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New Zealand vs England | 1st Test | Dunedin | Mar 6-10, 2013

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Southee is the danger man in my opinion the pitch will have some moisture.
The key is that Bout and Southee strike with the new ball.
 
Cloudy conditions come back just in time to assist in another English collapse. They don't need to show up though, our mental frailty will do it.
 
@Mithun - IINW Wagner too is from SA so is grant elliot, former player roger twose et all.
 
Ruri said:
Cloudy conditions come back just in time to assist in another English collapse. They don't need to show up though, our mental frailty will do it.
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Quit slitting your wrist, you will have enough time to do that when the batting starts :nasser
 
There was even a wicket keeper who toured India few months back with this NZ side, who I think is a former Saffer.
 
Cloud means good news for England's bowlers, bad news for batsmen. NZ won't mind getting bowled out soon as long as the cloud stays.
 
good situation of Hobbits

lolz @ POMS.......they are/were too smug to think of doing 10-0 in ashes :bumble

they might lose here :))
 
Brilliant quickfire knock from Baz so far. 50 more runs will give that much more cushion for NZ bowlers in the 2nd innings.
 
Martin gets lucky, 400 up for Newzealand.
In a really strong position now.
401/7
 
that Mumbai girl has no effect on my main man Rauf's spectacular umpiring :asif

what happens in mumbai, stays in Mumbai :asadrauf
 
interesting tweet:
“@MRace93: @BumbleCricket remember when you replied disagreeing when I said Philander is better than Praveen Kumar? Agree now?” 'No view.'
hmmm...
 
Anfield said:
interesting tweet:
“@MRace93: @BumbleCricket remember when you replied disagreeing when I said Philander is better than Praveen Kumar? Agree now?” 'No view.'
hmmm...
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:))) Praveen Kumar>> Philander. Bumble is entertaining but his cricket opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. He also rated Cook a better batsman than Amla, Kallis and Clarke on twitter.
 
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David 'Bumble' Lloyd @BumbleCricket
Not be on for long ... Rain coming in

Rain dance by :bumble
 
No rain prediction for last 2 days :rondu . Nz deserve to win this test
 
Hazy rain. Wasn't really that bad but combined with bad light it was enough.
 
Is more play likely or does rain set in usually in Dunedin?
 
Hilarious highlights package. Anderson celebrating like a retard with every wicket. Not to worried about the team situation i guess.
 
England might actually lose by an innings!

Great performance by NZ, really heartwarming. I think they have one of the better youth players in the world: williamson, Watling, boult, southee, bracewell
 
Space Cat said:
Hilarious highlights package. Anderson celebrating like a retard with every wicket. Not to worried about the team situation i guess.
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But his celebration for Ross Taylor's wicket was very churlish TBH (reminded me of Sreesanth's celebration)
 
Ruri said:
Cloudy conditions come back just in time to assist in another English collapse. They don't need to show up though, our mental frailty will do it.
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I don't think they are mentally frail - they just won in India after all - they just had a bad day, and then one Kiwi batted really well.

There will be more rain. We only need one batter to get a slow ton and it's a draw.

England often lose the first test, or get the wrong end of a draw. Remember India and Australia. It's part of who we are as a nation. We don't start to fight until backed into a corner, like in the Battle of Britain.
 
Could maybe get away with a draw but it's not really deserved.
 
I wish NZC invests some more in basic infrastructure like proper floodlights on the grounds where they play international games.

England's chances of drawing this game have increased courtesy rain :facepalm:
 
(i'm practicing for the Ashes)
"we" missed Swann today. Even on day 1 he could have got "us" a wicket or two.
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i'm in a catch 22 situation here, you always want the underdog to do well, but we cant afford for England's confidence to be dented for the upcoming Ashes also (coz i'll be supporting them). I hope whatever the outcome of this test match they will stay positive.
 
Also Barbie needs to be dropped, he is gonna cost us Ashes, heck even this series. I know his father used to play for England and all now a match referee, but enough is enough. Bring Onions back into the side. Sorry Barbie but you need to go.
 
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Agreed. Broad is probably cack. It's been apparent for a while now and I reckon Flower knows this.

It'll just take longer to filter Stuart out than usual because he had the perfect image of the tall, talented, poster-friendly reflective-teethed Aryan public schoolboy who could one day be the England captain. This dream is gone, and all that is left is an average Test cricketer who is operating on borrowed time.
 
style_guru said:
I wish NZC invests some more in basic infrastructure like proper floodlights on the grounds where they play international games.

England's chances of drawing this game have increased courtesy rain :facepalm:
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Weather forecast looks clear for the next two days.
A quick fifty runs by McCullum tomorrow, and declaring an Hour before Lunch will give NZ enough runs and time to win by an innings.
 
ahmed778 said:
Weather forecast looks clear for the next two days.
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I know that. Was referring to the time already lost due to rain. If anything, this loss of time can only help England draw.

ahmed778 said:
A quick fifty runs by McCullum tomorrow, and declaring an Hour before Lunch will give NZ enough runs and time to win by an innings.
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Sounds too easy. But I am afraid England won't crumble cheaply twice in a match. Had there been no rain, I would've fancied a NZ win.

Anyway, weather cannot be controlled and many a times it has also robbed England of a probable win. So it evens out in the end.
 
soso_killer said:
Also Barbie needs to be dropped, he is gonna cost us Ashes, heck even this series. I know his father used to play for England and all now a match referee, but enough is enough. Bring Onions back into the side. Sorry Barbie but you need to go.
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Why Onions? He did nothing in India (in the FC matches he played) and so far has combined figures of 1/200 on this NZ tour. Not exactly banging the door down.
 
Rain stay away....and let the Phainti continue:133:

But little bit cloud cover would be nice for Southee and co, to move the ball....

An innings win would be nice ..
 
New zealand in an ideal situation here 230+ ahead and mcullum still in so they can have a merry old slog for half a session or a session in the morning and demoralize england and then they have 5 sessions still to take another 10 england wickets.
 
style_guru said:
I wish NZC invests some more in basic infrastructure like proper floodlights on the grounds where they play international games.
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We don't have floodlights on most of our test grounds. It wouldn't be worth it anyway. Ive seen tests at Lords go off for bad light in the middle of afternoon with the floodlights on making difference.
 
It's quite likely that we will lose. However after winning in India I refuse to believe we are this bad. We also have to give credit to NZ for playing cricket of integrity and skill.

But win, lose or draw, I predict the 2nd Test to be much closer.
 
If England wins the series 2-1, they will lose 2 points. NZ will gain 2 points.

If England wins the series 2-0, they will lose 1 point. NZ will get 0 points.

Basically, the test leg of the tour is already a loss for England, unless they can somehow find a way to win this match.
 
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If the conditions are overcast tomorrow expect the match to be over by stumps tomorrow.
Southee and Boult will be very effective if there is any swing.
 
James said:
Agreed. Broad is probably cack. It's been apparent for a while now and I reckon Flower knows this.

It'll just take longer to filter Stuart out than usual because he had the perfect image of the tall, talented, poster-friendly reflective-teethed Aryan public schoolboy who could one day be the England captain. This dream is gone, and all that is left is an average Test cricketer who is operating on borrowed time.
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Broad does look like the typical English captain.
 
Jo_Don said:
If England wins the series 2-1, they will lose 2 points. NZ will gain 2 points.

If England wins the series 2-0, they will lose 1 point. NZ will get 0 points.

Basically, the test leg of the tour is already a loss for England, unless they can somehow find a way to win this match.
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Seems a bit unfair really, if you win an away Test series surely you should gain a point or two?
 
James said:
Seems a bit unfair really, if you win an away Test series surely you should gain a point or two?
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Yeah it's always been my stance, that away wins should count more. Same thing happened with us when we toured there last year - 2 matches were drawn due to the weather, but we lost points despite taking the series 1-0.
 
James said:
Agreed. Broad is probably cack. It's been apparent for a while now and I reckon Flower knows this.
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He seemed to do a good third-seamer's job today. Remember he is coming back from injury.

I think Finn is still working out his action with this new run-up so will bowl four-balls.

Monty is clearly rusty, having not played a match since Christmas.

I think we can get a draw here and still win the series 2-0.
 
How many points will NZ gain if they whitewash England 3-0?
 
Jo_Don said:
Yeah it's always been my stance, that away wins should count more. Same thing happened with us when we toured there last year - 2 matches were drawn due to the weather, but we lost points despite taking the series 1-0.
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The test in Wellington you guys had more than enough time to win but couldnt remove Williamson. Only a few hours on day 2 lost to rain.

Still i agree you should get points out of it winning the series. Clearly twice the side in that Tour then England are now.
 
Jo_Don said:
If England wins the series 2-1, they will lose 2 points. NZ will gain 2 points.

If England wins the series 2-0, they will lose 1 point. NZ will get 0 points.

Basically, the test leg of the tour is already a loss for England, unless they can somehow find a way to win this match.
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SA will have the same problem when they play teams at 6, 7, 8 away from home.

We lost 3 points for a 1-1 draw in SA and lost a point for winning 2-0 in WI!
 
wrongun said:
Why Onions? He did nothing in India (in the FC matches he played) and so far has combined figures of 1/200 on this NZ tour. Not exactly banging the door down.
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i'm sorry but since when do tour matches count for anything? The guy needs to be given a chance and an extended run in the side. I know he is not as commercial as Barbie, yeah sure he wont sell posters either, but i'm sure he can nip a wicket or two. Is it that enjoyable looking at Broard? *SMH* besides the is Cook for that, and he plays some bloody good cricket. Oh! I forgot he doesn't count he's not blonde.... oh well
 
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friends, did you read this : Fast bowler James Anderson says England face an uphill task to save the first Test against New Zealand after a second successive day of toil in Dunedin.
The hosts advanced from 131-0 to 402-7 to lead by 235 runs when bad light brought a premature end to day three.
"Our job now is to get three wickets and then we have to bat as long as we can to get ourselves into a safe position in the game," said Anderson.
"It will be pretty difficult I would imagine."


[http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/21710694 ]
 
IMO pretty much every Test series away from home except Bangladesh and Zimbabwe is hard to win. Even West Indies and (as we're finding out) New Zealand can be tough. So it seems unfair that a winning touring party should lose points.

Anyway, back to the current scenario. Who says England will win this series at all? Eek.
 
James said:
IMO pretty much every Test series away from home except Bangladesh and Zimbabwe is hard to win. Even West Indies and (as we're finding out) New Zealand can be tough. So it seems unfair that a winning touring party should lose points.

Anyway, back to the current scenario. Who says England will win this series at all? Eek.
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eek ...why that James ?
 
James said:
IMO pretty much every Test series away from home except Bangladesh and Zimbabwe is hard to win. Even West Indies and (as we're finding out) New Zealand can be tough. So it seems unfair that a winning touring party should lose points.

Anyway, back to the current scenario. Who says England will win this series at all? Eek.
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And that's why SA are the no.1 test team, gloating intended. Any team can bully others at home, real lions roar away from home :amla :kallis
 
Stuart Broad as a future test captain is laughable. Average cricketer who usually has one good performance in a series.
 
vandokkum said:
Stuart Broad as a future test captain is laughable. Average cricketer who usually has one good performance in a series.
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Why does that make him not test captaincy material, exactly? Mike Brearly averaged 22 in test cricket, yet won a lot of tests.
 
Robert said:
Why does that make him not test captaincy material, exactly? Mike Brearly averaged 22 in test cricket, yet won a lot of tests.
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Your test captain actually needs to deserve a spot in the team, unless you are Darren Sammy. Broad hasn't shown any magical leadership skills either
 
vandokkum said:
Your test captain actually needs to deserve a spot in the team, unless you are Darren Sammy. Broad hasn't shown any magical leadership skills either
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Well, I think Broad deserves his spot. He's not a world-beater but he's as good as most test 3rd seamers.
 
If a bowler goes wicket less for 3-4 test matches he doesn't deserve to be in the squad let alone playing playing XI
 
Fateh said:
eek ...why that James ?
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If we lose this Test, we have to play at 8/10 or better for the rest of the series to win it. We've come back many times before, but away from home in particular it's always a big ask.
 
Robert said:
Well, I think Broad deserves his spot. He's not a world-beater but he's as good as most test 3rd seamers.
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But he's not meant to be a 3rd seamer is he, he was the golden boy and eventually meant to lead the attack after 'surpassing' Anderson - which never happened - and in fact he has ended up slipping behind a couple of the others as well.

On the whole, Stuart has been a disappointment. He certainly doesn't deserve to be England Test captain on merit; doesn't really seem mature or level-headed enough either, so your Brearley analogy (Mike is one of the most intelligent captains ever) is ridiculous...

How about a guy like Prior as vice, a cricketer who's vocal, highly professional, totally committed, and most importantly has really earned it on the basis of his performance.
 
How is Broad supposed to be a 3rd seamer? Finn is not the finished product and is not a regular in the test side and Bresnan has been pants since his comeback last year and now out of the test equation. He should be leading the attack with Anderson considering he has played over 50 tests already
 
Barring the last 8 years or so NZ has actually been a tough place to tour. Perhaps we can get that reputation back.
 
James said:
But he's not meant to be a 3rd seamer is he, he was the golden boy and eventually meant to lead the attack after 'surpassing' Anderson - which never happened - and in fact he has ended up slipping behind a couple of the others as well.
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Well, in the last three years he averages 27 with the ball, s/r 56 which is fairly close to Jimmy's return. Three 5fers and a 10fer in his last 18 tests.


I think he's better suited to coming on first change - that accurate cutting-it-about stuff he does. And he bowled with a lot of hostility today too.

He's frustrating because he has a good series then seems to slip back. I'd like a lot more from him with the bat, remembering that big ton against Pakistan.

Yet I still think he can be The New Hadlee - Sir Richard started getting really good in his late twenties, after he saw a shrink and got his mind right.
 
Broad showed glimpse of the bowler he could be against India, Pakistan in UAE and Sri Lanka but then he went back to his usual- rubbish. I really liked Tremelett a lot on these overseas pitches.
 
Robert said:
Well, in the last three years he averages 27 with the ball, s/r 56 which is fairly close to Jimmy's return. Three 5fers and a 10fer in his last 18 tests.


I think he's better suited to coming on first change - that accurate cutting-it-about stuff he does. And he bowled with a lot of hostility today too.

He's frustrating because he has a good series then seems to slip back. I'd like a lot more from him with the bat, remembering that big ton against Pakistan.

Yet I still think he can be The New Hadlee - Sir Richard started getting really good in his late twenties, after he saw a shrink and got his mind right.
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:))) :facepalm: There is only a difference of 10 points in their average and 12 in Strike rate... and the fact that Hadlee pretty much carried his team's bowling attack by himself. You must be related to Barbie :boycott
 
Robert said:
Well, in the last three years he averages 27 with the ball, s/r 56 which is fairly close to Jimmy's return. Three 5fers and a 10fer in his last 18 tests.


I think he's better suited to coming on first change - that accurate cutting-it-about stuff he does. And he bowled with a lot of hostility today too.

He's frustrating because he has a good series then seems to slip back. I'd like a lot more from him with the bat, remembering that big ton against Pakistan.

Yet I still think he can be The New Hadlee - Sir Richard started getting really good in his late twenties, after he saw a shrink and got his mind right.
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Hadlee had Taken 235 wickets after 50 Tests, averaged 23.
Was pretty useful with the bat aswell averaging 25.
 
vandokkum said:
:))) :facepalm: There is only a difference of 10 points in their average and 12 in Strike rate...
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Yes, when he was Broad's age, Sir Richard averaged 33, s/r 62.

This would suggest that Broad at 26 is the better bowler than Hadlee at 26, yes?

My point is that Hadlee got much better, after a mediocre start, so that means Broad can too.
 
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Robert said:
Yes, when he was Broad's age, Sir Richard averaged 33, s/r 62.

This would suggest that Broad at 26 is the better bowler than Hadlee at 26, yes?

My point is that Hadlee got much better, after a mediocre start.
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Broad debuted at 20 compared to Hadlee at 22, you also haven't mentioned the fact that Hadlee only played about 20 tests at 26 compared to Broad having played over 50. Broad after 52 tests- avg of 32, sr of 62. Hadlee- avg of 23 and sr of 53.

Ofcourse Broad can one day magically transform himself but the probability of that happening is very slim, he certainly won't be near Hadlee that's for sure :hadlee
 
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Robert I don't know why you invert things in this fashion...comparing Broad to Hadlee yet constantly dissing KP for not scoring on old-style pitches. Sorry mate, but it is clear to most people which of these two England players is average and which is great.
 
James said:
Robert I don't know why you invert things in this fashion...comparing Broad to Hadlee yet constantly dissing KP for not scoring on old-style pitches. Sorry mate, but it is clear to most people which of these two England players is average and which is great.
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Broad is the typical English blue eyed boy... less said about Pietersen the better...
 
Lmao next Hadlee.

He only has to do what Philander has done so far but 4 times as long to catch up.
 
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