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New Zealand (344/9) defeat Pakistan (271) by 73 runs in the first ODI to lead the 3-match series 1-0

followed said:
Only Salman agha makes team on merit. others are pathetic.
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On merit? You're acting like Pakistan is a world class unit who has standards. Agha is literally an outlier along with saim and fakhar, nor the norm
 
Croma said:
What happened to that fighter all rounder, Aamer Jamaal
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Fined for supporting Ik
Ahmed216 said:
It came down to 99 off 66 because of Agha's exceptional knock from get go.

At one point they needed 175 off 120 with inexperienced players like Irfan and tayyab to follow.

This is not how you chase 345. Block everything first up and then hope everything falls into place after over number 30
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Game was well under control, show me a team who score >8 an over right from ball 1 chasing 340. The middle overs are crucial in terms of saving wickets and get into comfortable position by 35th overs. But then they did what they were supposed to do, to accelerate. But unfortunately we have picked two tail enders who can't even score 6 off 6, let alone scoring anything over 8 an over
 
Soon foreign teams will stop inviting pak just one embarrassment after another. They just cannot play cricket at any format anymore.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Irfan getting golden duck, tayyab getting run out... How is everything Babar's fault???
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Yes, if they are not supposed to save their wicket why are they in team ? better play with 8 bowlers and 3 batters and then put blame on those 3 batters.
 
Respect to Salman Agha.
He’s showing through his intent and performances why he was chosen as captain for T20s and if he keeps it up he’s going to be the ODI captain as well soon. Not sure Rizwan is going to keep the captaincy for too long with his string of uninspiring batting efforts. Captain has to set the tone. If the captain himself is playing a non winning style of cricket he cannot inspire others to play properly.

Wishing Salman bhai the best. Although the team is going through a rough phase, he’s showing that he’s a well polished talent having gone through a decent level of first class cricket. He’s ready for the challenges of modern day white ball cricket.
 
Very poor from Pakistan. NZ missing 7-8 first choice players , losing a very crucial toss and still they conceded 344 and failing to chase against a 3 man seam attack with Nathan Smith.
 
topspin said:
Any words on Babar and Rizwan? Or are they exempt from criticism because they were Misbah’s golden boys and T20 opening partnership?
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Yeah they are ridiculous. Throw them out. Don't even give them domestic contracts.

Now will you criticize your darling Shafique?
 
Wow we have just been hammered by a NZ backyard cricket team. Most of these guys will find it difficult to play for New Zealand’s main side, and here our full strength is getting boshed by them without them even trying.

Just the same as the T20 side.
 
The issue with Pak is that they accept defeat mid match & hence play like this.

U literally have 3 overs from a 5th bowler & they are taking chances on the premier bowler of the opposition. Brainless cricket is something else but no fight is just terrible. A mentally weak team with zero exceptions
 
That 5th bowling option cost us the game today, too many tactical blunders have been made recently, both coach and captain are at fault.
 
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.

I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.

Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.

I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.


Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter


Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Wow we have just been hammered by a NZ backyard cricket team. Most of these guys will find it difficult to play for New Zealand’s main side, and here our full strength is getting boshed by them without them even trying.

Just the same as the T20 side.
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Not full strength . Abrar ahead of Mo. Ali, Khushdil ahead of one of Tayyab/Niazi, Saim ahead of Abdullah. Unless Fakhar is finished , he plays above Usman.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Wow we have just been hammered by a NZ backyard cricket team. Most of these guys will find it difficult to play for New Zealand’s main side, and here our full strength is getting boshed by them without them even trying.

Just the same as the T20 side.
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We played 3 debutants today. Hardly a full strength side.
 
Pointless knocks from Babar and Salman. Both played selfishly for themselves. Salman at the end didn't mind scoring 50 even if it meant exposing the tail.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.

I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.

Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.

I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.


Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter


Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
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@mominsaigol @Major @Rana @Mobashir @Markhor @Mamoon @IAJ @Bullet Drive @Syed1 @Suleiman

Your thoughts on my batting line up suggestion
 
wow what happened. Sometime back i saw Pak cruising. Babar has scored the highest runs. Pak has lost. I can already see the narrative from Babar fan club.
 
Greenstorm said:
We played 3 debutants today. Hardly a full strength side.
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Still much stronger than NZ, but Rizbar did what they do best. Stat-pad then throw their wickets away.

To lose to this NZ team should be a criminal offence, but to lose by 70+ runs to them should end your careers.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.

I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.

Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.

I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.


Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter


Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
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Pakistan is an imbalanced unit due to lack of all rounders
 
Savak said:
Pointless knocks from Babar and Salman. Both played selfishly for themselves. Salman at the end didn't mind scoring 50 even if it meant exposing the tail.
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My respect for Babar, Rizwan and Salman has increased hundred fold after watching rubbish like Tayyub and Irfan come after them
 
I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.

This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
 
msb314 said:
My respect for Babar, Rizwan and Salman has increased hundred fold after watching rubbish like Tayyub and Irfan come after them
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What's the point? The team is still losing and not achieving anything. If that's your standard then god help us
 
Katwalindian said:
They are now their main bowlers. Boult and southee are gone for good, locked fergusion is mediocre, only matt henry is missing. Same willow rouke and Nathan Smith were bowling in champions trophy final.
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Nathan smith is a pathetic bowler. INfact none of them have skill set required for one dayers. Cannot keep banging every ball. You have to vary line and length. That Abbas guy bowled better than him. Real lack of experience in terms of skill sets.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.

I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.

Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.

I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.


Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter


Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
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You forgot Fakhar. Babar and Rizzu's role have to be re-evaluated. This stat padding cannot go on for long.
 
shariqnoor said:
I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.

This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
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50-3 and then scoring 344. Would blame Rizwan here for not securing strong 5th bowling option.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Nathan smith is a pathetic bowler. INfact none of them have skill set required for one dayers. Cannot keep banging every ball. You have to vary line and length. That Abbas guy bowled better than him. Real lack of experience in terms of skill sets.
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Doesn't change the fact that these are their main bowlers. Only Matt Henry is missing. Lockie is always injured.
 
They should strengthen the batting by putting a proper specialist batsman like KG or Saud at 4. It’s too high for Rizwan, he has to keep and captain, it’s way too much responsibility and to be honest he’s not good enough to bat at 4.

4. Saud/KG/specialist bat
5. Rizwan
6. Salman
7. Batting allrounder like Arafat Minhas.

This should be the way to go.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This pitch actually got better to bat on towards the end of first innings
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Yes but still Pak bowlers were poor. Well they have done well to drop shaheen, Naseem deserves same treatment. Better to get som youngster and fail rather than sticking with these self styled stars.
 
shariqnoor said:
I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.

This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
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I don’t think anyone is saying this loss is on the batsmen.

You can criticize the batsmen here without putting all the blame on them, the bowlers have lost us the last few games that’s for sure.

Rizwan and the team management also lost their brains somewhere by not going with a fifth bowler and playing Niazi when he has struggled to time even one ball this whole tour.
 
shariqnoor said:
I don't get this obsession of blaming the batsmen everytime we lose.

This loss is not on the batsmen. It's clearly on the bowlers. To allow NZ to score nearly 350 after they were around 80 at the 20 over mark is criminal.
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Batsmen had a good platform. Babar should have finished the game. The batters are also equally to blame.
 
Bhaijaan said:
@mominsaigol @Major @Rana @Mobashir @Markhor @Mamoon @IAJ @Bullet Drive @Syed1 @Suleiman

Your thoughts on my batting line up suggestion
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It's quite good
But with the lack of players we have in the country these days it will be hard to fill the gaps.
We will have to carry Fakhar to the world cup in SA so Babar can stay at 3.
1. Saim
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Salman
5. Haider Ali (no guarantee he will play well, but at least he can take singles and has the big hits also)
6. Rizwan
 
mango_bite77 said:
50-3 and then scoring 344. Would blame Rizwan here for not securing strong 5th bowling option.
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It was a terrible team selection to not have a 5th option. Also Rizwan introduced Salman far too late. Today wasn't his best captaincy day. Bowlers also need to take responsibility. Bowled rubbish after the 25th over.
 
Nabeel23 said:
They should strengthen the batting by putting a proper specialist batsman like KG or Saud at 4. It’s too high for Rizwan, he has to keep and captain, it’s way too much responsibility and to be honest he’s not good enough to bat at 4.

4. Saud/KG/specialist bat
5. Rizwan
6. Salman
7. Batting allrounder like Arafat Minhas.

This should be the way to go.
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Best batsman in this lineup cannot bat at 6.
 
mango_bite77 said:
22-6 in last 6 overs.

Game finished with 6 over to spare.

Never a SR problem.
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It's just pride bhai , when you have taken a stance on an individual like what some have done on Babar then its difficult to analyse fairly if you are stubborn , there is no difference in the knock Babar Azam played to Daryll Mitchell but Babar is getting the blame because others did not do their job.

We lost this game because of poor fielding , too many extras , poor bowling , poor balance in the team , Rizwan's captaincy also backfired with the 5th bowling option , and the lower order offered nothing.

Babar Azam was one of the best players today honestly.
 
Savak said:
Batsmen had a good platform. Babar should have finished the game. The batters are also equally to blame.
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Babar has never finished the game barring 1 or 2 innings in his career. So there's no data to support that he should've done here. Revise your expectations. Salman Agha is the best finisher we have. But he didn't have any support.

8 times out of 10, teams would not chase 350 in NZ. With Pakistan it would be 10 out of 10 times. This loss is clearly on the bowlers/captain. Whare should've been 270 ended up 350.
 
Babar Azam middle over strike rate since 2024 79.88
Rizwan middle over strike rate since 2024 79.79

Comparison

Virat kohli 84.76
Shreyas Iyer 90.50
Steve smith 79.72
Kane williamson 93.23
Joe Root 86.15
Bavuma 85.88
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Babar Azam middle over strike rate since 2024 79.88
Rizwan middle over strike rate since 2024 79.79

Comparison

Virat kohli 84.76
Shreyas Iyer 90.50
Steve smith 79.72
Kane williamson 93.23
Joe Root 86.15
Bavuma 85.88
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What are considered middle overs ? 10-40 ?
 
Bhaijaan said:
Pakistan team shows some spark every now and then but unfortunately there are way too many freeloaders in this bus.

I’m sorry if it hurts but many players in your team are not cut for international cricket.

Despite the low SR, RizBar can at least score runs everywhere and avoid the embarrassment of low team totals.

I still think best way forward is to build a team around them rather than outside of them. Salman has solidified his position. Saim will come back soon. That’s 4 LOI batsmen set. Need to find 2-3 solid batters and you’re ok.


Saim - accelerator
Babar - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Salman Agha - accelerator
Rizwan - anchor
Vacant - accelerator
Vacant - pure hitter


Fill the vacant positions with batters with a solid technique and if you still lose then accept that.
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@Bhaijaan Your slots are fine, just have to kick out Rizwan and it will be a good unit.

Adding Rizwan means another accumulator and we cannot afford that -- that too at 5th number!

My team:

1. Fakhar
2. Saim
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Agha/balanced player
6. Another hitter - maybe Hasan Nawaz
 
shariqnoor said:
Babar has never finished the game barring 1 or 2 innings in his career. So there's no data to support that he should've done here. Revise your expectations. Salman Agha is the best finisher we have. But he didn't have any support.

8 times out of 10, teams would not chase 350 in NZ. With Pakistan it would be 10 out of 10 times. This loss is clearly on the bowlers/captain. Whare should've been 270 ended up 350.
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What's the point of playing Babar then if he can't win games and if his runs are useless.

Pakistan at one point were 250/3. They had the platform hence why batsmen deserve to be blamed as well and should be held accountable as well.
 
My point on Babar and Rizwan is that they are fine for ODI and Test Cricket but they are no longer required in T20 Cricket
 
Babar, Rizwan and Fakhar won't be in their prime in the next ODI WC 2027. They are already regressing - 2.5 years beyond, they won't be much better. Pakistan should build team around Saim and Agha and find some new good batsman. Otherwise its going to be disaster in yet another ODI world cup.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Fined for supporting Ik

Game was well under control, show me a team who score >8 an over right from ball 1 chasing 340. The middle overs are crucial in terms of saving wickets and get into comfortable position by 35th overs. But then they did what they were supposed to do, to accelerate. But unfortunately we have picked two tail enders who can't even score 6 off 6, let alone scoring anything over 8 an over
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WRONG! most successful chase in history have teams going bang bang in front, then maintaining the run rate and then at max chasing 7.5 to 8 run per over at death.

It's very very rare to chase over 10 in last 20 and win, teams always lose wicket and crumble.
 
Quite a few positives from today’s game. Pakistan were clearly a bowler short and tail was too long. Bowling first was a brilliant decision by Riz. Good to see Rizbar in the runs. The weak 5th bowler meant that we conceded far too many runs.

Hope team management realises that Irfan Khan is kachra.
 
Hawkeye said:
@Bhaijaan Your slots are fine, just have to kick out Rizwan and it will be a good unit.

Adding Rizwan means another accumulator and we cannot afford that -- that too at 5th number!

My team:

1. Fakhar
2. Saim
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Agha/balanced player
6. Another hitter - maybe Hasan Nawaz
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Thanks bro.
Sorry for forgetting to tag you. I consider you an elite poster. Sometimes memory issues , hope you would understand. I’m taking pomegranate juice on a regular basis now.

I didn’t realize Fakhar is still in contention. I thought his honey issues meant he’s out of future plans. He’s a terrific white ball batter for Pakistan.
 
mango_bite77 said:
What risk Tayyab and Niazi took ? Please man, stop this nonsense, criticise when required, not just for the sake of it.

90 off 66, is not a pressure situation with 60mtr boundaries
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The absolute shamelessness of Rizbar fans to blame inexperienced newcomers. Even Sachin and kohli didn't succeed in their first tours.

All other team fans give new comers a longer rope and are patient with them and hold seniors accountable. It's only subcontinent fans who jump like vultures on newcomers and youngsters while worshipping seniors who keep failing.

These fans deserve their team to be at the bottom.
 
Mobashir said:
It's quite good
But with the lack of players we have in the country these days it will be hard to fill the gaps.
We will have to carry Fakhar to the world cup in SA so Babar can stay at 3.
1. Saim
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Salman
5. Haider Ali (no guarantee he will play well, but at least he can take singles and has the big hits also)
6. Rizwan
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I thought Fakhar bhai injury issues ruled him out of future contention. He’s a unique game changing batter in your country for white ball cricket and proven match winner against big teams in big tournaments.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Thanks bro.
Sorry for forgetting to tag you. I consider you an elite poster. Sometimes memory issues , hope you would understand. I’m taking pomegranate juice on a regular basis now.

I didn’t realize Fakhar is still in contention. I thought his honey issues meant he’s out of future plans. He’s a terrific white ball batter for Pakistan.
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Love you @Bhaijaan one of the top posters and obviously the greatest poster of all time of satire/sarcastic posts. :srini
 
Damn before I went to bed NZ were struggling at 65-3 in 18 overs, wirh ball doing a bit too much for an ODI. What happened here 🤣
 
deep82 said:
Babar, Rizwan and Fakhar won't be in their prime in the next ODI WC 2027. They are already regressing - 2.5 years beyond, they won't be much better. Pakistan should build team around Saim and Agha and find some new good batsman. Otherwise its going to be disaster in yet another ODI world cup.
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Babar(30 years old) won't be in his prime after 2.5 years but Salman(31 years old) will be after 2.5 years?

What?
 
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