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New Zealand beat India by 6 runs in the 2nd ODI

Well done to Kiwis! Top order is a mess Rahane cannot be part of ODI,Jadhav was decent though.
 
Pandya really struggles against pace bowling. He is a poor man's Robin Singh.

Time to drop Rahane from ODI side.

I wish Rahul was playing.

Without Ash, there is no stability in lower order in a low scoring game.
 
Whoever is dreaming that Pandya will be our missing All rounder are dreaming. This guy is a hack and a poor one at it.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Dhoni should just retire and leave the captaincy to kohli. He is not the same anymore.
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I say MSD should give up the captaincy and open the innings with Rohit. Would be able to play without much pressure.

India can have Kedar Jadhav as allrounder coming down the order. He seems to be a capable hitter and a decent bowler.

MSD is still the best keeper batsman in India.
 
This Pandey guy is a hack, I don't get the hype.

Looks a bonafide bits and pieces cricketer.
 
The King of Kings said:
i sense sarcasm

can you show me the record of Kohli in Tests outside Asia
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Averages 46.16 with the bat outside Asia.

62 in Aus
71 in NZ
68 in SA
13 in Eng
36 in WI

As captain, led us to 2-0 win in WI in tests.

In ODIs, Kohli averaged 47 outside Asia.

What your last post and this post proves is that you are making statements without any idea about the reality.

But still thank you for your input. It was well appreciated.
 
Belawal2014 said:
I rate Pandya's brother Krunal more than him. Btw, why were Jaddu and Ash not picked?
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Rested.

India needs them fresh for the upcoming England series and I agree with that. No point risking your ace cards over these JAMODI's.

JAMODI's should be for upcoming youngsters who are trying to prove themselves at international level.
 
India lost became they didn't played good cricket today.

Pretty soft dismissals and run outs to be fair.

Expecting better performance from them. Time for Rohit and Manish to get one significant knock on board in next game.
 
Well played both teams. Liked the fact that India fought back and came close to the win with the tailenders.
 
Going forward for this NZ ODI series, I would like to see the below team.

1)Rohit
2) MSD
3) Kohli
4) Pandey
5) Raina (if he is not fit, then Rahane)
6) Jadhav
7) Axar
8) Pandya (Wish we could play Pant or Sarfraz Khan and give them a taste of internaitonal cricket)
9) Yadav
10) Mishra
11) Bumrah
 
Pandya scored some troll runs today but for all the clamoring for these hard hitting all rounders like Pandya, Gurkerat and Dhawan none are really much cop from what I've seen. Also Ravi just shut the eff up man. ! Youre no longer team manager.
 
India played with full strength squad and lost. I am not a big fan of either Dhoni in current form or Pandya.

India is top heavy team and they should focus on successful teams of recent times, like England. England has Buttler at no. 6, and their no. 7 moien ali is pretty good. Woakes is a proper batsman.

India's tail is very weak. With all due respect, Ashwin as batsman doesn't have the skills in LOIs despite being quality in longer formats. Jadeja hasn't dont much justice with the bat. Dhoni's form is the biggest worry. He is starting to become a liability. Its really disheartening for me considering I was a big fan of Dhoni(after the haircut :shakib ) Fair to say India should focus on their lower middle order and bring in Pant and maybe Sarfaraz.

Anyways, it was a fighting performance from India, but congratulations to NZ, they deserved and needed this win badly.
 
Raina at 6 should help the cause.

I think Indian team shouldn't have dropped him in the first place. Yes, he was out of form but he is an experienced and a senior member in the team and with Dhoni's decline, the role should have been given to Raina to take the responsibility of lower middle order rather than showing him doar.

When the likes of Rohit and Rahane have got so many chance , why not Raina who is a very successful LOI player with 200 caps to his name.
 
Executioner said:
India played with full strength squad and lost. I am not a big fan of either Dhoni in current form or Pandya.

India is top heavy team and they should focus on successful teams of recent times, like England. England has Buttler at no. 6, and their no. 7 moien ali is pretty good. Woakes is a proper batsman.

India's tail is very weak. With all due respect, Ashwin as batsman doesn't have the skills in LOIs despite being quality in longer formats. Jadeja hasn't dont much justice with the bat. Dhoni's form is the biggest worry. He is starting to become a liability. Its really disheartening for me considering I was a big fan of Dhoni(after the haircut :shakib ) Fair to say India should focus on their lower middle order and bring in Pant and maybe Sarfaraz.

Anyways, it was a fighting performance from India, but congratulations to NZ, they deserved and needed this win badly.
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Ashwin, Jadeja and Shami are rested. Dhawan, Rahul, Bhuvi and Raina are injured. So hardly a full-strength squad.

Jadeja averages 32 with the bat in ODIs with 10 50s
 
Executioner said:
India played with full strength squad and lost. I am not a big fan of either Dhoni in current form or Pandya.

India is top heavy team and they should focus on successful teams of recent times, like England. England has Buttler at no. 6, and their no. 7 moien ali is pretty good. Woakes is a proper batsman.

India's tail is very weak. With all due respect, Ashwin as batsman doesn't have the skills in LOIs despite being quality in longer formats. Jadeja hasn't dont much justice with the bat. Dhoni's form is the biggest worry. He is starting to become a liability. Its really disheartening for me considering I was a big fan of Dhoni(after the haircut :shakib ) Fair to say India should focus on their lower middle order and bring in Pant and maybe Sarfaraz.

Anyways, it was a fighting performance from India, but congratulations to NZ, they deserved and needed this win badly.
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Eh? This is quite a depleted team. Our full strength team would look something like this:

Rohit
Rahul/Dhawan
Kohli
Pandey
Dhoni (c) (wk)
Raina
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shami
Bumrah
 
Since Dhoni is going to play the CT next year, this is the team they should play with:

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Manish
Dhoni
Raina( can bowl a bit)
Pandya/ Jadeja( depending on pitch)
Ashwin
Shami
Bhuvi/ Yadav
Bumrah

Not too sure of any young player coming in as you have to play a good fifth bowling option rather than a part-timer.
 
Ab Fan said:
Since Dhoni is going to play the CT next year, this is the team they should play with:

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Manish
Dhoni
Raina( can bowl a bit)
Pandya/ Jadeja( depending on pitch)
Ashwin
Shami
Bhuvi/ Yadav
Bumrah

Not too sure of any young player coming in as you have to play a good fifth bowling option rather than a part-timer.
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Don't think Dhoni will ever play an ODI anywhere without 2 spinners. Reckon Pandya will get dropped for Bhuvi in England.
 
street cricketer said:
Don't think Dhoni will ever play an ODI anywhere without 2 spinners.
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Henceforth, keeping Dhoni's decline in mind, it becomes more essential to have an experienced attacking clutch batsmen at no.6 and that has to be Raina only.

When Raina is there, you know the reqd. rate isn't a worry and Dhoni can afford to do a little bit more of tuk-tuk to take the score more closer.
 
rollingstoned said:
Pandya scored some troll runs today but for all the clamoring for these hard hitting all rounders like Pandya, Gurkerat and Dhawan none are really much cop from what I've seen. Also Ravi just shut the eff up man. ! Youre no longer team manager.
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Why what did Ravi say?
 
Ab Fan said:
Henceforth, keeping Dhoni's decline in mind, it becomes more essential to have an experienced attacking clutch batsmen at no.6 and that has to be Raina only.

When Raina is there, you know the reqd. rate isn't a worry and Dhoni can afford to do a little bit more of tuk-tuk to take the score more closer.
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When was the last time raina played a match winning inning for India? And don't we have a pool of 4-5 hard hitting finishers who were found through IPL? For how long we will have to depend on old timers like MSD and Raina? We need fresh blood straight from IPL. :inti
 
Congrats [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

hopefully you will be more positive in the rest of the series :)
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
When was the last time raina played a match winning inning for India? And don't we have a pool of 4-5 hard hitting finishers who were found through IPL? For how long we will have to depend on old timers like MSD and Raina? We need fresh blood straight from IPL. :inti
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Which 4-5 hard hitting finisher???

Raina has experience and deserves to be put ahead of them.

Won a t20 match in Australia early this year.

Anyways, which player has won any game for India in recent times apart from Kohli and Rohit?
 
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Raina deserved to be dropped and hasn't done anything in domestic to be called back up. He got chance in this series due to his bowling utility.

Let's try out different players in his role. If they can't do better than him, he should be recalled.
 
Ab Fan said:
Which 4-5 hard hitting finisher???

Raina has experience and deserves to be put ahead of them.

Won a t20 match in Australia early this year.

Anyways, which player has won any game for India in recent times apart from Kohli and Rohit?
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So what are we getting from IPL? :inti
 
I am surprised that people are writing off Pandya already. He has the basic skill set of becoming a good all rounder in ODIs.

He can bowl 10 overs. Can be a tad bit expensive, but hopefully he can add some variations and in the long run bowl 10 overs without conceding too many and picking up a lucky wicket or two in the middle.

He can hit the ball, and seems to have a brain and the never say attitude. He just needs to improve his technique slightly, and can fulfil the role of a hard hitting no.7 and finisher.

Most importantly, the kid seems to have the temperament and the fighting attitude which makes him so valuable.

Will he become the next Kapil Dev? No
Will he be a test all rounder? No

But if he can improve that little bit, he could take become a game changer for India in terms of the balance it would allow the Indian team. He will not become that player by champions trophy next year. But if he works on the small issues and gets the faith from the team management, come 2019 WC in England, he could make a huge difference for India.

As for his brother. I dont follow the IPL so I dont know how good he is. But India has always been blessed decent spin all rounders. Or batsmen who can ball a few of overs in LOIs, or spinners who can bat. Yuvraj, Sachin, Ashwin, Jadeja, Raina, Sehwag. Even Kumble and Harbhajan were no mugs with the bat and have won India matches due to their lower order batting. But finding a good medium pace all rounder has been next to impossible. Thats why, I believe Hardik Pandya should be persisted with.
 
troodon said:
I say MSD should give up the captaincy and open the innings with Rohit. Would be able to play without much pressure.

India can have Kedar Jadhav as allrounder coming down the order. He seems to be a capable hitter and a decent bowler.

MSD is still the best keeper batsman in India.
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Lolwut? Bad enough having a FTB like Rohit opening but now you want an over the hill Dhoni partnering him? Is this the same country that has had openers like Sachin, Gavasker and Ganguly?
 
anindo said:
Ashwin, Jadeja and Shami are rested. Dhawan, Rahul, Bhuvi and Raina are injured. So hardly a full-strength squad.

Jadeja averages 32 with the bat in ODIs with 10 50s
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out of which only 1 came in a match winning cause. Let's face it. Jadeja is purely a bowler who bumps up his average by selfishly bunting the ball for singles when he needs to improve the run rate for India. I rather have Axar, Mishra, Pathan as my fifth bowler, arleasr they don't play for themselves.
 
The King of Kings said:
Kohli can only lead india to victory in india only
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How can you say that when Kohli never got enough opportunities (to lead Indian side aboard in ODIs and T20s)? He did well whenever he got chance as a stand in captain. It's high time, Dhoni should hang up his boots and retire gracefully.
 
India is behind the likes of England, Australia and even South Africa in ODIs.
 
India are still a top 3 ODI side in the world. Why the double standards?

Pakistan is on some meteoric rise according to few folks with "who will stop our hot LOI streak" after beating a weak WI team in few games and 1 random t20 vs England, discounting 4 years of poor performances.

But the actual team that goes toe to toe with big ODI teams is now in decline and/or bad all of a sudden.

:srt
 
India's batting unit in ODIs is like Pakistan's (except better quality). They are both structured the same way.

Beastly top orders that usually score, but bad lower order that cannot hit big like England/Aus/South Africa. Obviously India's top order is much better than Pakistan's, hence their lower order is not exposed as much as ours is.
 
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