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One of the most shameful defeats I've seen in my life, and there's been some terrible ones.

Don't single out individuals. That's a collective mind fade.

1) Disgraceful bowling in the Powerplay. How the hell do you concede 50 runs on a gloomy overcast day on a seaming pitch ? Asif and Abbas would've ran riot. Does Shaheen think it haram to just hit a hard length ?

2) Babar does his usual look pretty and get out routine. Fake king never ever performs when it matters.

2) Rizwan was lucky not to be dismissed 3 times before he got out. Dube's drop and two near chop-ons and guy still cannot finish the game.

3) Fakhar with a reckless shot having played himself in.

4) Usman Khan dropped a catch and looked a tailender with the bat. Poking aimlessly outside offstump. And this guy was dominating PSL ?

5) Imad went nowhere. Yes it was tough hitting boundaries but guy with his shot knee just lumbering between the wickets with RRR climbing.

6) Shadab - waste of a place but Babar needs his dinner table buddy.

7) Ifti - this useless budda's reflexes is so shot he cannot even dispatch fulltosses. And this guy was destroying PSL attacks with SR of 190+ ? Take your pension and retire.

Only Naseem and Amir can keep their heads high. Rauf was okay but still his usual combination of gems and filth.

Mate it hurts but it's all so predictable now. It won't change either. The rot is too deep to recover.
 
The paltry 119 total is irrelevant. Had India scored 90 Pakistan would have got 86. Had India scored 70, Pakistan would have got 68. This current edition of Pakistan is a minnow mentality they will get into promising situations then lose. It's cool and the way it is. As one of the other threads stated lower expectations and enjoy the occasional random victory that comes
 
I thought India looked pretty bad to be honest. I can't see them winning this tournament either.
Yes we are pathetic but Pakistan is more pathetic than us. Both countries are not winning any ICC trophy as long as fair selection not happened
 
Are you kidding me? You seriously didn't expect Pakistan to win after we were bowled out for 119? Who cares how superious my team is, the point is you don't lose a T20 match after bundling the opposition for 119.
anyone who saw the south africa netherlands match yesterday could tell that india would be able to defend 120 on this pitch against a mentally fragile pak team with their quality bowling line up
 
This might seem like a troll post but it isn't.

I think the PCB should hire a world-class psychologist and pay them a hefty amount. Their job is simple - to devise a series of tests that don't require the participant to have any kind of knowledge, education or language skills. These tests should put the person taking the test through extreme pressure, humiliation while taking them to the edge of failure.

Draw up a list of 100 of the best cricketers in Pakistan and have the psychologist test them. Only the top 20 who pass the test should be eligible for selection into the Pakistan national team.
 
One of the most shameful defeats I've seen in my life, and there's been some terrible ones.

Don't single out individuals. That's a collective mind fade.

1) Disgraceful bowling in the Powerplay. How the hell do you concede 50 runs on a gloomy overcast day on a seaming pitch ? Asif and Abbas would've ran riot. Does Shaheen think it haram to just hit a hard length ?

2) Babar does his usual look pretty and get out routine. Fake king never ever performs when it matters.

2) Rizwan was lucky not to be dismissed 3 times before he got out. Dube's drop and two near chop-ons and guy still cannot finish the game.

3) Fakhar with a reckless shot having played himself in.

4) Usman Khan dropped a catch and looked a tailender with the bat. Poking aimlessly outside offstump. And this guy was dominating PSL ?

5) Imad went nowhere. Yes it was tough hitting boundaries but guy with his shot knee just lumbering between the wickets with RRR climbing.

6) Shadab - waste of a place but Babar needs his dinner table buddy.

7) Ifti - this useless budda's reflexes is so shot he cannot even dispatch fulltosses. And this guy was destroying PSL attacks with SR of 190+ ? Take your pension and retire.

Only Naseem and Amir can keep their heads high. Rauf was okay but still his usual combination of gems and filth.


Funnily enough I have got bored with feeling shame watching this team. Usually a defeat against India would hurt more, but I couldn't even feel any real rivalry. Just looked like one team - India - was possibly past it's prime, and the other didn't even feel like it belonged on the same pitch. India should feel ashamed they let Pakistan get anywhere near a win.
 
I'm actually pleasantly surprised by today's result.

I expect us to be annihilated and we weren't.

I hope Indian fans are not offended when I say that they failed to destroy this pathetic Pakistan team
 
Why should they be ashamed? They lost to USA. You cannot go lower than that. Were you expecting Pakistan to win here?

India is a much superior side. Pakistan would be lucky to win against Canada or Ireland here.
It's the hope that kills you
against the odds they gave themselves a golden opportunity only to needlessly put themselves under pressure and choke it away
 
I'm actually pleasantly surprised by today's result.

I expect us to be annihilated and we weren't.

I hope Indian fans are not offended when I say that they failed to destroy this pathetic Pakistan team
We are qually pathetic. Australia, England will destroy this Indian team in super 8
 
It's the hope that kills you
against the odds they gave themselves a golden opportunity only to needlessly put themselves under pressure and choke it away
You cannot attach hope to a team that cannot beat C Teams at home, associates like Ireland and USA who didn't even got their spot through qualification. That's a mistake. You'll only disappoint yourself if you do so.

My only hope from this WT20 campaign is that fans realize this and accept the fact that Pakistan is not a good Cricket team anymore. Only once we can know how deep below the cave we are, we can workout the length of the rope and a way out.
 
You cannot attach hope to a team that cannot beat C Teams at home, associates like Ireland and USA who didn't even got their spot through qualification. That's a mistake. You'll only disappoint yourself if you do so.

My only hope from this WT20 campaign is that fans realize this and accept the fact that Pakistan is not a good Cricket team anymore. Only once we can know how deep below the cave we are, we can workout the length of the rope and a way out.
true, afg is above us in t20 right now
 
How could they mess this up,? Really lucky escape for India but really poor batting from Rizwan
Nah mate, when you have a bowler who hurls down an over that concedes only 3 runs in the 19th over a 20 over game, that’s not an escape. That is the imitation rubbing against the real deal and coming up short.
 
Afghanistan is a very dangerous side in Caribbean conditions. Real contenders for Semi spots. If they had a good middle order. I would have counted them as one of the favorites.
Yeah a lot hinges on Gurbaz and Zadran to a lesser extent.
But the intent from the middle order is much better then ours despite the names being not as recognised.
 
Yeah a lot hinges on Gurbaz and Zadran to a lesser extent.
But the intent from the middle order is much better then ours despite the names being not as recognised.
They have a solid gameplan، play as a team and execute their plans well. Not to mention they're high in confidence right now. Beating the worlds bests. E.g. New Zealand.
 
You watched 3-4 hours of cricket and that’s all you took from it?

Did Misbah lose us the WT20 in 2007, or will you blame everyone else in the team?
Atleast Misbah went down striking the ball.

Meanwhile reports are coming in from Nassau county that Imad is still trying to dab the ball on the off side of the wicket. And guess what, he is still missing
 
India ended up bowling better than us and their bowlers won the game for their team. It does look like that Pakistani bowlers were amazing today, but reality is that we bowled poorly in the power play and lost the game there. You never blame your batting on a pitch like this. It was very difficult for batters to bat on this pitch. No batter was able to bat well on this pitch from either side. Even Pant was getting lucky again and again and he hit few boundaries on deliveries that any batter would easily score on. Shaheen gave 29 runs on a pitch like this because he was all over the place and could not control his line and length. This is something 90% of the posters will never understand. 119 turned out to be a very big score on this pitch and if you don't understand this after watching both teams bat on this pitch, then you know nothing about cricket.
 
India ended up bowling better than us and their bowlers won the game for their team. It does look like that Pakistani bowlers were amazing today, but reality is that we bowled poorly in the power play and lost the game there. You never blame your batting on a pitch like this. It was very difficult for batters to bat on this pitch. No batter was able to bat well on this pitch from either side. Even Pant was getting lucky again and again and he hit few boundaries on deliveries that any batter would easily score on. Shaheen gave 29 runs on a pitch like this because he was all over the place and could not control his line and length. This is something 90% of the posters will never understand. 119 turned out to be a very big score on this pitch and if you don't understand this after watching both teams bat on this pitch, then you know nothing about cricket.
You are spot on. South Africa was 79/5 after 17 overs against Netherlands on this pitch. this is not an easy chasing pitch. It has variable bounce, pace. Plus bit of movement. Outfield is sluggish.
 
You are spot on. South Africa was 79/5 after 17 overs against Netherlands on this pitch. this is not an easy chasing pitch. It has variable bounce, pace. Plus bit of movement. Outfield is sluggish.
Many posters today are exposing their knowledge of the game and talking nonsense nonstop in almost every thread where this game is being discussed.
 
India ended up bowling better than us and their bowlers won the game for their team. It does look like that Pakistani bowlers were amazing today, but reality is that we bowled poorly in the power play and lost the game there. You never blame your batting on a pitch like this. It was very difficult for batters to bat on this pitch. No batter was able to bat well on this pitch from either side. Even Pant was getting lucky again and again and he hit few boundaries on deliveries that any batter would easily score on. Shaheen gave 29 runs on a pitch like this because he was all over the place and could not control his line and length. This is something 90% of the posters will never understand. 119 turned out to be a very big score on this pitch and if you don't understand this after watching both teams bat on this pitch, then you know nothing about cricket.
Problem is if it was a regular pitch the gap would have much bigger, the bowlers cannot defend 160 and batters cannot score more than 160
 
India ended up bowling better than us and their bowlers won the game for their team. It does look like that Pakistani bowlers were amazing today, but reality is that we bowled poorly in the power play and lost the game there. You never blame your batting on a pitch like this. It was very difficult for batters to bat on this pitch. No batter was able to bat well on this pitch from either side. Even Pant was getting lucky again and again and he hit few boundaries on deliveries that any batter would easily score on. Shaheen gave 29 runs on a pitch like this because he was all over the place and could not control his line and length. This is something 90% of the posters will never understand. 119 turned out to be a very big score on this pitch and if you don't understand this after watching both teams bat on this pitch, then you know nothing about cricket.
Second half the sun was out and it was way easier to bat compared to first inning.
Pakistani batsman did mess it up , agreed Shaheen really screwed up but so did the batsmen.
 
Problem is if it was a regular pitch the gap would have much bigger, the bowlers cannot defend 160 and batters cannot score more than 160
Of course Pakistan can't do anything right these days and we are not playing as a team. India is thousand times better than us
Second half the sun was out and it was way easier to bat compared to first inning.
Pakistani batsman did mess it up , agreed Shaheen really screwed up but so did the batsmen.
So sorry brother I can't blame batsmen on a pitch like this and no it was never easy to bat on this pitch in either innings and it never got better. Even the ball Rizwan got out on stayed low and did not bounce much (Just like @jnaveen1980 explained in his post above)
 
But this Pak team should be ashamed to death of losing today's match after how well their bowlers did to restrict our team to a paltry 119.
Why don't you give credit to the Indian bowling which brought the team back into the game after their batsmen had bottled it?
Isn't this what being a good team is all about? When one part of the team fails, the other compensates?
Pak lost to a genuinely better side and there is no shame in that.
I have lived through the 1990s watching India lose to genuinely better Pak teams too. No shame in that either.
 
Just watched the highlights. Pakistan needed just 48 in 48 balls with 8 wkts remaining. :facepalm:

What kind of a psychological hold does India have on their neighbours for them to mess up from that position lol ? :unsure:
 
Many posters today are exposing their knowledge of the game and talking nonsense nonstop in almost every thread where this game is being discussed.
On this pitch

Sri lanka 68/7 after 15 overs vs SA
Ireland 79/9 after 15 overs vs India
Ireland 74/6 after 15 overs vs Canada
SA 75/4 after 15 overs vs Ireland
 
Its a big shame what pathetic levels Pakistan cricket has fallen to. From the legends of Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Inzamam, Saqlain Mushtaq to these bunch of losers who always bottle in crunch moments. This match should have been won within 15 overs.

I have said this again and again that cricket in Pakistan died a long time ago. There’s no base, no infrastructure, zero school cricket, no decent grounds in the cities, horrible domestic cricket. I can see a total demise of Pak cricket in ten years. Thank god we don’t play India in biletrals or else I don’t know what will happen. We simply **** our pants against India. There was a time when we used to manhandle Indians and thrash them.

No matter how many coaches or captains you change, unless somebody fixes the base, nothing will change.

Naseem showed more balls than entire batting line up. Shame on Imad and should be dropped forever.
 
On this pitch

Sri lanka 68/7 after 15 overs vs SA
Ireland 79/9 after 15 overs vs India
Ireland 74/6 after 15 overs vs Canada
SA 75/4 after 15 overs vs Ireland

I've heard it's a drop-in pitch from Australia ? Never seen such low scoring games outside of India.
 
Why don't you give credit to the Indian bowling which brought the team back into the game after their batsmen had bottled it?
Isn't this what being a good team is all about? When one part of the team fails, the other compensates?
Pak lost to a genuinely better side and there is no shame in that.
I have lived through the 1990s watching India lose to genuinely better Pak teams too. No shame in that either.
119 on this pitch was a very good score and India's bowling attack is scary good with Bumrah being the best bowler in the world in all formats. The only chance Pakistan had if Indians bowlers bowled too many "hit me" deliveries which they did not and their bowlers controlled their line and length much better than our bowlers. Our best bowler was all over the place and we bowled too many "hit me" deliveries.
 
Its a big shame what pathetic levels Pakistan cricket has fallen to. From the legends of Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Inzamam, Saqlain Mushtaq to these bunch of losers who always bottle in crunch moments. This match should have been won within 15 overs.

I have said this again and again that cricket in Pakistan died a long time ago. There’s no base, no infrastructure, zero school cricket, no decent grounds in the cities, horrible domestic cricket. I can see a total demise of Pak cricket in ten years. Thank god we don’t play India in biletrals or else I don’t know what will happen. We simply **** our pants against India. There was a time when we used to manhandle Indians and thrash them.

No matter how many coaches or captains you change, unless somebody fixes the base, nothing will change.

Naseem showed more balls than entire batting line up. Shame on Imad and should be dropped forever.

There is no way any team in the world can score (including Aussies/England) 120 runs in 15 overs on this pitch lol The best approach to win here is by scoring minimum of 50 runs in the first 6 overs.
 
Atleast Misbah went down striking the ball.

Meanwhile reports are coming in from Nassau county that Imad is still trying to dab the ball on the off side of the wicket. And guess what, he is still missing
Did he go down striking when he was booted from t20 team due to his England innings? That pitch was a road and Pakistan had no chance of losing prior.

Go on and ignore me and come back for a cheap shot when you feel you have a certain position
 
Yes we are pathetic but Pakistan is more pathetic than us. Both countries are not winning any ICC trophy as long as fair selection not happened
who do you guys think shouldn't be in the team. Who is your version of Azam, Iftikhar, and Shadab.
 
Not at all. 120 is above par on this ground and pitch. South Africa barely chased 100 against Netherlands. Courtesy of David Miller.

And you are expecting a team that can't beat USA to outbat South Africa here against India? Pfff.
this pitch was better
 
On this pitch

Sri lanka 68/7 after 15 overs vs SA
Ireland 79/9 after 15 overs vs India
Ireland 74/6 after 15 overs vs Canada
SA 75/4 after 15 overs vs Ireland
Thank you for posting these stats! But trust me the posters who don't want to understand this game, will come up with all kinds of theories to prove how it should have been an easy chase for Pakistan because India only scored 119 runs today.
 
I Dunno, you are pretty active on this forum. Just asking your opinion on the innings.
It’s no skin off my nose mate.

I stopped caring or taking anything seriously when I saw Babar and Rizwan will be opening again for a 3rd time in a T20 World Cup.

How can I honestly care about a nation that wants to repeat the same mistakes?
 
You are spot on. South Africa was 79/5 after 17 overs against Netherlands on this pitch. this is not an easy chasing pitch. It has variable bounce, pace. Plus bit of movement. Outfield is sluggish.
Good point. Barring Naseem and Amir we lacked a plan. Shaheen thinks he is some yorker king. I hate his stupid yorkers. Just hit a length man.
 
It is incredibly disappointing - those two points would have gone a long way.

Nevertheless, it is perhaps a blessing in disguise.

There isn't a way this team, with the lack of batting depth, is going to be able to challenge for the title.

They should work hard to get into the Super 8s to avoid playing qualifiers.
 
You cannot attach hope to a team that cannot beat C Teams at home, associates like Ireland and USA who didn't even got their spot through qualification. That's a mistake. You'll only disappoint yourself if you do so.

My only hope from this WT20 campaign is that fans realize this and accept the fact that Pakistan is not a good Cricket team anymore. Only once we can know how deep below the cave we are, we can workout the length of the rope and a way out.

I don't think so. I think it's going to go down the same route as Pakistani hockey and squash. Cast into the shadows of irrelevance.
 
I will blame India too… they just got lucky here… Virat should come at no.3, Pant or Jaiswal to open the inning, SKY’s failure.

India go too low in yesterday’s match, they kept their worst performance for yesterday’s match
 
Gee whiz, few hours later...and still thinking how did you guys stuff this one up?
as our scottish guys would say 'hoff on erf..?:)
India was pathetic, played champagne millionaire shots in happy hour mode and ended up with 120 is run a ball - gettable.
just feel India are mentally stronger. As an indian with this performance, i don't think we are dusting off too many teams unless we improve heaps, get more discplined. Getting yash to open with hitman and VK at 1 to play the anchor is a good start. Perhaps this is the kick up there which kickstarts their campaign...
 
So this is my thinking.

If you can't chase 120 vs India on any sort of pitch in T20, then you don't deserve to progress to next round.

However, dissecting the match, people seem fixated on the fact that Pakistan were chasing 40 off 36 balls.

However, it was really 40 off 20 balls.

The last 5 overs, India found it impossible to score and Bumrah wasn't going to let it happen either.

Pakistan messed up when they didn't decide to go for jugular by targeting at least 80-90 in first 10 for loss of 4 or 5 wickets.
 
Its a big shame what pathetic levels Pakistan cricket has fallen to. From the legends of Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Inzamam, Saqlain Mushtaq to these bunch of losers who always bottle in crunch moments. This match should have been won within 15 overs.

I have said this again and again that cricket in Pakistan died a long time ago. There’s no base, no infrastructure, zero school cricket, no decent grounds in the cities, horrible domestic cricket. I can see a total demise of Pak cricket in ten years. Thank god we don’t play India in biletrals or else I don’t know what will happen. We simply **** our pants against India. There was a time when we used to manhandle Indians and thrash them.

No matter how many coaches or captains you change, unless somebody fixes the base, nothing will change.

Naseem showed more balls than entire batting line up. Shame on Imad and should be dropped forever.
This downward trend started when Shoaib Malik took over as captain in 2007, around the time Inzamam retired. Sure they have showed sporadic brilliance since then, example being the Kitply Cup in 2008 when they defeated India in the finals, 2009 T20 WC victory, the last bilateral ODI series between both the teams in India, or the CT 2017 victory. But they have largely flattered to deceive.

Much like our team in the 70's, 80's, and the 90's. We won the Test series in West Indies in 1971, won the 83' WC by defeating WI twice including in the finals, won the B & H World Championship by defeating Pakistan in the finals, won a Test series in England in 1986, won every match against Pakistan in WC's in the 90's, won the Pepsi Asia Cup held between India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, won the Sahara Cup against Pakistan in 1997, won the Silver Jubilee Independence Cup between India, Pakistan, Bangladesh in 1998.

And yet despite all of that, I know what type of a team India was in the 90's because I've seen them play with my very own eyes.​
 
Funnily enough I have got bored with feeling shame watching this team. Usually a defeat against India would hurt more, but I couldn't even feel any real rivalry. Just looked like one team - India - was possibly past it's prime, and the other didn't even feel like it belonged on the same pitch. India should feel ashamed they let Pakistan get anywhere near a win.

This is probably right. I think it’s back to a case of us fans bigging up games between a mediocre Indian team and a poor Pakistan team.

While the real quality gulf is with the western nations, especially Australia, seem to have moved ahead of us.

In T20s at least both South Asian teams seen outclassed by the firangs in terms of physicality, presence, forward thinking and game planning.

Of course I’m happy that India won. But I can’t get over the feeling that we are celebrating or ruing (as the case may be) the result of two over the hill teams fighting for table scraps.
 
Australia will humiliate this Indian team much worse than WTC and ODI World Cup final this time. It's going to be such a thrashing that even Kohli, Rohit and Jadeja won't dare look to play cricket anymore

Only way India can spring a surprise is if they accommodate Jaiswal and Rinku in the XI. Both are capable of blinders that you need against an all round superior unit like AUS in T20s.

Kohli and Rohit don't have the ability anymore, SKY is in a funk and less said about Pandya/Jadeja the better.
 
Rizwan won India the game

He won a lot of hearts too battling through injury
One thing Rizwan is really good at is acting. He should seriously try out a career in Lollywood.
 
Australia will humiliate this Indian team much worse than WTC and ODI World Cup final this time. It's going to be such a thrashing that even Kohli, Rohit and Jadeja won't dare look to play cricket anymore
The shameless these 3 are to their core, I fully expect them to torture us until booted out by BCCI.
 
Hats off to Pakistan fans for being able to post and have faith in their team despite so many average performances and humiliations.

Many would have stopped caring about cricket given Pakistan's free fall in recent years.
 
Are you kidding me? You seriously didn't expect Pakistan to win after we were bowled out for 119? Who cares how superious my team is, the point is you don't lose a T20 match after bundling the opposition for 119.
we are serious. After what US did, even after 119 a.o unless we saw “Pakistan won by x wickets” we weren’t going to celebrate.
 
So this is my thinking.

If you can't chase 120 vs India on any sort of pitch in T20, then you don't deserve to progress to next round.

However, dissecting the match, people seem fixated on the fact that Pakistan were chasing 40 off 36 balls.

However, it was really 40 off 20 balls.

The last 5 overs, India found it impossible to score and Bumrah wasn't going to let it happen either.

Pakistan messed up when they didn't decide to go for jugular by targeting at least 80-90 in first 10 for loss of 4 or 5 wickets.
Tbf you can shadab to the list as well. He gave the Indian tail which is extremly weak a respite which allowed them to reach 120. If he was even a bit of a decent bowler they could have dismissed India for 110, but this clown can't even bowl properly here.
 
How could they mess this up,? Really lucky escape for India but really poor batting from Rizwan
Lucky escape? LOL… Indian batsmen just threw away their wickets. Rohit, Kohli, Pant, Axar, and Hardik were out due to bad stroke selection rather than good balls. Only Jadeja and Surya were dismissed by good deliveries!
 
I thought India looked pretty bad to be honest. I can't see them winning this tournament either.
Even the most optimistic of Indian fans don't expect this team to win, carrying far too many has beens and hacks like Dube. India would be lucky to even get to the semis.
 
None taken.

With due respect to the Indian bowlers, bar Bumrah, they're pretty average and Pakistan team should have walked this.

Mentally the Indian team is alot better and it showed today.
. Siraj isn't average and neither is Hardik and Arshdeep.
 
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised by today's result.

I expect us to be annihilated and we weren't.

I hope Indian fans are not offended when I say that they failed to destroy this pathetic Pakistan team
Our T20 team selected for this tournament itself is pathetic. If Babar and Co. have some shame left, they need to sincerely apologise to their nation for putting up the cartoon show yesterday.
 
Its a big shame what pathetic levels Pakistan cricket has fallen to. From the legends of Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Inzamam, Saqlain Mushtaq to these bunch of losers who always bottle in crunch moments. This match should have been won within 15 overs.
Exactly what I felt and believed after we were bundled out for 119.
 
we are serious. After what US did, even after 119 a.o unless we saw “Pakistan won by x wickets” we weren’t going to celebrate.
Anomalies happens in cricket. They are not the norm. Your team lost to Bangladesh in the 1999 WC, did it mean anything in the grand scheme of things?
 
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