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Well done Qatar for sticking to your principles. Let them cry.
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H many Qatari gay married couples do you know?
None because it is illegal obviously. [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] is right, this thread is going nowhere. Those opposed to discrimination who are being paid by the Qataris will take their thirty pieces of silver to turn a blind eye. Just as the rebel cricketers turned a blind eye to South Africa.
You are comparing South African apartheid to Qatar's same-sex marriage ban. Not the same thing according to vast majority of the world population.
Vast majority of the countries on this planet do not find same-sex marriage normal.
I seriously hope that England don't go far in this tournament. That will teach them annoying woke liberals to focus on football and not cry about other countries culture.
They will find a way to blame the Qatari’s.
PM hails £10 billion Qatari ‘vote of confidence’ in the UK
The PM hosted the Amir of Qatar today to develop our historic partnership and agree new joint work on trade, energy and defence.
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The UK and Qatar signed a new Strategic Investment Partnership (SIP) which will see Qatar invest up to £10 billion over the next five years in key sectors of the UK economy, including fintech, zero emissions vehicles, life sciences and cyber security. The investment is expected to create high-quality jobs in new industries across the country.
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UK-Qatar trade was worth £4.8 billion last year and Qatari investment in the UK economy is already estimated to be worth over £40 billion, supporting jobs and growth across the country.
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Any every other European skipper too? And the Canadian skipper? And the Aussie skipper? And the American skipper? All will wear the rainbow armband.
I was a football fanatic growing up as a kid, moreso than cricket. The political agendas, blatant corruption, rank hypocrisy and nation-states spending limitless sums to buy success however has made me totally disenchanted. Nobody can claim the moral high ground.
1) Everyone knows the process behind the World Cup hosting rights was riddled with corruption and bribery. Qatar has never been a major football centre, they've literally had to build the infrastructure from scratch. FIFA should've been disbanded years ago and replaced with a credible governing body.
2) Where were the moral stances from players when Arab petrostates with dismal human rights records bought their clubs ? Last time I checked Man City and Newcastle weren't owned by Scandinavian social enterprises.
They are owned by two nations who've engineered the worst humanitarian disaster in decades in Yemen. One of which dismembered a journalist in 2018. Yet clearly the allure of big money and glittering silverware were enough to buy silence.
3) Qatar's use of migrant labour has been appalling. However the gall of the European press to suddenly now champion migrant rights. They've demonised migrants and asylum seekers for decades in inflammatory terms, creating ripe conditions for far-right politics.
4) Western Govts are staunch allies of these human rights violating Gulf autocracies. UK sold £20bn worth of arms to Saudi Arabia since 2015. It's wrong to play football in human rights violating countries but okay to sell them weapons ?
5) There's also a geopolitical reason why Qatar is being singled out. From all the Gulf autocracies, they pursue a semi-independent foreign policy and don't blindly follow the Saudi's script. Their willingess to engage with Iran led to MBS's failed blockade. Al Jazeera has flaws but remains the best media network in the Middle East. MBS and Israel despise Al Jazeera with Israel bombing its Gaza office and killing their leading Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh whose murder remains unpunished.
Of course. They will say ** like how England players couldn't play properly because of the Qatar heat.
South Africa's apartheid was condemned by almost all countries. Entire international community (east and west) condemned that inhumane apartheid.
Qatar's same-sex marriage ban is only condemned by 10-15 western countries. 100+ countries either have no issue with it or they explicitly support the marriage ban.
So, comparing Qatar's same-sex marriage ban to South Africa's apartheid is illogical.
Now this post is a gigantic misfire I’m sorry to say, because the heat will absolutely be a factor.
The whole tournament was moved from the summer to the winter for the first time ever specifically because of the heat.
And it will still be very hot (for football) even now. Most players won’t be used to running for 90 minutes in this sort of heat. I can see this reducing the chances of tournament victory for European teams in particular. There is a difference between an excuse and a legitimate reason.
What the hell does One Love mean anyway? Some dumb woke term invented by SJWs.
Respect for Mr. Gianni.
True statement.
The Fifa president, Gianni Infantino, has hit back at criticism of Qatar from Europe in a press conference on the eve of the World Cup.
The game’s global governing body has been attacked for its decision to take the finals to Qatar, where the treatment of migrant workers and the rights of LGBTQ+ people have been in the spotlight leading up to the finals.
“We have [been] told many, many lessons from some Europeans, from the western world,” Infantino said on Saturday. “I think for what we Europeans have been doing [for] the last 3,000 years we should be apologising for [the] next 3,000 years before starting to give moral lessons to people.”
Infantino began his speech by saying: “Today I feel Qatari. Today I feel Arabic. Today I feel African. Today I feel gay. Today I feel disabled. Today I feel [like] a migrant worker.
“Of course I am not Qatari, I am not an Arab, I am not African, I am not gay, I am not disabled. But I feel like it, because I know what it means to be discriminated [against], to be bullied, as a foreigner in a foreign country.
“As a child I was bullied – because I had red hair and freckles, plus I was Italian so imagine. What do you do then? You try to engage, make friends. Don’t start accusing, fighting, insulting, you start engaging. And this is what we should be doing.”
Infantino ended his hour-long press conference with an instruction to assembled journalists not to criticise the host nation. “If you need to criticise anybody, don’t put pressure on the players, the coaches.
“You want to criticise. You can crucify me. I’m here for that. Don’t criticise anyone. Don’t criticise Qatar. Let people enjoy this World Cup.”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/19/fifa-gianni-infantino-world-cup-qatar
Yeah he's not a historian but you should get the point.
I suggest you watch Exterminate the brutes.
Instead of trying to normalise the abnormal try to realise the damage Europe has caused for Millennia. It has zero moral authority. US has more tbh.
Welsh first minister Mark Drakeford reacts to Infantino
The first signs of fallout from Infantino’s speech come from the Welsh first minister, Mark Drakeford. Here’s what he has to say:
I had two thoughts when I heard those comments. First of all, I think there is a serious point about being prepared to review our own history. Wales is an outward-looking, inclusive nation where people’s rights really matter to us. But it wasn’t always like that. In our own history, we have had times when things that we have done, including things that we have done in other parts of the world, wouldn’t measure up to the sorts of beliefs and standards that we hold ourselves to today. So to take a moment to reflect on our own histories, it’s not a moment wasted.
The second thought I had listening to what was said was to remind me of Healy’s first law of holes. Some people will remember Denis Healey, the great labour politician. And his first law of holes was when you’re in one, stop digging.
Via Reuters
30 mins into Match of the Day they are still banging on about human rights interspersed with the odd mention of England's chances.
During a broadcast on Israeli public television, Maluma was asked: "Don't you have a problem with human rights violations in this country?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Outrageously disrespectful to Qatar that the BBC didn’t broadcast the World Cup opening ceremony, and instead put out more virtue-signalling guff about how awful it is. If they’re that appalled, they should bring home their vast army of employees & spare us this absurd hypocrisy.</p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1594380221356072960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Qatar should throw BBC out for this, such disrespect.
Qatar should throw BBC out for this, such disrespect.
The Football Association has been told by Fifa its regulations do not allow for Harry Kane to wear the “OneLove” armband designed to express solidarity with marginalised people, including the criminalised gay community, at the Qatar World Cup finals.
The latest conversation, part of a standard meeting between team officials and the Fifa match commissioner on Sunday, has left the FA deeply frustrated with Fifa on the eve of the first game against Iran.
There is concern among some European nations who have pledged to wear the armband in Qatar that the team captain could be subject to a booking as soon as the game kicks off, although that has not yet been conveyed to the players.
Fifa has said in private that it has to approve any change to the equipment worn by the players on the pitch. The governing body has so far failed to respond to the FA’s requests to get approval for the “OneLove” armband which Kane wore in the two most recent Nations League games in September. Fifa has also failed to offer any clarity on the issue to the media.
On Saturday, Fifa launched alternative armbands with what it describes as messages of solidarity. The Fifa armbands have different slogans for each round, most of them meaningless. The design of the Fifa armbands is said to incorporate the heart of the “OneLove” armbands favoured by the European nations but not the rainbow of the “OneLove” version that represents the LGBT community.
Speaking earlier in the day, the Holland captain Virgil van Dijk, whose side face Senegal on Monday, alluded to the risk of a booking for wearing the armband.
Van Dijk said: "I will wear the one love armband tomorrow. Nothing changed from our point of view. If I will get a yellow card for wearing it then we would have to discuss it because I don't like to play while being on a yellow [card]."
The England and Wales team operations groups both met with Fifa officials ahead of their opening games in Qatar. That is a standard meeting that takes place with officials from both sides before every game. Fifa declined to comment.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/fif...sedgntp&cvid=8bf338fa9c8e4f6eaea2d5b9fd5ea354
There is concern among some European nations who have pledged to wear the armband in Qatar that the team captain could be subject to a booking as soon as the game kicks off, although that has not yet been conveyed to the players.
Qatar should throw BBC out for this, such disrespect.
Oh god I wish I could watch bein sport
The droning on about England, constant criticising and sniping of Qatar holding the tournament snubbing the ceremony what disrespect
the over top criticism of the Qatar football team and their performance against Ecuador
I really hope iran causes an upset tomorrow I doubt it but we can only hope.
This. BBC are bunch of hypocritical fools. Qatar should kick out the likes of Linekar and co from their country.
Lets be honest, Qatar were very poor. I expected Ecuador to win, but I also expected a better performance from the host nation.
The BBC aren’t going to be thrown out of Qatar, it would cause an international incident, and not just with the UK.
Why didn't they say all this when Qatar was awarded the hosting rights? They should have boycotted the event. Why the hue and cry now?
Lol Qatar won again.
Qatar 1-0 Liberal West
Qatar 2 - 0 Liberal West
(The first goal/win was the joint decision to ban alcohol a few days before the tournament started)
And to add that some stadiums will be entirely dismantled and shipped to African countries.
Huh? What does that mean?
Can the MCG come to Dhaka, similarly?
Are you Bangladeshi?
Stadium 974 in Qatar will be dismantled and rebuilt and the remainder of the stadiums have been designed so that their capacity is reduced significantly and the redundant seats will be given to poor nations.
It's quite well managed and there will be no "white elephant" legacy as there has been in other countries.
Qatar wants to be like UAE. But their population is so small and the land is useless except for oil. I was watching a documentary about Qatar and just 50 years ago, the entire country was a desert with nomads riding camels. Oil changed their fortunes. Throwing billions of Petro dollars to buy reputation will not help them. They will forever rely on other nations for everything as nothing grows there and nothing can be done outside due to horrible oppressive heat.
It is the same for all of the UAE countries. Vast amounts of empty land, and the local population is usually outnumbered by immigrants. These are mostly fake nations which arose due to the British carving up the area and appointing a few sheikhs with whom they could strike favourable deals. It would have been better if Arabs from other nations were allowed to settle there, Palestinians for example. But once you have all that wealth must be difficult to stomach sharing it.
All nations are fake though. In reality there no countries apart from in the human imagination.
Qatar wants to be like UAE. But their population is so small and the land is useless except for oil. I was watching a documentary about Qatar and just 50 years ago, the entire country was a desert with nomads riding camels. Oil changed their fortunes. Throwing billions of Petro dollars to buy reputation will not help them. They will forever rely on other nations for everything as nothing grows there and nothing can be done outside due to horrible oppressive heat.
We can call them all the names under the world and chat about oil wealth etc but the fact is they have developed incredible infrastructure and have their claws in major overseas assets.
From camels in the desert to a world cup in 50 years is incredible.