No Trust Motion against PM Imran Khan dismissed, President dismisses the National Assembly

[Syed1]

Not sure about Pakistani constitution, but in India and Britain, we vote for the MP, not the party. So if an MP defects, he simply takes his seat with him.

You’ll remember the Change UK defections in 2019, a another Tory to Lib Dem defection last year. Neither led to a by-election

In Pakistan MNA and MPA cannot 'defect' they have to first resign then run for fresh elections from the platform of the party they want to join. This makes sense as people voted for MNA/MPA because he belonged to a certain party then how can any MNA/MPA out of their own violation disregard the people's vote and join some other party.

 

[AMSS]

I am still puzzled at the enthusiasm among IK's supporters.

I think he was at his peak popularity in 2018 and failed to get a simple majority, forget 2/3rd sweep. This happened while the establishment tacitly approved his campaign.

Now I get the mileage IK could possibly get holding himself out as a political martyr. But the awaam under him has also witnessed unchecked inflation and shortages of staples like sugar. wheat etc.

So what makes his support base confident of sweeping the elections especially with the army not exactly backing his campaign this time around? I mean, of course, it's possible the army might once again back him based on deals and other developments. But if they don't, then what? IK is still certain to overcome a united coalition?

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Not sure about Pakistani constitution, but in India and Britain, we vote for the MP, not the party. So if an MP defects, he simply takes his seat with him.

You’ll remember the Change UK defections in 2019, a another Tory to Lib Dem defection last year. Neither led to a by-election

It was the same in Pakistan this was amendment added to the constitution by PML and PPP when they were in power previously as people were voting for other parties. Here most people also stand on multiple seats like IK stood for and won I think 6+ seats.

 

[Syed1]

I am still puzzled at the enthusiasm among IK's supporters.

I think he was at his peak popularity in 2018 and failed to get a simple majority, forget 2/3rd sweep. This happened while the establishment tacitly approved his campaign.

Now I get the mileage IK could possibly get holding himself out as a political martyr. But the awaam under him has also witnessed unchecked inflation and shortages of staples like sugar. wheat etc.

So what makes his support base confident of sweeping the elections especially with the army not exactly backing his campaign this time around? I mean, of course, it's possible the army might once again back him based on deals and other developments. But if they don't, then what? IK is still certain to overcome a united coalition?

IK's popularity is through the roof these days. He has never been this popular. Last week a million plus gathered in the capital just on IK's call. A couple of days ago PTI sweeped local body elections in KPK winning more than 2/3 of the seats.


Lastly Indians should not comment on things they don't know about.

 

[JaDed]

The opposition and deflectors got trapped , plain and simple , they should just accept it and go for elections where IK already has done all the work lol.

 

[Bewal Express]

The opposition and deflectors got trapped , plain and simple , they should just accept it and go for elections where IK already has done all the work lol.

You can see the likes of [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] dont want to go for elections. They are scared of the awaam. Kaptaan needs to make his whole campaign with the simple slogan- Patriots v Puppets

 

[Couch Cricketer]

I am still puzzled at the enthusiasm among IK's supporters.

I think he was at his peak popularity in 2018 and failed to get a simple majority, forget 2/3rd sweep. This happened while the establishment tacitly approved his campaign.

Now I get the mileage IK could possibly get holding himself out as a political martyr. But the awaam under him has also witnessed unchecked inflation and shortages of staples like sugar. wheat etc.

So what makes his support base confident of sweeping the elections especially with the army not exactly backing his campaign this time around? I mean, of course, it's possible the army might once again back him based on deals and other developments. But if they don't, then what? IK is still certain to overcome a united coalition?

Establishment wanted IK in power but not get 2/3 majority so they could control him it was the reason PMLN the election reporting system went down at the end pmln won some seats. Otherwise pti wold not have needed mqm and pmlq to form government. This is the reason I do not like the people that are pro civilian supremacy movement as well as support PMLN and PPP as most of them look at weakening the armed forces rather than increasing the strength of the political and judicial system. Electronic voting machine do not suit the establishment or the other political parties as once they actually are dependent on people vote they will need to deliver and govern properly.

 

[Syed1]

With PTI's support sky high at the moment I believe IK will get 2/3 majority in the upcoming elections. The opposition has nothing to sell and people are no longer willing to accept corrupt dynasties.


Pakistan is slowly gravitating towards single party system. Bangladesh has also achieved that and India is well on the way to it too (albeit the party in India is turning the face of India from a secular, democratic country to a Hindu Rashtra). I believe South Asia is slowly breaking the shackles of the British provided form of government which really isn't feasible for our region and people. Had it been feasible South Asia would have achieved prosperity a few decades ago. Chinese model is the extreme version of single party system but it is the most effective... I believe South Asia will land somewhere in the middle of Chinese and British models with one party having overwhelming support but other smaller minor parties also around to play token opposition.

 

[Arsal_AK]

I am still puzzled at the enthusiasm among IK's supporters.

I think he was at his peak popularity in 2018 and failed to get a simple majority, forget 2/3rd sweep. This happened while the establishment tacitly approved his campaign.

Now I get the mileage IK could possibly get holding himself out as a political martyr. But the awaam under him has also witnessed unchecked inflation and shortages of staples like sugar. wheat etc.

So what makes his support base confident of sweeping the elections especially with the army not exactly backing his campaign this time around? I mean, of course, it's possible the army might once again back him based on deals and other developments. But if they don't, then what? IK is still certain to overcome a united coalition?

The election is not going to be on inflation only. It's going to be on patriotism, foreign involvement, the coming together of everyone against Imran (which he has been saying for ages and the idiots in the opposition have made his predictions come true, he will now go and say I told you so, what more do you need) plus the genuinely great things PTI has done and delivered on. We have a working a proper foreign policy, PTI has created more jobs than the other two previous governments and that too in a pandemic, the exemplary work in the said pandemic will also be a talking point. And most importantly their work on health, that is a true game changer.

PTI has more than enough amo for the elections. The local body elections in KPK recently are an indicator, PTI destroyed the competition in areas where they are quite weak, after losing a few months ago in areas where they are strong. The 180 turn here and the huge crowds at PTI rallies recently, both show that what Imran is saying is working. This will be even more evident when we go to the whole country.

 

[Firebat]

Seems they held their vote anyway

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Opposition passes no-confidence motion against Imran Khan with 179 votes

A majority numbers of members National Assembly (MNAs) have passed the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan to remove him from power in a National Assembly session convened by the opposition parties on their own shortly after Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri adjourned the proceedings following his ruling on the no-confidence motion, which he said was being dismissed under Article 5 of the constitution.

When the deputy speaker hurriedly gave his ruling, the opposition MNAs — numbering well above the simple majority of 172 required to remove prime minister or elect a new one — protested against the ruling and termed it unconstitutional.

Shortly after the deputy speaker and PTI MNAs had left, the lights in the National Assembly hall were turned on again, and the opposition started its own session.

Former NA speaker and PML-N leader Ayaz Sadiq took over the Speaker’s chair and conducted the proceedings.

Video clips, taken by mobile phones, show when Sadiq sits in the speaker’s chair all opposition members welcome him and chant slogans, thumping their desk.

The video clips show an assembly hall full of MNAs, though the treasury benches remain empty.

Shehbaz Sharif, PML-N president and Opposition leader addressed the opposition session and blasted the conduct of the deputy speaker.

The National Assembly then held a voting on the no-confidence motion, submitted on March 8 and tabled on March 28 in the National Assembly, against Prime Minister Imran Khan.

Ayaz Sadiq announced that a total of 179 MNAs had voted in support of the no-confidence motion. This did not include his own vote as he was acting as speaker, he said.

“179 members voted in favour of the motion. Mr. Imran Khan ceases to be the prime minister of Pakistan,” Ayaz Sadiq announce.

The MNAs stood in their chair to vote in support of the motion, instead of observing the traditional process of voting by passing through assembly hall’s doors.

Ayaz Sadiq also ruled that the proceedings on the no-confidence motion against NA Speaker Asad Qaiser will be held at 4pm on Wednesday, April 6. The opposition had submitted the no-trust motion against Qaiser on Sunday.

He then adjourned the opposition session.

During the opposition’s session the National Assembly staff initially refused to switch on mics, which were then turned on.

The galleries of the National Assembly were full of people.

The NA session was seen with keen interest by many quarters, including deputy speaker Qasim Suri, who retweeted a video of the session, captioning it, ” Beggars can’t be choosers.”

https://www.samaaenglish.tv/news/20...nce-motion-against-imran-khan-with-179-votes/

 

[Sidilicious]

In Pakistan MNA and MPA cannot 'defect' they have to first resign then run for fresh elections from the platform of the party they want to join. This makes sense as people voted for MNA/MPA because he belonged to a certain party then how can any MNA/MPA out of their own violation disregard the people's vote and join some other party.

Then surely the result of the no confidence motion would have been void if it was passed due to the support of the defectors.

There was not much to worry in the first place.

 

[gazza619]

Thank you to the opposition mafias for awakening the PTI voter. I had lost all faith and confidence in PTI but now I backing them again in full flow.

 

[Firebat]

PM Imran Khan to remain in power for next 15 days: Sheikh Rasheed

After the drama in the National Assembly, former interior minister Sheikh Rasheed claimed on Sunday that PM Imran Khan may cling on to power for another 15 days.

In a statement, the former security czar of the country said that the general elections in the country would not be held via electronic voting machines. He added that the Opposition should be happy that the technology is not being used in the next general elections.

“I met the PM and I think Imran Khan will remain PM for 15 more days,” said Rasheed, adding that he was constantly saying that elections were the right way forward.

On PM Imran Khan's advice, President Arif Alvi approved the dissolution of the National Assembly on Prime Imran Khan’s advice in a surprise move.

This major political development came shortly after NA Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri rejected voting on the no-confidence motion against PM Imran Khan, calling it "unconstitutional".

An official notification dissolving the Assembly has been issued. According to sources, elections will be held within 90 days.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/409315-pm-imran-khan-to-remain-in-power-for-next-15-days-sheikh-rasheed

 

[Pakpak]

Man I'm amazed at this brilliant move.


He got NSC (the establishment basically) to first endorse the 'letter' as a foreign conspiracy and then used that to get the speaker to dismiss the No Confidence Motion. On top of that even though speaker rulings cannot be questioned in court, even if SC asks questions PTI can respond that even NSC endorsed there is a foreign conspiracy. Wow wow wow


Well played Imran Khan

Difference between an Oxford Graduate, an all time great sportsman who won against all odds, and then a politician who did it against all odds.

Versus Kuggoo who has to read from a parchi during meetings with other leaders and kaapein taang rahi hain

 

[Arsal_AK]

Then surely the result of the no confidence motion would have been void if it was passed due to the support of the defectors.

There was not much to worry in the first place.

No, it won't have been. That is why PTI had to resort to this. The opposition parties got the government allies with them. That gives them the majority in the house. MQM is particular with its 6-7 seats shifted the balance to the opposition.

The only thing that gives what PTI did any weight is the foreign interference angle, which got backed by the national security council thus giving it even more importance. That's why I don't think, the Supreme Court will go against the call for early elections.

 

[Major]

If article 6 is proven in this case, imran cant even stand in the next election his politcal career would end here.

The traitor pm lust for power may have shot himself

 

[Major]

I have one question, if this is a valid constitutional move, then every time a govt faces a VONC they will ask the speaker, who invariably is from the ruling side to dismiss the motion.

So why even keep the VONC rule?

This is where pti did an own goal on themselves ...

If article 6 is proven, imran khan would be branded as a traitor along with deputy speak and they could be given death sentence.

Pti acted dumb here, even the cjp didnt expect this buffonary by pti

 

[Syed1]

If article 6 is proven in this case, imran cant even stand in the next election his politcal career would end here.

The traitor pm lust for power may have shot himself

I know it's been a tough day for you. You depict a picture of that Mauqa Mauqa guy from the brilliant Star Sports ad.


Don't worry agli vari fir Niazi

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Even if the Court says this was unconstitutional the no confidence vote has to be held in 7 days so now it cant be held anyway from what I understand so IK and Pti has won no matter what happens. Its funny how they saying democracy is being destroyed by going for elections

 

[Major]

Even if the Court says this was unconstitutional the no confidence vote has to be held in 7 days so now it cant be held anyway from what I understand so IK and Pti has won no matter what happens. Its funny how they saying democracy is being destroyed by going for elections

If court says it was unconstitutional that means imran comitted treason. He would not be allowed to stand in election and would have court proceedings against him. Article 6 would be invoked

 

[Syed1]

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Petition to immediately reinstate no confidence motion denied. SC will now hear the case tomorrow.

 

[Syed1]

Lmao CJ further smashing opposition

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">اسمبلی کی کارروائی میں ایک حد تک مداخلت کر سکتے ہیں، چیف جسٹس عمر عطا بندیال</p>— Abbas Shabbir (@Abbasshabbir72) <a href="https://twitter.com/Abbasshabbir72/status/1510607106990301191?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am still puzzled at the enthusiasm among IK's supporters.

Quite simply, it's beyond politics. It's about the man and his principles. I feared he would have been assassinated by now, but I think even the Americans would be scared to touch him now.

 

[OneManShow]

If court says it was unconstitutional that means imran comitted treason. He would not be allowed to stand in election and would have court proceedings against him. Article 6 would be invoked

Kya hua? Kampein tang rahi gain?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

This move will probably be declared unconstitutional by the SC. However its still a good move by IK because his base wants him to fight to the last ball. This should delay his ouster by a few weeks if not longer.

And for those people who are saying IK and the speaker have committed Treason and violated Article 6 have most likely never read Article 6.

Article 6

“Any person who abrogates or subverts or suspends or holds in abeyance, or attempts or conspires to abrogate or subvert or suspend or hold in abeyance, the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by any other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.”

IK has not done any of the above. He has motioned to have the assemblies dissolved which means he is giving up his seat. And the people will decide who wins the next election. Article 6 does not apply.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Quite simply, it's beyond politics. It's about the man and his principles. I feared he would have been assassinated by now, but I think even the Americans would be scared to touch him now.

Whatever has happened, whatever will happen. One thing is for sure. He is a wall. A brave character.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If court says it was unconstitutional that means imran comitted treason. He would not be allowed to stand in election and would have court proceedings against him. Article 6 would be invoked

Clutching at broken straws now lol

Treason was the aim of Bilo & crooked friends as confirmed by the speaker .

It’s time to run bro . It’s best for all corrupt thieves to do a nawaz . When Imran wins majority , jails & ropes will be bilos dreams .

I hope you’re ok . It’s never too late to change .

Don’t mess with Pakistan & Imran again …

 

[Syed1]

This move will probably be declared unconstitutional by the SC. However its still a good move by IK because his base wants him to fight to the last ball. This should delay his ouster by a few weeks if not longer.

And for those people who are saying IK and the speaker have committed Treason and violated Article 6 have most likely never read Article 6.

Article 6



IK has not done any of the above. He has motioned to have the assemblies dissolved which means he is giving up his seat. And the people will decide who wins the next election. Article 6 does not apply.

PTI minister of state for information who was in the court room

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">*سپریم کورٹ نے سپیکر کی رولنگ پر عارضی حکم امتنا کی استدعا مسترد کردی۔ <br>روزہ افطار کرے اور آئندہ انتخابات کی تیاری کرے۔ فیصلہ پاکستان کی عوام کو کرنے دے۔ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C_%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%B4_%D9%86%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#بیرونی_سازش_ناکام</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%81_%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%85_%DA%A9%D8%B1%DB%92_%DA%AF%DB%8C?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#فیصلہ_عوام_کرے_گی</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Elections2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Elections2022</a></p>— Farrukh Habib (@FarrukhHabibISF) <a href="https://twitter.com/FarrukhHabibISF/status/1510610302513131520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Whatever has happened, whatever will happen. One thing is for sure. He is a wall. A brave character.

Quite simply, he's not for sale. He used to play alongside Sarfraz Nawaz who was a great bowler in his time, but he was for sale, and my view of him diminished ever after. If Imran Khan was British he would have been viewed greater than Churchill in time.

 

[Arsal_AK]

If article 6 is proven in this case, imran cant even stand in the next election his politcal career would end here.

The traitor pm lust for power may have shot himself

There is no article 6 case here. The best that can happen from the opposition perspective is that the SC reverses the decision of the speaker to discard the no confidence motion.

 

[Arsal_AK]

This is where pti did an own goal on themselves ...

If article 6 is proven, imran khan would be branded as a traitor along with deputy speak and they could be given death sentence.

Pti acted dumb here, even the cjp didnt expect this buffonary by pti

Death sentence? Calm down and think a bit. This is never going to happen. Ever. The speaker's reason for not allowing vote are quite huge. They come on the backing of the NSC. They hold wieght as the justices of the SC have said too.

Imran asked the president to dissolve the assemblies after the motion was rejected meaning he was well within his powers under the constitution to do so.

 

[Major]

This move will probably be declared unconstitutional by the SC. However its still a good move by IK because his base wants him to fight to the last ball. This should delay his ouster by a few weeks if not longer.

And for those people who are saying IK and the speaker have committed Treason and violated Article 6 have most likely never read Article 6.

Article 6



IK has not done any of the above. He has motioned to have the assemblies dissolved which means he is giving up his seat. And the people will decide who wins the next election. Article 6 does not apply.

The deputy speaker who did this did it through unconstitutional means, he will be facing a treason case, question is whether imran influenced him to do so. And if he did, than its byebye imran.

An uncorrupt person ended up becoming a traitor... Ohh the irony....

 

[Syed1]

Difference between an Oxford Graduate, an all time great sportsman who won against all odds, and then a politician who did it against all odds.

Versus Kuggoo who has to read from a parchi during meetings with other leaders and kaapein taang rahi hain

Man another thing that I just learned shows the brilliance of the move )


So as per constitution voting on the no confidence motion has to take place within seven days and if this period lapses then the no confidence motion is void. Now IK/speaker set the date for voting on the 7th day and on that day dismissed the no confidence motion )


So even if opposition get a favourable result from SC (which they can't anyway as speaker ruling can't be challenged) the seven days have lapsed.


This is such a well thought out move all bases covered. IK ko maan gaye aj.

 

[Major]

Death sentence? Calm down and think a bit. This is never going to happen. Ever. The speaker's reason for not allowing vote are quite huge. They come on the backing of the NSC. They hold wieght as the justices of the SC have said too.

Imran asked the president to dissolve the assemblies after the motion was rejected meaning he was well within his powers under the constitution to do so.

This will happen, if not today yhan in 5 years time.

Musharaffe case was same when he imposed emergency

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Clutching at broken straws now lol
Treason was the aim of Bilo & crooked friends as confirmed by the speaker .
.

It’s time to run bro . It’s best for all corrupt thieves to do a nawaz . When Imran wins majority , jails & ropes will be bilos dreams .

I hope you’re ok . It’s never too late to change .

Don’t mess with Pakistan & Imran again …

You are giving Billo far too much credit. Did you ever know a Mummy/Daddy type who could have any aims at this level? They should have put Mr 10% up for the PPP seat, at least then you'd know who you were voting for.

 

[MenInG]

The deputy speaker who did this did it through unconstitutional means, he will be facing a treason case, question is whether imran influenced him to do so. And if he did, than its byebye imran.

An uncorrupt person ended up becoming a traitor... Ohh the irony....

You are trying very hard to remain positive

I suggest sit back and see how this pans out.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I think at this point, regardless of what happens at the SC, the country seems ungovernable without a fresh election. Any other option will surely lead to chaos.

 

[MenInG]

The Supreme Court on Sunday barred all state institutions from taking any 'extra-constitutional' steps in the wake of the dismissal of the no-confidence vote in the National Assembly against Prime Minister Imran Khan and the subsequent approval of the president to dissolve the assembly at the advice of the premier.

A three judge bench of the apex court led by Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Justice Bandial and comprising Justice Ijazul Ahsan and Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar heard the matter.

CJP Bandial observed that public order must be maintained and no state functionary shall take any ‘extra-constitutional’ step in the prevailing political situation.

The top court, after issuing notices to the Attorney General Pakistan and others on the matter, adjourned the hearing till Monday (tomorrow).

The apex court also directed the AGP to determine the constitutionality of NA speaker’s ruling.

Earlier, CJP Bandial arrived at the apex court, which was especially opened on a Sunday in light of the day's unusual turn of events.

The leaders of the joint opposition as well as PTI's ministers also arrived at the SC. The opposition has dismissed the ruling party’s actions as unconstitutional.

The petition filed by the opposition maintained that it is “most respectfully prayed that the act of the Deputy Speaker by proroguing the Session of Parliament on the vote of No Confidence Motion may be held to be in violation of fundamental rights of the people of Pakistan and against Article 66, 95, 17(2) and other enabling provisions and this act and all consequences thereafter may be set aside by declaring the same illegal, ultra vires to the Constitution and consequently the Speaker/ Deputy Speaker National Assembly may be directed to conduct the vote count on No Confidence Motion of the members present in the National Assembly on the floor of the house and declared the result of the No Confidence Motion.

“It is further prayed that the respondents may be directed not to interfere with the vote count and smooth voting on the resolution of No Confidence of the Prime Minister as per the Agenda today.

“It is also prayed that the Respondents and other delinquent persons involved in abrogating and subverting the Constitution may also very graciously be tried with and dealt strictly with in accordance with the law.

“Any other direction or relief which this Honorable Court deems fit and proper in the vindication of grievance aforesaid."

The Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) also filed a constitutional petition with the Supreme Court in light of today's events.

The lawyers' association prayed in its petition that the SC declares the “impugned order of dissolution of the National Assembly issued under Article 58(1) of the Constitution is without lawful authority and of no legal effect.”

It urged the apex court to declare that the speaker could not give a ruling after the resolution for the vote of no-confidence was moved on March 28.

"Declare that all acts of the Respondents dated 03-04-2022 and all acts, directions, instructions, orders etc. taken by the Respondents or any other state functionaries in pursuance of the impugned order of dissolution of the National Assembly are without lawful authority and of no legal effect," the SCBA's petition further maintained.

The resolution of no-confidence was sought to be declared still pending before the National Assembly and voting on it held immediately.

"Restrain all state functionaries from acting in pursuance of the illegal and unlawful orders, actions, instructions of the Respondents dated 03-04-2022, during the pendency of the titled Petition," the SCBA further prayed.

NA proceedings

National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri had earlier dismissed the no-confidence motion submitted by the joint opposition, terming it "unconstitutional" under Article 5.

Read more President Arif Alvi dissolves National Assembly on PM Imran’s advice

In a talk with the media, PPP Chairperson Bilawal said the deputy speaker committed an 'unconstitutional act' by dismissing the no-trust motion against Imran.

Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) President and Leader of Opposition in the National Assembly Shehbaz Sharif termed Imran Khan a traitor of the Constitution and democracy.

Shehbaz said that Article 6 is now applicable on “Imran Niazi and his followers for openly violating the Constitution”.

Shehbaz Sharif referred to the premier’s actions as anarchic and urged the chief justice of Pakistan to save the country from crisis.

“It is hoped that the Supreme Court will ensure the supremacy of the Constitution and fulfil its duty to protect the country from this violation of the Constitution,” the leader added.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/235083...utions-from-taking-extra-constitutional-steps

 

[Arsal_AK]

This will happen, if not today yhan in 5 years time.

Musharaffe case was same when he imposed emergency

What are you on about? Musharaf was a dictator. Imran is the elected PM who is well within his power to ask the president to dissolve the assembly and go to the public for the vote. I repeat go to the public for the vote.

If you can't see the difference, there is no hope.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The deputy speaker who did this did it through unconstitutional means, he will be facing a treason case, question is whether imran influenced him to do so. And if he did, than its byebye imran.

An uncorrupt person ended up becoming a traitor... Ohh the irony....

The SC can declare the move unconstitutional, however how can they say he's guilty of treason? The speaker used his judgment to declare the No Confidence vote against the constitution. If his judgement is incorrect the SC should make him hold the vote. He did not abrogate or subvert or suspend or hold the constitution in abeyance.

 

[Arsal_AK]

I think at this point, regardless of what happens at the SC, the country seems ungovernable without a fresh election. Any other option will surely lead to chaos.

Yes and precisely why the SC is probably going to say the same thing. Get the mess sorted out in the elections once and for all.

 

[MenInG]

Members of the joint opposition strongly protested the dismissal of the no-confidence vote against Prime Minister Imran by National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri, as well as the premier's suggestion to dissolve legislative assemblies.

Following the session of the lower house, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Maryam Nawaz took to her official Twitter handle to state that no one should be allowed to “distort” the Constitution to save their seat.

Dubbing the premier “crazy and obsessive”, the PML-N leader said that it will be the “law of the jungle” in the country if Imran was not punished for his today's actions.

Talking to media personnel outside the NA, PML-N Spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb said that the prime minister was a traitor who had lost the support of the majority and therefore, could not dissolve assemblies nor could he dismiss the no-trust move through Suri.

Calling Imran’s move “unconstitutional”, she said the premier's actions will be taken to the Supreme Court. Marriyum also told the nation to be ready for a “surprise” from the opposition.

Pakistan People’s Party leader Sherry Rehman also said that a prime minister who had lost his majority could not dissolve the assembly.

“All actions today are unconstitutional, illegal and will take the country straight into a dangerous constitutional crisis,” she tweeted.

Read Deputy speaker dismisses no-trust motion against Imran, terms it against Article 5

She stated that the opposition did not accept a “minority” prime minister’s decision or the speaker’s ruling.

PPP's Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar took to Twitter to condemn the ruling party’s action, terming it a "blatant violation" of the Constitution and the rules.

The opposition member added that the apex court cannot and should not sit by as a mere spectator. “The chief justice should immediately take to the bench and save the country from a constitutional crisis!” he added.

PPP member Aseef Bhutto Zardari said that “the selected PM just ran away from Parliament, a Parliament he has lost his majority in”.

“The speaker of the National Assembly’s unconstitutional and undemocratic holding of proceedings today will be taken up in court,” she stated, adding that the opposition’s next stop was the Supreme Court.

Chairperson of the National Democratic Movement Mohsin Dawar called the move a “historical low in” parliamentary history, which showed the “fragility” of parliamentary democracy.

“The Deputy Speaker and the Prime Minister along with his team should be tried under Article 6,” he said, urging the apex court to step in and resolve the “constitutional crisis”.

PML-N member and MNA Ahsan Iqbal hoped for the "unprecedented humiliation" of PM Imran, claiming that Imran did not "possess even an iota" of grace or honour.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2350829/opposition-cries-foul-after-dismissal-of-no-trust-vote

 

[OneManShow]

I'm sitting here absolutely creasing up. Major had been doing Bhangra fir a week straight and is now throwing his toys out of the pram. The fact that the PDM and its cheerleaders don't want an election to take place tells you all you need to know about their true intentions. Their entire power play was self serving in nature. Well played Kaptaan

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are giving Billo far too much credit. Did you ever know a Mummy/Daddy type who could have any aims at this level? They should have put Mr 10% up for the PPP seat, at least then you'd know who you were voting for.

After the announcement Bilo looked at Zardari with bemusement & horror . Zardari smiled & pointed at his pocket . Bilo still in shock but relieved his dads money will remain his .

If only we get to hear the conversation between joe Biden & Bilo , both won’t know who they talking too

 

[Arsal_AK]

Nobody is facing treason cases, not PTI and neither the opposition. The PTI fans who are beside themselves in joy thinking there is going to be treason charges based on a friging letter need to calm down as well.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

PTI minister of state for information who was in the court room

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">*سپریم کورٹ نے سپیکر کی رولنگ پر عارضی حکم امتنا کی استدعا مسترد کردی۔ <br>روزہ افطار کرے اور آئندہ انتخابات کی تیاری کرے۔ فیصلہ پاکستان کی عوام کو کرنے دے۔ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C_%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%B4_%D9%86%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#بیرونی_سازش_ناکام</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%81_%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%85_%DA%A9%D8%B1%DB%92_%DA%AF%DB%8C?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#فیصلہ_عوام_کرے_گی</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Elections2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Elections2022</a></p>— Farrukh Habib (@FarrukhHabibISF) <a href="https://twitter.com/FarrukhHabibISF/status/1510610302513131520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.dawn.com/news/1683235/a...ted-by-pm-president-subject-to-court-order-sc

From this article

Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial on Sunday said that all orders and actions initiated by the prime minister and president regarding the dissolution of the National Assembly will be subject to the court's order.

 

[Pakpak]

I'm sitting here absolutely creasing up. Major had been doing Bhangra fir a week straight and is now throwing his toys out of the pram. The fact that the PDM and its cheerleaders don't want an election to take place tells you all you need to know about their true intentions. Their entire power play was self serving in nature. Well played Kaptaan

Yup I still remember the thread with emojis and bhangras.

Serves everyone of them right.

 

[Major]

You are trying very hard to remain positive

I suggest sit back and see how this pans out.

Well i will give it to you guys, you won this battle, but the war isnt over yet

 

[saeedhk]

Khan has truly bamboozled the opposition! Great to see Zardari, Bilawal, Fazlu and Shahbaz out of breathe.

 

[Itachi]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1683235/a...ted-by-pm-president-subject-to-court-order-sc

From this article

So court hasn't taken any decision?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

So court hasn't taken any decision?

Not according to Dawn, and other newspapers. However their are people tweeting that the SC wont hear the case. I personally think they will though.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Thats why MQM only won 7 seats from Karachi? In Sha Allah in next elections they will not even win a single seat.

In 2018 election alot of people in Karachi did not think PTI could win their and did not want to waste their vote and voted for MQM. That no longer is the case and I would agree that PTI can sweep Karachi.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well i will give it to you guys, you won this battle, but the war isnt over yet

We didn't win anything, PK won, traitors lost.

 

[Hermoine Green]

So court hasn't taken any decision?

Not according to Dawn, and other newspapers. However their are people tweeting that the SC wont hear the case. I personally think they will though.

They cant overrule the decision. (SC wont go against their own decision which they gave one day back)

 

[Savak]

IK just did a Heisenberg move on the opposition today

 

[Zaz]

Inswinging yorker from the Great Khan

All 3 stumps knocked clean out!

 

[MenInG]

The no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Imran Khan was dismissed abruptly Sunday after National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri termed it "unconstitutional", saying that it was backed by "foreign powers".

At the outset of the session, former law and information minister Fawad Chaudhry read out Article 5 of the Constitution and accused the Opposition of "disloyalty to the state."

Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri then quickly disallowed voting on the no-trust motion and adjourned the session for an indefinite time. Later, on the prime minister's advice, President Arif Alvi dissolved the assemblies, with the premier asking the nation to gear up for fresh polls.

Here's a detailed ruling of NA speaker, deputy speaker on motion

1. On today the 3 April 2022, Mr Fawad Ahmed Chaudary, Minister for Law and Justice rising on a point of order drew the attention of the Chair that in the normal circumstances under Article 95 of the Constitution it is right of the members to move a resolution for a vote of no-confidence against the Prime Minister.

He further stated that Article S of the Constitution provides that it is the basic duty of every citizen to show loyalty to the State. He also pointed out that Pakistani diplomats met with the Officials of the foreign state and also informed them about the intention of that state against Prime Minister Imran Khan.

2. A notice for requisitioning the session of the National Assembly was filed by members of the Opposition in terms of Article 54(3) of the Constitution of Pakistan, with the Secretariat of the National Assembly on 8-3-2022. On the same date ie, 8-3-2022 another notice under Rule 37 of the National Assembly Rules, for the notice of resolution of no confidence against Mr. Imran Khan, as Prime Minister was filed with the Secretariat of the National Assembly.

3. The session of the National Assembly was summoned to be held on 25-3-2022. After offering fateha the session was adjourned for 28-3-2022. On that date leave for moving a resolution for a vote of no confidence in terms of Article 95 of the Constitution was granted and the’ session was adjourned for 31-3-2022. The session was then adjourned for 3-4-2022.

4. In the meanwhile Prime Minister Imran Khan addressed a public rally on 27-3-2022 at Parade ground, Islamabad. Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Prime Minister Imran Khan briefly disclosed about a foreign country’s interference in the internal affairs and parliamentary process in Pakistan. The details as later emerged were that on 7-3-2022 Pakistan's Ambassador deputed to an important foreign capital sent official correspondence ie cypher narrating details of a meeting and conversation with high official(s) of that foreign State. The gist of the contents of the cypher indicated that the foreign state was interfering in the internal affairs of Pakistan and Prime Minister Imran Khan was its primary target. The circumstance shows that there was nexus between the no-confidence motion against Prime Minister |= and the foreign intervention and the activities of that State's representatives deputed to Pakistan. The Federal cabinet as well as the National Security Committee (NSC) headed by the Prime Minister, some members of the Federal Cabinet, The Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, and the three services Chiefs, meeting on 31-3-2022 was briefed about the unwarranted foreign, interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan. It is a matter of record that after the meetings of the Federal Cabinet and the National Security Committee, Pakistan formally conveyed a demarche to the foreign state concerned.

5. Given the above facts and circumstances a briefing for the Parliamentary Committee on the National Security was arranged for a briefing on the issue on 31-3-2022. Unfortunately, the concerned members of the opposition choose to boycott or ignore the briefing. However, as Speaker and custodian of the National Assembly, I asked the concerned functionaries of the Government to provide me relevant facts and information Subject to the applicable laws. This was accordingly one. The facts revealed to me were absolutely shocking and completely unacceptable for any independent people with self-respect and dignity. I was fully convinced that there was blatant foreign interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan and the duly elected Prime Minister of Pakistan was the prime target. What was even more shocking was the apparently close nexus and proximity between blatant foreign interference and the motion of no confidence against the Prime Minister also became evident.

5. Given the above facts and circumstances a briefing for the Parliamentary Committee on National Security was arranged for a briefing on the issue on 31-3-2022. Unfortunately, the concerned members. of the opposition choose to boycott or ignore the briefing. However, as Speaker and custodian of the National Assembly, I asked the concerned functionaries of the Government to provide me with the relevant facts and information Subject to the applicable laws. This was accordingly done. The facts revealed to me were absolutely shocking and completely unacceptable for any independent people with self-respect and dignity. I was fully convinced that there was blatant foreign interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan and the duly elected Prime Minister of Pakistan was the prime target. What was even more shocking was the apparently close nexus. and proximity between blatant foreign interference and the motion of no confidence against the Prime Minister also became evident.

6. For a number of reasons and save for what I have observed hereinabove, I would presently refrain from giving more specific details about the foreign intervention and its links to the no-confidence motion moved against Prime Minister Imran Khan. If and when so required by this august House and subject to applicable laws, details and specifics of foreign interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan and its parliamentary process including no-confidence motion can be provided and discussed in greater detail in closed door in-camera session.

7. Suffice it to say that to me it is now clear that there has been blatant foreign interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan and there exists a close nexus between such foreign interference and the campaign to oust and remove the democratically elected government headed by Prime Minister Imran Khan through different means including the motion for no-confidence initiated on 8-3-2022. No self-respecting independent, democratic country and people with national pride and dignity could or should ever let such things happen nor allow’ its democratic institutions including parliamentary processes to be so grossly abused by foreigners or foreign states to bring a change of any Government or Prime Minister as appears to be the case presently.

8. The membership of this august House is a matter of great honour and trust for every member. Any action though purported to be under the Constitution and the Rules but for extraneous purposes and goals which could compromise the sovereignty and independence of the country could not be sustained under any circumstances. Any such attempt must be thwarted and quashed.

9. The motion of no confidence against the Prime Minister is apparently linked with and has clear nexus with the efforts of the foreign State to bring about a change of Government cannot be entertained or allowed to be voted upon in this august House and must be rejected empathetically as this could ever be the intent of the Constitution. The fundamental existential issue should be clearly settled first leaving no doubt or taint of external interference or collusion of Pakistani citizens including a few members of the National Assembly. If any, in this unholy venture.

This would require a thorough investigation by the appropriate forum or authority under the law. However, without such a thorough probe, if such motion of no-confidence is entertained in the grab parliamentary process now or allowed to succeed and a foreign country can achieve its goal to oust a democratically elected Government and/or Prime Minister in this manner, we shall cease to be an independent and sovereign country governed by the Constitution and the laws.

10. I, as the Deputy Speaker and custodian of the House and bound by the oath taken by me under the Constitution of Pakistan to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution cannot remain indifferent or act as an unconcerned spectator let alone be instrumental in this unconstitutional act of change of Government and /or Prime Minister orchestrated by a foreign state. The present motion of no confidence being the very essence of the internal proceedings of the House cannot be entertained or allowed by me to proceed in these circumstances and has to be disallowed and accordingly rejected.

These are the detailed reasons for my order dated 3rd April 2022, in the sitting of the National Assembly

GEO

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is where pti did an own goal on themselves ...

If article 6 is proven, imran khan would be branded as a traitor along with deputy speak and they could be given death sentence.

Pti acted dumb here, even the cjp didnt expect this buffonary by pti

What is the opinion of the Supreme Court and other constitutional experts?

 

[Major]

What is the opinion of the Supreme Court and other constitutional experts?

Every constitutional and law expert has said its against the onstitution.

Cjp one day before the motion said that voting will have to take place...

It is will be overturned in 15 days.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Every constitutional and law expert has said its against the onstitution.

Cjp one day before the motion said that voting will have to take place...

It is will be overturned in 15 days.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Is this true?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What is the opinion of the Supreme Court and other constitutional experts?

Most constitutional experts are saying that this move is illegal. SC per newspapers has said they will hear the case, though on social media some people with allegedly insider information are saying that the SC will say this is legal.

 

[Itachi]

Most constitutional experts are saying that this move is illegal. SC per newspapers has said they will hear the case, though on social media some people with allegedly insider information are saying that the SC will say this is legal.

if there is similar case where SC did allow it, then more or less, they will give it legal declaration.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

if there is similar case where SC did allow it, then more or less, they will give it legal declaration.

Their is no similar case. No confidence vote happened twice before, with Benazir and Shaukat Aziz. The vote happened and both survived. In this case no vote is being held because IK is saying that the opposition is involved in a foreign conspiracy and are violating Article 5 of the Constitution. So the onus is on the SC to decide if the vote is held. If it is IK will not survive, and if the vote does not happen Pakistan will have early elections.

What we dont know is how long the SC will take. Will it be days, weeks, months?

 

[Itachi]

Their is no similar case. No confidence vote happened twice before, with Benazir and Shaukat Aziz. The vote happened and both survived. In this case no vote is being held because IK is saying that the opposition is involved in a foreign conspiracy and are violating Article 5 of the Constitution. So the onus is on the SC to decide if the vote is held. If it is IK will not survive, and if the vote does not happen Pakistan will have early elections.

What we dont know is how long the SC will take. Will it be days, weeks, months?

But IK will continue office for next 15 days. If SC takes months, then who would lead the interim govt?

Will it be PTI? or someone else?

Will Army take an active role since there are no stable govt?

Lots of questions.....

 

[RajBan]

If court says it was unconstitutional that means imran comitted treason. He would not be allowed to stand in election and would have court proceedings against him. Article 6 would be invoked

This is actually true. If CJP gives a verdict that this is unconstitutional, opposition will be able to press charges seamlessly and eliminate competition for future. However if CJP simply says that lets go ahead with an early election, Imran will carry some momentum with him but the patriotic pill can only run for few weeks. I expect the rupee to crash in coming days, triggering even higher inflation and eventually people will be back again with their discontent in 2-3 months .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Most constitutional experts are saying that this move is illegal. SC per newspapers has said they will hear the case, though on social media some people with allegedly insider information are saying that the SC will say this is legal.

See usually in a parliamentary democracy, the PM has to prove his numbers on the floor of the house once a NCM is moved. There is no escaping it.He cannot hold seat and declare that the house is dissolved.

But Pakistani constitution may have different articles to deal with this.

 

[Hermoine Green]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Is this true?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

According to Articel 69, its clearly stated that SC can not overrule NA decision.

Even, 2 days back SC gave the same verdict in another issue. Read it for yourself (last point)

 

[Hermoine Green]

See usually in a parliamentary democracy, the PM has to prove his numbers on the floor of the house once a NCM is moved. There is no escaping it.He cannot hold seat and declare that the house is dissolved.

But Pakistani constitution may have different articles to deal with this.

NCM can be moved, for sure. But on legal grounds though.

NCM cannot be moved if there is hint of foreign powers involvement. So, Speaker gave the decision in light of present constitution, and later on President dissolved the assemblies as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

According to Articel 69, its clearly stated that SC can not overrule NA decision.

Even, 2 days back SC gave the same verdict in another issue. Read it for yourself (last point)

So a ruling party can keep ruling as the speaker can keep rejecting a NCM and that ruling can't be challenged?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

See usually in a parliamentary democracy, the PM has to prove his numbers on the floor of the house once a NCM is moved. There is no escaping it.He cannot hold seat and declare that the house is dissolved.

But Pakistani constitution may have different articles to deal with this.

Its the same in Pakistan. However in this case IK is saying their is a foreign conspiracy and the speaker who is also from PTI agreed with him and said the opposition leaders have violated Article 5. So he rejected the vote, and after that IK dissolved the assembly. Most experts are saying that the SC will reverse this.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

But IK will continue office for next 15 days. If SC takes months, then who would lead the interim govt?

Will it be PTI? or someone else?

Will Army take an active role since there are no stable govt?

Lots of questions.....

It should be IK.

After the speaker rejected the vote of No confidence, IK dissolved the assembly. So technically now their should be a caretaker govt, which both IK and the leader of opposition (Shahbaaz) agree upon.

However the opposition is saying that dissolving the assembly is illegal after the No confidence process has started and they are going to go the SC on this. So technically IK will remain PM until this is resolved, unless the opposition accepts the dissolving of the assemblies.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

This is actually true. If CJP gives a verdict that this is unconstitutional, opposition will be able to press charges seamlessly and eliminate competition for future. However if CJP simply says that lets go ahead with an early election, Imran will carry some momentum with him but the patriotic pill can only run for few weeks. I expect the rupee to crash in coming days, triggering even higher inflation and eventually people will be back again with their discontent in 2-3 months .

Well what IK is hoping for with a early election is by the time the "patriotic pill" ends he will have won reelection on the basis of a foreign conspiracy against him.

 

[Itachi]

It should be IK.

After the speaker rejected the vote of No confidence, IK dissolved the assembly. So technically now their should be a caretaker govt, which both IK and the leader of opposition (Shahbaaz) agree upon.

However the opposition is saying that dissolving the assembly is illegal after the No confidence process has started and they are going to go the SC on this. So technically IK will remain PM until this is resolved, unless the opposition accepts the dissolving of the assemblies.

I had to read multiple times to understand it. There are so many twist and turns. Gosh, good luck with that. SC will take its time I guess. It won't be an easy verdict.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NCM can be moved, for sure. But on legal grounds though.

NCM cannot be moved if there is hint of foreign powers involvement. So, Speaker gave the decision in light of present constitution, and later on President dissolved the assemblies as well.

Who decides the legality of a NCM?

 

[Itachi]

Who decides the legality of a NCM?

Seems like the..... Speaker.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I had to read multiple times to understand it. There are so many twist and turns. Gosh, good luck with that. SC will take its time I guess. It won't be an easy verdict.

Unless their really is a foreign conspiracy, it should be an easy verdict. This is just a delay tactic on PTI's part in my opinion.

Other benefits are it will Shahbaz's term as PM shorter (this assembly at max can go to August of 2023), IK appeals to his base who want him to fight to the last ball, and when the next election happens a segment of the population will see him fighting not only the other political parties, but also judiciary, media, and army. He will no longer be judged on his performance as PM, but as the honest man fighting against a corrupt sold out system.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the same in Pakistan. However in this case IK is saying their is a foreign conspiracy and the speaker who is also from PTI agreed with him and said the opposition leaders have violated Article 5. So he rejected the vote, and after that IK dissolved the assembly. Most experts are saying that the SC will reverse this.

Bhai what stops any next PM to give the same excuse?

In 1975, Indira Gandhi was found guilty of election malpractices and removed as MP by courts. She then put the parliament into abeyance and declared emergency.

This is similar.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seems like the..... Speaker.

Who will be from the ruling party.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Bhai what stops any next PM to give the same excuse?

In 1975, Indira Gandhi was found guilty of election malpractices and removed as MP by courts. She then put the parliament into abeyance and declared emergency.

This is similar.

Nothing, which is why the court should overrule the speaker and let the vote happen. However who knows how long that will take. So IK will remain PM till then. Unless the opposition excepts early elections.

 

[RajBan]

Well what IK is hoping for with a early election is by the time the "patriotic pill" ends he will have won reelection on the basis of a foreign conspiracy against him.

It may not be as straightforward. If opposition is truly having that mafia mentality, they can bring the street power and it can be a bloody election which can swing either direction. If ISPR and Bajwa to remain truly neutral, the next logical step for Imran is to get into electoral alliance with TLP.