Outrage after Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan links rape to how women dress

[uberkoen]

And the rest by a man they did not know. So at least this will reduce the second type of assault.

Based on what research? As has been said several times there is no research backing up the notion that dressing modestly will lead to less rapes as children, covered women, women in hijab and niqab as well as women performing hajj and Umrah have been sexually assaulted.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Based on what research? As has been said several times there is no research backing up the notion that dressing modestly will lead to less rapes as children, covered women, women in hijab and niqab as well as women performing hajj and Umrah have been sexually assaulted.

Maybe you do every action after some research is done by harvard and MIT. But rest of the world uses their common sense. It is fine if you disagree. The world is not here to please you.

 

[MenInG]

Imran, in spite of being the PM, is the last person in Pakistan who has the credibility to build the character of the country in terms of talking about decency, family values, Islam etc.

He himself knows nothing about these virtues.

Instead of trying to give sermons that no one is taking seriously, Imran should simply be honest and state that the youth of Pakistan should look at the lifestyle of a young Imran Khan and do the complete opposite.

Then again, Imran’s has not covered himself in glory in his old age either, with the way he married two women with grown up children. It is not against Islam but it is not deemed appropriate in Pakistani culture, and no decent, respectful Pakistani man will do something like this.

Either way, Imran will not be taken seriously over this stuff. He is fighting a lost battle here. Every time he opens his mouth about these issues, it backfires.

His recent apology for rapists is just the latest goof-up in an ever growing list, so if he had any intelligence and common sense left, he would give up this nonsense and simply focus on governance issues.

The people of Pakistan did not vote for him to sit in the PM office and give lectures on morality, family values, Islam, and cheerlead for some fictional Turkish drama.

And this is based upon his life as a young man? How many years ago was it? Is there a remote possibility that he has reformed himself? Has it ever happened before?

 

[Slog]

And this is based upon his life as a young man? How many years ago was it? Is there a remote possibility that he has reformed himself? Has it ever happened before?

It’s a fair ask. Why does this reformation only happen later in life when you are at old age and well past your peak.

 

[emranabbas]

Maybe you do every action after some research is done by harvard and MIT. But rest of the world uses their common sense. It is fine if you disagree. The world is not here to please you.

Mate can you give us some examples where a women, child, a young boy was raped when they were not dressed modestly so we know exactly what your getting at.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Mate can you give us some examples where a women, child, a young boy was raped when they were not dressed modestly so we know exactly what your getting at.

Sorry but this is a question based on wrong understanding. The assaulters come from a spectrum. Some will assault no matter what, some only when they know the victim will remain quiet, some when seeing immodest dress, some when part of a group and would never do it when alone. So dressing modestly will solve a *part* of the problem, not the whole problem. Why can't people get this simple thing?

 

[MenInG]

It’s a fair ask. Why does this reformation only happen later in life when you are at old age and well past your peak.

Its called maturity.

 

[RajBan]

Sorry but this is a question based on wrong understanding. The assaulters come from a spectrum. Some will assault no matter what, some only when they know the victim will remain quiet, some when seeing immodest dress, some when part of a group and would never do it when alone. So dressing modestly will solve a *part* of the problem, not the whole problem. Why can't people get this simple thing?

Which dress is modest in your definition that will ensure atleast that reason is eliminated?

 

[Robert]

And the rest by a man they did not know. So at least this will reduce the second type of assault.

So women have to be oppressed because some men are violent?

You might get beaten up if you go out. There are violent men out there. You had better stay inside to reduce that type of assault.

 

[saeedhk]

Imran Khan goes global again for the wrong reason...

 

[Haripotter]

Pakistan lacks real leaders. Now he makes such insensitive statements, later he will say cricket establishment will further improve if voted again to power and these same people who criticize him will vote him back to power.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So women have to be oppressed because some men are violent?

You might get beaten up if you go out. There are violent men out there. You had better stay inside to reduce that type of assault.

Life is an optimization problem. You look for local minima for every problem. ( If you didn't study maths or engineering or mba, you won't get it). It is a cruel world out there, so everytime I step out I take care for my safety. Don't plash my wallet, don't wear gold chains, and don't walk in dark alleys.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Which dress is modest in your definition that will ensure atleast that reason is eliminated?

Any dress is modest if it covers most of your skin and is not body hugging. Not just skin, the contours of the body should also not be seen clearly.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This deserves a big F U Imran. You really do know better than this, but clearly you are not better than this…shame on you. <a href="https://t.co/2dUS8cgbSq">https://t.co/2dUS8cgbSq</a></p>— Martina Navratilova (@Martina) <a href="https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1380210580053721093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Robert]

Maybe you do every action after some research is done by harvard and MIT. But rest of the world uses their common sense. It is fine if you disagree. The world is not here to please you.

What you call common sense is actually your prejudice against women. Rapists rape given the chance. A woman’s dress has nothing to do with their decision to rape. Stop blaming the victim!

 

[Robert]

Life is an optimization problem. You look for local minima for every problem. ( If you didn't study maths or engineering or mba, you won't get it). It is a cruel world out there, so everytime I step out I take care for my safety. Don't plash my wallet, don't wear gold chains, and don't walk in dark alleys.

I’m a health and safety professional so my whole career is based on applying controls to risk.

I don’t do those things either. But if I did, and got robbed, it would be the robber’s fault and not mine.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What you call common sense is actually your prejudice against women. Rapists rape given the chance. A woman’s dress has nothing to do with their decision to rape. Stop blaming the victim!

It is actually your comprehension, or maybe I am not able to explain myself (as english is not my mother tongue).I am not at all blaming the victim. I believe that prevention is better than cure. And while the world will never be perfect, I should not wait till it becomes one. I should take precautions myself. It will not prevent every bad thing, but it can surely minimize it. (Sorry for lacking articulation in english).

 

[the Great Khan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This deserves a big F U Imran. You really do know better than this, but clearly you are not better than this…shame on you. <a href="https://t.co/2dUS8cgbSq">https://t.co/2dUS8cgbSq</a></p>— Martina Navratilova (@Martina) <a href="https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1380210580053721093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dangerous misquoting. He is getting pilloried by people who have not actually heard what he said and the mistranslations smack of an organised attempt by international opponents to tarnish him. Its not a surprise.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I’m a health and safety professional so my whole career is based on applying controls to risk.

I don’t do those things either. But if I did, and got robbed, it would be the robber’s fault and not mine.

Of course. it is not your fault that the world is not safe. There is no victim blaming here at all. Just saying that one must exercise every bit of caution to keep ourselves safe. Dressing modestly is just one of the ways. It won't prevent crimes, but it can help minimize it. So many fathers have been giving the same advice to their daughters. Many western ladies who comes to visit our country dress up modestly.

When you go to a jungle and an animal is out to attack you, you don't tell him that the country's laws protect you and that you have the human right to walk anywhere in the jungle, and that it is the animals fault and not your fault. These discussions matter only when you are safe.

 

[the Great Khan]

The funny thing is the news cycle has already moved on and IK will not be phased by any of this nonsense.

What did he actually say? You can watch the whole session on Youtube and what he said resonates amongst Pakistanis.

He was talking about society in general. Especially pakistani society. He was talking of bringing in voert sexualisation into vulnerable societies where law and order is poor and where conservative religious values are prominent. But westerners will not understand this point as they dont have a similar frame of reference.
So the Indian **** media pick it up and lo and behold the Anti pakistan media in the US and the west pick it up. They will never report anything positive about pakistan ever.

 

[Mamoon]

Dangerous misquoting. He is getting pilloried by people who have not actually heard what he said and the mistranslations smack of an organised attempt by international opponents to tarnish him. Its not a surprise.

There is no misquotation. He literally said the exact words:

“Not every man has willpower. If you keep on increasing vulgarity, it will have consequences”

A pathetic statement, especially coming from the PM of the country. We know he had no will-power in his youth (probably still doesn’t) and was a renowned playboy and womanizer.

However, when it comes to rape cases, you cannot shift the blame to the victim with such nonsense. He is a rapist apologist.

In Pakistan, the vast majority of women dress decently and a lot of children including boys are molested as well.

Imran is rightfully getting bashed from all quarters. He really need to stop being preachy and speaking about issues that he doesn’t understand.

Being the PM doesn’t give you the license to run your mouth. When you do so it will backfire, and this is not the first and will not be the last time his words have come back to haunt him.

He needs to focus on governance which he has made a complete hash of over the last 3 years with his clueless and inept public administration. His lack of experience bad incompetence have been badly exposed.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The funny thing is the news cycle has already moved on and IK will not be phased by any of this nonsense.

What did he actually say? You can watch the whole session on Youtube and what he said resonates amongst Pakistanis.

He was talking about society in general. Especially pakistani society. He was talking of bringing in voert sexualisation into vulnerable societies where law and order is poor and where conservative religious values are prominent. But westerners will not understand this point as they dont have a similar frame of reference.
So the Indian **** media pick it up and lo and behold the Anti pakistan media in the US and the west pick it up. They will never report anything positive about pakistan ever.

No one has time or attention to read the full text or to understand the context. All they see is one headline and start frothing at their mouths. buzzfeed generation who understand everything from one headline and find the next thing to outrage about.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no connection between rape and vulgarity. In a society where children and women clad in burkas are getting molested, you have to be complete bonkers to blame vulgarity.

Imran apologists are confusing vulgarity with personal safety and taking necessary safety measures. There is a clear distinction between the two.

If you are blaming vulgarity, you are providing justification for rape. You are shifting the blame to the victims for testing the self-control of rapists, and it is completely disgusting.

 

[RajBan]

Any dress is modest if it covers most of your skin and is not body hugging. Not just skin, the contours of the body should also not be seen clearly.

But it did not stop rape of women in ME where women dress as conservatively as possible.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imran, in spite of being the PM, is the last person in Pakistan who has the credibility to build the character of the country in terms of talking about decency, family values, Islam etc.

He himself knows nothing about these virtues.

Instead of trying to give sermons that no one is taking seriously, Imran should simply be honest and state that the youth of Pakistan should look at the lifestyle of a young Imran Khan and do the complete opposite.

Then again, Imran’s has not covered himself in glory in his old age either, with the way he married two women with grown up children. It is not against Islam but it is not deemed appropriate in Pakistani culture, and no decent, respectful Pakistani man will do something like this.

Either way, Imran will not be taken seriously over this stuff. He is fighting a lost battle here. Every time he opens his mouth about these issues, it backfires.

His recent apology for rapists is just the latest goof-up in an ever growing list, so if he had any intelligence and common sense left, he would give up this nonsense and simply focus on governance issues.

The people of Pakistan did not vote for him to sit in the PM office and give lectures on morality, family values, Islam, and cheerlead for some fictional Turkish drama.

I like how you are now speaking on behalf of the people of Pakistan, those same people you have openly admitting to despising on here. Those people can vote Imran out in the next election and bring in whichever leader you think might be more modern in thought. Could it be Nawaz? Could it be the giggling ice cream Billy Boy from Sindh? I'm sure the women of Pakistan will really look on him with glances of admiration.

Regardless, IK's job is to talk to Pakistani people in language they understand. They'll relate to him far better than FU Martina Navratilova or her wife.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But it did not stop rape of women in ME where women dress as conservatively as possible.

Is rape more prominent in the ME than India?

 

[CricketCartoons]

But it did not stop rape of women in ME where women dress as conservatively as possible.

Who said that it will completely stop? There are many reasons it is done. So because it cannot be stopped completely, no action should be taken on the things one has under their control?

 

[Vegitto1]

Is rape more prominent in the ME than India?

You can never really know due to the fact that mostly it goes unreported. Taking Population and percentage into account, I am quite sure India trumps all.

 

[Last Monetarist]

For once, I sympathize with the PM given that the alt-left media, as usual, deliberately misquoted what he stated and twisted the interpretation to rile up the woke crowd. If anything, I find that a bonus.

 

[uberkoen]

Who said that it will completely stop? There are many reasons it is done. So because it cannot be stopped completely, no action should be taken on the things one has under their control?

Action should be taken against the culprits and not the victims.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Action should be taken against the culprits and not the victims.

Who said action will be taken against victims?

 

[uberkoen]

For once, I sympathize with the PM given that the alt-left media, as usual, deliberately misquoted what he stated and twisted the interpretation to rile up the woke crowd. If anything, I find that a bonus.

Yes newspapers all across the globe are misquoting him and only PTI fans know what he truly said/meant.

 

[uberkoen]

Who said action will be taken against victims?

Calling for Pardah and saying that rape happens because women don’t cover themselves is a comment directed at the victims and not at the culprits.

 

[emranabbas]

Any dress is modest if it covers most of your skin and is not body hugging. Not just skin, the contours of the body should also not be seen clearly.

Women in Pakistan are fully covered from head to toe

You won't see women in bikinis or shorts etc...

So how do you explain this?

Why women still get raped even though they are covered head to toe

How do you explain a child getting raped?

 

[MenInG]

Yes newspapers all across the globe are misquoting him and only PTI fans know what he truly said/meant.

Out of interest.

Did NY Times/Indian news channels actually sit and listen to what he said to callers?

 

[uberkoen]

Out of interest.

Did NY Times/Indian news channels actually sit and listen to what he said to callers?

I don’t work for those newspapers so can’t say but I’m sure that have translators and local reporters to verify the story

 

[CricketCartoons]

Women in Pakistan are fully covered from head to toe

You won't see women in bikinis or shorts etc...

So how do you explain this?

Why women still get raped even though they are covered head to toe

How do you explain a child getting raped?

Read my other posts in this thread. Don't want to sound like a broken record saying the same thing to different people.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Yes newspapers all across the globe are misquoting him and only PTI fans know what he truly said/meant.

Firstly, don't make assumptions about my political allegiances.

Anyone that has paid any attention to how the media works over the last four years would not have deferred to the tacit objectivity or integrity of the sector. It is part of the job description to read between the lines and promote simplistic narratives for the gallery.

Imran Khan is a clumsy orator who has always had a knack of making stupid and outlandish statements. However, in this case he's pandering to a domestic conservative audience and it's irrelevant what people outside of the country think. It's not something he has stated for the first time in his life either, it's been a favourite theme of his for the best part of a decade.

Criticizing politicians for what they say or, in this instance, are supposed to have said, is only a sport for the tedious-minded. In any case, words or empty political rhetoric carry no tangible value outside of a bubble.

 

[RajBan]

Is rape more prominent in the ME than India?

I don't know man. Point is if we are saying that woman should cover themselves completely (no skin show) to ensure that rapes get reduced, then there are certain flaws in that argument.

First and foremost there is no unbiased study that shows number of rape is proportional to the level of skin show.
Secondly even for the sake of debate if we agree that skin show results in rape, then the argument comes in why does woman only need to cover their bodies, why can't men cover their eyes as well.

My argument surely sounds ridiculous and I agree it is. The problem is when we try to justify ridiculous stuff with ridiculously biased and hollow solutions, it only leads to equally ridiculous counterarguments.

 

[emranabbas]

If it doesn't make sense to you, then nothing I will say will ever make sense to you. Take up more fruitful pursuits.

Ok so going by your posts rapist are only partially to blame it's the victims responsibility too stay indoors if they come outdoor then there is a chance the victim will get raped

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ok so going by your posts rapist are only partially to blame it's the victims responsibility too stay indoors if they come outdoor then there is a chance the victim will get raped

No, I never said that. But you are free to comprehend the way you like.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't know man. Point is if we are saying that woman should cover themselves completely (no skin show) to ensure that rapes get reduced, then there are certain flaws in that argument.

First and foremost there is no unbiased study that shows number of rape is proportional to the level of skin show.
Secondly even for the sake of debate if we agree that skin show results in rape, then the argument comes in why does woman only need to cover their bodies, why can't men cover their eyes as well.

My argument surely sounds ridiculous and I agree it is. The problem is when we try to justify ridiculous stuff with ridiculously biased and hollow solutions, it only leads to equally ridiculous counterarguments.

Is anyone arguing that rape gets reduced according to diminishing amount of skin shown? I think IK's statement was more based on drugs, sex and rock n' roll culture of the west. You are taking it off on another tangent which is somewhat blurring several different aspects together. I think better just to stick to what he said and focus on that.

 

[Nadeemp]

It’s insane what mental gymnastics people are doing here to defend the PM Statements . Shocking. Man even his x wife called him out on it.

 

[MenInG]

It seems like Rohail Hyatt's Twitter season has outraged more than just music fans. It all started when PM Imran Khan shared his stance on the rise of sexual violence cases in Pakistan. "In any society where vulgarity is prevalent, there are consequences," Khan had said. "The reason why our religion stresses on covering up your body and maintaining modesty is to avoid any such temptation. Not everyone has the willpower to avoid it."

Soon after he made these remarks, many celebrities came forward to condemn his ‘regressive’ take on a matter as grave as rape and called out the premier for his 'insensitive' remarks. However, among people who defended the PM’s stance, was none other than Coke Studio founder Rohail Hyatt who felt the statement had been taken out of context.

"I believe Imran Khan’s words have been taken out of context and a big ruckus is being created by the so-called champions of freedom and liberty,” Hyatt started a Twitter thread. “He’s clearly condemning rape and giving a message that going out of the boundaries of modesty invites trouble and who can deny this fact? He’s not saying it’s justified! As a leader, he’s simply speaking to us about the ground realities of what is around us. Yes, indeed there is a sickness out there and one can contest if the better solution is to target the oppressor as opposed to the oppressed."

The former Vital Signs founding member added, "But that’s not what was being addressed by him. As a father, I’d give the same advice to my child to be mindful of how you dress in our society. Not because I want to give in to the sickness, but because I care for the person I’m giving the advice to.”

He went on, "There’s a sad trend by a certain group to attack IK on all such matters labelling him as a ‘right-minded’ individual. I see him closer to the centre but to every leftist out there, even the centre is way too much to the right,” adding, "Likewise, to the extreme right, the centre is way to the left. Only the very neutral among us will appreciate the power of the centre. Isn’t this where the power of balance lies? In trying to practice neutrality, I see the tennis match between the two extremes all the time."

Hyatt feels both forces are extreme and need to be addressed accordingly. "They are both the same actually. Extremists! Both shout to kill the other and they both hate everything except their own ways. One wants to cover from head to toe and the other wants to strip down from head to toe as a display of their preferences. Modesty is not extreme. It’s a centred concept if one should want to contemplate the idea. I’d advise people to try to bring themselves to the middle ground and not get caught up with the play of either ‘extremists’. Just watch the mud fly by and duck when necessary."

The vital disagreement

Hyatt’s sentiments irked a lot of fans and some even considered his mindless support for the PM reason enough to give up on a childhood hero they once idealised.

"After cricketers, these comments show how even Pakistani musicians should not be given authority to elaborate what our social issues are and how we should live our lives," a user by the handle of Mavens of Mayhems shared. "All these men are too limited in their thinking to understand the impact of their implied words."

Another user, Naveed Nadeem, commented, "So why is history filled with examples of countless women being raped after wars? Victorious armies celebrating their win by raping women of conquered lands as men of their families were killed in war. Were those women immodest? Were they spreading vulgarity in society?"

Signs of more disagreement:

Hyatt, however, went on to respond to the backlash in another detailed thread. “In the influx of responses to my recent tweets, some were keen to know what this ‘middle ground’ is that I was referring to. I believe it's a place where judgements are replaced with reasoning. As long as you hold judgements over reasoning, you have an inner bias/tilt you need to address," he shared. "There's no set middle ground - because it’s circumstantial but to get to it, one has to self-correct their actions."

He went on to comment, "As an example, say one person prays, and another doesn’t. If you like the one who doesn’t, it’s probably because you’re tilting to that way of life yourself. If you like the one who does, you’re probably tilting towards that way of life. In the centre, neither matter. One realises through the reasoning that both persons play a very important part in the creation and complete the picture by being opposites."

The maestro then shared, "Judging either one of them is not our business. Understanding the reasons why they are a certain way helps one understand the Laws of Creation. Judgement without knowledge is blinding and usually a reflection of our own inner biases." Answering his own question, Rohail shared, "So to answer your question, the centre is a place where one is truly free. That part of the wheel remains at rest even when the ‘extreme’ edges spin. Can one stay here? Briefly, I believe but our biases keep springing up and to stay centred, one has to keep catching them and correcting them."

He concluded by taking reference from a Quranic verse. Rohail shared, "As for Judgements, the Holy Quran says “O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them, nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them.” (Qur’an 49:11). Key = 'Believed'!"

Celebs who disagreed with the PM:

Unlike Rohail, other celebs went on to share how rape has nothing do to with the rise in vulgarity.

"How about men who lack “willpower or strength” camouflaging their orthodox, patriarchal ideas instead of guiding women on their sartorial choices? Vulgarity isn’t few metres of clothes but deep-seated bigotry that wants to shackle women," actor Adnan Siddiqui penned.

Ayesha Omar said, "Four-month-old babies are being raped. Children are being raped. Burqa clad women being raped. Animals being raped. Transgenders being raped. Boys being raped. Sisters/daughters being raped. It’s about power games/oppression/domination/violence."

"The outrage and discourse are about victim-blaming, claims that not every man has the 'willpower' to contain his urge for sexual violence, and linking rape to temptation & not a violent display of power/oppression," shared Osman Khalid Butt, adding, "Fix the laws. Police the streets; make them safe. Bring all perpetrators to justice."

The Balu Mahi star went on to add, "There are at least 11 rape cases reported in Pakistan daily with over 22,000 cases reported to police across the country in the last 6 yrs (official statistics). Only 77 accused have been convicted which comprise 0.3% of the total figure."

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2293893/rohail-hyatts-vital-support-for-pm-imran-irks-many

 

[guna]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This deserves a big F U Imran. You really do know better than this, but clearly you are not better than this…shame on you. <a href="https://t.co/2dUS8cgbSq">https://t.co/2dUS8cgbSq</a></p>— Martina Navratilova (@Martina) <a href="https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1380210580053721093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's pretty rash from Navratilova.

 

[Nadeemp]

I bet 99.99 percent who were raped in Pakistan were not dressed immodestly ( according to Pakistani standards ). One reason for rape is sexual frustration. No dating, no mixing of the sexes. You can’t suppress biology.

 

[guna]

Is rape more prominent in the ME than India?

I am sure the incidents will be of same rate. However, in Islamic countries, it is pretty hard to prove rape. You need 4 witnesses to prove it.

 

[golagunda]

I bet 99.99 percent who were raped in Pakistan were not dressed immodestly ( according to Pakistani standards ). One reason for rape is sexual frustration. No dating, no mixing of the sexes. You can’t suppress biology.

This is such an ironic statement because you are practically using the same logic that IK used. Just like immodest clothing doesn't lead to rape, lack of dating also doesn't lead to rape. A huge majority of Pakistanis dont date or have premarital sex. That doesn't turn all of them into rapists. If according to you, biology cant be suppressed then you should actually agree with IK.

 

[RajBan]

Is anyone arguing that rape gets reduced according to diminishing amount of skin shown? I think IK's statement was more based on drugs, sex and rock n' roll culture of the west. You are taking it off on another tangent which is somewhat blurring several different aspects together. I think better just to stick to what he said and focus on that.

Forget what IK said for a moment. Check what some posters are saying. Our politicians are not god send. They are in many ways reflection of the masses. If the mass is ignorant , then it's a big concern.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The funny thing is the news cycle has already moved on and IK will not be phased by any of this nonsense.

What did he actually say? You can watch the whole session on Youtube and what he said resonates amongst Pakistanis.

He was talking about society in general. Especially pakistani society. He was talking of bringing in voert sexualisation into vulnerable societies where law and order is poor and where conservative religious values are prominent. But westerners will not understand this point as they dont have a similar frame of reference.
So the Indian **** media pick it up and lo and behold the Anti pakistan media in the US and the west pick it up. They will never report anything positive about pakistan ever.

Some of the responses in this thread are so laughable that it seems like IK has rattled a dog cage. lol

Anyway, it's at time time stamp 2:07.

He has indicated the potential side effects on a society where vulgarity (fahaashi) becomes rampant.

 

[Nadeemp]

This is such an ironic statement because you are practically using the same logic that IK used. Just like immodest clothing doesn't lead to rape, lack of dating also doesn't lead to rape. A huge majority of Pakistanis dont date or have premarital sex. That doesn't turn all of them into rapists. If according to you, biology cant be suppressed then you should actually agree with IK.

I think you are totally misrepresenting what I am saying. If Pakistan was an open society and there were no restrictions on them and they moved about as theY wished just like men , then men would be used to seeing women. You have to realize most of Pakistan is still rural. But even in most parts of big cities you hardly see women walking around. I am not talking about where all the rich live. I was in Peshawar few years back and the woman I was with was stared at and “accidentally touched or bumped into” multiple times in the market . I am fine with premarital sex but Am sure many people are not which is ok. But mixing of the sexes freely should be allowed. Will teach men how to act around women.

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan has been facing severe criticism for the past couple of days, with many people accusing him of victim-blaming women who have experienced rape and sexual violence.

What happened?
The controversy arose from a public question and answer session hosted by the prime minister on Sunday, April 3.

The prime minister took calls from the general public and answered their questions on important matters. These included corruption, unemployment, inflation, the coronavirus and Pakistan’s economic conditions.

During the session, Arshad Khan from Latifabad, Hyderabad, called the prime minister to ask him what “you and your team” have done about the rising incidence of sexual violence and rape, especially targeting minors.

The caller asked PM Imran Khan if he was satisfied with the steps his government had taken to curb incidences of sexual violence and why no culprit had been hanged publicly for the offence yet.

“Because perpetrators of these crimes do not deserve any sort of relaxation,” concluded the caller.

In response, PM Imran Khan said: “Arshad, you’ve talked about an issue which gives me a lot of pain.”

“[Sexual] crimes against children and [the crime of] rape against women reported in newspapers — they are very, I mean — [they] are not even 1% of what happens,” he said, alluding to the fact that very few of these violent crimes are actually being reported.

“This [the incidence of sexual violence] has rapidly spread in society. It was always present, but previously people did not talk about it [openly] due to shame. Now, more people are having a conversation about it,” he said.

“Hence we should not be mistaken [about the number of cases] — a lot of such cases happen, [of] sexual violence against children and rape," he said, remarking on the severity of the malaise.

'Rape cannot be tackled through legislation alone'
"I want to say one thing about this: just like corruption, you cannot eliminate this simply by making laws.

“We have introduced very strict laws. The rape ordinance that our government has introduced contains very harsh penalties against those who sexually assault children and commit rape. It [the ordinance] is very stern, but it alone will not be enough to fight [sexual violence]. Society as a whole will have to [play a part],” he stressed.

The prime minister said many battles are fought by society together, adding that a government can introduce laws but if people don’t obey them, they will not serve any purpose.

“How many people can you arrest?” he asked.

“It is society which has to decide that this is [a cause of our] destruction,” he said.

Rape tied to 'fahaashi' — vulgarity
The prime minister then addressed the reasons which, according to him, were behind the rising cases of rape and sexual violence in Pakistan.

“If you keep on increasing ‘fahaashi’ (vulgarity) in any society, it will ultimately have an [adverse] effect,” he said.

“Why does our religion forbid [vulgarity] — the whole concept of pardah, why is it there? So that there is no temptation in society,” he added.

This comment, in particular, was widely interpreted as the prime minister tying rape to how women dress — whereas the term 'pardah' is understood in Islam to refer to both men and women guarding their modesty.

'Higher rapes due to proliferation of pornography'
“Not every person has the strength or willpower," the prime minister continued. "If you keep on increasing fahaashi in society and not take precautions against it, it will have effects."

The prime minister went on to recall his own life experiences in the UK, saying that English society when he first went there was quite different from what it has become now.

“[The lifestyle of] sex, drugs and rock n roll was just starting out. Gradually, we saw that fahaashi increased there — at first there used to be adults-only films, and the content of those adults-only films later started spreading everywhere and got space on the [mainstream] media as well,” he said.

“As a result, it had a direct impact on their family system,” he continued. “When I went there, one couple in 17 used to get divorced. Today, the divorce rate [in the UK] has reached 70% and it is on the rise,” the premier stated.

He also complained that ever since Bollywood started “adopting” Hollywood, "the same situation is developing in India as well".

“Delhi is known as the rape capital,” he said.

The prime minister said there are a lot of decisions that society, as a whole, has to ponder upon.

“There are a lot of things that we [the government] cannot control, such as films [produced in] other countries — Bollywood or Hollywood movies that you see on the TV,” he said.

He recalled how Bollywood films had "drastically changed" from what they were in those days to “what they have become now”.

“It is bound to have an effect,” he said. “What our religion tells us — this concept of pardah — it had some philosophy behind it,” added PM Imran Khan.

He explained that the philosophy behind pardah is “to save the family system and protect society from these things”.

Turning his attention to what he saw was a related issue, the premier said mobile phones were causing "the biggest damage" in society.

“Children now have access to material these days that they never had before in human history,” he said. “Hence we need a holistic approach [to tackle this problem].”

“What I am trying to say is that we [the government] will make laws against this [sexual violence], but we all have to [collectively] fight it. It is a cancer spreading among our society on a very large scale and is being reported on a very small level. We all have to battle against it,” he concluded.

Controversy on social media following PM Imran's comments
Following the prime minister's remarks, his video clip addressing
rising incidences of rape went viral on social media, with many saying the prime minister had blamed women and the way they dress for inciting rapes.

A number of international news outlets, such as BBC News, Al-Jazeera, CBS News, The Indian Express, Sky News and The Daily Mail and others took headlines that suggested that the premier had linked a rise in rape cases across Pakistan to how women dress.

"Pakistan’s Prime Minister Links Rape to ‘Vulgarity’ and How Women Dress," read the headline of the New York Times (NYT).

"Outrage after Pakistan PM Imran Khan links rise in rape cases with how women dress," said Indian news website Scroll's headline.

"Imran Khan criticised for rape 'victim blaming'," read BBC News's headline.

"Outrage after Pakistan’s Imran Khan links rape to how women dress," stated Al-Jazeera's headline.

Did Prime Minister Imran Khan state that 'rape happens because of the way women dress'?
Technically, no he did not. Prime Minister Imran Khan did not say that rapes occur because women dress in a particular way.

However, he did explicitly tie the increasing incidence of rape and sexual violence to fahaashi (which he believes creates the temptation to commit crime), and he did hold up the idea of pardah as a means to eliminate temptation.

In themselves, both fahaashi (which translates roughly to vulgarity or moral depravity) and pardah (which translates to veiling or protecting oneself) are not concepts that, in their classical sense, apply to a particular gender per se. They are catch-all terms that can refer to a broad range of concepts depending on varying social and cultural perspectives.

For example, it is widely understood that the concept of 'guarding one's modesty' (observing pardah) in the Islamic worldview — which the prime minister seemed to be alluding to when he spoke with reference to "our religion" — is equally applicable on both men and women.

Secondly, the prime minister's subsequent exposition on fahaashi during the conversation seems to indicate that he was referring more broadly to moral decline (he specifically referenced the era of 'sex, drugs and rock and roll' and wider availability of pornography in the digital age, for example, rather than women dressing in a particular way).

It seems, therefore, that the controversy arose in the translation of these nuanced concepts from one language to another, especially when he was quoted as saying that "rapes occur because of the way women dress" — a phrase which is highly loaded with negative meaning amidst a global reawakening on women's rights.

'The Imran I know'
The prime minister's ex-wife, Jemima Goldsmith — British screenwriter, television, film and documentary producer — had reacted strongly to reports of her former husband's remarks on the rape controversy.

She quoted a Daily Mail article on the matter in her reaction tweet.

She said she hoped the comments by the prime minister were mistranslated, disclosing that this did not sound like "the Imran I know".


According to Goldsmith, when she was married to the cricketer-turned-politician, he would say: "Put a veil on the man's eyes, not on the woman".

Where does PM Imran Khan stand on women's rights?
Goldsmith's latter comment prompted us to revisit the prime minister's positions on women's rights in the past.

From the record, it seems the prime minister has spoken strongly in favour of women's right to inheritance and education, as well as the need to empower them on several instances in the past.

On November 22, 2014, he had said during a PTI rally: "We will back our women until they don't get their rights and their biggest right is to seek education".

On September 1, 2014, he said: "PTI is the first party in Pakistan's history that introduced women to Pakistani politics. We stood for their rights and empowered them. This is the first party in Pakistan to do so."


On November 25, 2014, he said: "In both Shariah and the Constitution, it is their [women's] right to inherit property. They are not given that right in rural areas and even in cities."

"We have to instill the passion so that our women can stand up for their rights. You will stand up for your rights now — you will not ask for them, you will take them by force," he had said.

On September 9, during a public rally, he had said: "We are fighting for the women who are not provided their due rights. The women who are oppressed and can not raise their voices against it."

Even during the conversation in question, the prime minister took great pains to communicate that sexual violence is a much more serious and prevalent issue than is commonly understood, and that it is an issue that he feels strongly about.

Could the prime minister, therefore, have just handled the question poorly, or is his understanding of the issue actually informed by some problematic opinions?

That is a moot point — but it's clear that his answer has left a lot to be desired and ended up sending some very wrong signals across.

So far, the prime minister has not commented on the controversy triggered due to his remarks.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/344372-fact-check-did-pm-imran-khan-link-rape-to-how-women-dress

 

[MenInG]

Have deleted posts referring to pornography etc - we will not allow this discussion to meander in that direction.

 

[MenInG]

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[Adil_94]

Pretty poor comments from Imran . When it comes to rape it cant be blamed on oh womens dress. It depends on how men are socialised to view women and their bodies. In Pakistan men are often taught that a womans whole worth in how modest she appears in dress n anyone who deviates from that is then seen as someone of loose morals and "asking for it".

Even when women are covered according to social convention u get guys creepily staring and ogling at them if theyre walking in a bazaar or busy area.

These guys would see a woman wearing a t shirt and jeans as being immodest never mind how their minds would explode seeing woman in a bikini.

Growing up in Western countries u are used to seeing women wear all sorts of things and this idea of modesty culture isnt there so if u see a woman wearing a skirt or bikini u wont feel the need to ogle.

Rather than go for this simplistic women should cover up angle when u see that women are harrassed and raped even if they meet the modesty requirements in Pak and a lot of Muslim countries.

What needs to be done is a much better education for boys at a younger age and teach them on ideas of consent and that a womans worth doesnt lie in her modesty or honour.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: The PPP has asked Prime Minister Imran Khan to apologise over his recent statement about an increase in rape cases because of fahashi (vulgarity).

“The PPP demands an apology from Imran Khan for his statement which had hurt people in Pakistan and around the world as his statement is not only condemnable but has also caused us great embarrassment at the international level,” PPP Parliamentarians Secretary Information Shazia Marri said in a statement on Friday.

Marri said the premier's "irrepressible statement had enraged the people of Pakistan and poured salt over the wounds of innocent victims of rape crimes and their families".

PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has also taken serious notice of such an "irresponsible and insensitive" statement by the country’s premier, she said.

Minors as young as four and five years of age are being raped in the country and such barbarianism is being justified by the Prime Minister himself, she said.

“Imran Niazi has done enough damage to the country’s economy and now he is acting as a rape apologist,” Marri said.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/344499-pp...for-comments-on-why-rape-cases-are-increasing

 

[saeedhk]

Shahzeb Khanzada brings up very good points and schools the PM on his terrible remarks.

 

[MenInG]

Shahzeb Khanzada brings up very good points and schools the PM on his terrible remarks.

Anyone can make points - but why dont they speak to the PM about it and confront him on that?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Some of the responses in this thread are so laughable that it seems like IK has rattled a dog cage. lol

Anyway, it's at time time stamp 2:07.

He has indicated the potential side effects on a society where vulgarity (fahaashi) becomes rampant.

The whole beauty of populism is that these dog whistles can be used to stir emotions and vicious invective on both sides of the aisle. Imran Khan is the consummate populist and definitely knows what he's doing. This message plays well with his electorate, while bringing out most of the people he hates now in hives.

The PM is definitely learning on the job.

 

[saeedhk]

Anyone can make points - but why dont they speak to the PM about it and confront him on that?

PM Imran is probably too scared to face non-friendly journalists. He likes to take questions from Ary journalists who ask him lovey dovey questions.

Given Imran’s cowardice, I feel he will not come onto the media for at least a week.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pretty poor comments from Imran . When it comes to rape it cant be blamed on oh womens dress. It depends on how men are socialised to view women and their bodies. In Pakistan men are often taught that a womans whole worth in how modest she appears in dress n anyone who deviates from that is then seen as someone of loose morals and "asking for it".

Even when women are covered according to social convention u get guys creepily staring and ogling at them if theyre walking in a bazaar or busy area.

These guys would see a woman wearing a t shirt and jeans as being immodest never mind how their minds would explode seeing woman in a bikini.

Growing up in Western countries u are used to seeing women wear all sorts of things and this idea of modesty culture isnt there so if u see a woman wearing a skirt or bikini u wont feel the need to ogle.

Rather than go for this simplistic women should cover up angle when u see that women are harrassed and raped even if they meet the modesty requirements in Pak and a lot of Muslim countries.

What needs to be done is a much better education for boys at a younger age and teach them on ideas of consent and that a womans worth doesnt lie in her modesty or honour.

Men still ogle in the west, they just do it more discreetly. A sideways glance when the woman is not looking or her attention is elsewhere is appreciated far more than the brazen staring you might get in Pakistan. I feel this sort of decorum is what is missing, and that will only come when Pakistan does away with this idea of covering up and dressing modestly. Once men get used to the culture of polite viewing rather than gawping, that will bring Pakistan up to date. But would be some way off yet I imagine.

 

[Ryw]

All major media outlets are left wing hardcore feminists, they are twisting and spreading their hidden agenda , Imran Khan is right. Feminists media outlets writers and admins are retweeting fabricated statement and sharing everywhere to gain their fake sympathy.

 

[The_KING]

Imran Khan is a fool for saying this nonsense, but it isn't surprising as he is a Pakistani man and I have heard so many Pakistanis spout this complete nonsense. No man has any right to rape, sexually assault a woman, regardless of what the woman is wearing. A woman could be naked and that still doesn't mean that she deserves to be raped. Besides, women in Pakistan dress modestly. I have never seen any woman in Pakistan roam around the streets in bikinis or tiny shorts. Unless, if people like IK think that any woman not wearing dupatta or burka is dressed immodestly.

Instead of telling women to dress 'modestly' and victim shaming them, people should be questing men for their disgusting behaviour. The reality is that most men are disgusting sex filled losers, who have no respect for women. The reason why that is the case is most parents do not raise their sons properly. Girls are always told not to go out late at night. But are boys ever taught to respect girls and women? NO! Instead of telling girls to take precaution, maybe parents ought to raise their boys to treat women with respect.

And it's funny of IK to spout such old fashioned nonsense. We all know how he lived his life in the 70s and 80s, when he was a cricketer. And now he wants to act all holy and religious all of a sudden. Absolute joker!

 

[Giannis]

At first I believed the controversy but then I watched the entire clip and he never blamed women on they dressed, trust the globalist media on spreading fake news and misquoting people.

 

[Ryw]

At first I believed the controversy but then I watched the entire clip and he never blamed women on they dressed, trust the globalist media on spreading fake news and misquoting people.

Some liberals are doing the same in this thread but these tactics may work in Western world where feminists and liberals create fake news to fulfil their false agenda not against Imran Khan not in Pakistan..

 

[leg-side-flick]

Sorry but this is a question based on wrong understanding. The assaulters come from a spectrum. Some will assault no matter what, some only when they know the victim will remain quiet, some when seeing immodest dress, some when part of a group and would never do it when alone. So dressing modestly will solve a *part* of the problem, not the whole problem. Why can't people get this simple thing?

I agree with the advice given, my guess is we probably would give the same advice to our own family members

However, when a public figure advises women to dress APPROPRIATELY, it's seen as a step towards curbing women's freedom, thats why probably they fight this advise so harshly even though it's a logical and correct advise....

 

[Jadz]

Agreed. Definitely this is irrefutable; however the philosophy in the underlined part above, even though true, but unfortunately we don't seem to have the other side of the coin. Where is Utopia we are yearning for?

I notice that
Societies that do NOT dehumanize women,
Societies that do NOT control them through religion
Societies that do NOT control them through tradition,
Societies that do NOT control them through custom,
Societies that do NOT control them through ritual,
Societies that do NOT abuse their rights,
and societies where women are not deemed worthless

STILL HAVE THE RAPE AND PEDOPHLIA problem just as rampant as many other countries. Physical and domestic violence against women do not present any different picture.

Here is the sex offender registry map of a midwestern City in USA where each marker represents a convicted sex offender.

This is roughly a 10 square miles area of a metropolitan city of United States and I suppose it does not look a whole lot different from any other metropolitan city in America.



So you tell me, what works? Sweden and Japan seem to have a pretty high rape sex offender statistics.


I think the gist and take away from OP and this entire thread is that perpetrator (which are mostly men) MUST be dealt with an iron fist, and a suggestion to females is, enjoy your freedom, be mindful that it's good to use common sense and take wise decisions in how do you present themselves in the open public.

Even though we must always strive to improve our societies but the world will perhaps never be free of scumbags no matter what kind of a society and no matter what kind of laws we as humans achieve to put in place.

Your reply is very thought-provoking - thank you.

My post was focused upon the Muslim world, because there is no reason, justification or rationale for women to be mistreated given the broad spectrum of rights afforded them by Islam.

'..a suggestion to females is, enjoy your freedom, be mindful that it's good to use common sense and take wise decisions in how do you present themselves in the open public. ..'

Regarding the above: I have always presented myself in the manner Islam requires of women, namely, dressed modestly, head/hair covered and behaved with decorum. Yet, I have still been subjected to harassment by men (Muslims, Pakistanis, Indians, Arabs, etc). As this is very personal, I do not wish to divulge the nature of this harassment.

I do not dispute your assertion that abuse of women occurs in the Western - or other parts of - the world. However, I do question your assertion that women are not dehumanized in the regions you enumerated, they are and always have been. Whether through religion, tradition or entertainment media - or new-found ideologies that demand women become more like men (in order to survive and succeed in a 'man's world') in terms of career, sports, politics, etc - women are dehumanized, objectified and demeaned.

Narratives that attribute blame to women for the violence inflicted upon them are largely created, shaped and formed by men - as they hold the levers of power in virtually all sectors of public and private life. However, there is absolutely no doubt that some women dress and behave in a consciously provocative way, but this does not excuse rape or any other form of assault.

In brief, it is the responsibility of both men and women to ensure the latter are not mistreated. This is best achieved through strengthening societies through education and robust justice systems that punish, to the fullest extent of the law, rapists and paedophiles.

 

[topspin]

IK has built up a reputation of all these brain fades he's had. When you consider the fact that he once called OBL a shaheed and also claimed that Germany + Japan share a border, this is kind of nonsense doesn't surprise me anymore.

What I don't understand how it has come to this for someone who is an Oxford graduate, well travelled and has had the life experience that most men would die for. If someone could explain this to me I would be grateful.

He'll always be my cricketing hero but as a politician he's been a let down. Should of stuck with cricket.

 

[Lego20]

Imran's Lack of political experience showing here. I do believe he meant well and was not being sexist. If parents advise their daughters to dress modestly, that is not being rapist sympathizers. It is just being safe like all things around - wearing helmets, seat belts etc. These measures are not meant to reason about who or where the blame/fault lies.

 

[Nadeemp]

Imran's Lack of political experience showing here. I do believe he meant well and was not being sexist. If parents advise their daughters to dress modestly, that is not being rapist sympathizers. It is just being safe like all things around - wearing helmets, seat belts etc. These measures are not meant to reason about who or where the blame/fault lies.

I have to disagree. What he said and implied is horrendous . Even his x wife called him out on it.

 

[MenInG]

Special Representative to Prime Minister on Religious Affairs Hafiz Muhmmad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi has come to Premier Imran Khan’s rescue after the latter facied backlash over linking vulgarity to rape.

Addressing a news conference on Sunday, he said that some segments of the society launched a baseless campaign against the premier by angling his statement and attempted to show as if PM Imran had committed a crime.

Last Sunday, PM Imran, on a TV session, blamed fahashi (vulgarity) as the root cause of the surge in rape cases and sexual violence in Pakistan.

Soon after his comments, there was an uproar on social media. Many called out the prime minister for his 'insensitive' remarks.

Among other critics Jemima Goldsmith, former wife of PM Imran, had also criticised him after he blamed women for their "inappropriate" dress for a rise in sexual harassment and rape cases.

Taking to Twitter, Jemima said that she was hoping that the remarks were "misquotation" or "mistranslation".

"The Imran I knew used to say, 'Put a veil on the man's eyes not on the woman.'," she added.

Tahir Ashrafi said that Premier Imran is head of an Islamic democratic country and he rightly declared vulgarity as a major cause of sexual assault or rape.

The prime minister did not declare woman responsible for rape, he said, adding that some elements elaborated the stance of the prime minister incorrectly and tried to portray that PM Imran is against women.

The PM’s aide said that American think tanks had already said that vulgarity is the reason of rape and the Islamic world also supported the stance.

Also read: PM Imran's 'insensitive' views on rape has Twitter in shock and anger

He said that Muslims would practice their religious duties under the SOPs during the upcoming holy month of Ramazan, adding that some political friends after failing in their sit-in or long-march, alleging the government that it would shut down mosques during the holy month.

Ashrafi made it clear that the government is not going to shutdown any mosque or Madrassa.

He said that citizens of 60 years of age could offer their prayer in mosques, adding that the age limit for offering prayers in mosques was 50 years in the last Ramazan.

He said that registration of maddaris or mosques had not been cancelled and it is still continue in the ministry of education.

He said the credit would go to the government if mosques remained open during Ramazan.

The PM’s aide went on to say that no wrong practice would be made after the Waqf Imlaak Act. He said that it is the first time that the meeting of Ruet-e-Hilal Committee would be held in Peshawar, adding that all ulema are in contact in this regard and discussion with Religious Minister Noorul Haq Qadri, Federal Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry and Chairman Ruet-e-Hilal Committee is in progress.

This year, he said the entire nation would observe Ramazan and Eid on the same day. He appealed to the traders to cut off their 50 per cent profit during the holy month so that poor segment of society could be benefitted.

The government and the court had fixed the prices of sugar, otherwise, it could go up to Rs150 per kilogramme, he added.

Earlier, in an interview with a local channel, PM Imran had said that there was a rapid spread of ‘indecency’ in the world.

“We have an advantage over other developed countries in the world. We have a family system that has not been touched by indecent influences. Look at Bollywood, look at the difference in their films now and those 40 years back. The indecency has grown to such exponential levels that Delhi has become the rape capital of the world,” he had commented.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/229426...ue-amid-backlash-on-linking-vulgarity-to-rape

 

[Robert]

Imran Khan is a fool for saying this nonsense, but it isn't surprising as he is a Pakistani man and I have heard so many Pakistanis spout this complete nonsense. No man has any right to rape, sexually assault a woman, regardless of what the woman is wearing. A woman could be naked and that still doesn't mean that she deserves to be raped. Besides, women in Pakistan dress modestly. I have never seen any woman in Pakistan roam around the streets in bikinis or tiny shorts. Unless, if people like IK think that any woman not wearing dupatta or burka is dressed immodestly.

Instead of telling women to dress 'modestly' and victim shaming them, people should be questing men for their disgusting behaviour. The reality is that most men are disgusting sex filled losers, who have no respect for women. The reason why that is the case is most parents do not raise their sons properly. Girls are always told not to go out late at night. But are boys ever taught to respect girls and women? NO! Instead of telling girls to take precaution, maybe parents ought to raise their boys to treat women with respect.

And it's funny of IK to spout such old fashioned nonsense. We all know how he lived his life in the 70s and 80s, when he was a cricketer. And now he wants to act all holy and religious all of a sudden. Absolute joker!

Yep. As a young man he was very happy to chase Western women in short skirts at every opportunity. But now he wants the next generation daughters to cover up for “protection”.

 

[uberkoen]

Chakwal: Priest apprehended for raping, filming various child students over the course of last 3 years

A priest of a local mosque whose name hasn’t been released to media was arrested on 11th April when the family of his recent abuse viticm, a 9-year-old girl, pressed charges against him. He is said to have an accomplice who filmed his heinous crimes for selling them to child porn rings & dark web. Victims who’ve come forward till now include 4 minor girls & a boy. Consequently, two videos were found in his cell phone’s memory card. Police suspect there are at least 20 more hidden in other digital storages from the initial confession of accused’s accomplice. They are trying to recover them.

The rampant child abuse is a constant source of worry for the country of 224 million, as it sees an unprecedented rise of such cases in 2021 compared to yesteryears. There have been 2000 registered in just first 4 months compared to last year’s 1489 in first 6 months.

Source: https://frontpage.pk/t/chakwal-prie...students-over-the-course-of-last-3-years/3284

So Mr. Prime Minister, were these children dressed inappropriately and the man couldn't control his temptation?

 

[CricketCartoons]

So Mr. Prime Minister, were these children dressed inappropriately and the man couldn't control his temptation?

Yes because the death of people who wear helmets is a good argument to not wear helmets.

 

[Indiafan]

Is the Prime Minister of the country saying he would attack women based on their dress and giving a ready made excuse to would be rapists? Hey, even the Prime Minister said guys cannot control themselves, so how can you blame me? - would not be a bad defense in court.

 

[Ryw]

So Mr. Prime Minister, were these children dressed inappropriately and the man couldn't control his temptation?

O come on Imran Khan is not to blame for everything, these pedos are everywhere including Sweden and other first world countries. Imran Khan s statement and pedophilia are two different topics, so dont mix them to prove your hidden agenda. #himtoo

 

[uberkoen]

O come on Imran Khan is not to blame for everything, these pedos are everywhere including Sweden and other first world countries. Imran Khan s statement and pedophilia are two different topics, so dont mix them to prove your hidden agenda. #himtoo

Pedo's are everywhere indeed but we don't have rape apologists as PM's in every country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is the Prime Minister of the country saying he would attack women based on their dress and giving a ready made excuse to would be rapists? Hey, even the Prime Minister said guys cannot control themselves, so how can you blame me? - would not be a bad defense in court.

Yes that's what he's saying.

 

[Robert]

Imran's Lack of political experience showing here. I do believe he meant well and was not being sexist. If parents advise their daughters to dress modestly, that is not being rapist sympathizers. It is just being safe like all things around - wearing helmets, seat belts etc. These measures are not meant to reason about who or where the blame/fault lies.

Rapists don’t care what their victims wear. It’s not about sex for them, it’s about exerting power.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Your reply is very thought-provoking - thank you.

My post was focused upon the Muslim world, because there is no reason, justification or rationale for women to be mistreated given the broad spectrum of rights afforded them by Islam.

'..a suggestion to females is, enjoy your freedom, be mindful that it's good to use common sense and take wise decisions in how do you present themselves in the open public. ..'

Regarding the above: I have always presented myself in the manner Islam requires of women, namely, dressed modestly, head/hair covered and behaved with decorum. Yet, I have still been subjected to harassment by men (Muslims, Pakistanis, Indians, Arabs, etc). As this is very personal, I do not wish to divulge the nature of this harassment.

I do not dispute your assertion that abuse of women occurs in the Western - or other parts of - the world. However, I do question your assertion that women are not dehumanized in the regions you enumerated, they are and always have been. Whether through religion, tradition or entertainment media - or new-found ideologies that demand women become more like men (in order to survive and succeed in a 'man's world') in terms of career, sports, politics, etc - women are dehumanized, objectified and demeaned.

Narratives that attribute blame to women for the violence inflicted upon them are largely created, shaped and formed by men - as they hold the levers of power in virtually all sectors of public and private life. However, there is absolutely no doubt that some women dress and behave in a consciously provocative way, but this does not excuse rape or any other form of assault.

In brief, it is the responsibility of both men and women to ensure the latter are not mistreated. This is best achieved through strengthening societies through education and robust justice systems that punish, to the fullest extent of the law, rapists and paedophiles.

The bold above is where we have a common ground, and I think we all should. The problem can be reduced greatly if both camps work together against this evil.


And the underlined part above, does not have anything to argue against; however, when we look at it from the theological point of view, we notice that faith does not only provide guidance but it also puts in place jurisprudence.

Think about it, if religious guidance was enough, then Islamic doctrine would not suggest any punishment to certain criminals in the Muslim world. Which means, it's deeply rooted in the collective human psychology that some people WILL cross the boundaries.
And hence there is a concept of punishment and consequences of your actions.

And more over, Islamic doctrine makes it perfect. It already knows that even though there is guidance, and there are punishments and warnings clearly put in place in a society, some criminals will STILL get away with it - and hence, there is a concept of "The day of ultimate judgement" when justice will be fully served, and they won't have a place to hide and no where to run.

It also happens out side of religious doctrine.
Take the example of traffic situation.
There are traffic laws in place, and there are consequences in place, yet some drivers WILL break the traffic laws.

So even though you may be driving by following all the rules, you are still not guaranteed to be 100% safe on the road because someone else may break the law. However, you have done your part so you are good and not be blamed for anything.

Perhaps same goes with how do you dress and present yourself in the public.
When you have followed the religious guidance in this scenario, and have done your part by wearing modest clothing, it may not guarantee you a 100% safety from the lust lurking in the eyes of some men, BUT, you are off the hook when a nasty event happens. You have done your part, so you are golden!
Rest is up to THE ONE who will render the ultimate justice.