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Whenever Misbah retires from international cricket he can leave with pride and dignity. Whatever he has achieved and done for Pakistan cricket will go down in history.

He lifted Pakistan cricket when it was at it's lowest point and in danger of crumbling.

His legacy will live on. He will be remembered forever for what he has achieved and his professionalism.

He will always be remembered as a great ambassador for Pakistan cricket.
 
One of the best persons Pakistan could have hoped for when they were in the abyss in the late-2000s. If that was his last game in charge and as a player, well done on a great career Misbah!
 
good thread.

After every series everyone starts reevaluating Misbah's legacy position

Misbah has captained this team at its lowest point, and has taken the same team to no.1 position when many would argue this team doesn't even have the players to get to no.1 rank.

Misbah's legacy will now only grow, it won't reduce.

If Misbah wins, people will remember those wins and celebrate it. If he losses, those losses would be bashed in real time, but over the time they would be forgotten because thats how life is.

Misbah's legacy took a big rise from the England Draw. His legacy reached its peak during the West Indies series. Had Misbah won against Australia or drawn the series, his legacy would had risen further.

The series loss to Australia was never going to affect his overall reputation

His legacy could only grow not fall, the only matter of concern is when will it reach its peak? If he wins more(even winning PSL twice) he gets more accolades and more rise in his reputation.
 
good thread.

After every series everyone starts reevaluating Misbah's legacy position

Misbah has captained this team at its lowest point, and has taken the same team to no.1 position when many would argue this team doesn't even have the players to get to no.1 rank.

Misbah's legacy will now only grow, it won't reduce.

If Misbah wins, people will remember those wins and celebrate it. If he losses, those losses would be bashed in real time, but over the time they would be forgotten because thats how life is.

Misbah's legacy took a big rise from the England Draw. His legacy reached its peak during the West Indies series. Had Misbah won against Australia or drawn the series, his legacy would had risen further.

The series loss to Australia was never going to affect his overall reputation

His legacy could only grow not fall, the only matter of concern is when will it reach its peak? If he wins more(even winning PSL twice) he gets more accolades and more rise in his reputation.

I really hope you are right, especially about the bolded. Unfortunately, I fear that this will not be the case.

Misbah has always been a polarising figure for Pak fans, and his successes and failures have always been used as ammunition by one side or another. Sadly I don't think that will change post retirement.

Personally I don't think Misbah was beyond criticism, especially in terms of his general defensiveness. But more often than not got results, so kudos to him for that.
 
With the amount of politics present in PCB,PCT the guy has really helped the team settle down, PCT can carry on now and make preparations for future with cricket and economic activity returning to Pakistan.

Hope he retires now though,shouldn't carry on anymore.
 
He lifted Pakistan cricket when it was at it's lowest point and in danger of crumbling.

His legacy will live on. He will be remembered forever for what he has achieved and his professionalism.

Very true. From 2010 to 2016 what he achieved was truly incredible. Great player and a great leader.
 
He will also be remembered for 8-0 in SA, NZ and Aus. A drawn series in Zimbabwe and a test loss to eight ranked Windies in UAE.

Misbah may have brought stability to the side but he hasn't achieved much as a captain if you look at his record objectively.
 
There's nothing new in this thread..Some people do not like Afridi so in turn they HAVE to love Misbah because than Afridi becomes such a likable guy.

about OP...What a sad,fabricated,artificial legacy he will live on to.

Will he be remembered by failing to chase 4 odd of last 4 balls against J Sharma in the T20 wc ,the bowler who later was not good enough for cricket and adopted a different career.

or the innings he played in the 2011 semi final where he had given up the chase the moment he arrived at the crease and pushed young Umar Akmal to slog with his tuk tuks on the other end him despite his cameo cameo to bring the NRR down.

or he will be remembered by his mighty averages as a batsman in SL,SA,Aus,NZ,Eng.

or the fact his 60% scores were on UAE's flat pitches,90% 100s came on UAE's most flat pitch.

or the fact that even Zimbabwe the club standard side drawn test series against him.


The only credit he will get was getting little stability in the team after 2010 scandal otherwise he as a player or as a personality will always be debatable.
 
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Misbah may have brought stability to the side but he hasn't achieved much as a captain if you look at his record objectively.

Beat England 3-0 at home in 2012 and 2-0 last year
Drew against England 2-2 away
Whitewashed Australia at home
Overall undefeated in the UAE series wise
With the ODI team, he beat India in India and SA in SA - both good ODI teams

And that's just off the top of my head.
 
Beat England 3-0 at home in 2012 and 2-0 last year
Drew against England 2-2 away
Whitewashed Australia at home
Overall undefeated in the UAE series wise
With the ODI team, he beat India in India and SA in SA - both good ODI teams

And that's just off the top of my head.

Also win series in Nz
 
He will also be remembered for 8-0 in SA, NZ and Aus. A drawn series in Zimbabwe and a test loss to eight ranked Windies in UAE.

Misbah may have brought stability to the side but he hasn't achieved much as a captain if you look at his record objectively.

He was not caption in NZ, and in AUS our bowlers let us down otherwise we can win 1 game
 
Please show some passion to the country and the sport you follow , not to the personalities. all I know that under Misbah we just suffered two white washes, the worst ever tour under any captain in Pakistan history . He knew he was too old to carry on but insisted on it and led us to this shameful and humiliating tour.

Yes, we did tasted some success under him but he also led us to our lowest point, thats what I will rememeb him for.

Sorry if you don't agree with me, nothing but country comes first for me, not Misbah, no SYK.

That's why I admire Imran Khan and Mindada and people like them, they never let us down, Misbah did.

And I hope there is no rule that one has to agree to OP, I don't. Thanks.
 
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Please show some passion to the country and the sport you follow , not to the personalities. all I know that under Misbah we just suffered two white washes, the worst ever tour under any captain in Pakistan history . He knew he was too old to carry on but insisted on it and led us to this shameful and humiliating tour.

Yes, we did tasted some success under him but he also led us to our lowest point, thats what I will rememeb him for.

Sorry if you don't agree with me, nothing but country comes first for me, not Misbah, no SYK.

That's why I admire Imran Khan and Mindada and people like them, they never let us down, Misbah did.

And I hope there is no rule that one has to agree to OP, I don't. Thanks.

All I know is that under Misbah we became Number one Test team in the world; the world of cricket respected us after the shame of 2010.

For that I am grateful to Misbah
 
There's nothing new in this thread..Some people do not like Afridi so in turn they HAVE to love Misbah because than Afridi becomes such a likable guy.

about OP...What a sad,fabricated,artificial legacy he will live on to.

Will he be remembered by failing to chase 4 odd of last 4 balls against J Sharma in the T20 wc ,the bowler who later was not good enough for cricket and adopted a different career.

or the innings he played in the 2011 semi final where he had given up the chase the moment he arrived at the crease and pushed young Umar Akmal to slog with his tuk tuks on the other end him despite his cameo cameo to bring the NRR down.

or he will be remembered by his mighty averages as a batsman in SL,SA,Aus,NZ,Eng.

or the fact his 60% scores were on UAE's flat pitches,90% 100s came on UAE's most flat pitch.

or the fact that even Zimbabwe the club standard side drawn test series against him.


The only credit he will get was getting little stability in the team after 2010 scandal otherwise he as a player or as a personality will always be debatable.

The post painful cricketing moment for me in last 10 years or so has been our loss to Indian in 2011 semifinal and I mostly blame Misnah for that. He killed the chase the moment he arrived. In ODI, you don't play fro draw, if you lose , you lose while fighting to win. Misbah was playing for "draw". Never knew his intentions then, whether it was something to do with Afridi being the captain, I don't know .
 
All I know is that under Misbah we became Number one Test team in the world; the world of cricket respected us after the shame of 2010.

For that I am grateful to Misbah

Yes, what about now, aren't we laughing stock of world cricket now, are you seriously contended with our current position in world cricket freshly after losing 6 tests in a row against three countries.
 
Yes, what about now, aren't we laughing stock of world cricket now, are you seriously contended with our current position in world cricket freshly after losing 6 tests in a row against three countries.

Laughing stock of the world for losing in Australia? How much did you laugh when we whitewashed England in UAE? or when we took Australia to the cleaners in the UAE?
 
Completely agree.

The guy is a Pakistani legend and all the haters need to forget about the 2011 semi final and the 2007 final. It was a really long time ago and it honestly wasn't even his fault.

All the haters are just looking like bitter losers at this point. It was a really long time ago and we've had plenty of good memories since then.
 
We didn't lose only to one of the weakest Australian team in recent times, we lost to New Zealand and one test to the a minnow of the test cricket in our own backward. Yes, we're king of UAE and that's not good enough for me.
 
Misbah was worse than MOYO in captaincy.

Spoiled our odi team
and just to be honest for once about #1 ranking in tests. It was due to other teams not performing good. Check the rating points instead, those were nothing special and we had better rating points several time in history.

Anyway, as expected his captaincy and batting totally busted.

This guy was sacked from T20 and ODI as he does not know about leaving with respect.

I really hope and pray that once he returns to Pakistan, management ask him to resign.
 
Misbah was worse than MOYO in captaincy.

Spoiled our odi team
and just to be honest for once about #1 ranking in tests. It was due to other teams not performing good. Check the rating points instead, those were nothing special and we had better rating points several time in history.

Anyway, as expected his captaincy and batting totally busted.

This guy was sacked from T20 and ODI as he does not know about leaving with respect.

I really hope and pray that once he returns to Pakistan, management ask him to resign.

Misbah fans also seem to forget that the only reason we even reached the number one position is because of a favourable piece of weather pattern in the Ind-WI test series.
 
Misbah fans also seem to forget that the only reason we even reached the number one position is because of a favourable piece of weather pattern in the Ind-WI test series.

Guess same patterns must have brought us to the number 2 position as well.
 
One of the best batsman to have ever come out from Pakistan,epic bashing he gave to harbhajan in t20 final and that scoop straight to srisanth will always be remembered
 
Yes, what about now, aren't we laughing stock of world cricket now, are you seriously contended with our current position in world cricket freshly after losing 6 tests in a row against three countries.

And how many tests do Australia/NZ win in Asia, how many do India/SL win in those countries...

Only thing thats a laughing stock is your post
 
Misbah was worse than MOYO in captaincy.

Spoiled our odi team
and just to be honest for once about #1 ranking in tests. It was due to other teams not performing good. Check the rating points instead, those were nothing special and we had better rating points several time in history.

Anyway, as expected his captaincy and batting totally busted.

This guy was sacked from T20 and ODI as he does not know about leaving with respect.

I really hope and pray that once he returns to Pakistan, management ask him to resign.

Can you point out few examples of Pakistan having higher rating points than 110 in the last 10-15 years? I mostly see Pakistan hanging around 100 rating points and depending on how others do Pakistan goes up or down in rating.
 
We got to number one rank thanks to UAE wickets and saeed ajmal's bowling.

Add rain to this ....

But to get rank 1 you had to put few good performances one after another. Credit should be given for that.
 
Misbah fans also seem to forget that the only reason we even reached the number one position is because of a favourable piece of weather pattern in the Ind-WI test series.

Rain was surely a factor in Pakistan holding rank 1 for couple of weeks, but to capitalize on that rain, you had to be at rank 2.
 
And how many tests do Australia/NZ win in Asia, how many do India/SL win in those countries...

Only thing thats a laughing stock is your post

Pakistan cricket has not even dominated at home like other teams. We have won like only one game against SA visiting us in the UAE in last 5 years.
We have not defeated NZ in the series let alone white wash like the Indians have.
We have not won any home ODI series against Aus,SA,Eng,NZ.. India never play us..who is left? oh yes, I forgot the mighty SL and WI.

Yes most teams have been pathetic on away tours but we have been even worse.
We couldn't beat two really down teams WI and Zimbabwe and managed to draw the series after a very very great fight.
We managed to lose to NZ on their home soil which we haven't done since 84.

all during Misbah's tenure

and I haven't mentioned the ICC tournaments.

so yes Pakistan has regressed but personalities stay. Their fans stay. Their legacy stay. They play the card of when to decide to leave like a king. what Pakistani fans think or want doesn't matter but ultimately as this thread is about it is about personalities.
 
And that's why sociologists believe leaders should step down no later than 5 years. Time moves faster than an individual. Same strategies are not going to work for lifetime. His legacy might have been sealed before these tours, however, the more he stays, the more uncertain and debatable his legacy would become.
 
Add rain to this ....

But to get rank 1 you had to put few good performances one after another. Credit should be given for that.

India deserved to be top ranked team after the way they have faught in Aus,dominated SL and WI at their backyard and white washed England and NZ at home. Kohli truly deserves this success. He has lead from the top and he has been also active as a captain. It seems like a beginning of an Indian golden era in tests at least.
 
And that's why sociologists believe leaders should step down no later than 5 years. Time moves faster than an individual. Same strategies are not going to work for lifetime. His legacy might have been sealed before these tours, however, the more he stays, the more uncertain and debatable his legacy would become.

his legacy would have remained undefined and he might have got benefit of the doubt if he it wasn't for these tours. So yes now people can truly make an opinion about his legacy .etc
 
Great guy, probably the most universally respected cricketer in the world today because of his calm and professional conduct at all times. It needed a person like him to repair the damage done to Pakistan's reputation after the spot fixing scandal and irrespective of his results (which by the way are good) Misbah deserves enormous credit for that.
 
Without a doubt it will, only those who don't understand cricket will derail what he achieved.
 
Undoubtedly , the gentleman of pakistan cricket. Which cricketer ever has tolerated so much criticism without coming out with his own cheap shots?
 
Can you point out few examples of Pakistan having higher rating points than 110 in the last 10-15 years? I mostly see Pakistan hanging around 100 rating points and depending on how others do Pakistan goes up or down in rating.

As per wiki, Pakistan had 110+ ratings between june 2006 and Dec 2006.

However at time, 110 got us only 3rd position in ranking as aus was 130+ and England at 118.

And we know that it's an easy job to reach from 100 to 110 as compared to hitting 120 from 110.

I hope above helped.
 
Beyond the platitudes about his admirable character, objectively has a legacy that will live long.
Just chose one tour too many. Pity.
 
Agree with op. Thank you Misbah. 2010-2016 the England tour, a golden era for Pakistan in test cricket.
 
Agree with op but then every thing has a shelf life.like Antibiotics or vitamin are essential for the body but once it get expired it becomes useless and even harmful so you have to discard it it
 
Ian Chappell said it perfectly himself, no inspiration from Misbah, Pakistan have lost 12 test matches on the trott, poor batting, bowling and fielding and it is about time Cricket Australia tells the PCB "Listen, we are going to stop the invites if you guys dont get your act together".
 
Absolutely agree with this as a lifelong supporter of Misbah.

Even though I think his time is up and he should leave, he's been a great servant for Pakistan over the last six years. The treatment that he has received from our "fans" is quite shocking and sad.

It's naive to think that Pakistan's greatest Test captain will easily be forgotten.
 
Whenever Misbah retires from international cricket he can leave with pride and dignity. Whatever he has achieved and done for Pakistan cricket will go down in history.

He lifted Pakistan cricket when it was at it's lowest point and in danger of crumbling.

His legacy will live on. He will be remembered forever for what he has achieved and his professionalism.

He will always be remembered as a great ambassador for Pakistan cricket.

Sorry [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] but I disagree.

I don't buy the 'reuniting the team from their lowest point' argument either. Butt/Amir/Asif bowled several no balls which influenced their first over. It was illegal and they were punished for it but thats all it ever was. To say it had a huge effect on our cricket and adminstration would be a huge exaggeration. Quite simply - the team that toured England in 2010 was mediocre to the core...

The SL attacks in 2009 had far bigger significance and we continue to feel the effects today of cricket isolation. It is arguably permanent damage that will take many years to repair and had a lasting impact on our sporting developments in the country.

Back on the topic of Misbah - he should have retired after the England tour. the 6 match losing streak and whitewashes in NZ/Aus have severely damaged his legacy along with his insipid team selection and poor captaincy. It will be a humiliating end for him unfortunately.

Make a young captain moving forward and persist with a young team.

Say goodbye to Hafeez, Rahat, Irfan, Sohail, Misbah and YK now.
 
Ian Chappell said it perfectly himself, no inspiration from Misbah, Pakistan have lost 12 test matches on the trott, poor batting, bowling and fielding and it is about time Cricket Australia tells the PCB "Listen, we are going to stop the invites if you guys dont get your act together".

12??

Isn't it 6?
 
Nothing to prove, but so much to lose if he keeping on clinging on to the Pakistan team by its coattails.
 
I'm a great fan of misbah but I can't help but feel that he has looked bereft of leadership and ideas of late.

Yes he will be leaving some sort of legacy but the depths to which Pak cricket had sunk in 2009-2010 could only have led to changes and consolidation. But that's all we have achieved. A bit of consolidation.

Except for a couple of outright match winners in ajmal and Yasir in the UAE our bowling hasn't been exactly earth shattering. Azhar and Asad appeared before Misbah captaincy but in 5 years there are hardly any new batsmen breaking down the door of selection.

Misbah modus operandi has been to do nothing and this has now run its course as proven by the Australasian series. But the writing on the wall was when we even failed to get 20 wickets in the series against New Zealand And WEST indies in UAE, or even survive against the seamers of Zimbabwe when they started seaming it around.

Moral of the story is that MISBAH has been fine at consolidation but terrible at team development. But team development is bigger than one year individual and relies on wholesale changes that the board will just not do.
 
Agree. Misbah is a Pakistani great and people with understanding of cricket will always give their respects to him. A great guy and I wish all the best for the future.
 
everything you said is true, but being the first ever captain to lead the team to 6 straight victories is also true

leaving the team (ODI and test) in disarray is also true

Misbah's done a lot of good, but he's also had his faults and thats how he'll be remembered
 
everything you said is true, but being the first ever captain to lead the team to 6 straight victories is also true

leaving the team (ODI and test) in disarray is also true

Misbah's done a lot of good, but he's also had his faults and thats how he'll be remembered

What good? He is leaving a team ranked no 9 in ODI's, a test team ranked no 6 and a team which still plays like debutants. The only thing he has to show for it is the ICC spirit of the cricket award which the entire world deep down inside mocks and jeers.
 
I don't buy the 'reuniting the team from their lowest point' argument either. Butt/Amir/Asif bowled several no balls which influenced their first over. It was illegal and they were punished for it but thats all it ever was. To say it had a huge effect on our cricket and adminstration would be a huge exaggeration. Quite simply - the team that toured England in 2010 was mediocre to the core...

I think some are forgetting that there was a campaign to ban Pakistan from international cricket with some high profile names suggesting that should happen. If that had happened that could have been the end of Pakistan cricket as we knew it. Those same people were then singing Misbah's praises for what he did with the Pakistan team on and off the field.
 
Misbah will leave a positive legacy, overall test performances were positive, ODI not so good but enhanced the image of PK with positive relationship with the media.
 
I think some are forgetting that there was a campaign to ban Pakistan from international cricket with some high profile names suggesting that should happen. If that had happened that could have been the end of Pakistan cricket as we knew it. Those same people were then singing Misbah's praises for what he did with the Pakistan team on and off the field.

Short memories and entitlement behaviour (one that they blame Misbah for)
 
I think its better for more time to elapse before we can begin to objectively and calmly assess Misbah's legacy.

Right now people still have a sour taste because of the Australia result.
 
I think its better for more time to elapse before we can begin to objectively and calmly assess Misbah's legacy.

Right now people still have a sour taste because of the Australia result.

The buildup to Inzi's retirement was the same. And then we have chest beaters who show up and tell us how great he was etc
 
The bit that no one will ever change is a poor a domestic scene played by too many players, at the wrong time of the year, on poor pitches and in the wrong format. Little or no investment in players at the domestic level will always mean that you are looking to unearth diamonds and as we have seen, we are seeing less and less of the uncut diamonds. The PCB do however, find 80mn to fund the heart operations of its chairman and pointless trips for board members to go on tour. The PCB is a gravy train for the well connected and if it were to be disbanded tomorrow, there would be no negative impact on the national team as they do nothing to develop the game.
 
Whatever he achieved for Pakistan in the past, Misbah had no right to let Pakistan down in such a big way knowingly he would not be able to handle the tough twin tour due to his age. He was praised in the past now has to face the criticism too.

No one retires in Pakistan, Wasim, Waqar, Miandad, Inzimam, Yousuf, all ( except IK ) were sacked, Misbah still can avoid that fate by announcing his retirement.
 
I think some are forgetting that there was a campaign to ban Pakistan from international cricket with some high profile names suggesting that should happen. If that had happened that could have been the end of Pakistan cricket as we knew it. Those same people were then singing Misbah's praises for what he did with the Pakistan team on and off the field.

I am pretty sure that was a worry of everyone in the nation. Its unfair to say that Misbah was the only one who got us out of that mess. How are we to know what was going on behind the scenes?
 
I am pretty sure that was a worry of everyone in the nation. Its unfair to say that Misbah was the only one who got us out of that mess. How are we to know what was going on behind the scenes?

A leader leads, the rest follow.

It was imperative at that time that the right leader was brought in to clean up the mess and bad smell.

As some ran away, Misbah came in and lead Pakistan cricket from the front.
 
A leader leads, the rest follow.

It was imperative at that time that the right leader was brought in to clean up the mess and bad smell.

As some ran away, Misbah came in and lead Pakistan cricket from the front.

Ok so lets say if Misbah would have never lead Pakistan we would be banned from Cricket?
 
Ok so lets say if Misbah would have never lead Pakistan we would be banned from Cricket?

No idea. Do you know that for sure either way?

But one thing I do know for sure is that Misbah has been a fantastic ambassador on and off the field for Pakistan cricket, especially at a time when Pakistan cricket had very few friends out there.
 
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Misbah's legacy No 5 in Tests, No 8 in ODI's and No 7 in T-20's. Hopefully his legacy will not live forever.
 
No idea. Do you know that for sure either way?

But one thing I do know for sure is that Misbah has been a fantastic ambassador on and off the field for Pakistan cricket, especially at a time when Pakistan cricket had very few friends out there.

Wouldn't the entire world love a true fantastic shareef acha bacha role model for Pakistan Cricket on and off the field while the team languishes at No 5 in Test Cricket, No 8 in ODI's and No 7 in T-20s. Very little self respect i am afraid.
 
Misbah's legacy No 5 in Tests, No 8 in ODI's and No 7 in T-20's. Hopefully his legacy will not live forever.

You must have been suicidal when we were number one in the Test rankings. Must have been a tough time for you.

It may have escaped your attention but Misbah stopped playing T20s for Pakistan nearly 5 years ago, but you still blame him for the ranking........that's pretty sad even by your standards.
 
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You must have been suicidal when we were number one in the Test rankings. Must have been a tough time for you.

It may have escaped your attention but Misbah stopped playing T20s for Pakistan nearly 5 years ago, but you still blame him for the ranking........that's pretty sad even by your standards.

The no 1 ranking which lasted for how long 10 days? Very high standards

Glad you acknowledge him responsible for the No 5 and No 8 ranking in ODI's at the very least.
 
Whenever Misbah retires from international cricket he can leave with pride and dignity. Whatever he has achieved and done for Pakistan cricket will go down in history.

He lifted Pakistan cricket when it was at it's lowest point and in danger of crumbling.

His legacy will live on. He will be remembered forever for what he has achieved and his professionalism.

He will always be remembered as a great ambassador for Pakistan cricket.

I would have agreed with you if Misbah had had the good judgment to retire after England toured the UAE 14 months ago. He would have served his team and country above and beyond the call of duty to the age of 41, and got out of the way early enough to allow Babar Azam to play 9 Tests before the tour of Australia - rather than the 3 he actually got.

I have argued that a player like Waqar Younis should be judged by his peak, not discounted by his slow decline.

But the same cannot be said of an international cricket captain. It's a strange and idiosyncratic aspect of international cricket that the captain is effectively the team supremo, certainly senior in rank to the coach.

He gets the players he wants. He picks the balance of the team (e.g. how many fast bowlers and how many spinners). He chooses who bowls when, and for how long. And he sets the fields.

But this means that in every non-dysfunctional country, the captain is held accountable for the results.

And this is why Misbah is losing a lot of respect very fast.

He has been terrific at the diplomatic side of the job, which was unusually important due to the fixing that had been rife in the team before he inherited it.

But the last four series in 6 months have, to be frank, exposed Misbah as a thoroughly incompetent captain on all the important playing criteria.

Some of the best players were not selected. He is so friendly with his NCA bowling net-buddy Mohammad Asif that he even went to Oslo to play in a charity match there. But he did not try to get him into the team for the 3 series outside Asia where he was needed. Similarly Salman Butt and Umar Akmal's runs as second opener and in the middle order in Australia were not replaced.

His fields have been horrible for months and he has misused - and overused - Yasir Shah catastrophically. The same overuse without enough slips has completely neutralized and worn out Mohammad Amir and Wahab Riaz too. No fast bowler is ever going to get wickets in Australia with 1 slip. I've got film of Waqar and Wasim bowling with the old ball at Melbourne and Adelaide in 1989-90 still with 3 slips and a gully in place, because Imran Khan knew how to take wickets in Australia.

But Misbah has also blocked the development of young players, and the cost has been catastrophic. Zulfiqar Babar has played on forever with his Test bowling average of 40. But if Zafar Gohar had been persevered with he might have been ready to replace a mentally-shot Yasir Shah on this tour.

Meanwhile, Babar Azam scored 40 and 114 not out at Sharjah against Johnson, Starc, Siddle, Marsh, Lyon and O'Keefe in mid-October 2014.....then had to wait another 2 years to debut. Which meant that he arrived in Australia a rookie.

Misbah has to be accountable for the consequences of his actions.
 
misbah is good at team management. But he is a rubbish captain. People rating misbah as a captain makes me laugh.
 
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Misbah has created impediments to block the induction of young batsmen and mentally strong players like Imad in the team who can potentially challenge his authority and position.
 
misbah is good at team management. But he is a rubbish captain. People rating misbah as a captain makes me laugh.

Nah he is just good at being a shareef meek fellow who plays cricket in the right spirit but is content with being whitewashed, taking the team to no 5 in test matches, no 8 in ODI's
 
good thread.

After every series everyone starts reevaluating Misbah's legacy position

Misbah has captained this team at its lowest point, and has taken the same team to no.1 position when many would argue this team doesn't even have the players to get to no.1 rank.

Misbah's legacy will now only grow, it won't reduce.

If Misbah wins, people will remember those wins and celebrate it. If he losses, those losses would be bashed in real time, but over the time they would be forgotten because thats how life is.

Misbah's legacy took a big rise from the England Draw. His legacy reached its peak during the West Indies series. Had Misbah won against Australia or drawn the series, his legacy would had risen further.

The series loss to Australia was never going to affect his overall reputation

His legacy could only grow not fall, the only matter of concern is when will it reach its peak? If he wins more(even winning PSL twice) he gets more accolades and more rise in his reputation.

PSL? Lol. His peak was winning two tests in England and getting the mace. It couldn't be more obvious.

His legacy will certainly suffer if he continues to hang around for another year or so when it's clear that this is the time to hand over the reigns to Sarfaraz or Azhar.
 
The no 1 ranking which lasted for how long 10 days? Very high standards

Glad you acknowledge him responsible for the No 5 and No 8 ranking in ODI's at the very least.

No one cares how long he held it. The most important thing is that he did, and that Pakistan were the best team in the world at that point in time.
 
I would have agreed with you if Misbah had had the good judgment to retire after England toured the UAE 14 months ago. He would have served his team and country above and beyond the call of duty to the age of 41, and got out of the way early enough to allow Babar Azam to play 9 Tests before the tour of Australia - rather than the 3 he actually got.

I have argued that a player like Waqar Younis should be judged by his peak, not discounted by his slow decline.

But the same cannot be said of an international cricket captain. It's a strange and idiosyncratic aspect of international cricket that the captain is effectively the team supremo, certainly senior in rank to the coach.

He gets the players he wants. He picks the balance of the team (e.g. how many fast bowlers and how many spinners). He chooses who bowls when, and for how long. And he sets the fields.

But this means that in every non-dysfunctional country, the captain is held accountable for the results.

And this is why Misbah is losing a lot of respect very fast.

He has been terrific at the diplomatic side of the job, which was unusually important due to the fixing that had been rife in the team before he inherited it.

But the last four series in 6 months have, to be frank, exposed Misbah as a thoroughly incompetent captain on all the important playing criteria.

Some of the best players were not selected. He is so friendly with his NCA bowling net-buddy Mohammad Asif that he even went to Oslo to play in a charity match there. But he did not try to get him into the team for the 3 series outside Asia where he was needed. Similarly Salman Butt and Umar Akmal's runs as second opener and in the middle order in Australia were not replaced.

His fields have been horrible for months and he has misused - and overused - Yasir Shah catastrophically. The same overuse without enough slips has completely neutralized and worn out Mohammad Amir and Wahab Riaz too. No fast bowler is ever going to get wickets in Australia with 1 slip. I've got film of Waqar and Wasim bowling with the old ball at Melbourne and Adelaide in 1989-90 still with 3 slips and a gully in place, because Imran Khan knew how to take wickets in Australia.

But Misbah has also blocked the development of young players, and the cost has been catastrophic. Zulfiqar Babar has played on forever with his Test bowling average of 40. But if Zafar Gohar had been persevered with he might have been ready to replace a mentally-shot Yasir Shah on this tour.

Meanwhile, Babar Azam scored 40 and 114 not out at Sharjah against Johnson, Starc, Siddle, Marsh, Lyon and O'Keefe in mid-October 2014.....then had to wait another 2 years to debut. Which meant that he arrived in Australia a rookie.

Misbah has to be accountable for the consequences of his actions.

future insights or players development has never been Misbah's strength. Misbah always looked at short term working formula because it was important for him as his captaincy depended on it which meant indirectly meant his career.

The best example is playing the likes of Asad Shafiq,YK,Anwar Ali proven ODI failures in 2014 a year before the ODI world cup and keeping out the selection of Umar Akmal despite him had scored 2 50s in his last 3 innings. But he was forced to pick Umar Akmal in the side the moment world cup arrived. He was himself struggling poorly and even was rested and captaincy was given to Afridi due to media and people pressure. Misbbah was practically finished so was YK but both carried on to the world cup and rest is history. When personalities are taken above country then what result are you going to expect?

Also PCB has to share a lot of blame for not being clear when Misbah should have been leaving. They should have planned his exit and must have groomed someone to take captaincy from Misbah..They mistook Misbah for 10 years younger. This situation wouldn't have arise if there was any planning from the PCB.
 
future insights or players development has never been Misbah's strength. Misbah always looked at short term working formula because it was important for him as his captaincy depended on it which meant indirectly meant his career.

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This is a key point.

Misbah is highly skilled at implying "I'm only still here because the PCB pressured me".

But it is arrant nonsense. He is a figure of contempt and disdain in Australia for his captaincy and batting - to the point that the BBL contract in Sydney that he had lined up for this week onwards was quietly removed from the table.

It would have been easier to retire at Sydney than to hold on.

But hold on he is doing, because he is desperate to go on and on and on.
 
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