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New Zealand beat India by 19 runs in the 4th ODI

This is an absolute shocker from India tbh. They are lacking match winners apart from Kohli, given the off-form of Rohit and Dhawan.

Where is KL Rahul? He is better than Jadhav.
 
Executioner said:
Indian fans will now pin me as a jinx-er after my earlier comment.

But it seems that Indian lower order is very much fragile at this moment.
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No. you are correct. This Indian lineup has fragile lower order. Ash and Jadeja would have been doing better than these. And I am surely missing KL Rahul now. He is injured
 
Ankit007 said:
No. you are correct. This Indian lineup has fragile lower order. Ash and Jadeja would have been doing better than these. And I am surely missing KL Rahul now. He is injured
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Surely, Rahul looked class. He played some top shots in that innings against WI. Not a hack, and not a batsman who gets bogged down. Although international cricket against top sides is different.

I doubt that Jadeja and Ashwin amount to much. Jadeja is an underperformer with bat in international cricket, and as for Ashwin, he is not good at chancing his arms which is crucial for a batsman in his position.

I think Suresh Raina would do a better job than Axar Patel. Raina could play the aggressive role in the end.
 
All over we are not making to second round of champions trophy with this performance unless someone magically appears in our middle order.
 
NZ should win this now. Pitch looks two paced and difficult to time conventional shots:
 
This series has been a case of who can be worse than the other.

New Zealand desperately wanted to lose the series. India says, no New Zealand, we will not let you away so easily. The final is going to be a comedy of errors.
 
This series just confirms that players like Jadhav, Hardik, Axar, et al. do not belong to this league. Good that we dump these people for good and try new players before the CT next year.

This odi team is all about Kohli and Dhoni, that's it. Even Gambir, UV, Raina and Dhawan would have done better than these lulloos.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
This series just confirms that players like Jadhav, Hardik, Axar, et al. do not belong to this league. Good that we dump these people for good and try new players before the CT next year.

This odi team is all about Kohli and Dhoni, that's it. Even Gambir, UV, Raina and Dhawan would have done better than these lulloos.
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India should rope in Gambhir and Raina ASAP. UV is beyond his expiry date though
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
This series just confirms that players like Jadhav, Hardik, Axar, et al. do not belong to this league. Good that we dump these people for good and try new players before the CT next year.

This odi team is all about Kohli and Dhoni, that's it. Even Gambir, UV, Raina and Dhawan would have done better than these lulloos.
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India should stick with Dhawan, Rahul, Gambhir, UV, and Rohit till champions trophy. Not sure if other players can be reliable enough to contribute.
 
The key for New Zealand in the final should be to pace their innings so that they end up with a target of 250-260.

#SecretForSuccess
 
Ankit007 said:
His highest score in U16 tournament
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Weird.

Never been a fan of Pandya. I remember him saying that "Mushfiqur can not hit me for a six". Not sure if he can really walk the talk. Mushy is a quality batsman, and in recent years has been very good, averaging around 45-50 in ODIs lately. Good in tests too.

He should learn from Sehwag, who did fire shots at Bangladesh, but he was a man of high calibre. Not a mean feat to score 2 triple centuries in test and a double century in ODIs. He can say whatever he like.
 
Our First XI should be this
Rahul
Rohit
Kohli
Dhoni
Krunal Pandya
Raina
Pant
Jaddu
Ash
Bumrah
Bhuvi
 
This match is getting interesting, hope Indian tail scores some runs here :shakib
 
street cricketer said:
This series has been a case of who can be worse than the other.

New Zealand desperately wanted to lose the series. India says, no New Zealand, we will not let you away so easily. The final is going to be a comedy of errors.
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Just like you and Aman arguing about which is the worst 11 from both sides. :))
 
Last 12 years of my life I have grown up watching Indian ODI side thrash visiting teams (baring AUS) with 4-1/ 5-0/ 6-1 scorelines

Now, we have come to a state where we barely win series 3-2 (no disrespect to NZ, they are a good ODI side)

I hope some serious thought is put in on the playing XI from next series.
 
Lol Gambhir for ODIs?

Is this 2009 or what.:))

The Indian line up for Champions trophy should be (realistic line up)

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni (yeah I know...)
Raina/Pandey
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami/Bhuvi
Bumrah

Decent team, good top order but weak middle order. Probably will exit in the semis at best. Padosis have a good chance of winning against us in England.
 
street cricketer said:
Lol Gambhir for ODIs?

Is this 2009 or what.:))

The Indian line up for Champions trophy should be (realistic line up)

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni (yeah I know...)
Raina/Pandey
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami/Bhuvi
Bumrah

Decent team, good top order but weak middle order. Probably will exit in the semis at best. Padosis have a good chance of winning against us in England.
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My dislike for Pandey has increased this was his golden chance to perform and mishraji run out shambolic.
 
street cricketer said:
Lol Gambhir for ODIs?

Is this 2009 or what.:))

The Indian line up for Champions trophy should be (realistic line up)

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni (yeah I know...)
Raina/Pandey
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami/Bhuvi
Bumrah

Decent team, good top order but weak middle order. Probably will exit in the semis at best. Padosis have a good chance of winning against us in England.
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Yeah, except Rohit and Pandya this should be our playing XI. Hopefully all of them are fit and in form by early 2017 :pray
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Last 12 years of my life I have grown up watching Indian ODI side thrash visiting teams (baring AUS) with 4-1/ 5-0/ 6-1 scorelines

Now, we have come to a state where we barely win series 3-2 (no disrespect to NZ, they are a good ODI side)

I hope some serious thought is put in on the playing XI from next series.
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Players being rested, youngsters being tried out. You have 3 formats and IPL where cricketers are playing round the year. Even Australia are not playing their first XI in bilaterals these days. There is simply too much stress on the cricketers. Also i think ODI's are becoming irrelevant these days.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Players being rested, youngsters being tried out. You have 3 formats and IPL where cricketers are playing round the year. Even Australia are not playing their first XI in bilaterals these days. There is simply too much stress on the cricketers. Also i think ODI's are becoming irrelevant these days.
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We should rest Kohli too imo he is being burdened a lot playing this nonsense games.
 
JaDed said:
My dislike for Pandey has increased this was his golden chance to perform and mishraji run out shambolic.
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Not seeing the match. Read from cricbuzz that it was an outstanding catch from Latham. Shouldn't be too hard on him. Raina is probably a few months away from becoming an antique like Dhoni. Need someone as backup.
 
JaDed said:
We should rest Kohli too imo he is being burdened a lot playing this nonsense games.
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I agree. He's been playing way too much cricket in all 3 formats. I think we essentially need 3 different squads now with the likes of Kohli playing only important series' and not every other bilateral ODI.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Players being rested, youngsters being tried out. You have 3 formats and IPL where cricketers are playing round the year. Even Australia are not playing their first XI in bilaterals these days. There is simply too much stress on the cricketers. Also i think ODI's are becoming irrelevant these days.
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I am okay for experimentation and these bilateral results wouldn't mean much if we win upcoming CT/ WC. But that investment should be on players who are worth it. Samson/ Pant/ Nair/ Mandeep aren't given a chance and we have stop gap arrangements made, heck some of these players don't look settled under pressure and are playing in a brainless fashion! When RRR is <=6 why would you hit aerial shots :facepalm:
 
street cricketer said:
Not seeing the match. Read from cricbuzz that it was an outstanding catch from Latham. Shouldn't be too hard on him. Raina is probably a few months away from becoming an antique like Dhoni. Need someone as backup.
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Yeah maybe need to bring in one of the U-19 wonderkids atleast for these bilaterals
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
I am okay for experimentation and these bilateral results wouldn't mean much if we win upcoming CT/ WC. But that investment should be on players who are worth it. Samson/ Pant/ Nair/ Mandeep aren't given a chance and we have stop gap arrangements made, heck some of these players don't look settled under pressure and are playing in a brainless fashion! When RRR is <=6 why would you hit aerial shots :facepalm:
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I agree Dhawal Kulkarni is a shocking selection for starters. And Dhoni at 35 is not part of the future and yet he even plays in games against Zimbabwe :facepalm:
 
This would be my first starting XI is we pick the primary ones -

KL Rahul
Dhawan
Kohli
Dhoni
Pandey
Rohit/ Raina
Ashwin
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah
 
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JaDed said:
Yeah maybe need to bring in one of the U-19 wonderkids atleast for these bilaterals
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My ideal line up:

Rohit
Pant
Kohli (c)
Rahul
Pandey
Samson/Sarfaraz
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami/Bhuvi
Bumrah

Our ODI line up has gone stale. Needs an injection of youth.
 
This is the best possible XI India can have.

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni
M Pandey
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah
 
Pandya is really bits and pieces pathetic player. Very poor man's afridi
 
street cricketer said:
My ideal line up:

Rohit
Pant
Kohli (c)
Rahul
Pandey
Samson/Sarfaraz
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami/Bhuvi
Bumrah

Our ODI line up has gone stale. Needs an injection of youth.
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Yeah that looks good ideally but i wonder if outside India on trial basis we can replace Jaddu with Jhadav(if he can evolve) as well.
 
Good win for Kiwis,well done.Its almost like Kiwis vs Kohli for last match and has been for 4 matches now :facepalm:
 
Indian bowlers are bowling superbly and also doin good with the bat, however batting has been poor for ages now
 
JaDed said:
We should rest Kohli too imo he is being burdened a lot playing this nonsense games.
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Never in World Kohli will be rested for the decider (assume it is a 5 match series?).
This whole series has been Kohli v Kiwis. Or many last serieses and tournaments have been Kohli v opposition.
 
IAJ said:
Never in World Kohli will be rested for the decider (assume it is a 5 match series?).
This whole series has been Kohli v Kiwis. Or many last serieses and tournaments have been Kohli v opposition.
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Yes for the decider he won't be rested but should had been rested for the series itself also sadly he has been playing non-stop all 3 formats, surely he will burnout at this rate because he captains in IPL as well(which is very long).
 
Said this before the series as well that NZ can beat india in odi series. We are not making any progress in LOI's at all. Lost series against Bangladesh, lost at home against South Africa and now NZ have a chance to beat us too. Pandya, Jadhav, Rahane, Axar Patel, Dhawal Kulkarni should stay away from ODI's.
 
IAJ said:
Never in World Kohli will be rested for the decider (assume it is a 5 match series?).
This whole series has been Kohli v Kiwis. Or many last serieses and tournaments have been Kohli v opposition.
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NZ would have won this series already had kohli been rested for this series.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Said this before the series as well that NZ can beat india in odi series. We are not making any progress in LOI's at all. Lost series against Bangladesh, lost at home against South Africa and now NZ have a chance to beat us too. Pandya, Jadhav, Rahane, Axar Patel, Dhawal Kulkarni should stay away from ODI's.
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Pandya and Jhadav have defn shown improvement bro agree on others should take away Dhoni too although that's not going to happen.
 
Mr. Imperfect said:
Not sure why Shami was rested? He is India's best ODI fast bowler.
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Because he is needed for upcoming test tours and the main event for ODI ICC champ trophy next year,we have risked his knee injury already once can't keep doing that.
 
This is actually not a good sign for Indian ODI team. Twice Virat failed & IND failed to chase relatively smaller total around 250. I think, bowlers & fielders are doing excellent but, batting is too much top order dependent as MS is not delivering from middle/let middle order. May be, now IND should alter the batting lineup & bring Raina for lower half. Bowling looks good, only challenge is to fit in Mishra in the playing XI - a genuine Leggi is always handy in ODI, but Ash & Jaddu should play while with 2 balls, 3 pacers is a must. Sounds odd, but I probably'll pick Mishra over Ash & use Raina to bowl Offie. Hardik Pandeya can work on green tops, but don't think he offers equal to Mashrafee (As player) on Asian wickets. IND should play 3 specialist pacers & try to get some hitting power out of them. My XI for ENG Series will be

Dhawan, KL Rahul
Virat, Rohit (May be Rahul can play at 4, but Rohit is struggling at bit as opener), MS+*, Raina
Jaddu, Mishra,
BK, Shami, Bumrah

But, this line-up is weak in tail - may be, IND can try a pace bowling all-rounder at 8, in position of BK, but Pandeya is not the guy. It would have been perfect had Pathan been around for No. 8, but at 32/33, I don't think he can make a come back.

My money on NZ to steal the Series from behind.

*PS: Can anyone explain why Guptil was MoM over Southee?
 
You can bring up your KL Rahuls, Ashwins, Jadejas and Rainias, but this Indian side is Kohli or nothing.

Get him out early next game, and you have a 99% chance of winning the game.
 
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So New Zealand actually have a shot at winning an ODI series in India. But they lost 7 matches in a row in Bangladesh. South Africa too beat India in India but lost against Bangladesh. Bangladesh are probably the best Asian ODI team right now like I said. Should have really beat England in the first match and won the series. I'm backing England to beat India in the ODI series next year.
 
Executioner said:
Interesting to see how NZ performs against us in Bangladesh.
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They have lost their seven matches against Bangladesh in Bangladesh. Granted they have better spinners now but Bangladesh team is also a lot better. They would probably avoid another whitewash but still lose the series.
 
This same Indian side will turn up big in ICC events, I don't see any bite from Dhoni though, I don't even think he's good enough to lead the side in the 2019 WC.
 
I have not been up to date with the India ODI team and notice many of the usual players missing.

Where are the likes of Dhawan, Rahul, Raina, Yuvraj, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ishant and Mohit Sharma?

Are India looking to build a team for the future with all these changes or is it just a matter of injuries and players rested?

The team has been very similar for a number of years and I feel it is the end of an era with all these new faces.
 
The series may be tied 2-2 .... but the Indians don't even have their B team playing, while the NZ team is at full strength. No fault of NZ that the Indians are fielding a weak team.... mind you. My opinion ... I am sure others will have something else to say .... fair enough.
 
Sadevdesai said:
The series may be tied 2-2 .... but the Indians don't even have their B team playing, while the NZ team is at full strength. No fault of NZ that the Indians are fielding a weak team.... mind you. My opinion ... I am sure others will have something else to say .... fair enough.
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Mate, sorry to break it to you but Kohli is your team.

Take Kohli out of this Indian side and they'd struggle to beat most teams.

You put Kohli with 10 fringe players, and they'd probably beat your best Indian XI more often than not.
 
Kohli has scored about half (0.495) of India's runs in the 2 wins they've had this series.

Frankly, you can play your A team, but without him, you probably would have lost this series 5 zit.

Kohli atm is carrying this side on his back, the bowlers have performed well but the batting is Kohli or nothing.
 
Sadevdesai said:
The series may be tied 2-2 .... but the Indians don't even have their B team playing, while the NZ team is at full strength. No fault of NZ that the Indians are fielding a weak team.... mind you. My opinion ... I am sure others will have something else to say .... fair enough.
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Sorry this can't be further from the truth

Rahane is playing

Sharma is playing

Kohli is playing

Dhoni is playing

Pandya is playing

Yadav is playing

Pandey is playing

Mishra is playing



All of the above are part of India's best eleven.


Looks like you are scraping at the bottom of the barrel to find an excuse.
 
Syed1 said:
Sorry this can't be further from the truth

Rahane is playing

Sharma is playing

Kohli is playing

Dhoni is playing

Pandya is playing

Yadav is playing

Pandey is playing

Mishra is playing



All of the above are part of India's best eleven.


Looks like you are scraping at the bottom of the barrel to find an excuse.
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Rahane is not part of India's best 11. Dhawan, Rahul, Ashwin, Bumrah and Jadeja are missing.
 
MMHS said:
This is actually not a good sign for Indian ODI team. Twice Virat failed & IND failed to chase relatively smaller total around 250. I think, bowlers & fielders are doing excellent but, batting is too much top order dependent as MS is not delivering from middle/let middle order. May be, now IND should alter the batting lineup & bring Raina for lower half. Bowling looks good, only challenge is to fit in Mishra in the playing XI - a genuine Leggi is always handy in ODI, but Ash & Jaddu should play while with 2 balls, 3 pacers is a must. Sounds odd, but I probably'll pick Mishra over Ash & use Raina to bowl Offie. Hardik Pandeya can work on green tops, but don't think he offers equal to Mashrafee (As player) on Asian wickets. IND should play 3 specialist pacers & try to get some hitting power out of them. My XI for ENG Series will be

Dhawan, KL Rahul
Virat, Rohit (May be Rahul can play at 4, but Rohit is struggling at bit as opener), MS+*, Raina
Jaddu, Mishra,
BK, Shami, Bumrah

But, this line-up is weak in tail - may be, IND can try a pace bowling all-rounder at 8, in position of BK, but Pandeya is not the guy. It would have been perfect had Pathan been around for No. 8, but at 32/33, I don't think he can make a come back.

My money on NZ to steal the Series from behind.

*PS: Can anyone explain why Guptil was MoM over Southee?
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Rohit averages 50+ since he became an opener. It would be a terrible move to move him down the order again, even though he has been out of form recently.
 
Sachin136 said:
Rahane is not part of India's best 11. Dhawan, Rahul, Ashwin, Bumrah and Jadeja are missing.
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Only one of them would play though and Rahane has actually been one of India's better performers in this series. The only players that India is genuinely missing are Ashwin and Jadeja. Bumrah and Dhawan would make zero difference just like Southee would have made zero difference in the test matches.
 
Aman said:
Mate, sorry to break it to you but Kohli is your team.

Take Kohli out of this Indian side and they'd struggle to beat most teams.

You put Kohli with 10 fringe players, and they'd probably beat your best Indian XI more often than not.
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Afghanistan with Kohli would probably beat this side
 
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