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New Zealand defeat Pakistan by 61 runs (D/L method) to win 1st ODI

Wow...just...wow

Easy to say that from behind your screen on your keyboard.

You don't have to agree with me. But I know where I come from when I say this. The kid has a lot to learn when it comes to leading his side as the main batsman. He can't shift gears and give you a big hundred after getting in. Never expect him to actually hit a 70 ball ton either, he won't try
 
You don't have to agree with me. But I know where I come from when I say this. The kid has a lot to learn when it comes to leading his side as the main batsman. He can't shift gears and give you a big hundred after getting in. Never expect him to actually hit a 70 ball ton either, he won't try

But he's arguably the best batsman in Pakistan. No way one should even consider dropping him.

You do realize he is ranked #4 right?
 
Pakistan needs someone like ferguson in their pace lineup to complete the bowling attack for any condition. Wahab was picked for that role but he didnt perform well enough.

In that way hassan and amir can open the bowling and he can come 1st change. But, question is who is he?
 
I will be happy if we get to 260....hooray we tried but it was not our day
 
Ashwin and Jadeja also felt like a target audience on that day :))

Sure and probably didn't dwell on that much because being the No.1 and No.2 bowler in the world requires to shake it off and deliver in day in and day out regardless of such odd accidents....that is what real champions do...not dwell on a rare off-day
 
Pakistan needs someone like ferguson in their pace lineup to complete the bowling attack for any condition. Wahab was picked for that role but he didnt perform well enough.

In that way hassan and amir can open the bowling and he can come 1st change. But, question is who is he?

Bhai these are our only bowlers. Everybody else in domestics is either washed up or too raw. Unfortunate reality.
 
Pakistan needs someone like ferguson in their pace lineup to complete the bowling attack for any condition. Wahab was picked for that role but he didnt perform well enough.

In that way hassan and amir can open the bowling and he can come 1st change. But, question is who is he?

Ahmed Jamal in domestics bowls around 145+ clicks and he is the second highest wicket taker in the ongoing ODI domestic cup. However, every time I have personally seen him bowl he has always been on the receiving end of a phainti.
 
But he's arguably the best batsman in Pakistan. No way one should even consider dropping him.

You do realize he is ranked #4 right?

Look dude he is the best batsman, his records and performances speak for themselves but we all know very well this guy is not in the same league as the fantastic 4 by any stretch of the imagination..

Kohli
Smith
Williamson
Root
De villiers
Amla
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Babar

Don't go by ICC rankings. He is good, but nope he is not in that league
 
Hey atleast we have moved on from the Afridi innings and the Kamran Akmal knock....I wonder in the long run who suffered more because of that :)) 2017 June is relatively recent...so it makes sense
 
Look dude he is the best batsman, his records and performances speak for themselves but we all know very well this guy is not in the same league as the fantastic 4 by any stretch of the imagination..

Kohli
Smith
Williamson
Root
De villiers
Amla
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The Atlantic Ocean
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Babar

Don't go by ICC rankings. He is good, but nope he is not in that league

Keep on saying that. He'll shut every critic of his up soon enough.
 
Our Domestic circuit has 30 bowlers that averaged below 22 in the Qaid e Azam cup...

Surely we have someone who bowls 150kmh
 
Ahmed Jamal in domestics bowls around 145+ clicks and he is the second highest wicket taker in the ongoing ODI domestic cup. However, every time I have personally seen him bowl he has always been on the receiving end of a phainti.

Yes and it comes to captain and management, how they use such bowlers as they cant be really economical, that is for sure.
 
Look dude he is the best batsman, his records and performances speak for themselves but we all know very well this guy is not in the same league as the fantastic 4 by any stretch of the imagination..

Kohli
Smith
Williamson
Root
De villiers
Amla
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The Atlantic Ocean
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Babar

Don't go by ICC rankings. He is good, but nope he is not in that league
So just because he's not in that league means he should be dropped?
 
Yaar Shadab is such a proper batsman. He can replace Hafeez or Malik as a middle order bat
 
Our Domestic circuit has 30 bowlers that averaged below 22 in the Qaid e Azam cup...

Surely we have someone who bowls 150kmh

There are few around 145, may be even 150. But you can always add those extra yards if someone is around 145.

Shinwari bowled really quick against Srl, regularly touched 145 kph.
 
Well what do you know. When the real batsmen come out to play they can also smack the pacers.
 
Shadab should be a promoted. Such a mature batsman at such a young age. I've seen him play responsible innings in domestic cricket too. So much potential as an all rounder
 
So just because he's not in that league means he should be dropped?

I didn't say he should be dropped. I just said I want this kid to want to be The Man. Umar Akmal sucks, but at least he has that mentality that he wants to be the guy for the team. He wants to play that big knock for the team...it's just unfortunate that he sucks. For me, Babar exposed himself when he once said malik and Hafeez were hitting it well so I didn't need to hit the ball...when he scored a hundred off 120 balls against Sri lanka
 
At one point FZ was batting at 50 SR... he has surely caught up
 
Shadab should be a promoted. Such a mature batsman at such a young age. I've seen him play responsible innings in domestic cricket too. So much potential as an all rounder

plays better than malik hafeez
 
Shadab should be a promoted. Such a mature batsman at such a young age. I've seen him play responsible innings in domestic cricket too. So much potential as an all rounder

But question is do we need his bowling more than his batting? Bcz at this age he should concentrate on one.
 
Agreed with some posters. I know a couple of first class Pakistani cricketers in the club scene. They all rate Shadab as a batsman and say he can be the next Hafeez/ malik for Pakistan
 
I didn't say he should be dropped. I just said I want this kid to want to be The Man. Umar Akmal sucks, but at least he has that mentality that he wants to be the guy for the team. He wants to play that big knock for the team...it's just unfortunate that he sucks. For me, Babar exposed himself when he once said malik and Hafeez were hitting it well so I didn't need to hit the ball...when he scored a hundred off 120 balls against Sri lanka
Not to put words in your mouth but you did say that Fahim Fakhar Amir Hasan and Shadab are the only ones to survive.
 
Ok time to head to bed... good resistance from FZ and SK
 
Not to put words in your mouth but you did say that Fahim Fakhar Amir Hasan and Shadab are the only ones to survive.

They are the only players that are up there with modern cricket that's for sure
 
This match resembles a lot like the first match vs Ind in Champions Trophy. Hopefully, we will win the series and make a strong come back. I have full trust in Sarfraz.
 
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