imshally81
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On merit? You're acting like Pakistan is a world class unit who has standards. Agha is literally an outlier along with saim and fakhar, nor the normOnly Salman agha makes team on merit. others are pathetic.
Fined for supporting IkWhat happened to that fighter all rounder, Aamer Jamaal
Game was well under control, show me a team who score >8 an over right from ball 1 chasing 340. The middle overs are crucial in terms of saving wickets and get into comfortable position by 35th overs. But then they did what they were supposed to do, to accelerate. But unfortunately we have picked two tail enders who can't even score 6 off 6, let alone scoring anything over 8 an overIt came down to 99 off 66 because of Agha's exceptional knock from get go.
At one point they needed 175 off 120 with inexperienced players like Irfan and tayyab to follow.
This is not how you chase 345. Block everything first up and then hope everything falls into place after over number 30
Still he is the only player i would have in my team alongwith fakhar and saim.On merit? You're acting like Pakistan is a world class unit who has standards. Agha is literally an outlier along with saim and fakhar, nor the norm
Yes, if they are not supposed to save their wicket why are they in team ? better play with 8 bowlers and 3 batters and then put blame on those 3 batters.Irfan getting golden duck, tayyab getting run out... How is everything Babar's fault???
Soon foreign teams will stop inviting pak just one embarrassment after another. They just cannot play cricket at any format anymore.
Not talking about this match, talking about his career.2 wickets is not collapse bhai
At least they can hold a bat & score 30/40 save paks blushesHail RizBar
Yeah they are ridiculous. Throw them out. Don't even give them domestic contracts.Any words on Babar and Rizwan? Or are they exempt from criticism because they were Misbah’s golden boys and T20 opening partnership?
The cornerstone of mediocre mentalityAt least they can hold a bat & score 30/40 save paks blushes
It is what it is nowThe cornerstone of mediocre mentality
Wow we have just been hammered by a NZ backyard cricket team. Most of these guys will find it difficult to play for New Zealand’s main side, and here our full strength is getting boshed by them without them even trying.
Just the same as the T20 side.
We played 3 debutants today. Hardly a full strength side.Wow we have just been hammered by a NZ backyard cricket team. Most of these guys will find it difficult to play for New Zealand’s main side, and here our full strength is getting boshed by them without them even trying.
Just the same as the T20 side.
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.
I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.
Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.
I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.
Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter
Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
Still much stronger than NZ, but Rizbar did what they do best. Stat-pad then throw their wickets away.We played 3 debutants today. Hardly a full strength side.
Pakistan is an imbalanced unit due to lack of all roundersPakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.
I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.
Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.
I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.
Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter
Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
No blame on Salman and Usman today. Even Rizzu showed intent.Pointless knocks from Babar and Salman. Both played selfishly for themselves. Salman at the end didn't mind scoring 50 even if it meant exposing the tail.
Pointless knocks from Babar and Salman. Both played selfishly for themselves. Salman at the end didn't mind scoring 50 even if it meant exposing the tail.
Probably pindi concretes brother.He has a fc avg of 45 in tests so might be worth a try in red ball only. In odi and t20 hell no
Woh bhi aa ke shoq pura ker le ...What happened to that fighter all rounder, Aamer Jamaal
My respect for Babar, Rizwan and Salman has increased hundred fold after watching rubbish like Tayyub and Irfan come after them
Nathan smith is a pathetic bowler. INfact none of them have skill set required for one dayers. Cannot keep banging every ball. You have to vary line and length. That Abbas guy bowled better than him. Real lack of experience in terms of skill sets.They are now their main bowlers. Boult and southee are gone for good, locked fergusion is mediocre, only matt henry is missing. Same willow rouke and Nathan Smith were bowling in champions trophy final.
You forgot Fakhar. Babar and Rizzu's role have to be re-evaluated. This stat padding cannot go on for long.Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.
I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.
Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.
I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.
Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter
Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
50-3 and then scoring 344. Would blame Rizwan here for not securing strong 5th bowling option.I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.
This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
Doesn't change the fact that these are their main bowlers. Only Matt Henry is missing. Lockie is always injured.Nathan smith is a pathetic bowler. INfact none of them have skill set required for one dayers. Cannot keep banging every ball. You have to vary line and length. That Abbas guy bowled better than him. Real lack of experience in terms of skill sets.
Yes but still Pak bowlers were poor. Well they have done well to drop shaheen, Naseem deserves same treatment. Better to get som youngster and fail rather than sticking with these self styled stars.This pitch actually got better to bat on towards the end of first innings
I don’t think anyone is saying this loss is on the batsmen.I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.
This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.
This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
It's quite good@mominsaigol @Major @Rana @Mobashir @Markhor @Mamoon @IAJ @Bullet Drive @Syed1 @Suleiman
Your thoughts on my batting line up suggestion
It was a terrible team selection to not have a 5th option. Also Rizwan introduced Salman far too late. Today wasn't his best captaincy day. Bowlers also need to take responsibility. Bowled rubbish after the 25th over.50-3 and then scoring 344. Would blame Rizwan here for not securing strong 5th bowling option.
Best batsman in this lineup cannot bat at 6.They should strengthen the batting by putting a proper specialist batsman like KG or Saud at 4. It’s too high for Rizwan, he has to keep and captain, it’s way too much responsibility and to be honest he’s not good enough to bat at 4.
4. Saud/KG/specialist bat
5. Rizwan
6. Salman
7. Batting allrounder like Arafat Minhas.
This should be the way to go.
It's just pride bhai , when you have taken a stance on an individual like what some have done on Babar then its difficult to analyse fairly if you are stubborn , there is no difference in the knock Babar Azam played to Daryll Mitchell but Babar is getting the blame because others did not do their job.22-6 in last 6 overs.
Game finished with 6 over to spare.
Never a SR problem.
Babar has never finished the game barring 1 or 2 innings in his career. So there's no data to support that he should've done here. Revise your expectations. Salman Agha is the best finisher we have. But he didn't have any support.Batsmen had a good platform. Babar should have finished the game. The batters are also equally to blame.
He is suited as a finisher, he can accelerate and control the tempo at 6.Best batsman in this lineup cannot bat at 6.
What are considered middle overs ? 10-40 ?Babar Azam middle over strike rate since 2024 79.88
Rizwan middle over strike rate since 2024 79.79
Comparison
Virat kohli 84.76
Shreyas Iyer 90.50
Steve smith 79.72
Kane williamson 93.23
Joe Root 86.15
Bavuma 85.88
11-40What are considered middle overs ? 10-40 ?
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.
I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.
Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.
I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.
Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter
Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
Babar has never finished the game barring 1 or 2 innings in his career. So there's no data to support that he should've done here. Revise your expectations. Salman Agha is the best finisher we have. But he didn't have any support.
8 times out of 10, teams would not chase 350 in NZ. With Pakistan it would be 10 out of 10 times. This loss is clearly on the bowlers/captain. Whare should've been 270 ended up 350.
WRONG! most successful chase in history have teams going bang bang in front, then maintaining the run rate and then at max chasing 7.5 to 8 run per over at death.Fined for supporting Ik
Game was well under control, show me a team who score >8 an over right from ball 1 chasing 340. The middle overs are crucial in terms of saving wickets and get into comfortable position by 35th overs. But then they did what they were supposed to do, to accelerate. But unfortunately we have picked two tail enders who can't even score 6 off 6, let alone scoring anything over 8 an over
@Bhaijaan Your slots are fine, just have to kick out Rizwan and it will be a good unit.
Adding Rizwan means another accumulator and we cannot afford that -- that too at 5th number!
My team:
1. Fakhar
2. Saim
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Agha/balanced player
6. Another hitter - maybe Hasan Nawaz
The absolute shamelessness of Rizbar fans to blame inexperienced newcomers. Even Sachin and kohli didn't succeed in their first tours.What risk Tayyab and Niazi took ? Please man, stop this nonsense, criticise when required, not just for the sake of it.
90 off 66, is not a pressure situation with 60mtr boundaries
It's quite good
But with the lack of players we have in the country these days it will be hard to fill the gaps.
We will have to carry Fakhar to the world cup in SA so Babar can stay at 3.
1. Saim
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Salman
5. Haider Ali (no guarantee he will play well, but at least he can take singles and has the big hits also)
6. Rizwan
Thanks bro.
Sorry for forgetting to tag you. I consider you an elite poster. Sometimes memory issues , hope you would understand. I’m taking pomegranate juice on a regular basis now.
I didn’t realize Fakhar is still in contention. I thought his honey issues meant he’s out of future plans. He’s a terrific white ball batter for Pakistan.
You forgot Fakhar. Babar and Rizzu's role have to be re-evaluated. This stat padding cannot go on for long.
Babar(30 years old) won't be in his prime after 2.5 years but Salman(31 years old) will be after 2.5 years?Babar, Rizwan and Fakhar won't be in their prime in the next ODI WC 2027. They are already regressing - 2.5 years beyond, they won't be much better. Pakistan should build team around Saim and Agha and find some new good batsman. Otherwise its going to be disaster in yet another ODI world cup.