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New Zealand (344/9) defeat Pakistan (271) by 73 runs in the first ODI to lead the 3-match series 1-0

Which side will win the 1st ODI between the two sides in Napier?

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shariqnoor said:
Babar(30 years old) won't be in his prime after 2.5 years but Salman(31 years old) will be after 2.5 years?

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Salman Agha is in his prime - current form matters and he is well expected to carry forward for next 2-3 years. Moreover, one can clearly see Agha inclination to improve his game all the time.

On the contrary, Babar is well past his prime at age 30.5. He is not showing any evident improvement in his game. His game is still same for the past 10 years. Teams do not fear him anymore. Don't think Babar can add more depth to his game. It is what it is.
 
Batting Coach Mohammad Yousaf speaking during the post-match press conference:

Question: What are your thoughts on the match, especially considering both bowlers gave away 130 runs?

Answer: While both bowlers conceded 130 runs, making the match costly, I don’t think it’s appropriate to comment on the team’s composition. If the bowling had been better, the outcome might have been different. The opposition played well, the pitch was good for batting, and they delivered outstanding cricket. Both Chapman and Mitchell performed excellently.

Question: Would you like to comment on the current team composition?

Answer: Whatever the team composition is, it’s not appropriate to comment on it. Chapman mentioned in his press conference that when part-time bowlers were used, the opposition decided to attack. We’ve seen in T20s as well that using spinners during power plays can result in high runs, which proved costly here.

Question: How do you think the team should adjust its bowling strategy for upcoming matches?

Answer: The team must consider who the fifth bowler will be in future matches. Playing a specialist bowler might have prevented such high runs. Other bowlers also conceded under 60 runs today. The team needs to evaluate its bowling lineup—whether to field a full-time bowler or an all-rounder.

Question: What are your thoughts on the extra runs conceded?

Answer: Conceding 43 extra runs proved very costly. This needs to be controlled, and the coaches must find ways to minimize such errors.

Question: What are your thoughts on the batting, particularly during the start and middle overs?

Answer: The start was excellent, with the openers contributing an 83-run partnership in 13 overs. In the middle overs, Agha and Babar also batted well. It seemed like we were on track to win the match.

Question: What are your thoughts on the key moments of the match?

Answer: Rizwan’s dismissal followed by consecutive wickets were crucial moments. However, Agha played exceptionally well, making the chase easier. Babar also batted brilliantly.

Question: Any final thoughts on the batting?

Answer: There were several positives in the batting. The start was strong, and the middle-order batsmen played well. Partnerships like these can secure wins.

Question: What are your views on New Zealand’s bowling?

Answer: New Zealand bowled effectively. They kept us under pressure and utilized their height advantage well. They bowled in good areas, which contributed to their success in the match.
 
Sachin fan said:
The absolute shamelessness of Rizbar fans to blame inexperienced newcomers. Even Sachin and kohli didn't succeed in their first tours.

All other team fans give new comers a longer rope and are patient with them and hold seniors accountable. It's only subcontinent fans who jump like vultures on newcomers and youngsters while worshipping seniors who keep failing.

These fans deserve their team to be at the bottom.
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Last 6 batters scored 3 runs.
 
Ijaz Ahmed07 said:
It's just pride bhai , when you have taken a stance on an individual like what some have done on Babar then its difficult to analyse fairly if you are stubborn , there is no difference in the knock Babar Azam played to Daryll Mitchell but Babar is getting the blame because others did not do their job.

We lost this game because of poor fielding , too many extras , poor bowling , poor balance in the team , Rizwan's captaincy also backfired with the 5th bowling option , and the lower order offered nothing.

Babar Azam was one of the best players today honestly.
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I am not a Babar fan, the problem is whosoever comes up with questions against others, people ridicule them by labelling Babar fan.

How on earth last 6 batters can score just 3 runs combined ? I am not saying we should drop them, but don't give them fake narratives that it was not your job to do. They have to be held responsible.
 
Rana said:
Bilkul…
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With Fakhar and Saim back and Agha at 4, we need someone strong at 6 & 7 who can actually bat deep and hit big also when needed. Unfortunately I don't see anyone in the current system. Whoever is there at the moment is either too slow or just 1 hit hero.
 
New Zealand dominate Pakistan in first ODI with 73-run victory

New Zealand secured a commanding 73-run win against Pakistan in the series opener at Napier's McLean Park, taking a 1-0 lead in the three-match ODI contest.

After being put in to bat, the hosts posted an imposing 344/9, anchored by Mark Chapman's brilliant 132 off 111 balls - his third ODI century. He shared a massive 199-run partnership with Daryl Mitchell (76 off 84). Debutant Muhammad Abbas provided late fireworks with a rapid 52 from just 26 deliveries.

Pakistan's bowlers struggled to contain the onslaught, with only Muhammad Irfan Khan (3/51), Haris Rauf (2/38) and debutant Akif Javed (2/55) making notable contributions.

In response, Pakistan's chase showed promise at 249/3 before collapsing spectacularly, losing their last seven wickets for just 22 runs to be bowled out for 271 in 44.1 overs. Babar Azam top-scored with 78, while Salman Ali Agha (58 off 48) reached 1000 ODI runs during his innings. The openers had given a solid start with an 83-run stand.

New Zealand's Nathan Smith was the chief destroyer with 4/60, supported by Jacob Duffy's 2/57. Chapman was deservedly named Player of the Match for his match-winning century.

The teams now move to Hamilton for the second ODI on April 2 at Seddon Park, followed by the series finale on April 5 at Mount Maunganui's Bay Oval.

Brief Scores:

New Zealand 344/9 (50 overs): Chapman 132, Mitchell 76, Abbas 52; Irfan 3/51
Pakistan 271 (44.1 overs): Babar 78, Salman 58; Smith 4/60
Result: New Zealand won by 73 runs
Player of the Match: Mark Chapman (NZ)
 
mango_bite77 said:
With Fakhar and Saim back and Agha at 4, we need someone strong at 6 & 7 who can actually bat deep and hit big also when needed. Unfortunately I don't see anyone in the current system. Whoever is there at the moment is either too slow or just 1 hit hero.
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Bro... we've been looking for no 6 and 7 for years and a bowling all rounder? ... may be time to try Aamer Jamal no 7/8 or give him a consistent run.
 
-Average score 220 in the last 7 games, and Pakistan concede 350

-Williamson, Ravindra, Latham, Santner, Henry and Phillips missing. Add Conway in that for the sake of it.
 
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While chasing big totals your specialist batsman should be able to atleast bat at the rate of 9 atleast. 90 in 10 with 6 wkts in hand is as gettable as it can get.
 
Shameful and gutless defeat, shouldn't be losing games from the position we're during run chase
 
shariqnoor said:
Yeah they are ridiculous. Throw them out. Don't even give them domestic contracts.
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Good because the lack of intent was just nauseating to watch.

shariqnoor said:
Now will you criticize your darling Shafique?
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I wouldn’t go as far as calling him my “darling”.

I stand by what I said about him. Technically, he’s the best batsman in Pakistan.

He's technically the most sound player in the Pakistan team. There's a big myth in Pakistan cricket that it's Babar, who is technically the most correct player but there's no secret about how inept he is against spin.

There's another common misconception about Abdullah Shafique that I should add here. He isn't a defensive player. The problem is he's a confidence player. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be coached nor is it easy to snap out of.

He has too much nervous energy in his batting, as we saw today. It’s a shame because he has all the ingredients to become a world class batsman.

I would like to see Pakistan maybe give him a role at number 3 or 4 for two reasons. Firstly, so he's less exposed to the new ball and secondly, because he plays spin well.

Most of our players are either solid against pace or spin or are just crap in general.

Shafique on the other hand is one of the very few, who is decent against both spin and pace.

I still prefer him to Imam, who is a nothing more than a shotless wonder.
 
topspin said:
Good because the lack of intent was just nauseating to watch.



I wouldn’t go as far as calling him my “darling”.

I stand by what I said about him. Technically, he’s the best batsman in Pakistan.

He's technically the most sound player in the Pakistan team. There's a big myth in Pakistan cricket that it's Babar, who is technically the most correct player but there's no secret about how inept he is against spin.

There's another common misconception about Abdullah Shafique that I should add here. He isn't a defensive player. The problem is he's a confidence player. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be coached nor is it easy to snap out of.

He has too much nervous energy in his batting, as we saw today. It’s a shame because he has all the ingredients to become a world class batsman.

I would like to see Pakistan maybe give him a role at number 3 or 4 for two reasons. Firstly, so he's less exposed to the new ball and secondly, because he plays spin well.

Most of our players are either solid against pace or spin or are just crap in general.

Shafique on the other hand is one of the very few, who is decent against both spin and pace.

I still prefer him to Imam, who is a nothing more than a shotless wonder.
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Techincally Saim is superior to Abdullah. Abdullah has a huge problem against inswing, his stance often makes him vulnerable to that inswing length in the same way rohit usually is.

But yes Abdullah is good at driving, has good backfoot and front foot fundamentals against spin and is very good at pulling the ball with his backfoot.

But he's a mental midget. Just a techincally superior right handed version of imam
 
Rana said:
-Average score 220 in the last 7 games, and Pakistan concede 350

-Williamson, Ravindra, Latham, Santner, Henry and Phillips missing. Add Conway in that for the sake of it.
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Bhai NZ bench strength is very solid right now and their powers amplify at home generally. I think this is a good series for the greens, NZ is showing exactly where you stand and what all you need to improve on. It’s the best place you could have toured right now.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Shameful and gutless defeat, shouldn't be losing games from the position we're during run chase
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Brother, you all asked for new blood. It is what it is. Time to put major focus on domestics. You have people still wishing players played the damn 100 tournament,
 
mominsaigol said:
Techincally Saim is superior to Abdullah. Abdullah has a huge problem against inswing, his stance often makes him vulnerable to that inswing length in the same way rohit usually is.

But yes Abdullah is good at driving, has good backfoot and front foot fundamentals against spin and is very good at pulling the ball with his backfoot.

But he's a mental midget. Just a techincally superior right handed version of imam
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Saim is a good player and perhaps Pakistan’s best opener in white ball cricket. I have no doubts over his ability, it’s just a case of sustaining his form, fitness and focus.

What we don’t want is another case of Babar/Sarfraz, where he becomes captain and his attitude to fitness and practice goes downhill.

Regarding his technical ability, I don’t think he’s as good as Shafique against spin. This is one area of his game that needs improvement.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Brother, you all asked for new blood. It is what it is. Time to put major focus on domestics. You have people still wishing players played the damn 100 tournament,
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Old blood, new blood is irrelevant here. To have the run chase under control and then panic and loose that many wickets is unacceptable.

The lack of calm and Common sense which lead to collapse was beyond criminal
 
Rana said:
What’s Abdullah doing? Becoming fatter physically and slower with the bat every time?
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I didn’t see his innings but if this was the case then he should be dropped along with Babar.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with Rizwan as we don’t have anyone remotely close to him behind the stumps.
 
topspin said:
Saim is a good player and perhaps Pakistan’s best opener in white ball cricket. I have no doubts over his ability, it’s just a case of sustaining his form, fitness and focus.

What we don’t want is another case of Babar/Sarfraz, where he becomes captain and his attitude to fitness and practice goes downhill.

Regarding his technical ability, I don’t think he’s as good as Shafique against spin. This is one area of his game that needs improvement.
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I agree, imo the best technical player I've ever seen from Pakistan is Yousaf. That dude had virtually no weakenesses. His head placement, Feet movement and orthodox stroke selection was top tier.

From Australia it's Ponting no doubt. In test cricket Steve smith is obviously superior to Ponting but Smith is an extremely ugly batsmen excluding his drives which are classy.

Amla from South Africa and Sachin from India.
 
mominsaigol said:
I agree, imo the best technical player I've ever seen from Pakistan is Yousaf. That dude had virtually no weakenesses. His head placement, Feet movement and orthodox stroke selection was top tier.

From Australia it's Ponting no doubt. In test cricket Steve smith is obviously superior to Ponting but Smith is an extremely ugly batsmen excluding his drives which are classy.

Amla from South Africa and Sachin from India.
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Agree with :moyo being the best from PAK. Disagree about Amla. Kallis was the better technician imo
 
Amjid Javed said:
Old blood, new blood is irrelevant here. To have the run chase under control and then panic and loose that many wickets is unacceptable.

The lack of calm and Common sense which lead to collapse was beyond criminal
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You’re 100% right.
But you have 2 experienced batters here who have proven to be anchors but can’t play like that and they’re your most dependable batters. Apart from Salman rest of the batters seem to be on a learning curve in international cricket unfortunately, they don’t seem technically ready for this level. It’s the talent level you have right now bro. It’s not outworldly
 
topspin said:
Saim is a good player and perhaps Pakistan’s best opener in white ball cricket. I have no doubts over his ability, it’s just a case of sustaining his form, fitness and focus.

What we don’t want is another case of Babar/Sarfraz, where he becomes captain and his attitude to fitness and practice goes downhill.

Regarding his technical ability, I don’t think he’s as good as Shafique against spin. This is one area of his game that needs improvement.
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As what I’ve said before fitness is our biggest problem. People go about finding talent but talent is rare. But the talent we have had many of them have been poor fitness to start with or have degraded in fitness over time. We can not afford to simply lose the talent that we do have due to poor fitness.

Especially losing fitness while being part of the international set up. That is insane to me.
 
ads101 said:
As what I’ve said before fitness is our biggest problem. People go about finding talent but talent is rare. But the talent we have had many of them have been poor fitness to start with or have degraded in fitness over time. We can not afford to simply lose the talent that we do have due to poor fitness.

Especially losing fitness while being part of the international set up. That is insane to me.
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The fitness standards, diet and the work ethic is just not acceptable at this level.

These guys are supposed to be athletes.

Pakistan needs to appoint the right players to captain the side. Specifically, those who know how to carry themselves on and off the pitch and understand the important work ethic, fitness and discipline.
 
The body language of the Pakistani players especially the senior players stinks. They laugh and giggle on the field when getting trashed about as if it's perfectly acceptable.

This is the result of a PCB management which has never tightened screws on the players and never held them accountable.
 
Bhaijaan said:
You’re 100% right.
But you have 2 experienced batters here who have proven to be anchors but can’t play like that and they’re your most dependable batters. Apart from Salman rest of the batters seem to be on a learning curve in international cricket unfortunately, they don’t seem technically ready for this level. It’s the talent level you have right now bro. It’s not outworldly
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The only reason panic should have maybe occurred was if the run rate gor out of control, but at the time it hadn't.

The senior batsmen I blame more so, as they should no better when well set. But the new batsmen simply seemed to know what they were doing when they came out into the middle.

Seems the same issues as usual with this team, no substance to batting in lower middle order.

With the ball the 5th bowling option is atrocious. No decent all rounders.

Also our so called normal specialist need to improve their all round games to offer extra options to the team.

The balance of this ODI team never seems right
 
topspin said:
Good because the lack of intent was just nauseating to watch.



I wouldn’t go as far as calling him my “darling”.

I stand by what I said about him. Technically, he’s the best batsman in Pakistan.

He's technically the most sound player in the Pakistan team. There's a big myth in Pakistan cricket that it's Babar, who is technically the most correct player but there's no secret about how inept he is against spin.

There's another common misconception about Abdullah Shafique that I should add here. He isn't a defensive player. The problem is he's a confidence player. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be coached nor is it easy to snap out of.

He has too much nervous energy in his batting, as we saw today. It’s a shame because he has all the ingredients to become a world class batsman.

I would like to see Pakistan maybe give him a role at number 3 or 4 for two reasons. Firstly, so he's less exposed to the new ball and secondly, because he plays spin well.

Most of our players are either solid against pace or spin or are just crap in general.

Shafique on the other hand is one of the very few, who is decent against both spin and pace.

I still prefer him to Imam, who is a nothing more than a shotless wonder.
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All this only to inevitably not criticize Shafique for his SR issues. Typical.
 
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shariqnoor said:
All this only to inevitably not criticize Shafique for his SR issues. Typical.
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Firstly, Eid Mubarak for whenever you are celebrating.

Secondly, please have the courtesy to address my response properly if we are having a discussion.

Shafique’s SR was unacceptable.
 
sweep_shot said:
That 5th bowling option probably cost Pakistan the game.

Those 10 overs cost Pakistan over 110 runs!
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Possibly, but the game for me was lost when Pakistan couldn’t capitalise on the overcast conditions.

There was prodigious swing and Pakistan should have restricted New Zealand to 220-230.

Babar and Rizwan sucked up a lot of the momentum as well which meant any chance Pakistan had of chasing them were turned into dust by this pair.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Na NA.... This is all Babar's fault.. He should carry the other 10 deadbeats on his shoulder...

Collapse started as soon as he got out. Otherwise we were winning that game.
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A set batsman should finish the game. He faced 80+ balls, must have started to see the ball very well and the boundaries were really short and the pitch got very batter friendly. Like Chapman did it for NZ
 
Josh said:
A set batsman should finish the game. He faced 80+ balls, must have started to see the ball very well and the boundaries were really short and the pitch got very batter friendly. Like Chapman did it for NZ
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Not just that, his slow start killed the momentum of the innings and he finished on a strike rate 21 points below what was required (94, 115)
 
sweep_shot said:
That 5th bowling option probably cost Pakistan the game.

Those 10 overs cost Pakistan over 110 runs!
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The 5th bowling option was poor during CT and tri series away. You cant get away with part time halwa and samosas throwers in team
 
There is always an excuse for Babar available.

His job is not to play fast.

His job is not to finish games.

His job is not to stop collapses.

His job is not to hit centuries.

His job is not to open.

What his his effing job in the context of any game?

Play marbles and hope the other players win the game?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The highest scorer played at a SR of less than 100 chasing 350.

What was he chasing?

Goldfish?
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We were bowled out with 6 overs to spare!!! SR was not the problem there at all. He was almost at a run a ball which is ok considering tulla Agha was tonking a few. As soon as Babar got out we lost. It wasn't like we ended up 300/5.
 
The difference was Pakistan had Irfan Niazi who was a colossal failure with both bat and ball whereas Muhammad Abbas was a much superior finisher and much better with the ball.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
We were bowled out with 6 overs to spare!!! SR was not the problem there at all. He was almost at a run a ball which is ok considering tulla Agha was tonking a few. As soon as Babar got out we lost. It wasn't like we ended up 300/5.
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So everyone who tonks is a tulla.

And everyone who plays with constipation oblivious to the score is helping the team win.

If you were any smarter, you could go backwards.
 
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