New Zealand Invitation XI v Pakistanis | Tour Match | Queenstown | Nov 18-20

[Afridi_Fan]

Damn Kaneria has equalled Tendulkar's record of centuries!

No One can match DK's legendary status

 

[Random Aussie]

Now the real fun begins....

 

[akafen]

kaneria gives away 100 runs when the opposition only scored 234. Why Abdul Rehman is not picked ahead of him is beyond me.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Come on Mr Son-in-Law.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Hold your breath, we are batting.

 

[JeeraBlade]

Come on Mr Son-in-Law.

You really want him to score and then get selected for the starting XI for 1st test?

 

[faizpak]

come on PAKISTAN

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Farhat

 

[amjad_ali]

Honestly, i think Imran Farhat is one of the better openers Pakistan has right now so I am supporting him! Cmon Champ! Get a good knock today!

 

[faizpak]

Four imran farhat

 

[Afridi_Fan]

You really want him to score and then selected for the starting XI for 1st test?

Its an embarrassment, but yes I want him in.

 

[JeeraBlade]

Its an embarrassment, but yes I want him in.

Why embarrassment? My first choice is Imran Nazir, 2nd Shehzad and third Farhat. Shehzad and Imran are not with the team so.. Farhat becomes my 1st choice.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Why embarrassment? My first choice is Imran Nazir, 2nd Shehzad and third Farhat. Shehzad and Imran are not with the team so.. Farhat becomes my 1st choice.

Just because of his Father-in-Law. Although I believe he can be one of our long term test openers If somehow he stops hooking and pulling at every short pitched delivery.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Pakistan 8/0

 

[JeeraBlade]

Just because of his Father-in-Law.

I strongly feel this is just a rumor. This is the same Mohammad Ilyas who was banned from Qaddafi Stadium from throwing a fit in front of some PCB officials (selectors?) when Imran was dropped (or not selected).

Although I believe he can be one of our long term test openers If somehow he stops hooking and pulling at every short pitched delivery.

He would have been our long term solution if selectors did not play musical chair with all the openers.

He is the 2nd highest run scorer as an opener since 1/1/2000;
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...al1=span;team=7;template=results;type=batting

 

[farsiddiqui]

Khurrum Gone!

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Manzoor gone.

 

[Lahoria]

Imran Farhat may have an influential relative in PCB but he is very talented and at one time was the brightest prospect in domestic cricket.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Fawad new No 3?

 

[iZeeshan]

Wasn't he just the top scorer in QEA?!

 

[JeeraBlade]

Now comes the best batsman in the team.

Come on Fawaad --- need a 100. I am sure you'll do it.

 

[JeeraBlade]

Wasn't he just the top scorer in QEA?!

Yes --- 2nd highest. Post #1 in following thread.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=85907

 

[Disco_Lemonade]

hain? how did they put on 13 for the 1st wicket?

 

[Afridi_Fan]

hain? how did they put on 13 for the 1st wicket?

Remember is not opening.

 

[JeeraBlade]

hain? how did they put on 13 for the 1st wicket?

Hold your excitement till Mr. Butt opens.

 

[haroonrasheed320]

consistency will be the key & Fawad has it

 

[kamranO]

where are u people seeing the live score

 

[JeeraBlade]

where are u people seeing the live score

http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/livescoring/match634/scorecard.aspx

 

[Afridi_Fan]

where are u people seeing the live score

Sadly you are little late.

 

[Disco_Lemonade]

where are u people seeing the live score

we are in new zealand..

 

[Afridi_Fan]

we are in new zealand..

In Queenstown right now, reporting for PP.

 

[Disco_Lemonade]

i can see salman butt revising his grammar lessons for today..

Present Tense, Past Tense,...... after a while... what non sense.

 

[Poison]

End of the Day.

 

[Sheikh]

Wow, this timing is terrible. Wake up at 9 am and will still barely catch half a session or so.

 

[Sheikh]

Well, a bit of a selection dilemma then, with Rauf and Arafat amongst the wickets. That's only a good thing though, as competition is always healthy. Surprised that Gul and/or Aamer didn't get a game, as this is the only chance they'll get to have a feel for the conditions. But then again, I don;t expect much common sense from our management.

The same applies to Malik, and it's even more important that batsmen get a feel. Does that mean Bhanja will be preferred? As mediocre as I think Malik is, Bhanja is just terrible, so that would be another ridiculous decision.

Looks like Farhat will get the nod. Sigh.

I really hope Danish won't play, only he could give up a 100 when we bowl them out for 230-odd.

 

[Ryankhan]

rauf looked to be the best among other bowlers. grabbed 4 wickets. so his height must be the factor here and his medium pace. so i think it will be tough to see who sits out cuz all bowlers are great and we cant have all the bowlers in the team aswell. looking at GUL current form, he may have to sit out. i think PAK will go with this bowling
Amir
Asif
Rauf
Ajmal
Kaneria

since its a bowling pitch so we do need a strong bowling attack and spin is their weakness so why not utilise it.

surprise to see kamran also rested but he always gets the selection becoz of his great btting n avg keeping. so kamran all the way. good to see farhat got the chance so hope he plays to his potential and makes his place in the 11

 

[Random Aussie]

rauf looked to be the best among other bowlers. grabbed 4 wickets. so his height must be the factor here and his medium pace. so i think it will be tough to see who sits out cuz all bowlers are great and we cant have all the bowlers in the team aswell. looking at GUL current form, he may have to sit out. i think PAK will go with this bowling
Amir
Asif
Rauf
Ajmal
Kaneria

since its a bowling pitch so we do need a strong bowling attack and spin is their weakness so why not utilise it.

surprise to see kamran also rested but he always gets the selection becoz of his great btting n avg keeping. so kamran all the way. good to see farhat got the chance so hope he plays to his potential and makes his place in the 11

I never understand this idea of playing 5 genuine bowlers. Pakistan have such good bowlers you don't need 5. If 4 Pakistan bowlers can't get them out then no use having the 5th.

Also fail to understand why every single batsman who is playing in the Test is not playing this game. Then again maybe they are, good old PCB.

 

[taaveez]

since its a bowling pitch so we do need a strong bowling attack

Huh?

 

[kamranO]

End of the Day.

Please Update the score

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

End Of Day: PAKISTAN - 14/1 in 9.0 overs (Imran Farhat 10, Fawad Alam 0)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Some intresting selections for this match.

Looks like Manzoor could miss out in 1st test with Butt/Farhat opening.

Fawad at 3, i could see him playing here in test matches.

Also Rauf has put a stake in for a place, i guess him, Asif, Aamer and Gul are fighting for 3 spots which is good competition.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Some intresting selections for this match.

Looks like Manzoor could miss out in 1st test with Butt/Farhat opening.

Fawad at 3, i could see him playing here in test matches.

Also Rauf has put a stake in for a place, i guess him, Asif, Aamer and Gul are fighting for 3 spots which is good competition.

Imran Farhat/Salman Butt in the tests means we start each test match effectively 0-2....on seaming conditions they both have not the intelligence and footwork to deal with the minefields in NZ

The bowling riches is great and I would put Rauf ahead of Gul and have him, Aamer and Asif as the main strike bowlers with Ajmal and Arafat...

Batting is where this series will be won or lost and already Pakistan are handicapped in this area with its selections

 

[haroonrasheed320]

Imran Farhat/Salman Butt in the tests means we start each test match effectively 0-2....on seaming conditions they both have not the intelligence and footwork to deal with the minefields in NZ

The bowling riches is great and I would put Rauf ahead of Gul and have him, Aamer and Asif as the main strike bowlers with Ajmal and Arafat...

Batting is where this series will be won or lost and already Pakistan are handicapped in this area with its selections

are you serious, you want to bring in Arafat instead of the experienced Razzaq, and rest our best bowler Gul for Rauf, I would play Ajmal, Gul, Rauf, Aamer and Razzaq because we will need a batting all rounder in New Zealand

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

are you serious, you want to bring in Arafat instead of the experienced Razzaq, and rest our best bowler Gul for Rauf, I would play Ajmal, Gul, Rauf, Aamer and Razzaq because we will need a batting all rounder in New Zealand

Have you seen Razzaq's performance in tests? Arafat has county experience and will be atuned to the pitches in NZ and a bonus is his batting as well..

Look at the last time Gul performed or actually won a test match for Pakistan? Maybe 2004 against India and one innings against Sri Lanka when he got the ball to reverse swing...

Why not be bold in selection and choose these two, it will bring something different to the team but, I get a feeling none of this will happen

 

[Sheikh]

Look at the last time Gul performed or actually won a test match for Pakistan? Maybe 2004 against India and one innings against Sri Lanka when he got the ball to reverse swing...

Gul was our best bowler against the Windies in 06 when he made Lara look quite silly. I remember him breaking Sarwans toe in that series, and it was on dead wickets. Since then, he's played, what, 6 tests in 3 years?

Give him (and the rest of our bowlers) a chance to at least get back in the groove of playing test match cricket.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Gul was our best bowler against the Windies in 06 when he made Lara look quite silly. I remember him breaking Sarwans toe in that series, and it was on dead wickets. Since then, he's played, what, 6 tests in 3 years?

Give him (and the rest of our bowlers) a chance to at least get back in the groove of playing test match cricket.

Gul is way low on confidence at the moment, why not be imaginative and play Rauf (who performed well in this warmup)

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Imran Farhat/Salman Butt in the tests means we start each test match effectively 0-2....on seaming conditions they both have not the intelligence and footwork to deal with the minefields in NZ

The bowling riches is great and I would put Rauf ahead of Gul and have him, Aamer and Asif as the main strike bowlers with Ajmal and Arafat...

Batting is where this series will be won or lost and already Pakistan are handicapped in this area with its selections

With whom will you open then?

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

With whom will you open then?

Khurram Manzoor and Fawad Alam

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Khurram Manzoor and Fawad Alam

And if Fawad fails and gets a boot from test side for that, will it be fine? Same applies to Manzoor.

 

[Sheikh]

Gul is way low on confidence at the moment, why not be imaginative and play Rauf (who performed well in this warmup)

That's fair enough and would be a judgment call.

Dropping Gul, however, would only further dent his confidence. Personally I think he'd flourish without having the burden of being the spearhead. I say play him, if he doesn't impress then by all means give someone else a go. But give Gully a chance.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

And if Fawad fails and gets a boot from test side for that, will it be fine? Same applies to Manzoor.

Fawad/Manzoor are far less risky than Butt/Farhat in the opening position

All four have flawed techniques but, who from these is likely to give us a solid start in the opening position?

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Fawad/Manzoor are far less risky than Butt/Farhat in the opening position

All four have flawed techniques but, who from these is likely to give us a solid start in the opening position?

I'll put my neck on line and say Farhat has to open, alongside any of Butt and Manzoor.

I'm just not willing to risk the career of Fawad by sending him as an opener in New Zealand for sure.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

I'll put my neck on line and say Farhat has to open, alongside any of Butt and Manzoor.

I'm just not willing to risk the career of Fawad by sending him as an opener in New Zealand for sure.

Farhat with Butt or Manzoor means especially in those conditions they will suffer horrendously....

All get bogged down easily under pressure and with Fawad at the top of the innings, could also accomodate another batsman or bowler lower down the order

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Farhat with Butt or Manzoor means especially in those conditions they will suffer horrendously....

All get bogged down easily under pressure and with Fawad at the top of the innings, could also accomodate another batsman or bowler lower down the order

Hate it or like it, Farhat is the best bet among the openers we have on this tour, as far as Fawad goes as I said earlier I am not ready to put his career on the line by making him open in New Zealand. Opening in Sri Lanka is totally different from opening in New Zealand.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Hate it or like it, Farhat is the best bet among the openers we have on this tour, as far as Fawad goes as I said earlier I am not ready to put his career on the line by making him open in New Zealand. Opening in Sri Lanka is totally different from opening in New Zealand.

I for one cannot think of one substantial innings played by Farhat in test matches

He is there simply by default

For arguments sake he does play along with Salman Butt, it leaves a weak batting order

 

[rhussain33]

I dont agree with playing Malik and Kamran in the XI, they lost Pak the 3rd ODI with horrendous shots that you wouldnt dream of doing in that situation unless you got your eye in good and proper, i believe they done it on purpose, they should be punished and left out !

 

[Afridi_Fan]

I dont agree with playing Malik and Kamran in the XI, they lost Pak the 3rd ODI with horrendous shots that you wouldnt dream of doing in that situation unless you got your eye in good and proper, i believe they done it on purpose, they should be punished and left out !

Then you want to play Bhanja?

Na Na a big No from me.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Then you want to play Bhanja?

Na Na a big No from me.

Just shows how poor the selection was for this test series, at least 4 no-marks have the potential to play e.g.

Imran Farhat
Salman Butt
Faisal Iqbal
Shoaib Malik

 

[AZ]

Just shows how poor the selection was for this test series, at least 4 no-marks have the potential to play e.g.

Imran Farhat
Salman Butt
Faisal Iqbal
Shoaib Malik

you're making it sound like we left a Sachin or Viv Richards back home...it is an already youngish squad, and YK's absence has left us clamouring for a proper 1 down batsman

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

you're making it sound like we left a Sachin or Viv Richards back home...it is an already youngish squad, and YK's absence has left us clamouring for a proper 1 down batsman

Forget Younis Khan here but, in a squad of what 15-16 (4 players really do not deserve to be there) and although the idea is good of choosing specialist openers but, choosing tried and tested openers who have failed regularly, defeats the purpose of this exercise

 

[AZ]

other than Azhar Ali there isn't any opener option that Pakistan have not tried recently...it will still be one of the other guys that are already in the squad

 

[Apnacricket]

we need a few centuries from our batsmen..

 

[rhussain33]

1. Butt
2. Farhat
3. Fawad
4. Yousef
5. U.Akmal
6. Safraz
7. Aamir
8. Rauf
9. Kaneria
10. Asif
11. Ajmal / Gul depending on need for seam or spin based on pitch.

 

[Apnacricket]

kamran akmal in place of sarfraz..

 

[Serendipity]

Sarafaraz need a to be givena fair chance now

 

[Inswinger]

Sarafaraz need a to be givena fair chance now

Kamran has been good with the gloves for the past few months.

 

[Amir]

Kamran has been good with the gloves for the past few months.

Still an over-rated batsmen due to his T20 exploits. He plays one big innings and goes missing in the rest.

you're making it sound like we left a Sachin or Viv Richards back home...it is an already youngish squad, and YK's absence has left us clamouring for a proper 1 down batsman

That is the problem. 3 of those 4 are not proper batsmen, espicially the two in the middle order. Butt I think could at least be a decent test opener, but thats it.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Still an over-rated batsmen due to his T20 exploits. He plays one big innings and goes missing in the rest.



That is the problem. 3 of those 4 are not proper batsmen, espicially the two in the middle order. Butt I think could at least be a decent test opener, but thats it.

Well at least he will feel pressure during this tour e.g. knowing that he has a replacement in the wings but, on the flip side can a vice-captain be dropped from the Pakistan team?

The deep hole left by Younis Khan will be felt from these lightweights and chances are they will wilt under pressure

 

[Amir]

Well at least he will feel pressure during this tour e.g. knowing that he has a replacement in the wings but, on the flip side can a vice-captain be dropped from the Pakistan team?

The deep hole left by Younis Khan will be felt from these lightweights and chances are they will wilt under pressure

PCB are dumb. Trust me, this is what is going to happen barring Kamran doesn't get injured...

Kamran will play all three tests, drops or no drops. With YK gone, no one has the balls to drop Kamran for whatever reason. Was the case when Inzi and Malik captain.

Aussie tour, they sent Safraz back home. They figured Kamran just lasted a whole tour, so why do they need Safraz?

They always do this type of rubbish. I remember they once brought in Arafat for competition against Razzaq. Razzaq said he felt pressure, Arafat was duyl sent him after the 2nd match! PCB don't understand what competing for places means...once they are in a comfort zone, they stick with it. They are not like Australia and willing to make the hard decisions. Much like many of our fans who cry for Imran Nazir's 20 runs at top. Comfort zone.

 

[Inswinger]

PCB are dumb. Trust me, this is what is going to happen barring Kamran doesn't get injured...

Kamran will play all three tests, drops or no drops. With YK gone, no one has the balls to drop Kamran for whatever reason. Was the case when Inzi and Malik captain.

How many matches did Sarfraz play under Younis Khan's captaincy?

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

PCB are dumb. Trust me, this is what is going to happen barring Kamran doesn't get injured...

Kamran will play all three tests, drops or no drops. With YK gone, no one has the balls to drop Kamran for whatever reason. Was the case when Inzi and Malik captain.

Aussie tour, they sent Safraz back home. They figured Kamran just lasted a whole tour, so why do they need Safraz?

They always do this type of rubbish. I remember they once brought in Arafat for competition against Razzaq. Razzaq said he felt pressure, Arafat was duyl sent him after the 2nd match! PCB don't understand what competing for places means...once they are in a comfort zone, they stick with it. They are not like Australia and willing to make the hard decisions. Much like many of our fans who cry for Imran Nazir's 20 runs at top. Comfort zone.

Add to that the job security aspect, no-one in the team (including the captain) is certain of what or where they will play in the team and the muddled thinking is often reflected in the muddled shots on the ground..

Pakistan cricket for once seems as though it has excellent competition for places in all areas but, once these 'seniors' get out of this mentality and give others a chance, there is no chance for progression ever for Pakistan cricket.

 

[*sallu*]

Looks like Rauf might end up playing. The only person he can really replace is Gul because Aamer and Asif have to play

 

[pun500]

i say drop kaneria and pick ajmal ... playing 5 bowlers is suicide.

considering ajmal, kaneria ,asif , aamer , gul/rauf/... cant bat . Add to that incompetent openers and you have a disaster

Also apart from openers which spots are up for grabs. and why arent the proper bats/bowlers getting vital match practice considering this is the only tour game.
no aamer or ajmal (they need to get overs to undestand lengths to bowl in nz) . why is malik not playing? (he should be a sure pick) . no kamran akmal either (i am sure he would play)

 

[*sallu*]

i say drop kaneria and pick ajmal ... playing 5 bowlers is suicide.

considering ajmal, kaneria ,asif , aamer , gul/rauf/... cant bat . Add to that incompetent openers and you have a disaster

Also apart from openers which spots are up for grabs. and why arent the proper bats/bowlers getting vital match practice considering this is the only tour game.
no aamer or ajmal (they need to get overs to undestand lengths to bowl in nz) . why is malik not playing? (he should be a sure pick) . no kamran akmal either (i am sure he would play)

There is no way they would prefer Kaneria over Ajmal (and rightly so)
I think we will go in 4 bowlers. Infact, I'm sure.
Aamer, Asif and Ajmal are confirmed spots and Gul and Rauf will fight for the last one

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Kaneria is over-rated. He surprised me today by getting 2 wickets for 20 odd runs when i started to follow the game, but he never fails. His end figures were 2/102.

 

[saj001]

Lol at danish

 

[Apnacricket]

i think abdur rauf will play

 

[hashmist]

Yousuf is a defensive minded captain. Aint no way he'll play 5 regular bowlers. He'll try to be safe and play 6 batsmen instead. But if he proves me wrong and plays 5 bowlers I'll be impressed.

Butt
Farhat
Alam
Yousuf
U Akmal
K Akmal
Razzler
Aamir
Gul
Asif
Ajmal

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Yousuf is a defensive minded captain. Aint no way he'll play 5 regular bowlers. He'll try to be safe and play 6 batsmen instead. But if he proves me wrong and plays 5 bowlers I'll be impressed.

Butt
Farhat
Alam
Yousuf
U Akmal
K Akmal
Razzler
Aamir
Gul
Asif
Ajmal

Its not about It depends on teams strengths and stability, and I don't think we have enough confidence in our batting at the moment. So I will be very surprise if any captain will go for 5 specialist bowlers. Just don't start shooting for that.

 

[Apnacricket]

abdur rauf deserves a chance...