us more than something like being intimidated [by pace] or being bowled out by an attack. It played perfectly into their plans because they feed off bowling on one spot for long periods and having fielders close in. Unless you take them on, that field is not going to change. I think the way they bowled was very accurate and the pace of the pitch also allowed them to keep bowling there because it wasn't easy to get those shots away. To be honest, they did not give us any room, on the front-foot or the back-foot, so we have to accept that they outplayed us this game and they bowled much better than we did, and put enough pressure on us understanding the wicket well, which you expect them to do, playing in their conditions. But I think going forward we understand what they would like to do and it's our job as batsmen to try and disrupt it so that as soon as possible we put enough runs on the board."
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Not with our Babar or bust batting lineup.
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It is implying nothing.
That's just projection.
India can be in NZ for 1 year playing random LOI and it would still mean nothing.
Back in 2014-15, India were in Aus for months yet lost every ODI game post the test series.
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As for preparation, I have explained this over & over & over again.
Preparation is NOT about just batting 2-4 innings in a warm up game.
It's about everything
1. Taking a series seriously.
2. Identifying the issues plaguing the team (in our case seam & swing)
3. Making sure we atleast put in the efforts (atleast in practice sessions) to get it sorted
4. Showing intensity in the field (its a reflection of how seriously you are taking things)
If you look at this side and you truly believe this was a well prepared unit, I have nothing much to say.
And just because we criticize a team for not being well prepared doesn't mean the opposition's win is undermined.
When India thrashes other teams at home, the complains reg the other team start pouring out. Nobody takes it as a slight against India.
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Yes they aren't.
Guess what happened to the team that prepared and tried to sort out its issues (aka Aus).
They almost won.
Now one doesn't have to go on a month long camp (due to time constraints) but seriousness of a series can be EASILY seen by how a team approaches the series.
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Congrats New Zealand. They had a brilliant game and hopefully more wins this year. Jamieson is exciting talent.
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Exactly. Thank you.
Pakistan for some reason always prepares well for England tours.
They did in in 2015 and performed well.
If you have weakness in one area and you expect to just turn up and win....that's just arrogance and stupidity.
Just because a team can do it in another conditions doesn't invalidate the lack of practice when they fail in the conditions they are weak.
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Excuse machine?
) ) )LMAO.
I commend your incredible comprehension and intellectual abilities if you thought I believe India has no issues.
But then what can be expected from an Ahmed Shehzad fan?
LOL.
I see you are happy India lost.
Good to see that.
It won't stay for long.
This series you will probably have your fun. So enjoy it while it lasts.
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