Osama Bin Laden is DEAD

[Shayan]

people still are stuck on whether Osama was behind 9/11 or not whereas the rest of the world has got rid of him and are looking forward.

no wonder our country doesnt progress when people have such lines of thinking

It's not about being stuck and looking forward. Surely the best way to prove everything he has done was to put him on trial. That's all we're saying.

 

[ace4rmspace]

people still are stuck on whether Osama was behind 9/11 or not whereas the rest of the world has got rid of him and are looking forward.

no wonder our country doesnt progress when people have such lines of thinking

I think if you look closely, everyone is looking forward. The problem is that what they're seeing is dangerous. Maybe if the past wasn't so riddled with questions and innacurate accounts of events coupled with conflicts of interest, the future wouldn't look so bleak for lots of people. Trying Osama in a court of law and laying bare the true facts, showing him up for the maniac he really was would have laid to rest most of those questions. I don't regret the loss of life as much as a massive opportunity missed to correct history itself. A history which will greatly influence most of our lives at some point in the future.

 

[ace4rmspace]

It's not about being stuck and looking forward. Surely the best way to prove everything he has done was to put him on trial. That's all we're saying.

Exactly!

 

[Levity]

Lol at you selectively quoting posts...

What evidence is there that Osama was directly involved in the events of 9/11?...

Is it ok to assassinate armed men?...

Does every man not deserve a fair trial?...

And as for the likes of Pinger who see no issue with the manner of murder...assassinating unarmed men goes against International law hence why its being discussed...the discussion is about the violation of legal principles...ends do not justify means...if he was shot in cold blood that is a crime...

Pinger's probably a 'white' man.

 

[Fawad]

Pinger's probably a 'white' man.

White is always right.

 

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

They have killed so many kashmiri pakistani

Who? Modi?

*** are you on about?

 

[Markhor]

Can people really guarantee Osama Bin Laden answering allegations in front of an international criminal court ?

He would have probably committed suicide before the case or in custody i.e Vlajko Stojiljkovic.

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

million dollar question answered by this guy ...who killed osama

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[PakPrince]

This is why you're 19 and type like 10 a year old. Grow up brah.

this is why youre a wannabe g0ra and use terms like brah

 

[anand99]

Maybe some of the posters on PP need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your view point, and no amount of insulting or repetition of the same thing is going to convince others to change their mind. There is the same amount of conviction and belief in their mind about their opinions as you have about yours.

 

[Waq]

Maybe some of the posters on PP need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your view point, and no amount of insulting or repetition of the same thing is going to convince others to change their mind. There is the same amount of conviction and belief in their mind about their opinions as you have about yours.

Thanks for that Anand. You must really care

 

[GOAT]

this is why youre a wannabe g0ra and use terms like brah

Is this real life? Did this just happen? Am I imagining this post and it's absurdity?

Come on dude don't be racist, this thread is radical.

Am I fair and lovely yet?! nvir

 

[Poison]

Maybe some of the posters on PP need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your view point, and no amount of insulting or repetition of the same thing is going to convince others to change their mind. There is the same amount of conviction and belief in their mind about their opinions as you have about yours.

Inherent problem with debating or arguing on the interwebs

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Who? Modi?

*** are you on about?

*its hard to comprehend ? i am talkin about indian army

 

[Levity]

Did Pakistani intelligence really know nothing about Osama Bin Laden's whereabouts until the US raid that killed him in Abbottabad on Sunday night? How did US helicopters fly so deep into Pakistani airspace without apparently being detected? The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Islamabad talks to intelligence officials to find out more.

"The first we knew they were coming was after they had crossed the Durand line," Ayaz says, referring to the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Ayaz - not his real name - works for Pakistani intelligence. He spoke to me a few days after the killing of Osama Bin Laden by US Navy Seals in north-west Pakistan.

"There were four helicopters coming in very low and the protocols set in. Jets were being scrambled, but they were called back in as the US then informed the High Command.

"They gave us a grid and told us that they were going there after "a high-value" target. There are certain protocols when that happens - we take care of the outer security, while they go in and do their work.

"We certainly didn't know who exactly was in there."

Ayaz dismisses claims that the Americans jammed Pakistan's radars.

"These type of helicopters - if they fly really low - have no real signature. But they can be sighted visually - which they were - and this led to the alert."
Pakistani policemen stand guard outside the hideout house of slain Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad on May 5, 2011. ...the authorities were apparently unaware he was right under their noses

Ayaz said that Pakistani officials believed that the Americans were going to raid a hideout in the mountains near Abbottabad.

"We didn't think it was going to be right in the city."

That is something that everybody has focused on - how Osama Bin Laden could have been right under the noses of the intelligence agencies, as the authorities claim, without their knowledge.

Pakistani security officials say it was an intelligence failure - but many people find that hard to believe.

The intelligence officials I spoke to thought the compound a poor place to hide someone.

"If he was living there, it wasn't for very long," says Mahmud, another security operative.

"Anybody who has tracked Osama knows that he would never stay in one place for more than a few weeks.

"That was the cornerstone of his security - eventually people talk and information about him would get out."

Ayaz agrees - and then points out that an even bigger issue was the choice of hiding place.

"Just look at the house - it sticks out like a sore thumb from a mile off. You've been to Abbottabad - you know how these small towns are.

"Everybody knows everything about everybody, and secretive people are routinely investigated, especially by the police.

"If anybody wants to know about the house, they should just ask the local thana [police station]."

In addition, if Osama was with the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), this was the last place anybody would put him in, Ayaz argues.

"If you wanted to keep him in an urban area - we have much better protected and discreet safe houses than these.

"Theoretically speaking, if the ISI had Osama and he was being kept here, the officer responsible should be court-martialled."
'Conspicuous place'

Both men, and other intelligence and security officials, also point out there are many discrepancies in the American version of how Bin Laden was located.

"They say he was living here for such a long time - then he must have been to local hospitals," says Ayaz.

"He was not a very well man - he had kidney problems and other medical issues.

"You figure it out yourself - if he was living here for so long some news would have been filtered out."

Then there is the break in pattern. All intelligence officials say Osama Bin Laden would never wander so far from the Afghan border.

This is corroborated by senior members of a leading Taliban faction, the Haqqani network - one of whom says he met Bin Laden near the town of Chitral two months ago.

Confirming the al-Qaeda leader was dead, he said he was puzzled that he had gone as far as Abbottabad.

There is also a general consensus that Osama Bin Laden preferred living in rural Pashtun and Afghan communities - although reports of him living in cities have surfaced from time to time.

While the last official sighting of him was in the Tora Bora mountains in eastern Afghanistan in 2001, this correspondent has spoken to people who say they saw Bin Laden in Waziristan in Pakistan's tribal areas in 2004-2005.

There had been no confirmed sighting since then, until the Haqqani network member spoke after he was killed.

"For someone who was so careful about his whereabouts, why would he decide to come to such a conspicuous place?" Mahmud asks.

"There could only be one outcome of such a situation - that he would be cornered and shot."

Ayaz says he has "a strong feeling... the Americans had someone inside or in contact with the people in the compound guiding them".

"Fine, they were very good operationally - but who told them he was there and would stay?

"So if Osama was indeed killed in Abbottabad, the main share of the credit goes to this person. Without him, nothing would have been possible."

It is impossible to confirm his hunch but it is an intriguing thought.

BBC News

The inconsistency of all accounts is surely an eye-opener for even the most cynical of cynics.

However, what is consistent is the blood-thirsty Caucasian who celebrated the killing of a man, of whom they had no knowledge to be innocent or guilty of his crimes. Crimes, the allegations of which, were filed by world-renowned liars. The same then have the audacity to suspect others of being brainwashed. What a civilised world we live in...

 

[shaykh1985]

Lol this gets more and more ridiculous...now documents found at Osama's home show he was planning to launch fresh terror attacks...

Will we ever get any proof of this accusation?...of course not...

We were fed lies about Iraq and their WMD's...we're being fed lies on Libya...and I'm sure many remember that appalling attempt of a video where the fake Osama said he was responsible for 9/11...

And I'm sure many remember how the US turned down taking Bin Laden when he was offered to them in Afghanistan...

At best it appears you could charge Osama with inciting violence...in no shape way or form has anything about his DIRECT link to anything been plausible...

Lol a fake videotape and a list of hijackers of whom many were actually alive and well...

The US seem to have an uncanny knack for finding terror plots in random houses lol...

 

[NJamal]

Lol this gets more and more ridiculous...now documents found at Osama's home show he was planning to launch fresh terror attacks...

Will we ever get any proof of this accusation?...of course not...

We were fed lies about Iraq and their WMD's...we're being fed lies on Libya...and I'm sure many remember that appalling attempt of a video where the fake Osama said he was responsible for 9/11...

And I'm sure many remember how the US turned down taking Bin Laden when he was offered to them in Afghanistan...

At best it appears you could charge Osama with inciting violence...in no shape way or form has anything about his DIRECT link to anything been plausible...

Lol a fake videotape and a list of hijackers of whom many were actually alive and well...

The US seem to have an uncanny knack for finding terror plots in random houses lol...

American nation is standing on a heap of lies.

 

[pinger]

And that is fine as that is your opinion

Nobody here loves Osama Bin Laden. Many posters including myself have doubts whether he is actually responsible for 9/11 and other atrocities and whether he dies years ago.

USA cannot preach democracy and than assasinate someone when they could have had a trial.

It comes down to whether you believe USA are a moral authority or not? Living in the UK, we are lead to believe this by the media, politicians and dare I say our education system. I even fall for this when watching a Rambo film. At the end of the day, when I think hard about it, USA is lead by moral less goons and I have no reason to believe the recent reports especially as they have a history of BS and hypocrisy.

You guys are so counter intuitive it is harrowingly difficult even to talk to you with a straight face.

If you honestly think Osama has been dead for the last 5 years and Al-Queda would say nothing, perform no rituals for him or mourn him then you are dumber than you seem.

And if you have already bought the Bush caused 9-11 conspiracy theories, again there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.

Do I think the Bush admininistration made up intelligence to support the invasion of Iraq? Absolutely, google the Office of Special Plans. If you thingk they could do the same and coordinate the 9/11 attacks and keep it mum you are chugging the kool aid.

They spun the biggest pile of dog crap in the UN we have ever seen over WMD, and most of our media was good on calling it out until war was actually declared. Unfortunately our governments did not do their due diligence on the intelligence presented, and alot of harm has resulted.

However, strawmen after strawmen does not establish truth.

If Osama were still alive, the most crushing thing he could do would be to upload a video to youtube. Which even brain dead American teenagers can do.

Guess what- no video.

I don't thing think the US should be judge jury and executioner but these are extra-ordinary circumstances. A realist knows why they chose the path they did.

 

[Fawad]

You guys are so counter intuitive it is harrowingly difficult even to talk to you with a straight face.

If you honestly think Osama has been dead for the last 5 years and Al-Queda would say nothing, perform no rituals for him or mourn him then you are dumber than you seem.

And if you have already bought the Bush caused 9-11 conspiracy theories, again there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.

Do I think the Bush admininistration made up intelligence to support the invasion of Iraq? Absolutely, google the Office of Special Plans. If you thingk they could do the same and coordinate the 9/11 attacks and keep it mum you are chugging the kool aid.

They spun the biggest pile of dog crap in the UN we have ever seen over WMD, and most of our media was good on calling it out until war was actually declared. Unfortunately our governments did not do their due diligence on the intelligence presented, and alot of harm has resulted.

However, strawmen after strawmen does not establish truth.

If Osama were still alive, the most crushing thing he could do would be to upload a video to youtube. Which even brain dead American teenagers can do.

Guess what- no video.

I don't thing think the US should be judge jury and executioner but these are extra-ordinary circumstances. A realist knows why they chose the path they did.

Once a liar, always a liar.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Al-CIAda confirm his death now.

In a statement posted on a Jihadist website,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...bin-Laden-killed-al-Qaeda-confirms-death.html

Just like his body there is no need to confirm who wrote this on the site. Go cowboys.

 

[ace4rmspace]

I guess its a case of lack of credibility on the part of the US pinger, which makes people question their claims, especially when all you have to go on is their word, don't you think? If they can lie on one account, can't they lie about something else? You mentioned the whole WMD Saga and invading Iraq yourself. If they had hard core eveidence about anything, wouldn't they rather use that than produce a stinking pile of horse manure to justify their actions. Wouldn't one naturally start questioning their invasion of Afghanistan aswell, once the reasons for the Iraq operation proved to be bogus?

It's hard to trust someone when they have been caught lying, it just can't be helped. I'm not saying they're lying on this occassion, what they say might be nothing but the truth, but you can't criticise people for questioning a liar can you?

 

[in_cutter]

So Al-Qaeda 'confirms Laden death' on a 'jihadist website'.

How is Al-Qaeda able to confirm this when it is the U.S who 'killed' and 'buried' him within 24hrs??

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Lol this gets more and more ridiculous...now documents found at Osama's home show he was planning to launch fresh terror attacks...

Will we ever get any proof of this accusation?...of course not...

We were fed lies about Iraq and their WMD's...we're being fed lies on Libya...and I'm sure many remember that appalling attempt of a video where the fake Osama said he was responsible for 9/11...

And I'm sure many remember how the US turned down taking Bin Laden when he was offered to them in Afghanistan...

At best it appears you could charge Osama with inciting violence...in no shape way or form has anything about his DIRECT link to anything been plausible...

Lol a fake videotape and a list of hijackers of whom many were actually alive and well...

The US seem to have an uncanny knack for finding terror plots in random houses lol...

ah how convenient - watch the retards in the west lap up this BS

 

[Romali_rotti]

Just heard a crazy rumour that Osama's head and both hands were cut off, the photgraphs were so gruesome that it would cause an uproar if released to the public.......... If true thats true WOW, I am out of words...

 

[anand99]

So Al-Qaeda 'confirms Laden death' on a 'jihadist website'.

How is Al-Qaeda able to confirm this when it is the U.S who 'killed' and 'buried' him within 24hrs??

He didn't RSVP when they sent him the invite for the summer bootcamp?

 

[ace4rmspace]

He didn't RSVP when they sent him the invite for the summer bootcamp?

That is quite a likely possibility ... he's not one to miss the summer bootcamp.

 

[ace4rmspace]

Just heard a crazy rumour that Osama's head and both hands were cut off, the photgraphs were so gruesome that it would cause an uproar if released to the public.......... If true thats true WOW, I am out of words...

I heard the Osama Rubber Mask still had a $9.99 price sticker on it's forehead which wasn't noticed at the time, ruined the whole shot ...

 

[BonoX]

Al-CIAda confirm his death now.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...bin-Laden-killed-al-Qaeda-confirms-death.html

Just like his body there is no need to confirm who wrote this on the site. Go cowboys.

hahahaha.. now al-qaeda itself is a CIA operation...! geez, sometimes u guys live so far beyond reality that its hard to think if u live in a real world or in some virtual make belief world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

hahahaha.. now al-qaeda itself is a CIA operation...! geez, sometimes u guys live so far beyond reality that its hard to think if u live in a real world or in some virtual make belief world.

Come on dude, surely you would rather give a detailed rebuttal of who Al-CIAda are and how/when/why they were created instead of laughing in disgust because Uncle Sam has been shown up.

 

[anand99]

Come on dude, surely you would rather give a detailed rebuttal of who Al-CIAda are and how/when/why they were created instead of laughing in disgust because Uncle Sam has been shown up.

Can't you just google that? Why does he have to sit and type that up?

 

[USaqaf]

Heres what I want to know.

During the disastrous floods in Pakistan , Abbottabad was also under water, why didnt OBL leave after this calamity? The Americans have been watching this place for over a year.
In over a year they could not catch even 1 glimpse of OBL?
Are you serious, not even a picture of a casual walk in his fortified compound protected by 18ft walls?
The safe house was over a mile away , theres no way they could have seen him, but the satellites could yet dont have any picture?

 

[in_cutter]

hahahaha.. now al-qaeda itself is a CIA operation...! geez, sometimes u guys live so far beyond reality that its hard to think if u live in a real world or in some virtual make belief world.

I suppose US faxed DNA results to Al-Qaeda...its the only way AlQaeda could confirm his death.

 

[BonoX]

I suppose US faxed DNA results to Al-Qaeda...its the only way AlQaeda could confirm his death.

Maybe, just maybe.. al-qaeda actually knew where Bin Laden was! wow.. now wont that be a surprise if they knew! and maybe they took time to confirm all this from their sources within Pakistan . I don;t know how i am saying this.. but al-qaeda might actually be less conspiratorial than some of u poster here! that says something!

 

[NJamal]

Maybe, just maybe.. al-qaeda actually knew where Bin Laden was! wow.. now wont that be a surprise if they knew! and maybe they took time to confirm all this from their sources within Pakistan . I don;t know how i am saying this.. but al-qaeda might actually be less conspiratorial than some of u poster here! that says something!

Yes they knew where Bin Laden was in a grave some where.

 

[GOAT]

I've believed since day one Bin Laden was dead, perhaps even before that. Thing is though, the timing of the Al-Qaeda announcement is so perfect. Yesterday the question was "is OBL really dead?" and today we have our answer. Now this points to a few things:

1). The US has much more information, slowly releasing it at strategic points in time to make the most of the situation.
2). It's all just a little too "perfect"

 

[BonoX]

Yes they knew where Bin Laden was in a grave some where.

They knew where OBL was hiding!! hence they know Americans got him! u see .. its simple when u use your brain.

 

[NJamal]

They knew where OBL was hiding!! hence they know Americans got him! u see .. its simple when u use your brain.

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not brain washed like you and I can use my brain.

 

[BonoX]

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not brain washed like you and I can use my brain.

Yeah sure.. anyone who can outdo al-qaeda in conspiracy theories must have something in their brain.

 

[NJamal]

Yeah sure.. anyone who can outdo al-qaeda in conspiracy theories must have something in their brain.

You know what actually Al Qaeda is a conspiracy theory it self.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They knew where OBL was hiding!! hence they know Americans got him! u see .. its simple when u use your brain.

Even if we agree on the above, how could they possibly know OBL is actually dead? Are you saying Al-Qaeda accept what the Americans say? For all they know he could be held alive somewhere. How do you it was actually Al-Qeada who wrote this statement?

 

[BonoX]

Even if we agree on the above, how could they possibly know OBL is actually dead? Are you saying Al-Qaeda accept what the Americans say? For all they know he could be held alive somewhere. How do you it was actually Al-Qeada who wrote this statement?

If that was the case, Americans would have abducted everyone from the compound to leave no trace of what really happened. but no.. they left his wife, daughter and several children alive so they can relay to the whole world on what really happened. If they had taken him alive and not drag his dead body along the stairs, bin ladens 12 year old daughter would say so .. now unless u think they too are complicit somehow and working for CIA, then u probably also believe earth is hollow. Its clear Al-Qaeda has made that pretty straight forward logical assumption.

 

[BonoX]

You know what actually Al Qaeda is a conspiracy theory it self.

and u were saying something about being brain washed!

 

[Savak]

It is impossible for a human being to lock himself inside a house, compound for 6 long years with no breath, view of the outside world. Its just not humanly possible barring paralysis and severe illness ofcourse.

 

[Savak]

Why didnt they just try to take Bin Laden alive? Especially when he was unarmed? A few tear gases, chloroform shots would have easily done the trick. Bin Laden would have been more useful alive than dead.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If that was the case, Americans would have abducted everyone from the compound to leave no trace of what really happened. but no.. they left his wife, daughter and several children alive so they can relay to the whole world on what really happened. If they had taken him alive and not drag his dead body along the stairs, bin ladens 12 year old daughter would say so .. now unless u think they too are complicit somehow and working for CIA, then u probably also believe earth is hollow. Its clear Al-Qaeda has made that pretty straight forward logical assumption.

At least read up on why the Americans left those behind. They claim(not me) people were left behind because one of their choppers was down and they didn't have enough room to take them.

Try another theory.

 

[BonoX]

At least read up on why the Americans left those behind. They claim(not me) people were left behind because one of their choppers was down and they didn't have enough room to take them.

Try another theory.

oh geez.. u still dont get it, do u?? it doesn't matter what their intentions were.. what matters is they left people behind, a 12 year old girl with a first hand account of the whole drama who is going to be released shortly and who is going to dictate to the ever hungry media exactly what she saw... if Americans didn't kill him in the spot they wouldn't claim it knowing there was an eye witness to the whole account.

 

[KingKhanWC]

oh geez.. u still dont get it, do u?? it doesn't matter what their intentions were.. what matters is they left people behind, a 12 year old girl with a first hand account of the whole drama who is going to be released shortly and who is going to dictate to the ever hungry media exactly what she saw... if Americans didn't kill him in the spot they wouldn't claim it knowing there was an eye witness to the whole account.

You claimed they left people on purpose, read your post. I do get you now don't claim this anymore and now are saying it worked out for the Americans because you are now aware they didn't leave people on purpose but because they had no choice(their story).

Now your saying we should take the word of his wife and 12 year old child. This is all you have, nothing more.

How do we know this was his wife? After a few hours in custody and interigation women would claim to be Elvis's wife if that's what the authorities want them to say.

Your only argument for this to be true is based on media reports about a woman and child in custody. lol

 

[Invictus]

You claimed they left people on purpose, read your post. I do get you now don't claim this anymore and now are saying it worked out for the Americans because you are now aware they didn't leave people on purpose but because they had no choice(their story).

Now your saying we should take the word of his wife and 12 year old child. This is all you have, nothing more.

How do we know this was his wife? After a few hours in custody and interigation women would claim to be Elvis's wife if that's what the authorities want them to say.

Your only argument for this to be true is based on media reports about a woman and child in custody. lol

This is so retarded man. How do I know you are a person and not a highly trained monkey ?
These "theories" are so childish. There is nothing to gain for the americans if Bin Laden was found in Pakistan. Americans already have countless agents on ground in Pakistan. The violate our air space weekly and kill people on the ground. They pay our government and army huge sums of money and weapons. They own us already. They don't need a conspiracy to do what they want with us when they already have that power.
There is/was/will be no need to go to lengths you guys are proposing to fake his death. He was in a house in Abbotabad and was shot and killed by the Americans that is what happened.

 

[Fireworks11]

Many protests outside the US Embassy in London today.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is so retarded man. How do I know you are a person and not a highly trained monkey ?
These "theories" are so childish. There is nothing to gain for the americans if Bin Laden was found in Pakistan. Americans already have countless agents on ground in Pakistan. The violate our air space weekly and kill people on the ground. They pay our government and army huge sums of money and weapons. They own us already. They don't need a conspiracy to do what they want with us when they already have that power.
There is/was/will be no need to go to lengths you guys are proposing to fake his death. He was in a house in Abbotabad and was shot and killed by the Americans that is what happened.

You take the word of Uncle Sam and call me retarted.lol. Either address the points I have made as to why this doesn't add up or go and eat your blueberry pie while dancing round the stars and stripes.

 

[BonoX]

You claimed they left people on purpose, read your post. I do get you now don't claim this anymore and now are saying it worked out for the Americans because you are now aware they didn't leave people on purpose but because they had no choice(their story).

Now your saying we should take the word of his wife and 12 year old child. This is all you have, nothing more.

How do we know this was his wife? After a few hours in custody and interigation women would claim to be Elvis's wife if that's what the authorities want them to say.

Your only argument for this to be true is based on media reports about a woman and child in custody. lol

I never claimed they left people on purpose .. i just said there was people who got left behind.. intentionally or not intentionally doesn't really matter .. what matters is there is a first hand account of everything that happened by more than 1 person.

Now if u wanna believe she is elvis's wife, you might also wanna believe that we are all part of a video game.. you probably have your head so far down in the sand u have lost touch with reality..

u see problem with u conspiracy theorists are - its not that u don't believe .. its that u don't wanna believe.. its too painful for pakistan and if u r a jihadist sympathizer then this is like a nightmare.
its the same with birther movement in US .. some just can't accept the fact a black man can be president..
But reasonable people can draw reasonable conclusion looking at all the fact.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I never claimed they left people on purpose .. i just said there was people who got left behind.. intentionally or not intentionally doesn't really matter .. what matters is there is a first hand account of everything that happened by more than 1 person.

Yes you did. There is no hiding place on a forum.

This is what you wrote:

"If that was the case, Americans would have abducted everyone from the compound to leave no trace of what really happened. but no.. they left his wife, daughter and several children alive so they can relay to the whole world on what really happened."

Now if u wanna believe she is elvis's wife, you might also wanna believe that we are all part of a video game.. you probably have your head so far down in the sand u have lost touch with reality..

u see problem with u conspiracy theorists are - its not that u don't believe .. its that u don't wanna believe.. its too painful for pakistan and if u r a jihadist sympathizer then this is like a nightmare.
its the same with birther movement in US .. some just can't accept the fact a black man can be president..
But reasonable people can draw reasonable conclusion looking at all the fact.

lol. You should try stand up.

 

[Invictus]

You take the word of Uncle Sam and call me retarted.lol. Either address the points I have made as to why this doesn't add up or go and eat your blueberry pie while dancing round the stars and stripes.

Listen man its nice to recite rhetorical cliches. And I like the fact that you use these terms atleast appropriately. But that does not mean you can go around question established verified facts just because the "yanks" or "uncle tom" or the "white devil" said it.
Every piece of information in this episode has come from "Uncle Sam". Because no one was there but "Uncle Sam" so you have to take their word for it.
More importantly when you are building your conspiracy theory always remember this rule of thumb "Establish the motive first narrative second". As of now there is no motive established by you. All you keep on saying is well the yanks said it and I don't believe it. Well good for you but if you don't have an alternate don't question the story then.
No one walks out leaving witnesses behind. Americans did 17 of them. If Osama died earlier someone had to know. All they have to do is come out and say he died on this date here and here is the place he is buried. Americans would look like idiots and that would be the end of it. So it makes no sense to take that chance.
On the end note I didn't call you a retard I called your story a retard. Just wanted to clarify.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

) at the Al Qaeda acceptance of the death. Anonymous post on the internet doesn't convince me.

This is how this is going to pan out. There will be no retaliation attacks as the Al Qaeda threat is greatly exagerrated. The name Al Qaeda will slowly stop being mentioned in the press and people will slowly forget about it.

They've tried to fool us for years to justify their war on terror. America has been beaten badly and will go home with their tail between their legs. People need to wake up and realise that we've been part of subject to a great deception.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Listen man its nice to recite rhetorical cliches. And I like the fact that you use these terms atleast appropriately. But that does not mean you can go around question established verified facts just because the "yanks" or "uncle tom" or the "white devil" said it.
Every piece of information in this episode has come from "Uncle Sam". Because no one was there but "Uncle Sam" so you have to take their word for it.
More importantly when you are building your conspiracy theory always remember this rule of thumb "Establish the motive first narrative second". As of now there is no motive established by you. All you keep on saying is well the yanks said it and I don't believe it. Well good for you but if you don't have an alternate don't question the story then.
No one walks out leaving witnesses behind. Americans did 17 of them. If Osama died earlier someone had to know. All they have to do is come out and say he died on this date here and here is the place he is buried. Americans would look like idiots and that would be the end of it. So it makes no sense to take that chance.
On the end note I didn't call you a retard I called your story a retard. Just wanted to clarify.

You are welcome to take their word but I would rather not take the word of a nation who has lied about a war which cost the lives of over a million people(Muslims).

If you had read this thread I've already addressed the point about them leaving people behind. It wasn't on purpose, they only did because one of their choppers went down. It's not a problem because they are in the custody of their allies not some indpendent media/organisation.

There is no alternative 'conspiracy' theory as you call it. The official story yet again doesn't add up from a known proven liar state, that's why myself and many others are treating this at BS. You can believe Uncle Sam if you like.

 

[BonoX]

Yes you did. There is no hiding place on a forum.

This is what you wrote:

"If that was the case, Americans would have abducted everyone from the compound to leave no trace of what really happened. but no.. they left his wife, daughter and several children alive so they can relay to the whole world on what really happened."

Okay u need to take English 101 or do a reading comprehension course . my point wasnt to say americans left them behind intentionally so they can relay what happened rather as a result of them being left behind they would relay what happened. i am sure even this will be too much for u to comprehend.
anyways the fact that u r nitpicking now clearly means u have no counter argument other than wild conspiracy theory like the woman will claim to be elvis's wife suddenly. good going!

 

[rhussain33]

Osama is definitley dead, Alqaidah have confirmed it, and said they will release a message o his that is a week or so old which means he was alive till this point, Americans got him in Abottabad, no doubt about it.

 

[jzdanish]

GUYS WATCH THIS CAPITAL TALK EPISODE ITS REALLY AMAZING AND INTERESTING; A DEEP INSIGHT INTO USAMA BIN LADEN. ANYWAYS THE THIRD PART IS MOST INTERESTING; SPECIFICALLY THE PART from 8.50 onwards;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss7AmiJuBzg

 

[KingKhanWC]

Okay u need to take English 101 or do a reading comprehension course . my point wasnt to say americans left them behind intentionally so they can relay what happened rather as a result of them being left behind they would relay what happened. i am sure even this will be too much for u to comprehend.
anyways the fact that u r nitpicking now clearly means u have no counter argument other than wild conspiracy theory like the woman will claim to be elvis's wife suddenly. good going!

It's obvious you were ignorant and got exposed. I'm bored of you now.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Maybe some of the posters on PP need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your view point, and no amount of insulting or repetition of the same thing is going to convince others to change their mind. There is the same amount of conviction and belief in their mind about their opinions as you have about yours.

For a moment I thought you were talking about the media, no wait . . . .

 

[anand99]

Osama is definitley dead, Alqaidah have confirmed it, and said they will release a message o his that is a week or so old which means he was alive till this point, Americans got him in Abottabad, no doubt about it.

No, according to KingKhan that is Al CIAda, the evil version of Al Qaeda operated by the Americans.

 

[Invictus]

You are welcome to take their word but I would rather not take the word of a nation who has lied about a war which cost the lives of over a million people(Muslims).

If you had read this thread I've already addressed the point about them leaving people behind. It wasn't on purpose, they only did because one of their choppers went down. It's not a problem because they are in the custody of their allies not some indpendent media/organisation.

There is no alternative 'conspiracy' theory as you call it. The official story yet again doesn't add up from a known proven liar state, that's why myself and many others are treating this at BS. You can believe Uncle Sam if you like.

Why were they left alive ? To complicate matter ? No one leaves behind witnesses if they don't want to be caught.
Please name a nation that does not lie. Nations lieing when in war has been as old as the nations and war itself. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Forget nations corporations, people etc lie. There is\was never a justification for war. Every war is fought because one party or both want to satisfy their lust\greed for more money\power\resources. Reasons are created afterwards to justify it.
Your requirement for independent organization\media wont be satisfied either. Because no such thing exists today.
If you follow the story without bias it actually is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[BonoX]

It's obvious you were ignorant and got exposed. I'm bored of you now.

ofcourse u r bored now because it's obvious u have no more counter- argument. u can peddle bogus conspiracy theories for only so long.

 

[cric_craze]

This is just another big cover up. I think this whole 40 minute operation was staged. Changing the story two times and why would the White House release the story part by part. They watched the whole thing just release it all at once. Also how all the villagers deny that Osama couldn't have lived there. Howd they get Osama in their without anyone seeing him.

 

[anand99]

This is just another big cover up. I think this whole 40 minute operation was staged. Changing the story two times and why would the White House release the story part by part. They watched the whole thing just release it all at once. Also how all the villagers deny that Osama couldn't have lived there. Howd they get Osama in their without anyone seeing him.

They put him in a gorilla suit.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why were they left alive ? To complicate matter ? No one leaves behind witnesses if they don't want to be caught.

Well the Americans claim they couldn't take them with them because a chopper was down.

Please name a nation that does not lie. Nations lieing when in war has been as old as the nations and war itself. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Forget nations corporations, people etc lie. There is\was never a justification for war. Every war is fought because one party or both want to satisfy their lust\greed for more money\power\resources. Reasons are created afterwards to justify it.

Yes honesty is a victim of war but they lied before they went into war to gain International support for the invasion. There were no WMD's and over a million people died. Heck babies are being born long after the war with deformaties. Which other nation has done anything similar in recent history?

Your requirement for independent organization\media wont be satisfied either. Because no such thing exists today.
If you follow the story without bias it actually is the only thing that makes sense.

There are plenty of organisations who are trusted and could have variefied this.

The story doesn't add up if you have been following this thread.

You believe Uncle Sam if you like.

 

[anand99]

Well the Americans claim they couldn't take them with them because a chopper was down.

But, we should not believe anything those evil americans say. That wreckage was from an alien landing. It doesn't look anything like a chopper.

 

[BonoX]

They put him in a gorilla suit.

Or maybe he was teleported! I mean how on earth can an inept organization like Al-Qaeda get him in the house in broad daylight! oh wait.. maybe he moved during the night!

 

[Cracket]

He's dead guys. All is fair in love and war right? So they lied about the wmds but they got their most wanted and oil. They are serving their people.

 

[Invictus]

Well the Americans claim they couldn't take them with them because a chopper was down.

I know why they were left behind. I am asking you why they were not killed when as per you this is a massive cover up?
Because 17 witnesses would definitely not collaborate the CIA if this was a sham operation. Its down right incompetent to leave them behind when CIA is going to propagate this massive lie. And why in the name of all that's holly could they not just go to a place with no witnesses ?

Yes honesty is a victim of war but they lied before they went into war to gain International support for the invasion. There were no WMD's and over a million people died. Heck babies are being born long after the war with deformaties. Which other nation has done anything similar in recent history?

Oh bahi that was Iraq this is not Iraq. What US did was atrocious. But you name me a country and I'll show how they lied and killed people. This is what powerful nations do. They don't get to where they are by being just and peaceful.

There are plenty of organisations who are trusted and could have variefied this.

Its what you think. World media is confined to very limited, not more then 10, corporations. There is no free media. This was a commando operation conducted in foreign land nobody would have verified anything.

The story doesn't add up if you have been following this thread.

You believe Uncle Sam if you like.

That's your take. Story adds up. Stop being biased yourself or at the vary least stop complaining about others doing the same. Your only grievance so far has been well Americans said it so it must be a lie. As per you that's valid enough to dismiss this whole thing as staged. No motive, no alternate theory nothing just because Americans are involved it must be staged.

 

[Garuda]

GUYS WATCH THIS CAPITAL TALK EPISODE ITS REALLY AMAZING AND INTERESTING; A DEEP INSIGHT INTO USAMA BIN LADEN. ANYWAYS THE THIRD PART IS MOST INTERESTING; SPECIFICALLY THE PART from 8.50 onwards;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss7AmiJuBzg

While seeing the link you posted, I found this clip

Honestly, I never liked Mush, but he is talking a lot of sense here.

He is so true that "why are we expecting an ideal world here ? Just think what is good for Pakistan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2DXtfE12_U&feature=related

 

[KingKhanWC]

I know why they were left behind. I am asking you why they were not killed when as per you this is a massive cover up?
Because 17 witnesses would definitely not collaborate the CIA if this was a sham operation. Its down right incompetent to leave them behind when CIA is going to propagate this massive lie. And why in the name of all that's holly could they not just go to a place with no witnesses ?

They weren't killed for two reasons imo. 1. Killing every single person there would have caused more crticism. 2. They knew the Pakistani authorties would take them into custody. Pakistani custody is not like the UK where the suspects are given a fair go. They will say what the Americans want them to say.

Oh bahi that was Iraq this is not Iraq. What US did was atrocious. But you name me a country and I'll show how they lied and killed people. This is what powerful nations do. They don't get to where they are by being just and peaceful.

Sure but after such a massive lie which caused invasion, occupation and deaths they have little reputation left(when it comes to honesty). I can't think of another nation in recent history who fooled the (most) Interanational community in such a way.

Its what you think. World media is confined to very limited, not more then 10, corporations. There is no free media. This was a commando operation conducted in foreign land nobody would have verified anything.

It doesn't have to be media, indpendent forensic scientists could have varified the authenticity of the body. Saddam who was suspected of having doubles like OBL was taken alive for this very reason. America says OBL didn't have a weapon and as pointed out the seals could have used many ways of taking him alive.

That's your take. Story adds up. Stop being biased yourself or at the vary least stop complaining about others doing the same. Your only grievance so far has been well Americans said it so it must be a lie. As per you that's valid enough to dismiss this whole thing as staged. No motive, no alternate theory nothing just because Americans are involved it must be staged.

The story has been changed numerous times since the event, which one adds up?

 

[BonoX]

They weren't killed for two reasons imo. 1. Killing every single person there would have caused more crticism. 2. They knew the Pakistani authorties would take them into custody. Pakistani custody is not like the UK where the suspects are given a fair go. They will say what the Americans want them to say.

You see this is the problem with conspiracy theories .. u can make up theories but then u leave gaping hole in the stories because they are not true ..

1. So according to you, OBL wasn't killed and every single person will keep repeating the lie for the rest of their life and mind you.. some of them will be out of custody very soon. question is exactly why?? why take this enormous risk? if US had taken him alive and put him in gulag somewhere and torture him for more information , would anyone care.. and more importantly if anyone cared would it matter.. after all, the official story is they killed obl when he was unarmed!! They can do anything they wanted to do with him and no one would raise any objection .. this is obl we are talking about.

2. Or maybe according to you, the whole thing was staged. Well if the whole thing was staged why would they do it in such difficult terrain with so many people in the house.. wouldn't it be much easier to stage it in some place closer to the border with NOT so many people in it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

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[Uzzy_Khan]

Osama is definitley dead, Alqaidah have confirmed it, and said they will release a message o his that is a week or so old which means he was alive till this point, Americans got him in Abottabad, no doubt about it.

and u are 12 years old son??

 

[1137moiz]

I said I wouldn't post again on this thread, but Pinger's post was worth replying to.

Mate nobody on this thread (apart from one or two kids) is debating that OBL is dead, though photos would be nice. Personally I believed he died/was killed years ago and was not at all surprised to see them release the information a few days ago, considering the upcoming elections, the Libya war, etc it was as good a time as any to distract the public and boost morale. Having said that it's highly laughable and more than a little saddening to see people in the USA and West congratulating themselves over it after having committed the numeric worth of about two-three dozen 9/11s over the past decade just to catch the guy. Al-Qaeda unfortunately is still operational, one largely superficial leader's death (everybody knows that Ayman Al-Zawahri is the group's most dangerous leader bar none, and even his death wouldn't make much difference until education and homegrown military strength can snuff out Al-Qaeda) makes very little difference, except perhaps giving some solace to those families who believe that OBL was the mastermind behind their problems when clearly it was not a one-man effort.

Oh and it's entirely possible for OBL to die and Al-Qaeda not to publicly mourn him, perform rituals (I think you're confusing them with shamanism or some other system with these obscure "rituals"). The mainstream media tends to give OBL far more importance than he actually had.

 

[Uzzy_Khan]

Osama is definitley dead, Alqaidah have confirmed it, and said they will release a message o his that is a week or so old which means he was alive till this point, Americans got him in Abottabad, no doubt about it.

and are you 12 years old son??

 

[Invictus]

They weren't killed for two reasons imo. 1. Killing every single person there would have caused more crticism. 2. They knew the Pakistani authorties would take them into custody. Pakistani custody is not like the UK where the suspects are given a fair go. They will say what the Americans want them to say.

Ok lets indulge..

For your issue 1:
So they invaded Iraq because of WMD's killed people in the millions then pretty much admitted there were no WMD's. These guys would have issues with criticism ?
How about the fact that maybe just maybe not pick a house with 20 odd people living in it ?

For your issue 2:
Lets assume thats true. Then why in the holly hell create this whole drama. If they have this kind of control over ISI then why have this huge drama man ?

You see what I am saying either way it does not make any sense whatsoever.

Sure but after such a massive lie which caused invasion, occupation and deaths they have little reputation left(when it comes to honesty). I can't think of another nation in recent history who fooled the (most) Interanational community in such a way.

But you are looking through the prism of your life time. History doesn't deal with small time frames. Go back in time and look at any nation that ruled the world and you will see trends.
Look at anyone even our own empires that existed God knows how long ago. You will notice trends, similarities even down right copied events. Its a dirty business running the world man and no one comes out clean.

It doesn't have to be media, indpendent forensic scientists could have varified the authenticity of the body. Saddam who was suspected of having doubles like OBL was taken alive for this very reason. America says OBL didn't have a weapon and as pointed out the seals could have used many ways of taking him alive.

Really so if Americans appointed an "independent" body to test the dead body and say its Osama you would have believed it ? I dont think so man. You would have said the yanks appointed the commission it was fixed. There is no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to you unless you were in the room with the guys and saw it. Even then I sure you will question it because of the yanks.
Saddam was a head of state. Osama isnt a head of state. World does not work that way. You don't enter a country kill a head of state because it creates precedents. They took him to trial yet killed his sons the same way.
They had no other real options really. They couldn't take him back to states and try him because it would have caused a gigantic security issue. It would have caused the same legal issues as they are facing trying to convict the Gitmo detainees. If he died during trial by whatever means there would have been a shitstrom of people saying they killed him in custody. Then there is the question of what to do with the body. Saddam was an Iraqi in Iraq tried by Iraqis. Call it a sham or whatever but thats how it was designed. Osama didnt have that liberty.
If you followed the coverage at no point they said they wanted to arrest him. Infact every news outlet mentioned the fact that the operation was designed to kill him.

The story has been changed numerous times since the event, which one adds up?

No it has not there are difference in details. Thats true for every single event in the history of the world. You are getting quotes from people not involved in the operation. One guys says something then the next guy wants to enjoy his 15 minutes of fame and changes the details a bit. That does not mean it didnt happen. Gun or no gun human shield or not he was shot in the head.

 

[Invictus]

I said I wouldn't post again on this thread, but Pinger's post was worth replying to.

Mate nobody on this thread (apart from one or two kids) is debating that OBL is dead, though photos would be nice. Personally I believed he died/was killed years ago and was not at all surprised to see them release the information a few days ago, considering the upcoming elections, the Libya war, etc it was as good a time as any to distract the public and boost morale. Having said that it's highly laughable and more than a little saddening to see people in the USA and West congratulating themselves over it after having committed the numeric worth of about two-three dozen 9/11s over the past decade just to catch the guy. Al-Qaeda unfortunately is still operational, one largely superficial leader's death (everybody knows that Ayman Al-Zawahri is the group's most dangerous leader bar none, and even his death wouldn't make much difference until education and homegrown military strength can snuff out Al-Qaeda) makes very little difference, except perhaps giving some solace to those families who believe that OBL was the mastermind behind their problems when clearly it was not a one-man effort.

Oh and it's entirely possible for OBL to die and Al-Qaeda not to publicly mourn him, perform rituals (I think you're confusing them with shamanism or some other system with these obscure "rituals"). The mainstream media tends to give OBL far more importance than he actually had.

So they killed him 2 years ago but flew into Abbotabad landed in a house with 20 odd people destroyed a chopper then flew back. In the process made ISI, Pakistan Army and Pakistan government look absolutly ridiculous ?
Not only that they left his wife and kids alive so they can collaborate the story for them. You know because Osama's wife would definitely have a soft spot for the Americans.
On top they made ISI look absolutely clueless yet left these 16-17 people with ISI because usually when you show the whole world someone's incompetence they work double hard to appease you.

As per your election theory can you even name a viable republican candidate who can beat Obama ? Republicans don't have a potential candidate that can beat Obama. Americans history vote for the incumbent unless there is a huge huge mess created by the last candidate. Look at their history going back to the 60's-70's. Even Nixon got re-elected in a land slide with the water gate scandal. The story broke during the campaign. The only exception was Bush Senior and that was mostly because the economy tanked on his watch and by the time he was done Republicans had been in the presidency for 12 years with 8 years of Reagan. Americans are not involved in Libya NATO is currently leading the charge.

Them going after OBL has been a stated goal for the past 10 years doesn't matter who is running Al-Qaeda. Come one bud atleast try to connect the dots in your head.

 

[James]

Even if the photos were released then the same idiots would think it was fakery. You can't account for stupid people.