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Abdullah22 said:
What were the original excuses used by American Government to portray Saddam as the evil man in front of American public?

They were along the lines of Saddam being connected with bin Laden being a partner of AL Qadea terrorists who are behind 9/11 so he is evil America need to hunt him too.

It's 2011 one would guess that securities are high enough that it's impossible for an Arab to hijack a plane with shaving blades.
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Which is true. But will any one completely ignore the threat ? I don't think so.

You can see how the airport securities will be raised to high for next few weeks or a month.
 
Well scripted by Osama, sorry Obama :)

He will now definately be re-elected.
 
Is it right to interpret this as Shahbaz Sharif also being informed ?

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RAWALPINDI: Punjab Chief Minister Mian Shahbaz Sharif held a meeting with Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani here at the Army House on Sunday night, a reliable source told Dawn.

The source said Mr Shahbaz Sharif landed at the Benazir Bhutto International Airport on a special flight at around 9.45pm along with his private secretary. Later, Mr Shahbaz set aside police protocol and left for the meeting without his secretary.

The source said the chief minister and Gen Kayani exchanged views on different issues, including the security situation.

The meeting lasted over one hour. Shortly after the CM’s plane landed at the airport, the Punjab House in Rawalpindi was searched by the Special Branch and police were put on alert.

However, there was no activity at the Punjab House till the filing of this report.

The meeting between Shahbaz Sharif and the army chief was held at a time when President Asif Ali Zardari was in his first session with leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League-Q at the Presidency.
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Garuda said:
Which is true. But will any one completely ignore the threat ? I don't think so.

You can see how the airport securities will be raised to high for next few weeks or a month.
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No one is ignoring the threats but to say it's better to kill Osama instead of capturing him because someone might hijack a plane is '********'.
 
Just saw the videos of American public celebrating and chanting "USA, USA".

Boy, did they hate him or what!

Granted that he was a terrorist, conspirator of one of the worst human massacres of all time and deserved death penalty for the crimes he has committed, but, so many people celebrating someone's death really forces one to think about how civilized the civilized really are.

I'm afraid, we will see something similar when Kasab is hanged in India and feel that this hate-mongering is despicable and ultimately leads to the kind of crime the likes of Osama and Kasab have committed.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Which Afghans? Certainly not the Afghan government or intelligence agencies because they are notoriously pro india.

America will never invade Pakistan. They are having a hard enough time fighting guys with basic weaponry.
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the pashtun afghans will come to help their pakistani counterparts...that is in writing...protective race that sticks togethor through thick and thin
 
Abdullah22 said:
No one is ignoring the threats but to say it's better to kill Osama instead of capturing him because someone might hijack a plane is '********'.
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Kandahar anyone?
 
Does US have access to a Pak military airbase near or in Abbottabad? I know we have given them access to a number of bases in the country. Is one in that locality too?
 
Dr. Schaden Freud said:
Just saw the videos of American public celebrating and chanting "USA, USA".

Boy, did they hate him or what!

Granted that he was a terrorist, conspirator of one of the worst human massacres of all time and deserved death penalty for the crimes he has committed, but, so many people celebrating someone's death really forces one to think about how civilized the civilized really are.

I'm afraid, we will see something similar when Kasab is hanged in India and feel that this hate-mongering is despicable and ultimately leads to the kind of crime the likes of Osama and Kasab have committed.
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Completely disagree. This liberal crap agenda of wondering about the perpetrators as much or more than the victims is the main problem. He was wrong, ppl need to grow a spine and a pair.

If i am in India, the day Kasab finally hangs to death, I will personally be on the streets celebrating too. To me, his crimes go beyond humans and human spirit. And all of this and more applies to bin laden.

The victims need to be remembered not the murderers. Calling a spade a spade is not hate-mongering. You cannot, simply cannot try to be civil to someone who does not know its meaning.
 
Statsman said:
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Kandahar anyone?
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I didn't go further to that discussion as people who don't want to believe won't believe ever.

Forget Kandahar, there has been trial to blast a delta airline not long before.

Now, about why not capture OBL ? The news says the operation took 40 mins. If he was with only 4-5 ppl and still it took 40 mins, what was he doing for 40 mins ? Asking for tea and coffee to serve special force?

If he was not surrendering and was fighting back, he is ought to be fired in the head.

In case of Saddam, he was hiding in a bunker with no defence.
 
Maula Jutt said:
Does US have access to a Pak military airbase near or in Abbottabad? I know we have given them access to a number of bases in the country. Is one in that locality too?
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not sure. The report says the helicopters actually taken off from Af and flew very low to their destination.

But its strange how Pakistani airforce couldn't catch them for so long is not clear.
 
So it took them a whole decade to catch/kill one old man...so much for their 'intelligence' agencies.
 
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Dr. Schaden Freud said:
Just saw the videos of American public celebrating and chanting "USA, USA".

Boy, did they hate him or what!

Granted that he was a terrorist, conspirator of one of the worst human massacres of all time and deserved death penalty for the crimes he has committed, but, so many people celebrating someone's death really forces one to think about how civilized the civilized really are.

I'm afraid, we will see something similar when Kasab is hanged in India and feel that this hate-mongering is despicable and ultimately leads to the kind of crime the likes of Osama and Kasab have committed.
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Its quite understandable IMO and the Indians will have every right to celebrate the death of Kasab.
 
the Great Khan said:
Just got confirmation from pakdef that the ISI were definatley onsite..full details of the op will be revealed probably in a couple if months down the line..most of the garbage from the uk based Indian analysts is mere speculation bordering on propaganda..I'm especially referring to the Asia Pacific think tank who's sole aim is to spread lies and disinformation to malign Pakistan..
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Two questions

1) Why did they need US troops in the first place? If ISI located and eanted to get him caught, they and Pak army could have captured him without involving US troops at all and then hand it over to the US. That would have painted Pakistan in a much positive light in front of world media

2) Why is Pak goverment denying any Pak involvement in the case.

Seems to me that now tht he is caught, everyone wants a piece of undeserved credit
 
QuarterBack said:
Completely disagree. This liberal crap agenda of wondering about the perpetrators as much or more than the victims is the main problem. He was wrong, ppl need to grow a spine and a pair.

If i am in India, the day Kasab finally hangs to death, I will personally be on the streets celebrating too. To me, his crimes go beyond humans and human spirit. And all of this and more applies to bin laden.

The victims need to be remembered not the murderers. Calling a spade a spade is not hate-mongering. You cannot, simply cannot try to be civil to someone who does not know its meaning.
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Absolutely.

The victims need to be remembered.

But, who are you giving importance to when you go on streets and celebrate? The murderer.

If there is a special mourning or remembrance for the victims, it would be a more fitting reaction to such incidents.
 
Garuda said:
not sure. The report says the helicopters actually taken off from Af and flew very low to their destination.

But its strange how Pakistani airforce couldn't catch them for so long is not clear.
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I actually read someplace a while ago that the helicopters took off from a Pakistani base and not Afghanistani.

But regardless, the reason I asked was because if USA had access to a base nearby, or had any presence in the area at all (which is very much expected as the place isn't too far from Islamabad and CIA and other undercover USA presence is crawling all over Islamabad and nearby), then how can Osama's presence go undetected for so long? The guy wasn't living in some remote village in interior Sindh or Punjab. He was living in a city with a heavy army presence, with USA sharing many of their facilities.
 
Indiafan said:
Two questions

1) Why did they need US troops in the first place? If ISI located and eanted to get him caught, they and Pak army could have captured him without involving US troops at all and then hand it over to the US. That would have painted Pakistan in a much positive light in front of world media

2) Why is Pak goverment denying any Pak involvement in the case.

Seems to me that now tht he is caught, everyone wants a piece of undeserved credit
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The answer to both 1 and 2 - Backlash.

And by the way, if Pakistan wanted 'undeserved credit' they would have owned up to it instead of denying any involvement, don't you think?
 
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Indiafan said:
Two questions

1) Why did they need US troops in the first place? If ISI located and eanted to get him caught, they and Pak army could have captured him without involving US troops at all and then hand it over to the US. That would have painted Pakistan in a much positive light in front of world media
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Because that would make too much sense for conspiracy theorists.
 
Indiafan said:
Two questions

1) Why did they need US troops in the first place? If ISI located and eanted to get him caught, they and Pak army could have captured him without involving US troops at all and then hand it over to the US. That would have painted Pakistan in a much positive light in front of world media

2) Why is Pak goverment denying any Pak involvement in the case.

Seems to me that now tht he is caught, everyone wants a piece of undeserved credit
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1.Because Pakistan would've been seen by militants inside Pakistan and even Afghanistan that we are 'traitors' and that would have been a sign of staunch American loyalty.

2.I don't know where they have denied it,Wajid Shamsul Hasan has said that it is highly unlikely that Pakistan were not involved.
 
Abdullah22 said:
That was in 1999 the Indian flight was hijacked in Nepal.
Irrelevant.
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...to free 35 militants of Harkat-ul-Mujahideen from Indian jails

3 Militants were released in the end. One planned the attack on the Indian parliament, another killed Daniel Pearl. And the third has been training terrorists since then.

please pull out your head from the sand dude...:butt
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
I'm afraid this excuse doesn't make sense.

There is already a backlash and has been for several years.
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If the death of Osama Bin laden is the same to you as previous events and mistrust between government and people, then I can't say much to you.

Also, earlier, it was a military government. This is a civilian government that depends on votes. Not to forget, it came into power by ridiculing Musharraf for dancing to USA's tune. How can they accept allowing USA to kill a number of people inside their borders and openly claim credit for it? It's much easier to deny any knowldge like they've been doing regarding the drone attacks.
 
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Dr. Schaden Freud said:
Absolutely.

The victims need to be remembered.

But, who are you giving importance to when you go on streets and celebrate? The murderer.

If there is a special mourning or remembrance for the victims, it would be a more fitting reaction to such incidents.
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That already took place SF. The reaction you saw yesterday was a honest outburst from deeply scarred people. bladen was given importance, but why shouldnt he? He was easily the most hated man in the US and with good reason. After all his heinous crimes, to question the people who celebrated his death is silly. These were the same people who lost a bit of their lives in 9/11. To them, this closes that chapter in their lives.
 
QuarterBack said:
That already took place SF. The reaction you saw yesterday was a honest outburst from deeply scarred people. bladen was given importance, but why shouldnt he? He was easily the most hated man in the US and with good reason. After all his heinous crimes, to question the people who celebrated his death is silly. These were the same people who lost a bit of their lives in 9/11. To them, this closes that chapter in their lives.
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& what makes you so sure that Bin laden was behind 9/11?
 
pakistandiehardfan said:
& what makes you so sure that Bin laden was behind 9/11?
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Between the US government and Al-Cowarda's words, Ill take the former.
Evidence has been well documented since. I dont expect you to know much about an event that happened when you were 6 yrs old tho.
 
Someone on the BBC is suggesting that Bin Laden may have been betrayed by someone within his camp.
 
QuarterBack said:
Between the US government and Al-Cowarda's words, Ill take the former.
Evidence has been well documented since. I dont expect you to know much about an event that happened when you were 6 yrs old tho.
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There's also been evidence that suggests that a plane crash could not have brought down the twin towers? What do you say to that?.. America created Taliban, they created Bin Laden, right?
 
Dr. Schaden Freud said:
Just saw the videos of American public celebrating and chanting "USA, USA".

Boy, did they hate him or what!

Granted that he was a terrorist, conspirator of one of the worst human massacres of all time and deserved death penalty for the crimes he has committed, but, so many people celebrating someone's death really forces one to think about how civilized the civilized really are.

I'm afraid, we will see something similar when Kasab is hanged in India and feel that this hate-mongering is despicable and ultimately leads to the kind of crime the likes of Osama and Kasab have committed.
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The OTT celebration was more symbolic of having gotten the mastermind of 9/11.. most american's know that OBL was probably beyond the point of relevance now, but the symbolic impact of killing him was huge..
 
pakistandiehardfan said:
There's also been evidence that suggests that a plane crash could not have brought down the twin towers? What do you say to that?..
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To the nut tin foil hat theories?! Visit popularmechanics's website for each of them being busted.

America created Taliban, they created Bin Laden, right?
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Yes, does that mean he is pure?!

PS: Lets not turn this thread into a 9/11 conspiracy thread.
 
So the greatest Manhunt ever has finally ended after 10 long years. Not too sure whether Osama was well enough to be in charge of Al-Qaeda's day to day operational activities, he was mostly a spiritual/figurehead during the last couple of years. I last read he was on his death bad and was dying due to kidney failure.

Now what excuse do the Americans have for wanting to stay in Afghanistan and Pakistan any longer? But definitely an important, symbolic moment for the Americans in their war on terror.
 
Maula Jutt said:
If the death of Osama Bin laden is the same to you as previous events and mistrust between government and people, then I can't say much to you.

Also, earlier, it was a military government. This is a civilian government that depends on votes. Not to forget, it came into power by ridiculing Musharraf for dancing to USA's tune. How can they accept allowing USA to kill a number of people inside their borders and openly claim credit for it? It's much easier to deny any knowldge like they've been doing regarding the drone attacks.
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Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda have been urging terrorist attacks against the Pak govt and the Pak military for years - for their alliance with the US (including drone strikes). It is nothing new. They were already enemies of civilian Pakistani leaders, such as Benazir.

You're acting as if we have not already had thousands of civilians killed in terrorist attacks and many many other civilian govt officials.

There is also not a high level of support among ordinary Pakistani people for Osama bin Laden or Al Qaeda. That changed years ago.

American officials have categorically stated that information about the operation against bin Laden was not shared with any country, including Pakistan.

The fact that bin Laden was in what appears to be a conspicuous compound surrounded by retired military personnel and an army academy only around 100 km from Islamabad doesn't put any suspicion in your mind?
 
http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/05/02/bin-ladens-death-what-this-means-for-pakistans-isi/


That bin Laden had been living in a specially constructed compound less than an hours' drive from Pakistani military HQ, and in the same town as the country's premier military academy, makes the near constant denials by Pakistan's intelligence agencies that the terror group leader was in the country difficult to swallow.

Sure, there are at times a Keystone-cops element to the operational methods of the agencies—those assigned to trail foreign journalists in the country are less than subtle in their surveillance methods: One once asked me my address, as he was sitting in my house, another decided that quizzing my driver about my activities was far less work than actually following me to interviews—but bumbling or not, they are ubiquitous.

The crackle and click of telephone lines is the constant reminder that no conversation over the phone is private, the crew-cut men in beige that materialize whenever I start asking questions proof that one is never quite alone in Pakistan. So the idea that absolutely no one but American intelligence knew who was living in that multi-million dollar compound beggars belief.

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I've one question. Try answering with your knowledge and intellect. After 10 years of tracking, US was able to finish off OBL. Why was the urgent need to throw him to the sea and not show him in the camera once? (previous examples of Saddam, Saddam's son etc are in front of us when US did show their footages, so why not in this case when he's the most wanted man?)
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
I've one question. Try answering with your knowledge and intellect. After 10 years of tracking, US was able to finish off OBL. Why was the urgent need to throw him to the sea and not show him in the camera once? (previous examples of Saddam, Saddam's son etc are in front of us when US did show their footages, so why not in this case when he's the most wanted man?)
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You are asking this, but the rest of world is ignorant and will believe everything without looking into it much.
 
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
 
1556: The Obama officials, who have not been named, add that "DNA evidence has proven that Bin Laden is dead, with 99.9% confidence", according to AP. The officials did not immediately say where or how the testing was done.

1553: DNA testing confirms the killing of Bin Laden, President Obama's officials are quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency.
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
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Apparently the helicopter crashed due to either technical failure or shooting but suffered no casualties.Details still kinda sketchy.
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
I've one question. Try answering with your knowledge and intellect. After 10 years of tracking, US was able to finish off OBL. Why was the urgent need to throw him to the sea and not show him in the camera once? (previous examples of Saddam, Saddam's son etc are in front of us when US did show their footages, so why not in this case when he's the most wanted man?)
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This. I have my doubts.
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
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Un manned aircraft? Air crash unrelated to the actual incident maybe?!
 
cricket_fever said:
what i dont understand is why they threw his body into the ocean and didnt keep it for proof......
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Lol apparently because Islam requires that Muslims be buried in 24 hours...this appears to be the actual explanation...shame they forgot about the burial bit...

Proving he is dead or if there is a DNA match means very little tbh...I have no doubt hes dead but would like to know a time of death...
 
Markhor said:
Apparently the helicopter crashed due to either technical failure or shooting but suffered no casualties.Details still kinda sketchy.
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It didn't crash, it suffered a technical failure before the operation even commenced.
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
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Moreover, his wordings were "we made sure there were no civilian casualties" but in reality, 3 men and 1 women were killed. Who is going to question him for that? no one.
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
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Try actually reading about it in the numerous articles online instead of making silly assumptions that it was a lie regarding no loss of Amerian lives in the op.
 
kkmix said:
Moreover, his wordings were "we made sure there were no civilian casualties" but in reality, 3 men and 1 women were killed. Who is going to question him for that? no one.
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That's not what he said. He said care was taken to avoid civilian casualties.

When you put words in quotes, make sure you actually are using the exact words. You are not.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
That's not what he said. He said care was taken to avoid civilian casualties.

When you put words in quotes, make sure you actually are using the exact words. You are not.
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yeah we fully believe that :yk

but the point was that there was no mention of death of 3 others and women, and no one will question him for that.
 
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Lol apparently because Islam requires that Muslims be buried in 24 hours...this appears to be the actual explanation...shame they forgot about the burial bit...
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Yes, it's best to bury the body as soon as possible, however, many times it's buried a few days later. It has to be buried in the proper Islamic manner.
 
fireworks11 said:
Who tipped them off?
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Apparently a guy from gito gave a name of osamas courier. That was in 2006. They tracked him in 2010 august and had him under surveillance. They then realised that osama was hiding in that house and from then on they had osama under surveillance.
 
WithLoveFromCanada said:
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
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Ahem!!! Since when did US Helicopter became a US citizen.... 1 vote per helicopter people!! :P
 
kkmix said:
Moreover, his wordings were "we made sure there were no civilian casualties" but in reality, 3 men and 1 women were killed. Who is going to question him for that? no one.
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Terrorist with guns are soilders in battle and not considered as civilians!!! Is that such a hard thing to understand?
 
riasat said:
Terrorist with guns are soilders in battle and not considered as civilians!!! Is that such a hard thing to understand?
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sometimes you have to not listen to everything you hear...until we know all the details let's not get carried away with who were combats and who were civilians.
 
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Sorry I don't buy that last part.
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So you buy the 3 combatants but not the woman used as a shield? Why did you just call the combatants 3 civilians then?

Do you think it was just Osama and his cook, gardener, and jamadaar?

You also never retracted your false quote from Obama.

And as far as not buying things, you've already made up your mind.
 
I wonder when the US troops will land in Islamabad. They have been allowed this far in inside Pakistan
 
Guys "buried in sea" is just media speculation. US official denied it, DNA tests are being carried out at the moment.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
So you buy the 3 combatants but not the woman used as a shield? Why did you just call the combatants 3 civilians then?

Do you think it was just Osama and his cook, gardener, and jamadaar?

You also never retracted your false quote from Obama.

And as far as not buying things, you've already made up your mind.
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I don't buy any of it...I don't buy the fact that Osama only had 3 men to look after him, and a women who he planned to use as a shield :facepalm:...I am sorry but he is bigger than that (according to some). As for the quote I take it back, but it doesn't change the fact that he never mentioned the death of a women, because that's a civilian casualty.
 
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If attack had taken place, then I'm sure, the video of the attack would have been captured and it would be preserved and may be shown sometime in future. But, in today's world of conspiracy theories, people will say the video is "doctored", even if it was shown.

In my view, the bottom line for Pakistan's development is to eliminate any remaining elements of Al-qeada and also the fundamental elements and ask USA to vacate it's land ASAP. Also, find out the culprits in its intelligence/security agencies who supported Laden and weed them out . Not sure, who but someone with great leadership qualities should come in power in Pakistan, who can guide its nation to peace and prosperity.

I'm sure, Pakistanis are proficient in English and also at computers. I was able to find many at this site, who are proficient at these. Is your country getting due employment opportunites in these fields, which it deserves? If not, then we need soul searching on why foreign investments which have the potential to come in many fields, but why they are not coming through.

Rampant corruption in all facets of life has become birthright for majority of politicians of S.E.Asia, and they provide feeble opportunities for talented people. So, it is no surprise for brain drain occuring and the great talent migrating to west. Also, it is no wonder, these outstanding scientific minds have done great research and won coveted international scientific awards after they migrated to west.

May be, if we follow some of the below guidelines for ensuring stability and prosperity of S.E.Asian nations:

1. Separate out religion/sect/regional bias from state politics. The religion/sect/regional should be for individual consumption but not for state.
2. Ensure free and fair elections.
3. Enforce exemplary Judiciary system.
4. Establish rules for punishing corrupt officials.
4. Establish the pre-eminence of democratic institutions.
5. Cut the clips of military with regards to administering and overriding civilian governments.
6. Modernise Educational system with emphasis on IT and English.
7. Stop intruding in affairs of other sovereign nations and waste precious money and man-power which would harm us in long run.

I'm sure, many of us know the above but just wanted to reiterate those.

Feel pained on why we have underachieved with regards to the progress of our society as a whole. If talent was not there, then you could not blame, but there is plenty of talent in our people but our systems have become corrupt and honest people have become helpless.

Going through, some of the recent world history after WWII, I feel astounded on how Japan and Germany could rise as world economic powers from ruins. It was not the magic wand but great leadership and people's participation which made them rise to the top. There is something wrong, we S.E.Asian nations are doing, even after so many years, we are still in continuous turmoil with overhang of wars, unemployment, mal-nutrition and rampant corruption.

Only way through is to educate our youth and allow them to free their minds from extremism. Hope, someday, whole world will reconginse the region as where first rate countries reside instead of "third-world" countries.
 
BBC Article: Did Pakistan know where Bin Laden was?

The death of al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden near Islamabad has important implications for relations between Pakistan and the US.

Pakistan has been the epicentre of the battle against al-Qaeda in its global jihad.

It is the West's most important ally in this struggle and, so far as the CIA is concerned, it has also proved to be the most difficult ally.

The Pakistanis have consistently denied ever having any links to al-Qaeda or their former hosts in Afghanistan, the Taliban, whose leadership has had sanctuary in Pakistan since 2002.

And yet the discovery that Osama Bin Laden had been living in a large, custom-built compound close to Pakistan's military academy once again raises an obvious question.

What did the intelligence arm of the Pakistan military - the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) - know and when did it know it?

The compound is reported to have had high walls, barbed wire and security cameras. Who built it? Did none of the local authorities, including the police and the military academy, never have their suspicions?

Following 9/11, Pakistan did arrest Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, alleged to have been the "principal architect" of the attack.

The US believes that although al-Qaeda has been largely driven from Afghanistan, the job of hardening Afghanistan against a return of al-Qaeda has yet to be completed”

But since 2005, the US authorities have become increasingly persuaded that the ISI has taken an "a la carte" approach to Islamist terrorist groups - picking and choosing which group to support.

The choice has depended on how the ISI has seen each group serve its national interest.

Crudely, this boils down to whether they act as a hedge against the growing regional influence of Pakistan's long term foe - India.

If the US assessment is that there were elements within the ISI who did know where Osama Bin Laden was hiding and, moreover, did nothing about it, US relations with Pakistan - already severely strained - will reach crisis point.

Billions in aid is sent every year to Pakistan by the US, UK and other Western countries.

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The fact that Osama Bin Laden has apparently been living for years under the nose of the Pakistan military also revives the question that has increasingly dogged the US-led coalition in Afghanistan: Why are we still fighting in Afghanistan when it is Pakistan from where the Taliban insurgency is being directed?

The extent to which Pakistan has approved specific US requests for assistance against al-Qaeda and other extremists is one of the key tests President Barack Obama set in assessing this July whether he can safely start to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.

Pakistan has allowed the US secret bases in Pakistan and to launch drone attacks against specific targets. These have more than tripled under President Obama.

However, the US believes that although al-Qaeda has been largely driven from Afghanistan, the job of hardening Afghanistan against a return of al-Qaeda has yet to be completed.

The Taliban regards the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai as a "puppet" of the West and have demanded all Western forces leave.

There are now two main al-Qaeda offshoots which have found sanctuary in the tribal lands of Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

The Haqqani network is responsible for many attacks against soldiers in Afghanistan and suicide bombings there, and Lashkar-e-Taiba carried out the multiple attacks in Mumbai, India, in 2008.

The US believes that as long as the Afghan Taliban leadership and the Haqqani network have sanctuaries in Pakistan, the insurgency inside Afghanistan is likely to continue.

There is also the Pakistan Taliban - against which the Pakistan authorities have moved because it has attacked Pakistani targets in pursuit of its goal of an Islamist government - and the Afghan Taliban, against which the Pakistan authorities have barely moved, and whose fighters the CIA believe the ISI have helped train.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13259820
 
To answer some basic q's..the yanks were based at tarbela ghazi with ssg..the op was launched from there..ssg and isi also involved..there is no way in he'll this op went down without isi pa knowledge..tarbela ghazi is a Pakistani base not a yank station..

Why not take credit? Obama had already given credit in his speech..

Check CNN who reported that the isi and CIA collaborated..

Pakistan doesn't normally disclose ssg isi ops..

They are worried about the baclash from ths hardliners..like I said let the initial hooha blow over..

it is right for the US to take credit for this politics etc and I'm assuming the pak authorities will get something for it..

Finally this was the ideal hiding place..there are plenty of houses like this in ths area..plus obl had a total comm blackout to avoid yanks..makes perfect sense..who will believe bin laden was living next door??
 
To answer some basic q's..the yanks were based at tarbela ghazi with ssg..the op was launched from there..ssg and isi also involved..there is no way in he'll this op went down without isi pa knowledge..tarbela ghazi is a Pakistani base not a yank station..

Why not take credit? Obama had already given credit in his speech..

Check CNN who reported that the isi and CIA collaborated..

Pakistan doesn't normally disclose ssg isi ops..

They are worried about the baclash from ths hardliners..like I said let the initial hooha blow over..

it is right for the US to take credit for this politics etc and I'm assuming the pak authorities will get something for it..

Finally this was the ideal hiding place..there are plenty of houses like this in ths area..plus obl had a total comm blackout to avoid yanks..makes perfect sense..who will believe bin laden was living next door??
 
Markhor said:
Which sea is this where OBL was buried or thrown into ?
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Yeah, I've been wondering about this too. You'd think it was the Arabian Sea considering it borders Pakistan but from Abbotabad, I would imagine the Caspian Sea would also be within reach.
 
the Great Khan said:
To answer some basic q's..the yanks were based at tarbela ghazi with ssg..the op was launched from there..ssg and isi also involved..there is no way in he'll this op went down without isi pa knowledge..tarbela ghazi is a Pakistani base not a yank station..

Why not take credit? Obama had already given credit in his speech..

Check CNN who reported that the isi and CIA collaborated..

Pakistan doesn't normally disclose ssg isi ops..

They are worried about the baclash from ths hardliners..like I said let the initial hooha blow over..

it is right for the US to take credit for this politics etc and I'm assuming the pak authorities will get something for it..

Finally this was the ideal hiding place..there are plenty of houses like this in ths area..plus obl had a total comm blackout to avoid yanks..makes perfect sense..who will believe bin laden was living next door??
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How do you explain that Osama bin Laden was apparently living there right under the noses of Pak's military only 100k from islamabad for so long without their knowledge? Is the ISI incompetent?
 
In the case of Osama’s death, initial indications are that Pakistani military and intelligence officials may have provided some routine coöperation with the Americans but were not given the identity of the target. This makes sense: In recent months, American officials have stopped informing Pakistani officials ahead of time about the C.I.A.’s drone strikes against militants in the tribal areas, out of fear that they might be tipped off.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...knew-about-osama-bin-laden.html#ixzz1LDAyuKUA
 
1658: Hundreds of people have taken to the streets of Pakistan's south-western city of Quetta to pay homage to Bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, the AFP news agency is quoting witnesses and organisers as saying.
 
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