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New Zealand v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Hamilton | Nov 25-29, 2016 | Day 2

Hadi Rizvi said:
Yeah and that's exactly why DROPPED CATCHES MATTER and even more so when they are dropped off the best opposition batsman
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No its just bashing others for the sake of Amir is what gets me... So when I return bash Amir it just becomes blasphemy...
 
waleed88 said:
Yeaaaa but he's not pacy yaaar, he's a trundler, he's like Anwar Ali according to [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

He's not good looking either like the legend
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I think he is definitely better than Anwar Ali.

Also Pak haven't lost in any of the matches he has played, lets see if that changes here.
 
aloo paratha said:
Double standards everywhere bro, we can keep Rahat for his 2 "jaffas" every innings and drop a guy who;s actually performing. Most of the hate for Imran is from people who have no patience.
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You seriously think there is no difference between five years and five months lack of match practice.

In fact, Amir couldn't even practice in the nets whereas Imran could.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Listen to this guy. Criticizes Amir for not generating swing (when he has comfortably moved the ball around more than Imran) yet he praises Imran who hasn't moved the ball an inch for picking up the wicket of a guy who was dropped twice off Amir.
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Imran was just lucky to get Raval... only Amir is the one who genuinely gets a wicket, he means every ball he bowls :)
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
You seriously think there is no difference between five years and five months lack of match practice.

In fact, Amir couldn't even practice in the nets whereas Imran could.
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Yaaaar Amir's spell against England in 2010.. that's enough to get him in the side for next 10 years
 
That ball from Imran Khan moved more than Amir has moved in his entire career since his comeback [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION]
 
waleed88 said:
Imran was just lucky to get Raval... only Amir is the one who genuinely gets a wicket, he means every ball he bowls :)
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Yar if you've seen both bowl.. you can easily tell Imran is a rubbish bowler.
 
On_the_up said:
I think he is definitely better than Anwar Ali.

Also Pak haven't lost in any of the matches he has played, lets see if that changes here.
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This was sarcasm brother, that was [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] just comparing Imran to Anwar ali, a few overs ago when Imran was God's punishment to Pakistan cricket
 
Woke up at 7 am on a workless Saturday......

Ah !! The things we do for Cricket ......,,
 
aliasad1998 said:
Listen to this guy. Criticizes Amir for not generating swing (when he has comfortably moved the ball around more than Imran) yet he praises Imran who hasn't moved the ball an inch for picking up the wicket of a guy who was dropped twice off Amir.
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TBH After the wicket i did see Imran moving the ball esp to the right hander. It is Wahab who is as usual, short and gun barrel straight.

p.s. Your signature - That's from Goodfellas isn't it?
 
waleed88 said:
Yaaaar Amir's spell against England in 2010.. that's enough to get him in the side for next 10 years
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u guys must be kidding me if you're telling me Amir didn't practice in the nets. He had to be practicing private nets. Oh btw, what's your obsession with amir? IK jr is what Peter Siddle was to Australia and Amir is what Ryan Harris was to Australia. You need both of them in the team, not just one.
 
waleed88 said:
Yeaaaa but he's not pacy yaaar, he's a trundler, he's like Anwar Ali according to [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

He's not good looking either like the legend
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You missed again - if, PAK is to go with 4 bowler strategy & Imran to bowl length-line staff slanting across the left-hander at 125KM for "Good economy", then it's better to go with a 4th seemer with similar skills but far, far better batting & fielding skills.

Imran can't do his UAE staff here, in a 4 pacer strategy, on a green top. This wicket won't give PAK the luxury of holding one end & strike from other for a total under 350. What Imran bowled yesterday was club level staff - though his economy might have fooled you. Anwar Ali can do the same, with adding 35 with bat & saving 15 in field.
 
Please can someone tell me why is Rahat not playing this test? Is he injured?
 
waleed88 said:
Yaaaar Amir's spell against England in 2010.. that's enough to get him in the side for next 10 years
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You know what, I'm done arguing. You're an Amir hater. Just admit it and don't waste people's time. [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] was right after all.
 
Finally some intelligent bowling from Wahab, lured Nichols into a drive on a fuller ball with pace.
 
MMHS said:
You missed again - if, PAK is to go with 4 bowler strategy & Imran to bowl length-line staff slanting across the left-hander at 125KM for "Good economy", then it's better to go with a 4th seemer with similar skills but far, far better batting & fielding skills.

Imran can't do his UAE staff here, in a 4 pacer strategy, on a green top. This wicket won't give PAK the luxury of holding one end & strike from other for a total under 350. What Imran bowled yesterday was club level staff - though his economy might have fooled you. Anwar Ali can do the same, with adding 35 with bat & saving 15 in field.
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He's swinging it miles man, you've seen Anwar Ali swing it at all? He bowls scrambled seam in the second over coz he can't manage new ball swing... don't kid yourself bro seriously..
 
Great to see all of our fast bowlers picking up a wicket. Much better line and length from them today.
 
badsha001 said:
u guys must be kidding me if you're telling me Amir didn't practice in the nets. He had to be practicing private nets. Oh btw, what's your obsession with amir? IK jr is what Peter Siddle was to Australia and Amir is what Ryan Harris was to Australia. You need both of them in the team, not just one.
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I have no issues with Amir, I feel Amir is not as good as made out to be, I feel he is on par with our other faster bowlers.. others get insulted when I say Amir is not that great..
 
waleed88 said:
He's swinging it miles man, you've seen Anwar Ali swing it at all? He bowls scrambled seam in the second over coz he can't manage new ball swing... don't kid yourself bro seriously..
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He's not swinging it miles, he's seaming it. There's a difference.
 
I thought this yesterday and is being confirmed now that rain coming yesterday was a blessing for Pakistan, they bowled utter tripe, especially to Taylor who could have taken the game completely away from them.

119-5 looks pretty good, and a proper spell by one of the quartet could knock NZ out for under 180.
 
Just don't let them score more than 200 and then score 300 somehow take lead of 100 atleast then get them again in 250 max and than chase down 150 max in 4th inning, and we can win it in 4 days itself if no more rain,
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] i fully agree but what you said that is a long term solution, but for now put it this way that we can do with atleast lesser bad option in sami and sharjeel comparison, don't you agree with this? What you make of sami? Is he worth it for his batting alone?
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I think, before ENG tour, I had a "long" post on PAK's slip cordon option, where I had some explanation - Sami is NEVER a 1st Slip material. There are 2 critical Slip positions - 1st & 2nd. 2nd slip is most dynamic as you need to catch & dive both sides, sometimes in-front & the edges are often double paced - if batsmen takes bottom hand out, often ball doesn't reach slip; but hard slashes fly at twice pace. For that, best ever slippers are 2nd slip specialists - Mark, Azhar, Simpson, Chappells, Roop, Botham, Hooper ... 1st Slip is for the bucket hands - not much movement, but very safe, large cups who won't drop regulations. You don't need much reflex, neither mobility, but your conversion has to be very good. Some of the best 1st slippers are flat-footed, not much movements, but huge corpse - Fleming, Lloyd, Inzi, Smith (Graeme), Mahela, Tubby, Rahul, Lara, Big Mac - guys with bucket like cups & very good concentration.

Sami, with his cup size will never be a good 1st slipper. Sharjeel can be one very good 1st slipper, but one should invest regular players for 1st & 2nd slip, gully & forward short leg - these 4 are vital in winning Tests. If, I were in charge, I would have made Sami a short leg specialist & Asad or Azhar as 1st slip with Babar long-term 2nd slip. Instead of putting at point, I'll make Yasir a 3rd slip or gully fielder. In Test, you don't put your beast of burden bowler at spots where he'll have to run lot & dive around.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
You seriously think there is no difference between five years and five months lack of match practice.

In fact, Amir couldn't even practice in the nets whereas Imran could.
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First off I never said Amir. Second, is there no difference between 10 tests and 10 overs?? Imran has been the most economical and he's had a few close calls, and a wicket, yet everyone is making it seem as he's bowling trash.
 
waleed88 said:
He's swinging it miles man, you've seen Anwar Ali swing it at all? He bowls scrambled seam in the second over coz he can't manage new ball swing... don't kid yourself bro seriously..
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You are exposing your age :) Anwar Ali was the biggest swinger of the ball, just about 7 years back - don't know who (God or Lucifer) changed his action, he has lost it. Imran is pitching it up & swinging it, but he bowled rubbish yesterday. That angle staff Anwar can do better.

At least, thanks that you understood the reason why Anwar was suggested as 4th seemer. :)
 
Khan12 said:
They had a coward captain in Misbah and now we got azhar who is from the same school of thought.
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It just gets worse doesn't it? :))

It was probably the most spineless display of batting I've ever seen in my 20+ years watching.
 
MMHS said:
You are exposing your age :) Anwar Ali was the biggest swinger of the ball, just about 7 years back - don't know who (God or Lucifer) changed his action, he has lost it. Imran is pitching it up & swinging it, but he bowled rubbish yesterday. That angle staff Anwar can do better.

At least, thanks that you understood the reason why Anwar was suggested as 4th seemer. :)
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I like to stay in the present thankfully, in the current set up, Anwar Ali is not required, if you've seen whichever games Anwar has played in 2015-16 with the new ball, its scrambled seam.. and that is criminal
 
MMHS said:
You are exposing your age :) Anwar Ali was the biggest swinger of the ball, just about 7 years back - don't know who (God or Lucifer) changed his action, he has lost it. Imran is pitching it up & swinging it, but he bowled rubbish yesterday. That angle staff Anwar can do better.

At least, thanks that you understood the reason why Anwar was suggested as 4th seemer. :)
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A certain famous someone changed his wrist position at NCA otherwise Anwar Ali was the next Asif-like bowler for sure that too with even more pace(around 140)
 
Who of the 4 seamers looks the least like getting a wicket? For me its Amir, he looks so one dimensional, needs a away swinger
 
MMHS said:
You don't need much reflex, neither mobility, but your conversion has to be very good. Some of the best 1st slippers are flat-footed, not much movements, but huge corpse - Fleming, Lloyd, Inzi, Smith (Graeme), Mahela, Tubby, Rahul, Lara, Big Mac - guys with bucket like cups & very good concentration.
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My hands aren't that big but I did often stand at first slip in my younger days, I didn't realise you were such an avid fan of the Birmingham Cricket League.
 
Need to bowl a yorker to Grandhomme, he's just playing flat footed shots, albeit with plenty of timing and power.
 
Imran was moving the ball so much more. Amir is gun barrell straight. Ive not criticised amir throughout these past 5-6 months however feel like his second spell is v weak.
 
Watling is a tough batsman to get out.

Pak's best chance of a wkt is Grandhomme, but the bowling to him so far has been poor.

Need the bouncer/yorker routine.
 
Big Mac said:
My hands aren't that big but I did often stand at first slip in my younger days, I didn't realise you were such an avid fan of the Birmingham Cricket League.
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That's great to know, though I was talking about another Big Mac playing cricket in SAF.
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No variation from Amir, poor bowling, he's bowling it too wide and is getting punished every time.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
A certain famous someone changed his wrist position at NCA otherwise Anwar Ali was the next Asif-like bowler for sure that too with even more pace(around 140)
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I know, this happens when novices take powerful technical positions with some "quick earned" certifications.
 
In post match now Azhar will say, 'Woh jee hummaray pas Colin ki batting ki bhi video nai thi jee'
 
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