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No oil, gas reserves found at Kekra-1: Petroleum Division [Update Post #237]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the quest to bash the government kindly don't descend to the level of gloating that the oil and gas discovery didn't happen. That's a bit...disgraceful.</p>— Zarrar Khuhro (@ZarrarKhuhro) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZarrarKhuhro/status/1129811723844751360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PRAYERS FOR OIL: PM Khan asked nation 2 pray for oil/gas. We must. But my Q: whats being done with hundreds of billion$ of gold/copper/uranium deposits that have been found n wait 4 someone to pay attention. I know companies r ready to pay billions NOW for gold 2B taken out later</p>— SHAHEEN SEHBAI (@SSEHBAI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/SSEHBAI1/status/1129809976539668481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Pretty unprofessional and amateurish of Imran Khan and his aides to discuss this in public from the beginning without getting confirmation from the report and findings. Another list of blunders by the pti govt
 
SO our Prime Minister lied to us once again.

What a pathetic person.
 
SO our Prime Minister lied to us once again.

What a pathetic person.

Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif discovered huge iron, copper, gold and silver reserves in Chiniot and even visited the site with media for photo session what happened to the reserves? In NS words ""It is Allah´s blessing that under the lush green fields rich deposits of copper, iron and gold have been found, which will help the country get rid of the ´begging bowl´ for good"

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PM Nawaz greets nation

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif greeted the nation on the discovery of good quality copper iron and gold deposits hoping the same would go a long way in bringing prosperity to the country, APP added.

Speaking at the site on Wednesday, he said the discovery could help Pakistan´s stuttering economy turn a corner and end its "begging bowl" culture.

Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif, Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid Provincial Minister for Minerals Sher Ali, parliamentarians, representatives of Chinese Metallurgical Corporation and German consultants attended the event.

"It is Allah´s blessing that under the lush green fields rich deposits of copper, iron and gold have been found, which will help the country get rid of the ´begging bowl´ for good," Sharif said.

Conflict, instability, corruption and a chronic energy shortage have hampered Pakistan´s economy for years.

The IMF granted a $6.6-billion loan to Pakistan in September 2013 on the condition that it carry out extensive economic reforms, particularly in the energy and taxation sectors.
 
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SO our Prime Minister lied to us once again.

What a pathetic person.

Can you tell us his exacts word and we will see who is lying. Losers like you that benefitted from billions Stolen By AZ and NS are celebrating but remember Allah is the best of planners. Btw how do you feel about the trillion stolen by the PPP in Sindh
 
Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif discovered huge iron, copper, gold and silver reserves in Chiniot and even visited the site with media for photo session what happened to the reserves? In NS words ""It is Allah´s blessing that under the lush green fields rich deposits of copper, iron and gold have been found, which will help the country get rid of the ´begging bowl´ for good"

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Now that is a lie but it's halal.
 
SO our Prime Minister lied to us once again.

What a pathetic person.

When you ask people to pray it would suggest hope.

The days of corrupt people getting easy jobs, stealing peoples money to feed their families are long gone. He didn't lie about this either :)
 
why you guys making it about AZ and NS?


for once owe up to your mistakes. Even in this you are bringing in those guys/

Imran made a claim that he was oil that will be found sooner or later and he will announce it. Turns out the PM lied.

This happens when you give out premature statements jsut to make the fan club go crazy.....
 
To deflect attention from Kaptaan celebrating prematurely and misleading the leading with false promises, cult followers are making sad attempts to occupy the moral high ground by stating that this is Pakistan’s loss, not Imran Khan’s.

While this is true, we cannot really lament over something that didn’t exist in the first place. No point in crying over losing a treasure when it was not there to begin with.

The bottom-line is that yet again, Kaptaan has taken the nation for a ride with false hopes and promises. PTI’s circus continues and the humiliation doesn’t seem to end.

The government goofs up on a daily basis and cult followers are left fending for excuses, justifications and deflections.

Pointing out examples of Nawaz and co. celebrating prematurely doesn’t justify Imran doing bhangra before gathering relevant information.

From “we will bring tabdeeli”, PTI has been reduced to “Nawaz and Zardari” did the same, as if people voted for them to replicate what other parties did. It is hysterical how the mistakes of other parties are halal for PTI.

Imran has literally done the opposite of pretty much everything he said 4-5 years ago. The man has no conviction and no belief in what he says - he had no long-term plan and no long-term strategy, and his only aim was to become the PM using any means necessary.

This is one of the many, many goof-ups since coming into power.

- Showing the spine of a jellyfish in the Atif Mian case and caving under the pressure of the mullahs was an early sign that this government is just hot air.

- they went to IMF after making tall claims that they won’t. Before someone attempts to give an elementary lesson in economics to justify why they had to go to IMF, the point is that going to IMF is not the problem.

The problem is that Imran made tall claims pre-election that PTI will not go to IMF with a begging-bowl, knowing very well that it was inevitable considering our economic situation.

He was either lying and misleading the nation as usual, or he was simply clueless and showed his naivety, which is also standard procedure for him.

- He sacked Asad Umar within 8 months after championing him as an economic genius for 8 years and appointed a loudmouth duffer as Science & Tech Minister.

- They have also failed to fulfill several cheap promises as well, such as the showbaazi that they will utilize PM House etc. for public service.

- When he took a U-turn on his stance on electables, his pathetic justification was that when the leader is good, the people under him will change as well, but his theory turned out to be crap as expected.

The electables politicians, the various thugs and crooks have continues on their merry ways and Imran cannot do anything because they will threaten to leave the party.

The fake dentist, the KP Health Minister, thrashed a doctor but the “Naya and component KP police” don’t have the guts to take action against him.

This premature celebrations over finding oil reserves is nothing more than the latest goof-up by this circus government. The list is only going to grow and things are only going to get worse.

PTI could lie and spread propaganda over their performance in KP, but incompetence is harder to hide at a federal level.

I used to feel sorry for cult followers but now I don’t - they deserve this humiliation because of their blind support. Sensible PTI supporters have made peace with the fact that they are up to no good and have rightfully deserted this train wreck.
 
To deflect attention from Kaptaan celebrating prematurely and misleading the leading with false promises, cult followers are making sad attempts to occupy the moral high ground by stating that this is Pakistan’s loss, not Imran Khan’s.

While this is true, we cannot really lament over something that didn’t exist in the first place. No point in crying over losing a treasure when it was not there to begin with.

The bottom-line is that yet again, Kaptaan has taken the nation for a ride with false hopes and promises. PTI’s circus continues and the humiliation doesn’t seem to end.

The government goofs up on a daily basis and cult followers are left fending for excuses, justifications and deflections.

Pointing out examples of Nawaz and co. celebrating prematurely doesn’t justify Imran doing bhangra before gathering relevant information.

From “we will bring tabdeeli”, PTI has been reduced to “Nawaz and Zardari” did the same, as if people voted for them to replicate what other parties did. It is hysterical how the mistakes of other parties are halal for PTI.

Imran has literally done the opposite of pretty much everything he said 4-5 years ago. The man has no conviction and no belief in what he says - he had no long-term plan and no long-term strategy, and his only aim was to become the PM using any means necessary.

This is one of the many, many goof-ups since coming into power.

- Showing the spine of a jellyfish in the Atif Mian case and caving under the pressure of the mullahs was an early sign that this government is just hot air.

- they went to IMF after making tall claims that they won’t. Before someone attempts to give an elementary lesson in economics to justify why they had to go to IMF, the point is that going to IMF is not the problem.

The problem is that Imran made tall claims pre-election that PTI will not go to IMF with a begging-bowl, knowing very well that it was inevitable considering our economic situation.

He was either lying and misleading the nation as usual, or he was simply clueless and showed his naivety, which is also standard procedure for him.

- He sacked Asad Umar within 8 months after championing him as an economic genius for 8 years and appointed a loudmouth duffer as Science & Tech Minister.

- They have also failed to fulfill several cheap promises as well, such as the showbaazi that they will utilize PM House etc. for public service.

- When he took a U-turn on his stance on electables, his pathetic justification was that when the leader is good, the people under him will change as well, but his theory turned out to be crap as expected.

The electables politicians, the various thugs and crooks have continues on their merry ways and Imran cannot do anything because they will threaten to leave the party.

The fake dentist, the KP Health Minister, thrashed a doctor but the “Naya and component KP police” don’t have the guts to take action against him.

This premature celebrations over finding oil reserves is nothing more than the latest goof-up by this circus government. The list is only going to grow and things are only going to get worse.

PTI could lie and spread propaganda over their performance in KP, but incompetence is harder to hide at a federal level.

I used to feel sorry for cult followers but now I don’t - they deserve this humiliation because of their blind support. Sensible PTI supporters have made peace with the fact that they are up to no good and have rightfully deserted this train wreck.

Not another essay. You must have a hell of lot of time on your hands these days. Btw what do you think about the trillion stolen by Billo from the poor of Sindh?
 
Some strange Pakistanis , celebrating the news.

More than finding oil, it's more vital traitors are dealt with imo.
 
Some strange Pakistanis , celebrating the news.

More than finding oil, it's more vital traitors are dealt with imo.

The losers are destined to worship NS, AZ, Maryam and Billo. They knew that if PK gains their dieties lose- and from these celebrations we know who they worship.
 
Not another essay. You must have a hell of lot of time on your hands these days. Btw what do you think about the trillion stolen by Billo from the poor of Sindh?

Thanks to the mobster that Imran appointed as KP's health minister, hospitals are on strike and we are chilling at home. I hope the mobster beats someone up again so we can have more paid holidays.
 
Thanks to the mobster that Imran appointed as KP's health minister, hospitals are on strike and we are chilling at home. I hope the mobster beats someone up again so we can have more paid holidays.

But you have been writing these essays for ages. Are you saying that even on the job you were chilling as you are never off the forum. Are you picking up money from poor PK tax payers and not doing your job. That sums you up!
 
But you have been writing these essays for ages. Are you saying that even on the job you were chilling as you are never off the forum. Are you picking up money from poor PK tax payers and not doing your job. That sums you up!

I post from my phone so I come online whenever I get a few mins off. In govt. hospitals no one works round the clock. I don't deal with emergencies anymore anyway. Nevertheless, I am not here for a job appraisal - let's focus on the topic. Imran has taken the country for a ride and celebrated prematurely. We should not distract ourselves from his immaturity and naivety.
 
This hurts.

Luck not favoring Pakistan at the moment - we are in a big mess. :(
 
Thanks to the mobster that Imran appointed as KP's health minister, hospitals are on strike and we are chilling at home. I hope the mobster beats someone up again so we can have more paid holidays.

So you get paid holidays whenever something like this happens?

Who pays it? Hospital or the government?
 
So you get paid holidays whenever something like this happens?

Who pays it? Hospital or the government?

Strikes/protests happen frequently in government sectors, especially when it comes to healthcare. When there is a shutdown, the government is under obligation to compensate its workers.
 
I post from my phone so I come online whenever I get a few mins off. In govt. hospitals no one works round the clock. I don't deal with emergencies anymore anyway. Nevertheless, I am not here for a job appraisal - let's focus on the topic. Imran has taken the country for a ride and celebrated prematurely. We should not distract ourselves from his immaturity and naivety.

You are on the forum 24/7 and writing long essays. I know Docs at my local and they barely have time to go to the toilet when on duty. If you are chilling as you claim and you are on here all the time, you are not working. Isn't it strange that you accused IK of exaggeration when You don't even do your job.
 
Strikes/protests happen frequently in government sectors, especially when it comes to healthcare. When there is a shutdown, the government is under obligation to compensate its workers.
Oh okay.

Doctors do deserve an off-day, however not because of these kind of circumstances.
 
You are on the forum 24/7 and writing long essays. I know Docs at my local and they barely have time to go to the toilet when on duty. If you are chilling as you claim and you are on here all the time, you are not working. Isn't it strange that you accused IK of exaggeration when You don't even do your job.

Pakistan is not NHS. life as government worker in Pakistan is different to the West, and this is a systematic problem. No point in blaming individuals. I will only work the hours that I am designated, and I am under no obligation to put in extra hours when I am not getting paid close to what they earn in private.

Unless you are in emergency or acute medicine, if you don't even have the time to go toilet, then perhaps you need to work on time management.
 
Oh okay.

Doctors do deserve an off-day, however not because of these kind of circumstances.

The normal working hours in Pakistan are not bad and you do get days off, but this is the compensation that you get for getting paid peanuts.

The problem is that people who are in private service or do not work in Pakistan expect the public workers and civil servants in Pakistan to work like mules but then not complain about getting peanuts compared to private sector. We are public workers, not public slaves.
 
This is what YOUNG docters want, no work, free salary :)

No one wants free salary, but in public service, since you are not getting paid nearly as much as your counterparts in private, you cannot be expected to work the same long hours or have to deal with the same level of accountability. Because you are getting paid less, you do deserve compensation in other ways.

This is of course an earned privilege - the competition in public sphere is intense and you have to work hard to have a relatively stress-free life later.
 
Pakistan is not NHS. life as government worker in Pakistan is different to the West, and this is a systematic problem. No point in blaming individuals. I will only work the hours that I am designated, and I am under no obligation to put in extra hours when I am not getting paid close to what they earn in private.

Unless you are in emergency or acute medicine, if you don't even have the time to go toilet, then perhaps you need to work on time management.

So when push comes to shove, you have no desire to serve your patients, you rather write essays on a discussion forum. I bet you blame IK for that too!
 
No one wants free salary, but in public service, since you are not getting paid nearly as much as your counterparts in private, you cannot be expected to work the same long hours or have to deal with the same level of accountability. Because you are getting paid less, you do deserve compensation in other ways.

This is of course an earned privilege - the competition in public sphere is intense and you have to work hard to have a relatively stress-free life later.

I work in a state school and I work harder and longer than our colleagues in private schools.
 
I work in a state school and I work harder and longer than our colleagues in private schools.

You work in the UK, not Pakistan. If you were in Pakistan, you would not be working very hard because you will have no motivation considering your low salary. Of course, it is easy for you to claim otherwise now, but your words have no meaning because you have not proved yourself.
 
So when push comes to shove, you have no desire to serve your patients, you rather write essays on a discussion forum. I bet you blame IK for that too!

I do have a desire to do my job and that is what I do, but I have no desire to work extra hours or work like a mule. No, I don't blame Imran for it. Pakistan cannot afford to increase salaries in public sectors.
 
The normal working hours in Pakistan are not bad and you do get days off, but this is the compensation that you get for getting paid peanuts.

The problem is that people who are in private service or do not work in Pakistan expect the public workers and civil servants in Pakistan to work like mules but then not complain about getting peanuts compared to private sector. We are public workers, not public slaves.

I do not know much about the working hours in Pakistan.

But in Europe many people work for 36-40 hours a week.

And the working hours for doctors who work in hospitals is around 40-44 hours a week.
 
I do have a desire to do my job and that is what I do, but I have no desire to work extra hours or work like a mule. No, I don't blame Imran for it. Pakistan cannot afford to increase salaries in public sectors.

If you desired you can work for your fellow citizens, without reward. I know it won't give you time to write long essays but it's much more satisfying. I spent most of my Easter in School with students,didn't a get a thank you from either students ( who were actually resentful that I had them in), or parents- one of whom made a official complaint to the school because her daughter didn't want to be in during the holidays but i felt that it had to be done.
 
If you desired you can work for your fellow citizens, without reward. I know it won't give you time to write long essays but it's much more satisfying. I spent most of my Easter in School with students,didn't a get a thank you from either students ( who were actually resentful that I had them in), or parents- one of whom made a official complaint to the school because her daughter didn't want to be in during the holidays but i felt that it had to be done.

Talk is cheap. I have no desire of working harder than other in my position while getting paid less, even though I worked harder than them in school and performed better. The disparity between public sector pay and private sector pay in Pakistan is the single biggest reason why (a) public workers are less motivated and hence less productive and (b) why they are inclined towards corruption.
 
Talk is cheap. I have no desire of working harder than other in my position while getting paid less, even though I worked harder than them in school and performed better. The disparity between public sector pay and private sector pay in Pakistan is the single biggest reason why (a) public workers are less motivated and hence less productive and (b) why they are inclined towards corruption.

Pay in state schools is lower and behaviour much worse but we don't complain. It's frustrating but we carry on. Your talk the talk but you don't walk the walk.
 
Very heartbreaking to see that some "Pakistanis" are actually celebrating that no oil is found. Have a difference of opinion or political affiliation, but atleast stay loyal to the country.
 
Pay in state schools is lower and behaviour much worse but we don't complain. It's frustrating but we carry on. Your talk the talk but you don't walk the walk.

You still earn decent enough to live a good life in the UK. Thankfully I don't need to work a single day to live a life of luxury, because if I was dependent on my salary, my standard of living would be very low now. However, I am going to work in proportion to what I earn, and I am under no obligation to work as hard as those in private for less money.

You can say what you want and you are free to judge, but I am not going to sit here, make tall claims and praise myself. I can easily lie about how hard I work because no one can verify it either way. If anything, you should appreciate the fact that I am honest.
 
Talk is cheap. I have no desire of working harder than other in my position while getting paid less, even though I worked harder than them in school and performed better. The disparity between public sector pay and private sector pay in Pakistan is the single biggest reason why (a) public workers are less motivated and hence less productive and (b) why they are inclined towards corruption.

Federal govt employees perhaps get govt benefits that private sector employees don't unless you really rise to the middle and top. In the Federal govt your pension is equivalent to your final paycheque whereas in the pvt sector all you get is a provident fund and your savings, investments. Pros and Cons of both.

In Canada landing a Federal government job is like winning the lottery, not in terms of money but the benefits and job security along with chill working hours. I know a few people who were studying a masters program while working part time in a federal govt job but the moment they became permanent they dropped out of college and that's it, never looked back
 
Federal govt employees perhaps get govt benefits that private sector employees don't unless you really rise to the middle and top. In the Federal govt your pension is equivalent to your final paycheque whereas in the pvt sector all you get is a provident fund and your savings, investments. Pros and Cons of both.

In Canada landing a Federal government job is like winning the lottery, not in terms of money but the benefits and job security along with chill working hours. I know a few people who were studying a masters program while working part time in a federal govt job but the moment they became permanent they dropped out of college and that's it, never looked back

When you retire at 60, what good is is your pension anyway? Sure you will live comfortably in your last 10, 15 or 20 years before you die, but you spent the prime of your life earning peanuts and not saving anything. In private, you don't have pension, but you usually save enough money during your career that the pension of public sector is hardly an attraction.

Sure there are certain benefits and privileges that come with government service, but they are no substitutes for money. If I cannot afford to send my kids to the best schools or if I cannot afford to maintain a high standard of living, what good are those privileges for?

Honestly speaking, my main motivation of getting into public service was to have a relatively stress-free career. Since I don't have financial problems, why should I work like a mule in private sector and not be able to pursue my other interests.
 
Talk is cheap. I have no desire of working harder than other in my position while getting paid less, even though I worked harder than them in school and performed better. The disparity between public sector pay and private sector pay in Pakistan is the single biggest reason why (a) public workers are less motivated and hence less productive and (b) why they are inclined towards corruption.

When you retire at 60, what good is is your pension anyway? Sure you will live comfortably in your last 10, 15 or 20 years before you die, but you spent the prime of your life earning peanuts and not saving anything. In private, you don't have pension, but you usually save enough money during your career that the pension of public sector is hardly an attraction.

Sure there are certain benefits and privileges that come with government service, but they are no substitutes for money. If I cannot afford to send my kids to the best schools or if I cannot afford to maintain a high standard of living, what good are those privileges for?

Honestly speaking, my main motivation of getting into public service was to have a relatively stress-free career. Since I don't have financial problems, why should I work like a mule in private sector and not be able to pursue my other interests.

My mother worked in the gynae dept at Jinnah in Karachi all her life. Her working hours were from 9-2 and being required to visit during emergency situations which junior staff couldn't handle.

She used to supplement her income by doing private clinics in 3-4 private hospitals in Karachi in the evenings for 2-3 hours daily.

Things at Jinnah got really bad in 2010 once control passed from the federal to the provincial govt.
 
Things at Jinnah got really bad in 2010 once control passed from the federal to the provincial govt.

Thanks to 18th amendment health,education etc was given to provinces and there is a reason PPP was still able to do all the looting at this level without sitting in federal.
 
My mother worked in the gynae dept at Jinnah in Karachi all her life. Her working hours were from 9-2 and being required to visit during emergency situations which junior staff couldn't handle.

She used to supplement her income by doing private clinics in 3-4 private hospitals in Karachi in the evenings for 2-3 hours daily.

Things at Jinnah got really bad in 2010 once control passed from the federal to the provincial govt.

8 to 2 or 9 to 2 are standard working hours and I have the same. Yes most doctors and up doing private practice where they earn a lot, but it comes at a cost. You have no life outside your work. Frankly I have no desire for working all day long when I don't need the money. I am very satisfied with working for 5-6 hrs per day and giving time to my other indulgences.

Another issue with private practice is that it takes quite a while before you can establish your name and attract patients. People are usually hesitant when it comes to seeing new doctors, and you have to be patient and slowly and gradually build your reputation.
 
8 to 2 or 9 to 2 are standard working hours and I have the same. Yes most doctors and up doing private practice where they earn a lot, but it comes at a cost. You have no life outside your work. Frankly I have no desire for working all day long when I don't need the money. I am very satisfied with working for 5-6 hrs per day and giving time to my other indulgences.

Another issue with private practice is that it takes quite a while before you can establish your name and attract patients. People are usually hesitant when it comes to seeing new doctors, and you have to be patient and slowly and gradually build your reputation.

I learnt and am learning the hard way. Things can change at any time in life even if a person is from a well to do family and where it looks at the moment that you dont need to work hard, punish yourself to make extra money you don't need at the moment.

In the space of one year my mother's Parkinson's has progressed so rapidly, now my dad and me both have had to introspect and reassess our priorities. My dad now is contemplating retiring much earlier than he planned or wanted too.

Even though he keeps telling me that he doesn't want me to worry about my mom and that i should actually to the contrary be more respectful of their privacy and need for elbow room. But i have now myself reassessed my own long term plans in terms of definately living as close as possible to my parents, getting more involved in their lives, I am now applying for federal govt jobs in Canada so that I can stop working long punishing hours in public accounting and deep down I know I can't take my dad being responsible for my mother's care for granted in the long run.

Anyways, my point is two things I have realized, first life is very unpredictable and sickness, health can or cannot be controlled or predicated after a certain point. Secondly the time to really work hard and hussle is when you are young in your 20's and early 30's.
 
You are on the forum 24/7 and writing long essays. I know Docs at my local and they barely have time to go to the toilet when on duty. If you are chilling as you claim and you are on here all the time, you are not working. Isn't it strange that you accused IK of exaggeration when You don't even do your job.

Honestly coming on PP is worth it for reading your epic pwange of Mamoon and others everyday :))
 
My understanding is that there are updates on this. The non-discovery doesn’t seem to be the final word
 
8 to 2 or 9 to 2 are standard working hours and I have the same. Yes most doctors and up doing private practice where they earn a lot, but it comes at a cost. You have no life outside your work. Frankly I have no desire for working all day long when I don't need the money. I am very satisfied with working for 5-6 hrs per day and giving time to my other indulgences.

Another issue with private practice is that it takes quite a while before you can establish your name and attract patients. People are usually hesitant when it comes to seeing new doctors, and you have to be patient and slowly and gradually build your reputation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7h382TfIWM
 
Very heartbreaking to see that some "Pakistanis" are actually celebrating that no oil is found. Have a difference of opinion or political affiliation, but atleast stay loyal to the country.

Some pakistanis are just like you. They change opinions every single day. They want certain cricketers to fail without thinking that it will ultimately hurt the whole team. Just like that they are celebrating Imran «failed» without thinking that it will actually hurt the country in the longer run. You should recognize yourself in this situation.
 

It was a naive statement from IK, let's be honest. Obviously he didn't lie, the only people who think he lied are those who are used to growing up in a culture of lying and deceit so they won't believe you can get anywhere without being dishonest.

Imran was badly advised on this one I believe, hopefully he will learn from this to keep his counsel until the facts have been verified beyond doubt. He's a patriot and wants to provide good news to the nation, but it can backfire if it falls through.
 
Imran should have kept noise on this low, but O well he likes being positive...just part of his personality so it's alright :)

Imran focus on PPP and Noon league choors. Forget drilling. Get the looters behind bars and get the billions from them back! Amount of money these choors have lotafied, it will be worth a lot more than any reserve :zardari2
 
Premature announcement by Imran. He is going to get alot of flak by the opposition now. He should fire the person who advised him about this.
 
I see that a lot of PTI supporters instead of accepting the PM's mistake are now in a pursuit to find "traitors" (the ones who are supposedly enjoying this news) within the borders to first deal with. Trust me - no Pakistani would be rejoicing over this news atm. and criticizing the ruling party is not equal to antinationalism.

Some of you guys sound so much like the bhagts out here. Don't tread this path fellaws!
 
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I see that a lot of PTI supporters instead of accepting the PM's mistake are now in a pursuit to find "traitors" (the ones who are supposedly enjoying this news) within the borders to first deal with. Trust me - no Pakistani would be rejoicing over this news atm. and criticizing the ruling party is not equal to antinationalism.

Some of you guys sound so much like the bhagts out here. Don't tread this path fellaws!

No one is celebrating? - just go on any forum or social media or on here and you see the true face of these criminals. They feared that if any gas/oil is found their family businesses would be finished.
 
No one wants free salary, but in public service, since you are not getting paid nearly as much as your counterparts in private, you cannot be expected to work the same long hours or have to deal with the same level of accountability. Because you are getting paid less, you do deserve compensation in other ways.

This is of course an earned privilege - the competition in public sphere is intense and you have to work hard to have a relatively stress-free life later.

This is the best justification a govt servant can give when he is out of reach from bribes & undertable money. Govt paying us a little so we are on right to work less. And to me this is a type of bribe.
Govt employees can not do the comparison with private workers & with the the amount of work they do. Ask this a private doctor, he will tell you that he is paying more because he works hard and yes private doctors do the jobs at atleast 4 & 5 places & some even from dawn to night.

You selected govt job bcz you are financially stable and don not want to work. What you are being paid for not working is haram, it is a tax money of poor pakistanis on which peoples like you do the ayashi.

Going through on your essays on corrupt military and on some corrupt politicians, I thought you are sane person, but today I came to know that you are from the same lot. IF you are not taking bribes then it doesnt mean that you dont like it, its mean you dont have chances to earn unlawful money if you were someone like accountant or store keeper of the same hospital then you will never let the chance of rishwat.
 
This is the best justification a govt servant can give when he is out of reach from bribes & undertable money. Govt paying us a little so we are on right to work less. And to me this is a type of bribe.
Govt employees can not do the comparison with private workers & with the the amount of work they do. Ask this a private doctor, he will tell you that he is paying more because he works hard and yes private doctors do the jobs at atleast 4 & 5 places & some even from dawn to night.

You selected govt job bcz you are financially stable and don not want to work. What you are being paid for not working is haram, it is a tax money of poor pakistanis on which peoples like you do the ayashi.

Going through on your essays on corrupt military and on some corrupt politicians, I thought you are sane person, but today I came to know that you are from the same lot. IF you are not taking bribes then it doesnt mean that you dont like it, its mean you dont have chances to earn unlawful money if you were someone like accountant or store keeper of the same hospital then you will never let the chance of rishwat.

Adding to this post i also have a question for [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. As you mentioned earlier you don't need money and have no motivation do more work because the salary is low so why not quit the job because you are blocking the way of someone more deserving when you don't need this job and you are well settled. Maybe 50k or 70k whatever your salary is not enough for you but there are people out there in Pakistan who will say thanks for being paid this much because they are not rich and some of them will even do more work in less money.

Mamoon your last few posts in this thread about being paid less (by your standards) also gives us the idea why you defend corruption.
 
I guess it's time to stop bashing Police for taking bribes in Pakistan because they deserve it more thn anyone. Their salaries are far less duties are far tough, there are no weekends/sundays for them and they can be called to duty any hour of the day even eids (for doctors it's only the one serving in emergencies).
 
Why are people doubting companies like Exxon Mobil’s simulations and discoveries. Yes there was no oil discovered from one area after repeated attempts but that’s very common in oil and gas industry (I work in one). After years of navigation and mapping, you find one good reserve and decide to sanction drilling there. This is absolutely common. No need to panic. I am not a govt apologist but I am just speaking from my experience.

Take the media news with a pinch of salt. Besides people don’t really remember that it was nawaz sharif in jail who said that “oil discoveries happened during our term”. Exxon Mobil and ENI hve mapped the offshore sindh and Balochistan area over 30 years ago. There is both oil and gas reserve there. I remember there was a news few years ago that an earthquake in Balochistan cause a natural eruption in an offshore area that gave birth to a temporary island. That is the biggest evidence there is massive gas there.

So get behind your govt for a change and pray that these international companies discover the massive well they have mapped over the years.
 
Waste of money more than anything else which could have gone into better things like into the pockets of many ministers around the country who just run their mouths like motors doing zilch for the country and the poor.
 
Waste of money more than anything else which could have gone into better things like into the pockets of many ministers around the country who just run their mouths like motors doing zilch for the country and the poor.

If i am not wrong more thn half of the investment came from foreign companies. They were interested to throw money in drilling i don't think they were interested to give that money for anything else. $90-$100 millions were spent.
 
Adding to this post i also have a question for [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. As you mentioned earlier you don't need money and have no motivation do more work because the salary is low so why not quit the job because you are blocking the way of someone more deserving when you don't need this job and you are well settled. Maybe 50k or 70k whatever your salary is not enough for you but there are people out there in Pakistan who will say thanks for being paid this much because they are not rich and some of them will even do more work in less money.

Mamoon your last few posts in this thread about being paid less (by your standards) also gives us the idea why you defend corruption.

Doesn't want to work, spends all his time on here and picks up a salary and then accuses the military of Corruption, defends the PPP and Nooras who have the same attitude and attacks a PM who works 14 hours a day. I bet halal is not a word used by him very often.
 
Talk is cheap. I have no desire of working harder than other in my position while getting paid less, even though I worked harder than them in school and performed better. The disparity between public sector pay and private sector pay in Pakistan is the single biggest reason why (a) public workers are less motivated and hence less productive and (b) why they are inclined towards corruption.

Would this also justify Amir's decision to spot fix? Pakistan's cricketers get paid much less than their International counterparts.
 
Would this also justify Amir's decision to spot fix? Pakistan's cricketers get paid much less than their International counterparts.

And also this should justify if the players from poor country teams don't want to work hard because they are paid far less thn teams like India, Australia, England. It's time we stop bashing players for poor performance if they are not being paid well.
 
8 to 2 or 9 to 2 are standard working hours and I have the same. Yes most doctors and up doing private practice where they earn a lot, but it comes at a cost. You have no life outside your work. Frankly I have no desire for working all day long when I don't need the money. I am very satisfied with working for 5-6 hrs per day and giving time to my other indulgences.

Another issue with private practice is that it takes quite a while before you can establish your name and attract patients. People are usually hesitant when it comes to seeing new doctors, and you have to be patient and slowly and gradually build your reputation.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Doctors doing private practice work longer hours, have tougher job requirements, because of which they are more competent and get paid more. Doctors working standard hours at a snail pace in public practice aren't good enough and consequently get paid less.

Similarly, people working in public places in a country like Pakistan work less and have an easier life. Hence the lower pay check. They should be the last ones complaining about lower salaries and especially justifying corruption. Should just take what they are getting for the little work they do.
 
As a management consultant, I get paid 4x my friend who works in the post office (government job).

He works 7 hours a day while I put in 16 hours a day at times. I travel more, make way more sacrifices. I have lunch on my desk. He on the other hand, goes for a 2 hour-long lunch when there are 20 people standing in the queue for his services. Those people stand tirelessly. No digital services, not even tokens to allow them to sit. My firm single mindedly focuses on giving the best possible service to its clients.

Should he be allowed to take bribes because he is getting paid less?
 
I find this argument funny that govt gives less salaries so people don't like working hard. Well Teachers in Govt Schoolsof Pakistan are getting better salaries with privileges thn the one in private schools and guess what still the one working in private schools are giving better output.
 
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Doctors doing private practice work longer hours, have tougher job requirements, because of which they are more competent and get paid more. Doctors working standard hours at a snail pace in public practice aren't good enough and consequently get paid less.

Similarly, people working in public places in a country like Pakistan work less and have an easier life. Hence the lower pay check. They should be the last ones complaining about lower salaries and especially justifying corruption. Should just take what they are getting for the little work they do.

I am not complaining about the low salary, and I am not interested in private practice because I don't need the extra money at the expense of not having a life. I don't want to swim in cash when I am working 12 hours a day even on Sundays. My point is that since government officers are paid much less than their private counterparts, you cannot expect them to work the same hours and be subjected to the same level of accountability.

In Pakistan, you don't need high grades to get into private medical schools, and then these doctors end up working long hours in private hospitals and thus get paid more as well. However, you cannot compare their competences to the doctors who qualified from public medical colleges and work in public hospitals.

As far as corruption is concerned, it is a systematic problem. Most people working in the public sector are not from financially strong backgrounds and are reliant on their salaries. It is easy for people in the private sector to judge them for their corruption, but if they put themselves in their shoes, it is often very difficult to stay clear of taking some cuts every now and then.
 
I find this argument funny that govt gives less salaries so people don't like working hard. Well Teachers in Govt Schoolsof Pakistan are getting better salaries with privileges thn the one in private schools and guess what still the one working in private schools are giving better output.

Oh bhai, my working hours are from 8 or 9 am to 2 pm, and very occasionally to I have to work in the evenings when there is some special case that requires extra attention. Why should I work beyond my designated hours? I am not a khudai khidmatgar.

The problem with people is that they take public workers for granted. We are not slaves. The outburst by doctors in KP over the last few days has been coming for a long time.
 
Doesn't want to work, spends all his time on here and picks up a salary and then accuses the military of Corruption, defends the PPP and Nooras who have the same attitude and attacks a PM who works 14 hours a day. I bet halal is not a word used by him very often.


I work from 8 am/9 am to 2 pm, which are my official working hours. That is why I most more frequently in the evenings and at night when I'm home. If you have issues with this, you should perhaps write to our PM and advise him to increase the working hrs of doctors in public hospitals.
 
Adding to this post i also have a question for [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. As you mentioned earlier you don't need money and have no motivation do more work because the salary is low so why not quit the job because you are blocking the way of someone more deserving when you don't need this job and you are well settled. Maybe 50k or 70k whatever your salary is not enough for you but there are people out there in Pakistan who will say thanks for being paid this much because they are not rich and some of them will even do more work in less money.

Mamoon your last few posts in this thread about being paid less (by your standards) also gives us the idea why you defend corruption.

Those people who are more needy than me and others should have worked hard in school and earned their place. Their incompetence is not our responsibility.
 
This is the best justification a govt servant can give when he is out of reach from bribes & undertable money. Govt paying us a little so we are on right to work less. And to me this is a type of bribe.
Govt employees can not do the comparison with private workers & with the the amount of work they do. Ask this a private doctor, he will tell you that he is paying more because he works hard and yes private doctors do the jobs at atleast 4 & 5 places & some even from dawn to night.

You selected govt job bcz you are financially stable and don not want to work. What you are being paid for not working is haram, it is a tax money of poor pakistanis on which peoples like you do the ayashi.

Going through on your essays on corrupt military and on some corrupt politicians, I thought you are sane person, but today I came to know that you are from the same lot. IF you are not taking bribes then it doesnt mean that you dont like it, its mean you dont have chances to earn unlawful money if you were someone like accountant or store keeper of the same hospital then you will never let the chance of rishwat.

People who are not in a position to do corruption have no credibility when it comes to their anti-corruption stance. If you are working in the private sector or if you are working overseas, I don't think you have the right to judge government workers in Pakistan for corruption.

Everyone can claim the moral high ground and argue that they are not corruptible when they are not in a position of power. Corruption will always exist in the public sector in Pakistan as long as the salaries are not comparable to the private sector.
 
I guess it's time to stop bashing Police for taking bribes in Pakistan because they deserve it more thn anyone. Their salaries are far less duties are far tough, there are no weekends/sundays for them and they can be called to duty any hour of the day even eids (for doctors it's only the one serving in emergencies).

Of course. Do you think an ASP or an SSP can live a good life on their salaries? On top of that, they are risking their lives and working round the clock. They are fully justified to take bribes in my view.
 
People who are not in a position to do corruption have no credibility when it comes to their anti-corruption stance. If you are working in the private sector or if you are working overseas, I don't think you have the right to judge government workers in Pakistan for corruption.

Everyone can claim the moral high ground and argue that they are not corruptible when they are not in a position of power. Corruption will always exist in the public sector in Pakistan as long as the salaries are not comparable to the private sector.

I was expecting a strong reply from you, but your answer shows how much week you are inside. You only have a little margin of corruption i-e you are not giving time against what you are being paid and you are capitalizing it to the maximum. So its clear that if you will sit in the treasury office you will not let the chance of financial corruption go.
 
I was expecting a strong reply from you, but your answer shows how much week you are inside. You only have a little margin of corruption i-e you are not giving time against what you are being paid and you are capitalizing it to the maximum. So its clear that if you will sit in the treasury office you will not let the chance of financial corruption go.

I work as much as I am supposed to, i.e. my designated working hours. Why should I work overtime when I am not getting paid extra?

It doesn't matter whether you expected a strong reply - I am not going to sit here and make tall claims that if I have the chance to do corruption, I will be strong enough to say no. Most of us are not so strong or honourable.

Perhaps you are, but unless you can prove that you have worked in public service and didn't do corruption when you had the chance to do so, your anti-corruption stance and morality means nothing. It is easy to talk when you are not in a position of power.
 
I work as much as I am supposed to, i.e. my designated working hours. Why should I work overtime when I am not getting paid extra?

It doesn't matter whether you expected a strong reply - I am not going to sit here and make tall claims that if I have the chance to do corruption, I will be strong enough to say no. Most of us are not so strong or honourable.

Perhaps you are, but unless you can prove that you have worked in public service and didn't do corruption when you had the chance to do so, your anti-corruption stance and morality means nothing. It is easy to talk when you are not in a position of power.

You don't even work when you should be, you are always on here 24/7.
 
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