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Kashmiri Muslim separatist leaders who challenge Hindu-majority India’s sovereignty over the disputed region urged a boycott of the vote, calling it an illegitimate exercise under military occupation. Most polling stations in Srinagar appeared deserted, with more police, paramilitary soldiers and election staff than voters. Srinagar was one of 95 constituencies which voted Thursday.

A majority of residents heeded the separatists’ call for a boycott, with only about 8% voter turnout in Srinagar, the urban heart of the anti-India revolt.

Anti-India protests and clashes erupted at several places during the voting, officials said. At least four people were injured when government forces fired bullets, shotguns and tear gas to quell protests by stone-throwing residents.

“This is not our vote. Our vote will be on the day we’re allowed to exercise a plebiscite” on Kashmir’s status, said Intizar Ahmed, a young trader in Srinagar. Another resident, Abdul Hamid, said he only voted in the hope that a Kashmiri representative in India’s Parliament will seek a resolution of the disputed region’s status.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b90ed24ceacb
 
the Kashmir issue has received legs internationally after this past few months
 
Slog said:
the Kashmir issue has received legs internationally after this past few months
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No matter how much certain hypocritical countries cry about Kashmir, Palestine, etc, everyone else understands that it is their internal matter.
 
Slog said:
the Kashmir issue has received legs internationally after this past few months
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Yeah it got legs alright, with that new formed legs, Pakistan will still never get Indian Kashmir nor will it separate from India :P...
 
Sachin136 said:
No matter how much certain hypocritical countries cry about Kashmir, Palestine, etc, everyone else understands that it is their internal matter.
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What does Palestine has to do with Kashmir?

Hypocritical? Do you suffer from selective dementia due to you inherited ignorance, when Kashmiri attack occupying army of India then all of sudden its Pakistan’s issue?
 
slipcatch said:
What does Palestine has to do with Kashmir?

Hypocritical? Do you suffer from selective dementia due to you inherited ignorance, when Kashmiri attack occupying army of India then all of sudden its Pakistan’s issue?
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Ok Mr Moralistic Pakistani,

I have a question for you, lets go back to the time right after partition:

What gave Pakistan the right to attack Kashmir and try and capture it ?

Let's be fair here, had Pakistan not attacked Kashmir in the first place, there would nor have been an India factor and this Kashmir issue would not be lingering today..

Anyway, eagerly waiting for your reply filled with morals and ethics..


Thanks
 
Romali_rotti said:
Ok Mr Moralistic Pakistani,

I have a question for you, lets go back to the time right after partition:

What gave Pakistan the right to attack Kashmir and try and capture it ?

Let's be fair here, had Pakistan not attacked Kashmir in the first place, there would nor have been an India factor and this Kashmir issue would not be lingering today..

Anyway, eagerly waiting for your reply filled with morals and ethics..


Thanks
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Lol, try it with someone else.

Narrative from both party isn’t hidden regarding Kashmir.

Stop playing dumb to be seen as smart.

People of Kashmir has spoken again against the occupying army and that’s all it matters.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Yeah it got legs alright, with that new formed legs, Pakistan will still never get Indian Kashmir nor will it separate from India :P...
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Let Indian army practice live ammunition on innocent civilians , killing them in thousands, yes its India's internal affair and world community should keep its eyes and ears closed.
 
slipcatch said:
Lol, try it with someone else.

Narrative from both party isn’t hidden regarding Kashmir.

Stop playing dumb to be seen as smart.

People of Kashmir has spoken again against the occupying army and that’s all it matters.
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Please answer his question in simple terms.
 
I am not desperate for IoK to become a part of Pak. This because I remain unconvinced the people really want that. As I have often said Kashmiris are just using Pakistan and it's military to fight their battle. India can't ever have Pak Kashmir either.
 
What Kashmiris really want is complete independence. I am convinced of this.
 
Madplayer said:
Lol at clutching at straws. Even if we accept 15 % figure, 85% still rejected India.

Secondly, We were under curfew in srinagar. I am not sure who went to vote lol. Probably the Indian establishment tripled the original figures of 3-4% to at least show that some people voted.
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Yes we fudged the numbers to a mind boggling 15%. You guys are geniuses:facepalm:
 
GBK_Fan said:
Yes we fudged the numbers to a mind boggling 15%. You guys are geniuses:facepalm:
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Perhaps try to read what i wrote. It is difficult to increase the numbers to 20-30 times the original number. So you do the best you can.
 
slipcatch said:
Lol, try it with someone else.

Narrative from both party isn’t hidden regarding Kashmir.

Stop playing dumb to be seen as smart.

People of Kashmir has spoken again against the occupying army and that’s all it matters.
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^ What happens when you dig yourself into a hole and have no answer. Sad!
 
Romali_rotti said:
Ok Mr Moralistic Pakistani,

I have a question for you, lets go back to the time right after partition:

What gave Pakistan the right to attack Kashmir and try and capture it ?

Let's be fair here, had Pakistan not attacked Kashmir in the first place, there would nor have been an India factor and this Kashmir issue would not be lingering today..

Anyway, eagerly waiting for your reply filled with morals and ethics..


Thanks
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Allright.
who gave India the moral right to invade Hyderabad? Junagarh,Goa?
 
warcry said:
Allright.
who gave India the moral right to invade Hyderabad? Junagarh,Goa?
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What happened before, Pakistan invading J & K or India invading those Princely States? Let me give you the answer, Pakistan first invaded J & K without any authority before India did the same to those states.
 
warcry said:
Allright.
who gave India the moral right to invade Hyderabad? Junagarh,Goa?
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Ahh I see my ethical Pakistanis are nothing but shooting ducks here. First of all this thread is related to Kashmir, so stick to that. Can't ans my question ? Then best you keep quiet...
 
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Reading History, I am amazed at the speed at which a plebiscite is arranged in Junagarh by
Knowing that the population is majority Hindu, It is speedily arranged and annexed into India.


I read repeated statements form the Indian Government of that time (1947) that that the matter of Junagarh's accession should be decided by its people instead of the ruler.

This is because the ruler of Junagarh had acceeded to Pakistan on 15 August 1947.

Yet India continues to claim Kashmir based on Hari Singh's Accession document, And refuses to hold a referendum.
 
warcry said:
Allright.
who gave India the moral right to invade Hyderabad? Junagarh,Goa?
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You're derailing the thread. If you want answers, then create a new one and any Indian will reply. This thread is about Kashmir. Stick to the subject matter.
 
warcry said:
Reading History, I am amazed at the speed at which a plebiscite is arranged in Junagarh by
Knowing that the population is majority Hindu, It is speedily arranged and annexed into India.


I read repeated statements form the Indian Government of that time (1947) that that the matter of Junagarh's accession should be decided by its people instead of the ruler.

This is because the ruler of Junagarh had acceeded to Pakistan on 15 August 1947.

Yet India continues to claim Kashmir based on Hari Singh's Accession document, And refuses to hold a referendum.
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Shameless at best.
 
PakLFC said:
What Kashmiris really want is complete independence. I am convinced of this.
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We really don’t mate. The rich elites in Srinagar are making money out of this conflict by making this pro independence nonsense.

Pulwama, Shopian, Kulgam, Kupwara, Baramulla, Bandipora are overwhelmingly pro Pakistan. Downtown Srinagar is also pro Pakistan.

Srinagar media gets all the headlines of pro independence but fact is Kashmir valley is mainly pro Pakistan.

South Kashmiris have difficulty even staying in Srinagar...that’s how divided the people are amongst each other.

In Budgam when the Indian helicopter went down, Kashmiris raised pro Pakistan slogans.

AJK is overwhelmingly pro Pakistan. The army jeep was garnished with petals when they came to take Abhinandan.

Chenab valley is pro Pakistan too.

Please stop spreading lies about Kashmiris
 
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Hitman said:
What happened before, Pakistan invading J & K or India invading those Princely States? Let me give you the answer, Pakistan first invaded J & K without any authority before India did the same to those states.
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India invaded first. The Poonch rebellion occurred within Kashmiris before the tribals entered. Read Christopher Snedden book
 
warcry said:
Reading History, I am amazed at the speed at which a plebiscite is arranged in Junagarh by
Knowing that the population is majority Hindu, It is speedily arranged and annexed into India.


I read repeated statements form the Indian Government of that time (1947) that that the matter of Junagarh's accession should be decided by its people instead of the ruler.

This is because the ruler of Junagarh had acceeded to Pakistan on 15 August 1947.

Yet India continues to claim Kashmir based on Hari Singh's Accession document, And refuses to hold a referendum.
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If you read history you would know that after Junagadh aceded to Pakistan, India simply closed its borders to Junagadh. This led to shortages in Junagadh and the nawab then asked pakistan for supplies, which pakistan didnot provide.

As people grew restless the Nawab abdicated in favour of the Diwan and ran away to Pakistan.

The diwan called a meeting of the council and asked for their opinion. They decided to acede to India and indian forces went to junagadh and held a plebicite.

A referendum in Kashmir will be held once invading pakistani forces vacate kashmir and the kashmiri pandits return to kashmir.
 
Wasim_Waqar said:
We really don’t mate. The rich elites in Srinagar are making money out of this conflict by making this pro independence nonsense.

Pulwama, Shopian, Kulgam, Kupwara, Baramulla, Bandipora are overwhelmingly pro Pakistan. Downtown Srinagar is also pro Pakistan.

Srinagar media gets all the headlines of pro independence but fact is Kashmir valley is mainly pro Pakistan.

South Kashmiris have difficulty even staying in Srinagar...that’s how divided the people are amongst each other.

In Budgam when the Indian helicopter went down, Kashmiris raised pro Pakistan slogans.

AJK is overwhelmingly pro Pakistan. The army jeep was garnished with petals when they came to take Abhinandan.

Chenab valley is pro Pakistan too.

Please stop spreading lies about Kashmiris
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How many times have you visited J and K?
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many times have you visited J and K?
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Is that really any of your business? Plus people are not going to tell their true feelings to indian tourists/occupiers.

99.9 percent of Kashmiris are united in not wanting India. The second question of an independent valley or Pakistan is a secondary issue. Pakistan will win comfortably. Do you think 800,000 Indian troops are in Kashmir because of an independence movement?

This is not personal.

For the sake of Pakistan, India and Kashmiris, Kashmir valley, Chenab valley, Kargil and Pir Panjal should be made part of Pakistan. India should take Ladakh and South Jammu and Jammu City.

We want peace. How many years can this go on for? 😞
 
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Bleedgreen4ever said:
According to psychology denial is the worst and most immature defense mechanism
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Unfortunately I feel it is the other way round.

Since 1947, we have not gained an inch of J&K and neither will we in the future. The sentiments of the Kashmiris is not our headache - it is between them and India.

After 72 years, we haven’t realized that we are not getting anything out of this. Our country is in the dumps but our obsession with Kashmir remains strong as ever.

If our strategies and tactics worked, we would have made some progress since 1947, but we haven’t.

Unfortunately, the problem is that Kashmir is actually a tool for the military to exercise control over Pakistan. No Kashmir conflict means potentially better relations with India, which will result in the military losing their stranglehold over the government.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
According to psychology denial is the worst and most immature defense mechanism
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J&K is an Indian domiciled state....it has representation in Indian parliament...its cricket team plays in Indian domestic cricket...its uses Indian tax payers money for developement etc etc

And somehow we are in denial for calling it an Indian state? A case of waking up and smelling the coffee perhaps.
 
Mamoon said:
Unfortunately I feel it is the other way round.

Since 1947, we have not gained an inch of J&K and neither will we in the future. The sentiments of the Kashmiris is not our headache - it is between them and India.

After 72 years, we haven’t realized that we are not getting anything out of this. Our country is in the dumps but our obsession with Kashmir remains strong as ever.

If our strategies and tactics worked, we would have made some progress since 1947, but we haven’t.

Unfortunately, the problem is that Kashmir is actually a tool for the military to exercise control over Pakistan. No Kashmir conflict means potentially better relations with India, which will result in the military losing their stranglehold over the government.
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Talking too much sense here, that is not good on a Kashmir thread... Truth, Pakistani military needs Kashmir to control all the funds of the Pakistani economy... Pakistan, I keep saying this; will go the way it is, it will be one of those countries that wont go far.



Waiting now for all the Champion Pakistanis to reply to my post indicating everything I said is wrong :angel: :inti
 
So Indians say its their internal matter and yet they have a million army men dictating the region for decades. When you need that many army men controlling a region, i know the exact term to describe the vicious inhumane motives. Such a drama nation and posters here. Kashmir was always a disputed land and it will remain so until India comes to table to resolve the issue.

Funny enough when freedom fighters go against Indian army's atrocities and terrorism, all of a sudden it becomes Pakistan matter according to Indians 😂
 
Mamoon said:
Unfortunately I feel it is the other way round.

Since 1947, we have not gained an inch of J&K and neither will we in the future. The sentiments of the Kashmiris is not our headache - it is between them and India.

After 72 years, we haven’t realized that we are not getting anything out of this. Our country is in the dumps but our obsession with Kashmir remains strong as ever.

If our strategies and tactics worked, we would have made some progress since 1947, but we haven’t.

Unfortunately, the problem is that Kashmir is actually a tool for the military to exercise control over Pakistan. No Kashmir conflict means potentially better relations with India, which will result in the military losing their stranglehold over the government.
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O mine, you make it sound like we have Saddam in our country.

Let's hear your thoughts on atrocities of Indian army on thousands of innocent kashmirirs for decades, but that would go against your typical anti-Pak rhetorics. I do recall how you were in favour of bombing madrasas in Pakistan regardless whether they have children studying there or not, just so you can prove how Indians would do us a favour by bombing madrasa based on false propaganda. Naive comment on Imran and Pakistan are pretty much a regular show here from you.
 
Mamoon said:
Unfortunately I feel it is the other way round.

Since 1947, we have not gained an inch of J&K and neither will we in the future. The sentiments of the Kashmiris is not our headache - it is between them and India.

After 72 years, we haven’t realized that we are not getting anything out of this. Our country is in the dumps but our obsession with Kashmir remains strong as ever.

If our strategies and tactics worked, we would have made some progress since 1947, but we haven’t.

Unfortunately, the problem is that Kashmir is actually a tool for the military to exercise control over Pakistan. No Kashmir conflict means potentially better relations with India, which will result in the military losing their stranglehold over the government.
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Kashmir is the reason why we lost East Pakistan in 1971

GOP must realize that the only way to win Kashmir is through referendum and that's it. War against a significantly larger country will yield no positive results.The only way we can win against them in war is if China gets involved.

If India fights wars on two fronts it will lose very badly since the chinese military will wipe it out of the map.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
With a UK passport yes I can anything else ?
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No you cannot. Lol. No matter what passport, if you are of Pakistani origin the rules that apply to you are same as that apply to a Pakistani.

You wont get a visa easily. If you do you wont get to go to Kashmir.

Lol. UK passport.
 
Kriketer said:
O mine, you make it sound like we have Saddam in our country.

Let's hear your thoughts on atrocities of Indian army on thousands of innocent kashmirirs for decades, but that would go against your typical anti-Pak rhetorics. I do recall how you were in favour of bombing madrasas in Pakistan regardless whether they have children studying there or not, just so you can prove how Indians would do us a favour by bombing madrasa based on false propaganda. Naive comment on Imran and Pakistan are pretty much a regular show here from you.
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Our crimes and atrocities in East Pakistan were worse than what India is doing in J&K. We should be the last country on Earth to take a moral high ground and criticise them for their "inhumane acts" considering our dirty past.
 
Mamoon said:
Our crimes and atrocities in East Pakistan were worse than what India is doing in J&K. We should be the last country on Earth to take a moral high ground and criticise them for their "inhumane acts" considering our dirty past.
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At least we accepted it unlike the Indians. They think no atrocities are happening and this is just a conspiracy against india.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Kashmir is the reason why we lost East Pakistan in 1971

GOP must realize that the only way to win Kashmir is through referendum and that's it. War against a significantly larger country will yield no positive results.The only way we can win against them in war is if China gets involved.

If India fights wars on two fronts it will lose very badly since the chinese military will wipe it out of the map.
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China will never support Pakistan in an outright war. Firstly, I don't think there will ever be a full-scale war between Pakistan and India again. In fact, the time for conventional warfare in general is over. However, if it happens anyway, Pakistan would be on their own. The Chinese are too smart and diplomatic to waste their resources on fighting Pakistan's wars.

The solution to the Kashmir issue is for Pakistan to respect the first point of the UN Resolution, i.e. to withdraw troops from the LoC. This will put the resolution in motion and India will be under pressure to oblige, i.e. by reducing the number of troops and to hold a fair plebiscite.

As long as Pakistan refusing to kick the resolution off due to the personal gains of the military, India has no obligation to pay heed to the demands of the Kashmiris. If our establishment had any care for the people of Kashmir, they would have saved them decades of bloodshed by respecting the UN Resolution soon after it was passed, but then again, Kashmir is their key to controlling the civilian government.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
At least we accepted it unlike the Indians. They think no atrocities are happening and this is just a conspiracy against india.
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We don't accept it officially. Any politician who comes out and accuses the military for their brutality in East Pakistan will pay a very heavy price. There are plenty of people in India who do agree that innocent blood has been spilled in J&K, but they do deflect the blame back to Pakistan because as long as we don't respect the UN Resolution, the Kashmir dispute cannot be solved.
 
Mamoon said:
We don't accept it officially. Any politician who comes out and accuses the military for their brutality in East Pakistan will pay a very heavy price. There are plenty of people in India who do agree that innocent blood has been spilled in J&K, but they do deflect the blame back to Pakistan because as long as we don't respect the UN Resolution, the Kashmir dispute cannot be solved.
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IK accepted it before becoming PM. Our tv shows are filled with people criticising what we did in 71. Our public is aware unlike the Indian public.
 
cricketjoshila said:
No you cannot. Lol. No matter what passport, if you are of Pakistani origin the rules that apply to you are same as that apply to a Pakistani.

You wont get a visa easily. If you do you wont get to go to Kashmir.

Lol. UK passport.
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It's okay It will be a part of Pakistan soon so then I won't need a visa.
 
Mamoon said:
We don't accept it officially. Any politician who comes out and accuses the military for their brutality in East Pakistan will pay a very heavy price. There are plenty of people in India who do agree that innocent blood has been spilled in J&K, but they do deflect the blame back to Pakistan because as long as we don't respect the UN Resolution, the Kashmir dispute cannot be solved.
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While the brutality in EP must be condemned one should not forget that Mujeeb started the unrest by killing so many West Pakistanis in his disobedience movement.

Military action took place only after that when so many lives were killed by these Bengali Terrorists
 
Only some andh bhakths can defend such a percentage :yk
 
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No problem if it turned out to be 0 percent. Doesn’t affect us in any way, shape or form.
 
For a sham democracy and an occupation, it doesnt matter if the voting percentage is 0. It is at the end of the day, an occupying force.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
At least we accepted it unlike the Indians. They think no atrocities are happening and this is just a conspiracy against india.
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Accepted it? Who was punished for it? The butcher of dhaka went on to become the COAS.
 
Hitman said:
No problem if it turned out to be 0 percent. Doesn’t affect us in any way, shape or form.
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Out of six constituencies in Jk three will have higher voting percentage than the national average.Voting percentage in baramullah constituency is over 35% only two constituencies will have low voting turnout
 
Rishikesh said:
Out of six constituencies in Jk three will have higher voting percentage than the national average.Voting percentage in baramullah constituency is over 35% only two constituencies will have low voting turnout
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Doesn't affect my country in any way, shape or form. Kashmiris can vote or opt not to vote. We care zilch.
 
BYt its beyound doubt that the area gas been occupied forcefully, Turn out does not matter, it will be qritten as dark chapter whenever the history of SC is written.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Talking too much sense here, that is not good on a Kashmir thread... Truth, Pakistani military needs Kashmir to control all the funds of the Pakistani economy... Pakistan, I keep saying this; will go the way it is, it will be one of those countries that wont go far.



Waiting now for all the Champion Pakistanis to reply to my post indicating everything I said is wrong :angel: :inti
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What mamoon said is true but its true that Kashmir is not in your govt's control and the Kashmiri population wants to do nothing with India and want independence.

The fact that its been more than 60 years and Kashmir issue is still hot is a testament to the failure of the Indians.
 
Hitman said:
Doesn't affect my country in any way, shape or form. Kashmiris can vote or opt not to vote. We care zilch.
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There are Kashmiris who wants to vote despite being threatened by separatists and terrorists that's why 15% and 11% people from the two of the most troublesome constituencies in India came to vote.
 
Hitman said:
No problem if it turned out to be 0 percent. Doesn’t affect us in any way, shape or form.
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When you say 'us' I assume you consider Kashmiris to be 'them'? like some other? non-Indian?
 
Mamoon said:
We don't accept it officially. Any politician who comes out and accuses the military for their brutality in East Pakistan will pay a very heavy price. There are plenty of people in India who do agree that innocent blood has been spilled in J&K, but they do deflect the blame back to Pakistan because as long as we don't respect the UN Resolution, the Kashmir dispute cannot be solved.
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Plenty? how many? 10? 12? 100?
and how many Pakistan who criticize our conduct in east Pakistan?
Or is this just you doing the usual thing of writing lots of word because of your feelings, not facts?
 
Pete Rose said:
When you say 'us' I assume you consider Kashmiris to be 'them'? like some other? non-Indian?
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Even for the most vocal Indians claiminv Kashmiris to be their own people, the idea of us vs them is there in the subconscious. Now wait till he comes with some excuse that he meant something else.
 
Slim said:
The fact that its been more than 60 years and Kashmir issue is still hot is a testament to the failure of the Indians.
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Sir,

India has progressed, politically and economically, Indian political influence is strong in the world, while Pakistan is getting closer and closer to being black listed by FAFT.

Do India have problems ? sure PLENTY, however you Pakistanis are worst off as always, lets put things into perspective;

- You practically have no meaningful economy,
- Have not achieved anything since independence,
- Your military controls whatever money from economy, loans etc your
country can muster up, all in the name of a Kashmir and a false India
boogie man propaganda, when it should be going towards the benefit of
its people and development of the country.....

I always say this, Pakistanis should not talk morals, neither should Indians, however Pakistanis are in a broken glass house which makes it worst.....


Now Bring on all the Champion Pakistani keyboard warriors to attack my post because I speak the cold hard truth.... Truth sucks, I know....


P.S. I am not anti Pakistani quite the opposite, want the country to do well...
 
Mamoon said:
We don't accept it officially. Any politician who comes out and accuses the military for their brutality in East Pakistan will pay a very heavy price. There are plenty of people in India who do agree that innocent blood has been spilled in J&K, but they do deflect the blame back to Pakistan because as long as we don't respect the UN Resolution, the Kashmir dispute cannot be solved.
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Musharraf accepted it
 
Pete Rose said:
Plenty? how many? 10? 12? 100?
and how many Pakistan who criticize our conduct in east Pakistan?
Or is this just you doing the usual thing of writing lots of word because of your feelings, not facts?
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Numbers don't matter. Could be 10, 12, 100 or a million. There are people in India who criticise the atrocities in Kashmir just like there are people in Pakistan who criticise our atrocities in East Pakistan.

If you want distinction between facts and feelings, well, it is a fact that the UN Resolution cannot be implemented unless Pakistan takes the initiative and respects the first point of the resolution, i.e. Pakistan has to withdraw its troops from the LoC. I of course don't need to tell you what will happen if our PM tells the COAS to withdraw troops from the LoC.

Unless and until Pakistan takes step 1, we cannot proceed to step 2 and step 3, i.e. India will have to minimise the presence of troops and a fair plebiscite will have to be held to decide the future of Kashmir.

Now if we talk about feelings, the notion that we can wrestle Kashmir out of India's control by continuing what we have done since 47 (even though it has not worked at all) is what we can call a feeling, which unfortunately is nowhere close to reality.
 
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