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New Zealand vs Australia | 1st Test | Wellington | Feb 12-16, 2016 | Match Thread

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What really happened?

Did the pitch ease out or something?

Aussies burying the Kiwis.

Well according to the kiwi supporters it was a green mamba and they struggled to post a respectable 183 and during the change of innings the pitch changed to a flat deck. We're not sure but there is talk that the Aus bats have some sort of magic dust that flattens tracks and the Warner spreads it on the pitch when he walks out.
 
What really happened?

Did the pitch ease out or something?

Aussies burying the Kiwis.

It had eased up by the time NZ were five down at lunch.

It was moderately tricky for the first ninety minutes - but was a 90-2 at lunch pitch. The problem was that every Kiwi - including the overhyped Williamson - prodded at balls outside off-stump.

NZ Cricket should give KW a twelve month period of First Class and Test cricket only. The short form has addled his brain.
 
Frustratingly, really frustratingly, I 100% endorse [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] in all his comments - even the ones about me.

NZ have been the architects of their own destruction, and one side is playing Test cricket against an opponent which is trying to play an ODI.
 
Well according to the kiwi supporters it was a green mamba and they struggled to post a respectable 183 and during the change of innings the pitch changed to a flat deck. We're not sure but there is talk that the Aus bats have some sort of magic dust that flattens tracks and the Warner spreads it on the pitch when he walks out.

Well in fairness williamson flopped on day 1 and smith didn't on day 1 and we all know the rules if root and williamson score it's clearly a minefield if smith scores well it's clearly a highway.
 
So looks like Kiwis played poorly and collapsed.

Don't see them coming back in this game.

400+ lead is just too big a jump.
 
Smith must be praised for that knock.

Not convinced with him entirely but if he can keep scoring in varied conditions (he scored when Aussies were 5-2), then he deserves all the praise.

Will be interesting to see how he goes about.
 
Yeah, we've seen how you gone on slow tracks in the SC as well. Swept in India and swept in the UAE.

ROFL Missed this one before, jeez mate sure we are rubbish in asia but you guys are minnows you have beaten one half decent team in the last 45 years in asia and that was Sl back in the 1980's, at least we have actually won in india before you guys haven't even got a single series win there.

Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight.
 
NZ will have to bowl Aus out, if Smith declares it must be at least 450 in front.

I reckon a lead of 400 would do. It's big enough to virtually guarantee an innings win and it's big enough to smash the morale of the Kiwis. Also being only 120 runs away, it's conceivable Australia can smash them out in the morning session, and stick NZ in immediately after lunch. Leaving them 8 sessions to bat out for the draw, surely they won't manage that, no matter how flat the pitch has gotten.
 
Yeah but Mark Craig is your spinner

Checkmate :))

Nathan Lyon is a better spinner than the pieman Craig, and Lyon's also better than the leggie Sodhi who's supposedly the next Shane Warne despite averaging 50.
 
Can someone explain why Bracewell keeps getting games ahead of guys like Milne and Wagner?

The guy is a complete plodder. Milne at least has the pace they lack and Wagner holds more skills and more threat and greater aggression. I don't get it.
 
[MENTION=139843]IcedCoffee[/MENTION], now what's your opinion on the greentop mate?:srini

I already posted my opinion on the track earlier. There's not a whole lot of swing, but some slight seam movement. NZ just played poorly, and one poor performance isn't enough of a sample size to classify them as FTBs. Just like how the indians having a lone good performance on a green track isn't enough to classify them as the opposite.
 
I already posted my opinion on the track earlier. There's not a whole lot of swing, but some slight seam movement. NZ just played poorly, and one poor performance isn't enough of a sample size to classify them as FTBs. Just like how the indians having a lone good performance on a green track isn't enough to classify them as the opposite.

I wasn't taking a potshot at NZ by that post, I was implying the usual match course of greentop tracks. The match got over within the first 2 sessions of the first day (no doubt aided by some poor strokeplay by the kiwis too).

Btw, this isn't a one off for NZ. They have been previously been bowled out for low totals on green tracks in the first innings of their respective matches with India and SL, only to come back with monstrous totals in the third innings to save the match or even win the match.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/667653.html
Bowled out for 192 against India.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/749779.html
Bowled out for 221 against SL.
 
Interesting how many more sessions the Aussies bat here. I think if they bat 2 more session and declare or get bowled out that gives the kiwis an akward 7 sessions to try and save the game then.
 
I wasn't taking a potshot at NZ by that post, I was implying the usual match course of greentop tracks. The match got over within the first 2 sessions of the first day (no doubt aided by some poor strokeplay by the kiwis too).

Btw, this isn't a one off for NZ. They have been previously been bowled out for low totals on green tracks in the first innings of their respective matches with India and SL, only to come back with monstrous totals in the third innings to save the match or even win the match.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/667653.html
Bowled out for 192 against India.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/749779.html
Bowled out for 221 against SL.

To be fair, totals of near 200 aren't in any way 'poor'. Poor would be the 60 odd scored by the Aussies against the broad attack. But yes, on this track 183 was a poor total as this wasn't as bad as Lord's.
 
I wasn't taking a potshot at NZ by that post, I was implying the usual match course of greentop tracks. The match got over within the first 2 sessions of the first day (no doubt aided by some poor strokeplay by the kiwis too).

Btw, this isn't a one off for NZ. They have been previously been bowled out for low totals on green tracks in the first innings of their respective matches with India and SL, only to come back with monstrous totals in the third innings to save the match or even win the match.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/667653.html
Bowled out for 192 against India.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/749779.html
Bowled out for 221 against SL.

Why do you give icedcoffee so much attention? He has been proven wrong so many times, he doesn't know anything about batting
 
Smith must be praised for that knock.

Not convinced with him entirely but if he can keep scoring in varied conditions (he scored when Aussies were 5-2), then he deserves all the praise.

Will be interesting to see how he goes about.

No, not really. He was dropped once at second slip and had another that arrived there on the half-volley.

The Kiwi collapse owed little to the pitch. It was 95% because - unlike Australia - they played as if in an ODI, playing reckless shots outside off-stump. By the time the Kookaburra lost its shine and hardness after 20 overs they were 51-5 and the match was lost.
 
No, not really. He was dropped once at second slip and had another that arrived there on the half-volley.

The Kiwi collapse owed little to the pitch. It was 95% because - unlike Australia - they played as if in an ODI, playing reckless shots outside off-stump. By the time the Kookaburra lost its shine and hardness after 20 overs they were 51-5 and the match was lost.

Be that as it may...its still a very good knock looking at the context of the game.

Chances are given to batsmen all the time.

Cook was not given lbw against Bhajji in Mumbai 2012 and went on to score the masterful century.
Next game Cook was dropped by Pujara and then scored 190.
Bmac was dropped like 5 times when he scored the match saving 300 marathon.

Many such examples exist.

Such chances happen. The knocks are great nonetheless.

If Smith fought well and got the runs without being too flukey, he deserves praise.

Of course, one knock doesn't change everything but credit where its due.
 
Be that as it may...its still a very good knock looking at the context of the game.

Chances are given to batsmen all the time.

Cook was not given lbw against Bhajji in Mumbai 2012 and went on to score the masterful century.
Next game Cook was dropped by Pujara and then scored 190.
Bmac was dropped like 5 times when he scored the match saving 300 marathon.

Many such examples exist.

Such chances happen. The knocks are great nonetheless.

If Smith fought well and got the runs without being too flukey, he deserves praise.

Of course, one knock doesn't change everything but credit where its due.[/QUOTE
Voges and Khawaja were all class: they took no liberties outside off-stump.

Steve Smith played the same way as the Kiwis, but the chances he gave were dropped.

He showed plenty of character, but not much technique.
 
For the rest of his life, until he is an even older man, Adam Voges will have sweet dreams of being on both 99 and 199, and being confronted by Mark Craig bowling full-tosses.

It's only Velentine's Day, and Christmas has already come twice.
 
I'd feel worse for NZ if you guys didn't let him score the next 220 runs without any issues at all
 
Rain may wipe out 2 sessions on day 5 so we might just be able to save this.

Keep on batting Aus.
 
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I'd feel worse for NZ if you guys didn't let him score the next 220 runs without any issues at all
Have a look at previous scores here, there's nothing in a basin reserve wicket. If you're patient, you will score runs here.
 
Hopefully this is the last we see of Craig.

Not expecting much from Guptill and Nicolls.

Guptill isn't Test standard while Nicolls isn't ready for international cricket yet.
 
Craig has to stay in the next test. Only man who can dismiss Melville and Western Australia's great AC Voges
 
Say it again this new Zealand attack is average at best, they need a lot of assistance in the wicket to get any results, otherwise to on the medium pace side and our club spinner is more of a threat than craig
 
225 runs that decision cost us.

Aus lead by 372.

OH dear here we go again with the sooking, don't watch the match Aman, just pretend your team won and the match is over, you know like how you pretended your team was better before the series.
 
Match in the balance. NZ only 360 odd runs behind.
 
Illingworth can't even call no balls correctly, how is he umpiring?

2nd one this match.
 
This will crack up the Indians on this board.

I just had a chat with John Wright in the gents, teasing him about him and Chris Broad being like Derbyshire v Nottinghamshire thirty years ago. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] would get that.

As we parted, I innocently asked "Do you still coach in India?"

He just replied "Yes, we won last year actually".

Such a nice guy, and tolerates fools (like me) gladly!

I've always liked John Wright!
 
This Australian attack is no different from NZ so we can expect another 500. They've got Hazlewood and a bunch of nothing bowlers.
 
Now do you believe me that too much 50 and 20 overs cricket has given Williamson a flaw outside off-stump?

Even at Brisbane and Perth he was playing at balls in the corridor of uncertainty.

He is the sort of batsman that bowlers like McGrath and Asif have for breakfast.

NZ in deep trouble now: Latham and Watling are the only grafters left.
 
Now do you believe me that too much 50 and 20 overs cricket has given Williamson a flaw outside off-stump?

Even at Brisbane and Perth he was playing at balls in the corridor of uncertainty.

He is the sort of batsman that bowlers like McGrath and Asif have for breakfast.

NZ in deep trouble now: Latham and Watling are the only grafters left.
Yep, looking like a FTB. He was looking like an amateur against a less than 100% fit Amir too, thought it was a one off but he did it throughout the series. Woeful outside off, if you keep it there be it ODI's or Tests you'll eventually get him.
 
Now do you believe me that too much 50 and 20 overs cricket has given Williamson a flaw outside off-stump?
Even at Brisbane and Perth he was playing at balls in the corridor of uncertainty.

He is the sort of batsman that bowlers like McGrath and Asif have for breakfast.

NZ in deep trouble now: Latham and Watling are the only grafters left.

Not at all, Williamson is a fine batsman but unfortunately was hyped a bit too much by some. Takes nothing away from him as a batsman but shows how poor some are at judging batsmen.
 
Outside off he's prone to chopping on, nicking it or hitting it straight to short cover.

He's gotten out quite often with loose drives quite often in the past, it's only really Smith who has attacked him like that in the ODI series.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] this isn't anything new, it's always been there, it's just that teams haven't been able to build pressure on him by continuing to put it in that channel. It was Pakistan who attacked him with that line, now the Aussies are following suit.
 
If I were Smith, I'd be giving Marsh 4-5 overs at Nicolls.

He doesn't do well against pace, I'd attack him on the 4th and 5th stump line and try get the inside edge onto the stumps.
 
Our batsmen aren't very bright.

Two very soft dismissals on a flat wicket.
 
Yep, looking like a FTB. He was looking like an amateur against a less than 100% fit Amir too, thought it was a one off but he did it throughout the series. Woeful outside off, if you keep it there be it ODI's or Tests you'll eventually get him.

Even kohli has severe issues outside the off-stump but that doesn't mean he stops playing odi or t20 cricket.
You have to adjust your technique according to the different formats required and if you can't then your not a very good batsman to begin with.
 
Huge blow at stumps.

pity with all the obsession over the no ball that almost no praise has been given to hazlewood in this match, he really has been on another level to the rest in this match and he was during the adelaide test, good to see he has learned quickly from his mistakes in the ashes.
 
Huge blow at stumps.

pity with all the obsession over the no ball that almost no praise has been given to hazlewood in this match, he really has been on another level to the rest in this match and he was during the adelaide test, good to see he has learned quickly from his mistakes in the ashes.
He's been easily the best bowler out there, it's more about NZ being so badly dominated at home that has fans searching for excuses. Reality is, with or without that error we were going to lose this match by a big margin. Australia have played the better cricket from day 1 and deserve to win this match by an innings. It's rubbish to ask for longer series against the bigger teams when you put up such pathetic performances, that too on your captains 100th.
 
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I don't know where they can go from here.

The next game is in Hamilton, there will be plenty of bounce out there for bowlers like Hazlewood, Bird and Patto. They'll be unplayable for our batsmen.

The last game we had there was a disastrous game against SL, we ended up winning the game but SL dominated us for the most part.

We were lucky to win having bounced them out in the third innings after conceding a big first innings lead.

The Aussies will enjoy conditions there and will likely finish with a comprehensive 2-0 series win.
 
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so [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] what's your excuse for this time :13:
What excuse? I predicted a clean sweep in the ODI series and Tests. I was wrong about the ODi's, looking spot on for the Tests.

You'd be silly to consider NZ favorites to win a Test series against Aus after what they've shown against SL and Pakistan this summer.
 
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What excuse? I predicted a clean sweep in the ODI series and Tests. I was wrong about the ODi's, looking spot on for the Tests.

You'd be silly to consider NZ favorites to win a Test series against Aus after what they've shown against SL and Pakistan this summer.

still they should have done at least better. Getting all out on day 1 is rubbish. Australian pitches did them good
 
still they should have done at least better. Getting all out on day 1 is rubbish. Australian pitches did them good
I know, that's why so many fans are disappointed with the performance.

It's unacceptable to perform like we have at home.

The WI put up a better fight in Aus :facepalm:

Deep down, most fans will admit they saw this coming. NZ have been playing some very ordinary cricket for a while.

Maybe it was a golden run before, where everything clicked and now we're back at our real level.
 
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I don't know where they can go from here.

The next game is in Hamilton, there will be plenty of bounce out there for bowlers like Hazlewood, Bird and Patto. They'll be unplayable for our batsmen.

The last game we had there was a disastrous game against SL, we ended up winning the game but SL dominated us for the most part.

We were lucky to win having bounced them out in the third innings after conceding a big first innings lead.

The Aussies will enjoy conditions there and will likely finish with a comprehensive 2-0 series win.

Next test is hagley oval in christchurch, if we win here they will surely go for a real green deck so it will be anybody's game, might end up like hobart a few years back with you guys leveling it up on a green deck.
 
Next test is hagley oval in christchurch, if we win here they will surely go for a real green deck so it will be anybody's game, might end up like hobart a few years back with you guys leveling it up on a green deck.
Ignore that then.

Likely to do the same there, prepare a green top that will only offer something on day 1.

Can't prepare a proper green top nowadays.
 
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Funny how threads start to die when Australia is winning
 
Craig should give up bowling and focus on his batting. He could be a handy batsmen for NZ.
 
Craig should give up bowling and focus on his batting. He could be a handy batsmen for NZ.

Who gets dropped to bring in Taylor?

Got to keep Nicholls in the side surely
 
Funny how threads start to die when Australia is winning

Because we're so used to seeing Australia winning.

But this will be a big slap on the faces of those who said "Aus are flat track bullies"
 
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